/lit/ - Literature

Is this one of those "I deconstruct a commonly held belief to the point of utter lunacy that no sane mind would, then say 'it doesn't matter' while at the same time saying these things that agree with me are actually the important ones" video?

>>12221885
not op but yes. The bluepill was hidden until near the end of the video. The hate u give was listed with Tolstoy.

Fuck Lindsay, that skank.

>>12221885

It's a video made to appeal to zoomers with lots of pictures and memes to keep their short attention span that, as a surprise to noone, takes issue that the people who decided what the literary canon is were "old white men." Dang what a shocker. So the entire second half is a dig at how we're not getting diverse enough opinions.

>>12221885
I'll summarize

>Why are the classics considered classics? They're really long and boring after all.
>Some classic writers died before their books became classics, others didn't.
>The western canon was a creation of old white men and academics who were also old white men and who didn't admit anyone who wasn't a white man into the academy.
>Today things are changing and more non white authors are being included in the western canon.
>That's not to say Moby Dick isn't good.
>Just read what makes you want to read more.

>>12221924
>>12221918
>doesn't even attempt to argue against "duh old white men" canon, but merely says that "it's not 'diverse' enough" as an argument
Culture of resentment.

>>12221885
no, it's another "read whatever you want because relativist postmodernism. Also having your opinions challenged is so last century"

>>12221924
Shit makes me do mad tbhwyfamily. First, they demean old white men and diminish their works PURELY on the basis of age, color, and sex. Then the video promotes writers PURELY because of their color or gender. Nothing good will come from this cancer that is killing arts education.

>>12221931
>Just read what makes you want to read more.
So stick to the great authors of the past (90% white men, with a few non-white men and two or three women). Gotcha. I couldn't imagine wanting to read more after consuming the trash these people put forward.

>>12221939

But they did present an argument. "It's good because it's diverse." Don't you understand this fundamental unassailable truth?

>>12221946
No, you got it wrong.
You can read whatever makes you want to read more as long as it's from diversity, or genreshit (or ideally, both).
If you read from old white men, you're perpetuating canonical oppression.

Ah, yes, another thread about how SJWs are destroying literature, that’s exactly what /lit/ needs right now. What an original and interesting topic of discussion!

>>12221958
>Broadly, Bloom terms "Schools of Resentment" approaches associated with Marxist critical theory, including African American studies, Marxist literary criticism, New Historicist criticism, feminist criticism, and poststructuralism—specifically as promoted by Jacques Lacan, Jacques Derrida and Michel Foucault. The School of Resentment is usually defined as all scholars who wish to enlarge the Western canon by adding to it more works by authors from minority groups without regard to aesthetic merit and/or influence over time, or those who argue that some works commonly thought canonical promote sexist, racist or otherwise biased values and should therefore be removed from the canon. Bloom contends that the School of Resentment threatens the nature of the canon itself and may lead to its eventual demise.
Her counter argument:
>YIKES XD

>>12221885
It’s a ‘I’m too stupid to read those nasty long books so I’m going to fight to have the standard of the canon lowered so I can read Girl on a Train without being made to feel bad’. Literally just Affirmative Action but for books.

>>12221986
Sounds like pleb cope to me.

>>12221859
why is the west so resentful against white men, lads?

that western canon is dominated by white men is to its detriment though, it's a pretty narrow historical perspective

Come on, it's not that difficult guys. The canon is arbitrary bullshit chosen by old white farts to justify their own literary tastes and make themselves feel better. Don't take the canon too seriously. Read more diverse literature.

>>12221859
>movie "critic"

>>12222016
Is the canon questionable? Yes. Is "Yikes" a valid argument to question it? No.

>>12222015
I agree. Once again it falls upon the shoulders of men of the West to carry the world's history. The lesser races cannot be trusted to produce anything of value without our guiding hand.

>>12222048
lol I love this "white man uplifts savages" narrative

endless japes

>>12222015
>western canon is dominated by white men
You can't invent people that don't exist. There are many very good books outside the western canon, but you simply cannot add black men in the western canon because there were no black authors in ancient Greece or in 18th century France.

>yikes
now this is epic

>>12222060
Shakespeare was black.

>>12222016
Obviously bait, but I like that modern critics of the Canon effectively say: "don't trust that guy to judge the Canon, trust ME!", and then expect people to just agree with them.

