/lit/ - Literature

those are characters speaking, not him, you fucking retard

>>12275124
dialogue from NYC Jews

>>12275124
he's a boomer so he probably loves niggers. all boomers love niggers.

Oh gee, and here I was thinking that the colonial segments in V. and GR were on the pro-colonist side.
No fucking shit hombre, he was a literal hippy.

He's a proto-SJW proto-BLM degenerate decadent old money Ivy league philo-semitic anglo-zionist boomer who writes about Negroes sticking their fingers up white people's anuses, pedophilia, and authority figures eating turds, among other things. It's pretty obvious from everything he's ever written that he is anti-authoritarian, hyper-egalitarian, and has some interest in anarchism, though he ultimately doubts the efficacy of all ideologies and attempts at transcendence like socialism, leaving him, ta-da, a tacit liberal like everybody else in his caste.

Basically, for all his paranoia and insight, he's a NYT-reading Democrat-leaning creative professional with a kid in an expensive private school and an apartment on the Upper West Side. He fetishizes the 60s, pop music and science, hates the Man, and loves television and marijuana

It just goes to show that politics has virtually nothing to do with intellect or artistic skill. If a genius like Tom Pynchon is corruptible, everybody is. He's hardly the first smart person to get taken in by a stupid social trend, but he is one of the most disappointing because he's such a self-aware and intelligent person.

>>12275146
thoughts on the gabriel ice character in Bleeding Edge?

>>12275135
Hmm... what?

>>12275146
I feel like I have already read this somewhere. Is it le ebin copypasta ?

Anyway, good post, but who is The Man ?

>>12275124
So what, America is a Communist country.

>>12275124
I dunno, sounds fairly close to the anti-globalist patter some of /pol/ spreads.
The only thing needed to change /pol/ into full blown commies is to replace (((jews))) with (((capitalists))) anyway.

>>12275146
Fuck this hurts

>>12275124
>a hippie is left wing! coming up next, a trumptard is right wing, more at 11!

>>12275124
Didn’t he name the Jew in this book though?

pynchon is nazbol

>>12275146
Or that if ur smart that is the conclusion u come to

Sounds like common sense to me. It's nothing to leftist about it.

What is said there is not at all incompatible with far right/reactionary politics, and in fact could easily be far-right commentary.

>>12275124
>"Twin Buddhas, twin towers, interesting coincidence, so what."

imagine not getting the obvious Freemason symbolism of 9/11, was I sold a bill of goods on Pynchon?

>>12277096
Yes, Israel did 9/11 (confirmed).

>>12277096
https://youtu.be/fA0yAcfnuuI

So what if instead of Barneyfag bot, there was a bot that posted that
>nobody is talking about /pol/ except you
comment on posts that reference /pol/

Yeah most people know hes a liberal boomer wtf is your point op? This passage isnt even entirely leftwing

he is OBVIOUSLY a leftist

you have to have a fucking brain tumor to do the mental gymnastics required to make pynchon a right winger

pynchon’s dialogue is so fucking bad lol

>>12275146
Conservatives are statistically dumber than liberals

>>12275124
>resources will never run out
Yeah, let's forget about the offer and demand law being the core of capitalism

We have literally barely scratched the surface when it comes to resources.

>>12279585
But are demonstrably better administrators.

>>12279585
imagine thinking that your intelligence is measured by which ideology you belong to, how deluded, i pity you anon

>>12279585
Isnt it usually by like 5 iq points or something? Doesnt seem that meaningful and iq is mostly a meme anyway

>>12275146
>proto-SJW proto-BLM degenerate decadent old money Ivy league philo-semitic anglo-zionist boomer
Man how many words can you people chain together, my sides are in fucking orbit

>>12279585
Historically that's true, but it's changed in recent history, at least among Americans

>>12279554
He's no right-winger but also he's honestly not that leftist, at least in economic terms. Clearly not a Marxist. Look at the conversation Tchitcherine has in Gravity's Rainbow about socialism, it's fairly skeptical. I think Pynchon is fascinated by capitalism and both fears and admires the way it manipulates societies. He wants to temper the beast and recognizes the chaos and misery it's responsible for, he admires attempts at escape, but he also doesn't quite believe that alternatives are possible. I would categorize him as a progressive liberal who reluctantly admits the overwhelming ability of capitalism to trickle into every aspect of one's community and life, while also recognizing the evil and destruction it creates. I would put him somewhere around the progressive wing of the Democratic party

>>12279855
>I would put him somewhere around the progressive wing of the Democratic party

so he likes blackies and spics now?

>>12279585
>If you aren't left then you must be a poorly educated, hokey conservative. Those are the only two options.

>>12279585
And libertarians are statistically smarter than liberals. So what? Doesn't stop them from being morons.

is bleeding edge cyberpunk?

>>12275146
This was a good post that made me laugh. I still like Pynchon as an author but everything you said is 100% unironically true.

Pynch... easy on the anti-globalist agenda

Kekulé dreams the Great Serpent holding its own tail in its mouth, the dreaming Serpent which surrounds the World. But the meanness, the cynicism with which this dream is to be used. The Serpent that announces, "The World is a closed thing, cyclical, resonant, eternally-returning," is to be delivered into a system whose only aim is to violate the Cycle. Taking and not giving back, demanding that "productivity" and "earnings" keep on increasing with time, the System removing from the rest of the World these vast quantities of energy to keep its own tiny desperate fraction showing a profit: and not only most of humanity—most of the World, animal, vegetable, and mineral, is laid waste in the process. The System may or may not understand that it's only buying time. And that time is an artificial resource to begin with, of no value to anyone or anything but the System, which must sooner or later crash to its death, when its addiction to energy has become more than the rest of the World can supply, dragging with it innocent souls all along the chain of life. Living inside the System is like riding across the country in a bus driven by a maniac bent on suicide . . . though he's amiable enough, keeps cracking jokes back through the loudspeaker . . .

>>12280066
sort of

the latter half has a very gibsonesque cyberspace and some of the characters are Hackers (1995) type characters

>Currently reading this
How the hell can 75+ years old grandpa be more up to date with tech than average geek? Is he some sort of genius?
Legit question

>>12275124
sounds like he's making fun of leftists

>>12280284
>Is he some sort of genius?
Are you some sort of retard?

>>12280284
>How the hell can 75+ years old grandpa be more up to date with tech than average geek?
is he? i liked the novel (morseo on my second read) but i thought it all seemed pretty out of touch

>>12280284
>Is he some sort of genius?
He wrote V. when he was like 22. That's insane. DFW could have spent the rest of his life writing and he'd never have hit the level of even V.

>>12279258
Is this really Pinecone's son? He has a really similar mouth shape.

>>12280284
Pynchon knows literally fucking everything

>>12279901
You trend towards tards, sorry pal

>>12279585
>Implying that's an argument.

>>12280464
You don't know which way I lean