/lit/ - Literature

>>12220433
It's from Schopenhauer's idea of the world as 'will' and 'representation'. We perceive the world as representation; as an aesthetic phenomenon. Someone more learned than me can probably elaborate on this.

>>12220433
It means:
'HEY, EVERYONE! I'M A MAJOR PSEUD! PLEASE DON'T NOTICE!'

>>12220551
don't post this ever again

>>12220596
bad dog. don't beg for the food next time.

>>12220433
Beauty is the only thing that can give value to life. He's right btw, despite what life-denying weaklings in this board will try to tell you

>>12220621
This is true. This is the only redeeming quality of Roman Catholicism.

Bump

>>12220451
I didn't read this book of Nietzsche's, but I've read Schopenhauer's The World as Will and Representation..

Essentially, what we see in the physical world is the world of effects. All of what we see has an underlying cause, which also has underlying causes. All causes stem from the Will. The Will is that which is behind nature and desire and goals. We are manifestations of the Will, and find and create objects in the world to represent our will. My desire is to achieve a certain feeling, be that of status, comfort, or power, so I find something to represent that desire and "will" my way towards it.

The will is unquencheable, however. It's the eternal sisyphus. We are manifestations of the will, and the Will aims to fulfill itself. We find mere representations to temporarily quench that thirst for fulfillment, but the very nature of reality is striving and achieving. Achieving leads to posterior strivings.

As Nabokov put it, "we are most artistically caged", in his Pale Fire. No desire will ever quench our desiring nature. The very thing-in-itself that underlies reality is ever-striving towards something. We are entrapped in a beautiful landscape which exerts a magnetic pull on our faculty of interest. It's a mere shell that encapsulates the underlying reality, which is eternal striving. We just find something to strive for, but it could be anything. The choices are aesthetical.

>>12220762 here
Now I don't really agree with this 100%
There is a balance in this "choice" faculty as far as I understand. Perception of meaning is what guides this aesthetical selection of pursuits, and this meaning is brought forth by experience and memory, so it's halfway deterministic, but that is the Jordan Peterson in me that is speaking.

bump

What he means by that is that we still haven't found a purpose of aesthethics, we just like it, we can't explain it from an evolutionary sense, so we can't completely disregard it as meaningless

>>12220433
don't take the existence of the world for granted, because the only reason why we think the world exists is due to the perception of our severely limited sensations.

It doesn't have anything to do with transcendental idealism or Schopenhauer's theory of the Will. It means literally what it says. There are a number of ways you could attempt to justify life. An aesthetic justification is the only one Nietzsche accepts. Life as an amusing spectacle for the gods. In response to the problem of suffering, he doesn't kiss the earth and praise God like Dostoevsky, or reject life and embrace asceticism like Schopenhauer. He recognizes life for what it is and accepts it anyway because he enjoys the grand masquerade and wants it to continue. He doesn't require anything more.

>>12221424
Sounds very alluring, but with the world being so ugly and with the beauty being so rare, aesthetic is nowhere enough to justify life. Moreover, beauty doesn't even belong to this world, it's a 'grand masquerade', and knowing this deceit, it's impossible to savour it.

Bump

>>12222222
what a bloody waste of a get desu

>>12222222
based

>>12222222
fuck you. i almost got the get.

>>12222222
I’m literally shaking

The cosmos is fundamentally playing with itself. There isn't a point except to enjoy it while the dance goes on.

>>12222222
bumping on /lit/ for this ffs

>>12222222
absolutely based

>>12222249
Can you pass the bong?

>>12222222
disappointing

>>12221439
Motherfucker did you read the book? The point of art is to create beauty where otherwise we'd see ugliness. That's why we have the tragedies.

>>12222222
Why are you bumping on lit? It a slow ass board newfag.

>>12222222
checked

>>12222222
One of the legitimately worst gets I've ever seen. I hope your life is as miserable as your post.

>>12222290
I'm not correcting you on the content of the book, I argue with the point you seem to have drawn from it. No matter how powerful art is, it is only a deceit if it's limited to 'pure aesthetics'. Greek tragedies are beyond beauty and ugliness, their purpose was not to hide or embellish, on the contrary, it was to show the miserable truth about human nature — about how fragile and pitiful man is if he is left in the current of causality known as 'fate'.

>>12220451
Nah that was pretty concise and on point. A rare item considering the history of discussing nihilists on this board.

>>12222222
oof

>>12222222
>Christian Bane on suicide watch
LMAO
I came all the way from t/v/ to laugh at your pathetic gets.
the absolute state of i/lit/iterates

>>12220433
>>What did he mean by This?
Nothing.
By his own admission his philosophy is sensless Babble and mouth-noises produced by a last-man to distract itself from the inevitability of death.

>>12222222
Checked from /tv/

Hello friends /tv/ here are there based and redpilled posters on this board?

>>12222222

>>12222689
My diary desu.

>>12222222
Who here from /tv???