>>12222060
dumas was a quadroon

>>12222079
I don't play beyblades

>>12222079
And he's already in the canon. What more do you want?

>>12221859
harold bloom is an old jewish man, not an old white man

>>12221968
What did Moishe mean by this?

Everything women do that doesn't involve their breasts, anus or vagina just makes me like them less and less.

>wwahahahah why minorities aren´t in the western canon?

take it easy lindsey

>>12222111
For your own good, do not think in those terms. By sexualizing them you are giving them too much credit and corrupting yourself.

>>12221859
it is actually pretty good, something that I was thinking about for a very long time but was not able to formulate, thanks for sharing this anon.
Now, if you will excuse me I will proceed reading my genre fiction

Every contemporary writer who hates the canon is just mad because they wont ever be in it.

this video is just saying not to worry too much about the western canon because it's quite a narrow selection of books

>>12221859
haha glorious, that's why I read only books by white men

>>12222130
The best of something will always be a narrow selection.

Is anyone else creeped out by how she raises her color contrast to insane levels? It makes her look unnaturally white. Either her skin is awful or she's trying her hardest to hide wrinkles. Maybe both.

>>12222136
yeah but not by the criteria of "all these guys like eachothers books"

>>12222130
The canon spans THOUSANDS of years, has HUNDREDS of works of literature, and represents the best of many different cultures. It even has genre fiction (e.g. Edgar Allan Poe). How the fuck is it narrow?

So heres the thing, War and Peace, Moby Dick and Les Miserables are actually good books. Theyre not lauded for being important and influential, they are important and influential because theyre fucking good and fun to read. And Woolf has been in the canon as long as fucking James Joyce

>>12222181
The Brontë sisters, Edith Wharton, Gertrude Stein, Mary Shelley, Jane Austen, George Eliot, and many other women have also been a part of the canon for a long time. But the subversives never acknowledge this. They always pretend the canon is 100% dead white men.

>>12222181
>>12222200

The canon needs to be purified of non male contamination.
The non males toxicity to everything men enjoy cannot be surmounted.

What an awful video

>>12222200
checked

will Bloom be part of the canon?

>>12221859
>Shits on Bloom
>Says at the end that writers like Woolf have been added to the Canon, but that's what Bloom did.

>>12222005
It's what happens when capitalism has used racism and sexism for its own use (e.g., keep darkies and women in worse wage slavery) then commodify their civil rights movements/progressive ideologies.

All this "hurr white male canon" is just capitalism eating its older self.

>>12222116
Harold Bloom's list has countless Latin Americans, Africans, African Americans, women, LGBT (but more-so Gay), Asians, Eastern Europeans, etc.

>>12221859
>bloom dismissed on ideological basis
faggot.

>Latin America on Bloom's list

Rubén Dário
Selected Poetry
Jorge Luis Borges
The Aleph and Other Stories
Dreamtigers (The Maker)
Ficciones
Labyrinths
A Personal Anthology
Alejo Carpentier
Explosion in a Cathedral
The Lost Steps
Reasons of State
The Kingdom of This World
Guillermo Cabrera Infante
Three Trapped Tigers
View of Dawn in the Tropics
Severo Sarduy
Maitreya
Reinaldo Arenas
The Ill-Fated Peregrinations of Fray Servando
Pablo Neruda
Canto General
Residence on Earth
Twenty Love Poems and a Song of Despair
Fully Empowered
Selected Poems
Nicolás Guillén
Selected Poems
Octavio Paz
The Collected Poems
The Labyrinth of Solitude
César Vallejo
Selected Poems
Spain, Take This Cup from Me
Miguel Angel Asturias
Men of Maize
José Lezama Lima
Paradiso
José Donoso
The Obscene Bird of Night
Julio Cortázar
Hopscotch
All Fires the Fire
Blow-up and Other Stories
Gabriel García Márquez
One Hundred Years of Solitude
Love in the Time of Cholera
Mario Vargas Llosa
The War of the End of the World
Carlos Fuentes
A Change of Skin
Terra Nostra
Carlos Drummond de Andrade
Travelling in the Family
The West Indies
C. L. R. James
The Black Jacobins
The Future in the Present
V. S. Naipaul
A Bend in the River
A House for Mr. Biswas
Derek Walcott
Collected Poems
Wilson Harris
The Guyana Quartet
Michael Thelwell
The Harder They Come
Aimé Césaire
Collected Poetry