How you doing book boys

>>12222222
bad get

IMAGINE READING A BOOK

SOMEBODY STOP ME

funny that tv shitposters really don't particularly stand out

>>12222222
uhhhm yeah...that's gonna be a strong yikes from me, bordering oof

>>12222739
Deh!

>>12222222
the absolute state

>>12222222
no you retard

>>12222222
SHITTY GET FOR A SHITTY BOARD LMAO HAHAHAHAHA!

I chuckled at first but now it's just sad. Here, feast your eyes /lit/ on a proper get.

>>12222222
lmao book nerds

>>12222777
checked

>>12222777
>
what board?

>>12221439
You are putting your likely physiological inherent bias of pain into the word suffering and because of this cannot enjoy the deceit of the grand masquerade.

Life is suffering to us because we are aware of ourselves. Not because it's painful to live. If we accept that this is all that life is -truly- then we can enjoy the play and maybe even be a part of it if we desire to roleplay.

>>12222789
Make a wild guess.

>>12222794
/x/?

>>12222222
that's a big get

>>12222296
>>12222222
>be on /lit/
>cant read the sticky

>>12222222

FUCK YOU LIT FAGGOTS HAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

>woaaahhh repeating numbers! xd
you all need to go back to r*ddit. grow up.

>>12222801
>/x/
>capable of achieving anything

>>12222222
Why do you even exist

>>12222823
seething

>bootyblasted bookfag pretending to be too kewl for numbers
This attitude is the reason you failed in actual sciences and you now have to pretend you are smart on the internet by reading elaborately written opinion pieces on an outdated medium.

>>12222222
Just as boring as this board

>>12222222
>bookfag """""gets""""""

/tv/ asserts its dominance once again. The absolute state of literature.

>>12222222
checked hard from /tv/

>>12222838
>/sci/fag seething red and mad
You're the only people here who're in no position to call others stupid. Well, you and the /pol/ and it's colonies.

>>12222222
Muddy diks

>>12222843
lel

>>12222845
How do you even respirate, buddy. Tv sucks.

>>12222222
lelel put me in le ebin screencap

>>12222222
Wow

>there are people who unironically read completelly irrelevant in this day and age books written by some greek dudes from thousand years ago

>>12222870
>people

74 replies. Welp, nice knowing you fellers.

>>12222870
Start with the Greeks.

>>12222870
>too scared to open book
Ok grogman.

>>12222854
How does it feel to be the bottom bitch of /tv/ of all places?

>>12222887
>>12222890
seethe

>>12222898
Start with the Greeks.

>>12222896
You tell me. I'm from /qa/, and shit on all of you from far above.

>>12222864
for you

>>12222843
based and redpilled

>>12222222
Glad I stopped reading books and hangout on tv with cool guys now, nothing worthwile happens here.

>>12222908
>bookfag
>from /qa/
OH NO NO NO HE READS CHINESE CARTOONS

In all seriousness, can any /lit/fags explain why you read books when it's almost 2019? Is it really just a pretentious "look at how smart I am" thing?

I have never read a book that was able to be as engaging as a movie or video game.

>>12222898
>one word reply
You're sad or something, big guy? You need a hug? Aww. Words are hard, yes we know dear.

>>12222935
leave

>>12222935
Try Grapes of Wrath. You're welcome.

>>12222530
It is only a deceit if you believe that beauty and misery are contradictory.

>>12222944
Leaves of Grass. Walden.

>>12222222
Literature is truly a dead medium.

Paradise lost

>>12222944
I already saw the movie and it was pretty boring tbqh

>>12222936
>facebook-tier reply

>>12222956
I'm going to counter every stupid thing people say with a good book because you're an insufferable faggot and love MOBY DICK

>>12222944
I prefer Atlas Shrugged

>>12222959
great band

>>12222964
>more nonsensical replies
You're bound to lose this battle. JS. I got all day, buster brown.

>>12222965
>the absolute state of butthurt bookfags

>>12222968
That? Really? Lol I'm sorry for your parents.

>>12222222
/tv/ is laughing at us again

>>12222982
You're the one posting all the angry pics, buck-o. Calm down before you have an aneurysm.

>>12222987
Who gives two tin shits? Tv is a shit board.

>>12222791
>Life is suffering to us because we are aware of ourselves. Not because it's painful to live.
You speak like you know what life really is beyond that masquerade, but you can't possibly know it. We only know of life through our personal experience, and this experience includes lots of pain. Life discloses itself to us mainly in suffering, and a in bit of happiness too. To use your metaphors, we cannot spectate life as a play because we are always in it and the swords, poisons and blood are all real.

>>12222222
lol bookfags are getting absolutely BTFO ITT

t. /tv/ chad

>>12222992
What? No book? Are you running out?

>>12222945
I cannot accept beauty if it's gruesome and miserable. It is a contradiction for me and I can't imagine it being non-contradictory.

>>12223008
I've already answered you with a book.
>reading comprehension isn't good
You're killing me, kid.

>>12222987
/tv/ is full of redditors and retards

>>12223003
I'm going to go burn a book just for that faggot comment.

>>12220433
According to Kant, we can only know the world through appearances. If all life is appearance then we can never establish an objective account of the world. We can only talk about it in the same manner we usually consider objects of an aesthetic nature (like art). Philosophy and science are therefore nothing but a personal account of the content our experience.

>>12222961
>movie="I read the book"
Well aren't you special. Gtfoh. I bet you still play Candyland.

>>12223023
I expected a book per reply. Silly me to expect a bookfag to know his shit.

>>12223036
Burn a thousand more for all I give a fuck. Tv is a boring shit board. Go back to it if you're so mad.

>>12222986
Me too, they're leftists.

>>12223044
>According to Kant
Stopped reading right there. /lit/confirmed for brainlet board.

>>12223050
You're not getting that. I didn't even say that. I know this is going to sound weird but you need to be able to read to be here. Honestly.

>>12223059
Do comments like that make you feel superior? You’re saying nothing.

>>12223058
Does your left nut ever itch?

>>12223058
>they're leftists.
How come parents this BASED produce a retard such as yourself?

>>12222222
so this is the power of /lit/?

>>12223064
>being arrogant for failing to meet expectations
Typical trait of thinly cut wood defenders. Get with the times and strive for more. Your insistence on restrictions borders BDSM fetish levels.

>>12220433
All there is, is mind. All mind is, is aesthetic taste.

>>12222222
imagine reading books

>>12222222

>>12222222
LMAO
They ran to the mods to cry for help.

>>12222979
you need to go back

>>12223064
>I’m going to counter every stupid thing people say with a good book
Brainlet

>>12223087
I frankly don't care what you're expectations are so your post boils down to >>projection. Funny but alas you're just wrong. Imagine that, if you're able please.

>>12222222
>NOOOOOO HELP US JANNY!!!!

lol

>>12223105
>I-I don't care
Sure you don't. Keep replying and keep trying to defend the honour of a dead medium.

>>12223098
>crying this much
Ok we get it, you're upset.

>>12222222
artistically caged post

>newfags from /tv/ think this constitutes a raid
I have announcement to make

>>12223114
>honour
Please go back to tv if you're so angry lol

>>12223087
this. telvision is superior. watch breaking bad its better than books i read in high scool. much cooler.

Fuck books and fuck bookworms, cheers.

>>12223127
go on

>>12223129
>no u
Even on a board dedicated on literature, I most certainly did not expect such eloquence and such debate tactics. I am truly and eternally btfo.

>>12223138
>>>12222222
>deleted
Thanks, mods. Now ban the idiot who linked this from /qa/
>>>/qa/2491354

>>12223145
>crying to the mods

>>12222222
>crybabbies got hotpockets to delete their shame
oh well...

>>12223145
>AAAAAAAA MOMMY HELP ME!

Bump

>>12220433
people value stuff because it looks pretty
even if you somehow think ugliness is pretty then you've tricked yourself into thinking its pretty or you're lying and miserable -- ergo ultimately everything revolves around aesthetic

>>12222935
I’ve never found a video game or movie as engaging as a book but go off sis

>>12222222
>>12223145

bump

>>12220433
You could rephrase this as: justification of the world on a strictly rational (i.e. non-aesthetic) basis is impossible.
Or >>12220621 is another way of putting it.
He's undeniably correct, too. I've never seen anyone come up with a convincing argument against Nietzsche here.

>>12222252
can you suck my dick?

>>12220762
how do we know that anything has a cause? it isn't logically necessary.

>>12225210
Nietzsche didn’t believe in causality or in mechanics. This is schopenhauer’s transformation of German Idealism into metaphysical pessimism, Nietzsche doesn’t use that language and his Will is distinct from’s S’s will

>>12225162
You probably think you’re lowering yourself to vulgarity to creat a particular rhetorical effect, not realizing your original post >>12222249 is just as trite as this one.

>>12225217
are you replying to the right person? I never said that's what Nietzsche said or anything about Nietzsche

Bump. What happened with the get??

STG I'll make a thread on this slow ass board and ruin someone's day. I don't even care right now.

>>12225531
>faggot OP gets the get by bump-posting
>someone decides to announce it on the happenings thread in /qa/
>/tv/ posters come here to shit on the get
>shitting on the get turns into shitting on the board and books in general
>some /lit/fags get pissy and report the get
>get gets deleted
>/tv/ posters notice and start shitting even harder
>/lit/ reports even harder
>half the posts are deleted now

tl;dr thin skinned babies got btfo and bitched to the mods about it

>>12225531
Janny got steamed.

>>12225210
All things have cause. They just don't need to be a physical a cause. Physical phenomena stem from mental phenomena. You think and then you act your thoughts out. It doesn't have to be conscious, too. The Will is the cause for causes, though. I'm a little high right (just came from the doctor) now so I think it's better we discuss this later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3s_W9xgqKg

>>12226215
Thank you. I frequent lit quite a bit but only came in the middle of the fracas.