>Africa

Chinua Achebe
Things Fall Apart
Arrow of God
No Longer at Ease
Wole Basedinka
A Dance of the Forest
Amos Tutuola
The Palm-Wine Drinkard and His Dead Palm-Wine Tapster in the Dead's Town
Christopher Okigbo
Labyrinths, with Path of Thunder
John Pepper Clark (-Bekederemo)
Casualties: Poems
Ayi K. Armah
The Beautyful Ones Are Not Yet Born
Wa Thiong'o Ngugi
A Grain of Wheat
Gabriel Okara
The Fisherman's Invocation
Nadine Gordimer
Collected Stories
J. M. Coetzee
Foe
Athol Fugard
A Lesson from Aloes
Léopold S. Senghor
Selected Poems

>>12221932
Based and horsepilled

>India (Asia)

Ancient:
Ancient India (Sanskrit)
Mahabharata
Bhagavad-Gita
Ramayana

India (in English):

R. K. Narayan
The Guide
Salman Rushdie
Midnight's Children
Ruth Prawer Jhabvala
Heat and Dust

>African American (four of whom are women)

Frederick Douglass
Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, an American Slave
James Baldwin
The Price of a Ticket
Toni Morrison
Song of Solomon
Gloria Naylor
The Women of Brewster Place
Ishmael Reed
Mumbo Jumbo
August Wilson
Fences
Joe Turner's Come and Gone
Rita Dove
Selected Poems
Thylias Moss
Small Congregations: New and Selected Poems
Zora Neale Hurston
Their Eyes Were Watching God

>LGBT
Oscar Wilde
Plays
The Picture of Dorian Gray
The Artist as Critic
Virginia Woolf (for the Trans theme)
Orlando: A Biography
Shakespeare (whom Bloom posits is Bisexual)

>>12222471
>LGBT
You forgot Walt Whitman and Hart Crane, two of Blooms mist shilled writters

>Women
Virginia Woolf
Mrs. Dalloway
To the Lighthouse
The Waves
Between the Acts
Edith Wharton
Collected Short Stories
The Age of Innocence
Ethan Frome
The House of Mirth
The Custom of the Country
Willa Cather
My Ántonia
The Professor's House
A Lost Lady
Gertrude Stein
Three Lives
The Geographical History of America
The Making of Americans
Tender Buttons
Elinor Wylie
Last Poems
Marianne Moore
Complete Poems
Hilda Doolittle (H.D.)
Selected Poems
Katherine Anne Porter
Collected Stories
Louise Bogan
The Blue Estuaries: Selected Poems
Eudora Welty
Collected Stories
Delta Wedding
The Robber Bridegroom
The Ponder Heart
Kay Boyle
Three Short Novels
Ellen Glasgow
Barren Ground
Vein of Iron
Elizabeth Bishop
The Complete Poems
May Swenson
New & Selected Things Taking Place
In Other Words
Flannery O'Connor
Complete Stories
The Violent Bear It Away
Wise Blood
Ursula K. LeGuin
The Left Hand of Darkness

cont.

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>>12222507
Based autistic bloomposter

>Women 2

Grace Paley
The Little Disturbances of Man
Joyce Carol Oates
Them
Cynthia Ozick
Envy, or Yiddish in America
The Messiah of Stockholm
Amy Clampitt
Westward
Jane Austen
Pride and Prejudice
Emma
Mansfield Park
Persuasion
Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley
Frankenstein
Charlotte Brontë
Jane Eyre
Villette
Emily Brontë
Poems
Wuthering Heights
Emily Dickinson
Complete Poems
Louisa May Alcott
Little Women
Kate Chopin
The Awakening
Sarah Orne Jewett
The Country of the Pointed Firs and Other Stories
Natalia Ginzburg
Family
Andrea Zanzotto
Selected Poetry
Sophia de Mello Breyner
Selected Poems
Simone de Beauvoir
The Second Sex
Elizabeth Bowen
Collected Stories
Evelyn Waugh
A Handful of Dust
Scoop
Vile Bodies
Put Out More Flags
Doris Lessing
The Golden Notebook
Mervyn Peake
The Gormenghast Trilogy
Jeanette Winterson
The Passion
W. H. Auden
Collected Poems
The Dyer's Hand
Elizabeth Jennings
Selected Poems
Edna O'Brien
A Fanatic Heart
Ingeborg Bachmann
In the Storm of Roses
Christa Wolf
Cassandra
Anna Akhmatova
Poems
Katherine Mansfield
The Short Stories
Christina Stead
The Man Who Loved Children
Judith Wright
Selected Poems

>West Indies
C. L. R. James
The Black Jacobins
The Future in the Present
V. S. Naipaul
A Bend in the River
A House for Mr. Biswas
Derek Walcott
Collected Poems
Wilson Harris
The Guyana Quartet
Michael Thelwell
The Harder They Come
Aimé Césaire
Collected Poetry

>>12221859
>It is even more clear why this supposedly deemed “anti-fun” side of reading, i.e., the classical side feels so strongly opinionated against their opponents when one sees any argument resembling the following: “Why should we read Moby Dick? That was written by a dead white male.” “Shakespeare? He writes about royalty. They have money. They don’t know suffering.” “I can get just as much out of The Hunger Games, Harry Potter, The Fault in Our Stars, Game of Thrones, and Jack Reacher then I can from Dante who is boring, Milton who is too confusing to be good (yes, really), and Chaucer who, like them all, is a waste of time.” I need not go on because of the prevalence of such opinions, and my case is clear for why traditional readers may feel so offended. These readers—and I count myself one of them—should find recourse in advice like Epictetus’s, when he tells us that we would not let someone come and take control of our leg, so why should we let someone take control of our mind (The Enchiridion, 28). That, however, as good advice as it is, is easier said than done, noble stoic, because I would love to see your reaction to Lindsay Ellis’s “Why Did They Make Me Read This in High School,” one of the worst offenses from not only the anti-literature crowd, but to the entire, already-wholly-abominable genre that is the video essay.

>Ellis’s video “My Monster Boyfriend,” though low-hanging fruit judging from the title and the thumbnail, begins so despicably that anyone with any eye at all for convention can spot Ellis’s awful timing and blandness. The video essay opens with a seven-second shot on Ellis’s face, which spends half of its self-conscious time with its eyes closed. I will relay what Ellis says in her opening, but I challenge you to open up the video yourself and listen to the cadence in which she reads the words that she so obviously proudly semi-pruned before jumping into hastily-chosen clips to abide for her viewer’s attention span. Her words: “So 2017 was a momentous year in which a mainstream movie finally went where scores of women had wanted it to go for decades.” Notice the “so.” Ellis’s videos, especially the one which originally dragged me down into this footnote, have the wise viewer thinking—above all the other messages the video rehashes: “Lindsay, please; can you tell us something NEW?”

>And for the sake of those who like completeness and who have quickly found themselves fans of my writing, I would like to indulge them and myself by very quickly commenting on two other video essayists: Nerdwriter1 is bad. Every Frame A Painting is alright. Why the latter essayist can actually be called an essayist (though the channel is actually comprised of a duo) is evidenced by a viewing of the works themselves, and the fact that the creators have moved on from the despicable genre

>>12222518
Use my autism in the comments section of the video to trigger the unread Canon-haters. Maybe they should actually listen to minority voices in literature lmao

The schoo--haha, the sch--hehehe, hoho, the school of resentmentahaha derision mocking laugh. Yikes!! Ummm, yikes! :p

>women

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Thanks for this list of SHIT TO AVOID

>Eastern Europe (not including Russia since the video mentioned Tolstoy as "white")

>Serbo-Croat
Ivo Andric
The Bridge on the Drina
Vasko Popa
Selected Poems
Danilo Kis
A Tomb for Boris Davidovich

>Czech
Karel Capek
War with the Newts
R.U.R
Vaclav Havel
Largo Desolato
Milan Kundera
The Unbearable Lightness of Being
Jaroslav Seifert
Selected Poetry
Miroslav Holub
The Fly

>Polish
Bruno Schulz
The Street of Crocodiles
Sanatorium Under the Sign of the Hourglass
Czeslaw Milosz
Selected Poems
Witold Gombrowicz
Three Novels
Stanislaw Lem
The Investigation
Solaris
Zbigniew Herbert
Selected Poems
Adam Zagajewski
Tremor

>Hungarian
Attila József
Perched on Nothing's Branch
Ferenc Juhasz
Selected Poems
Laszlo Németh
Guilt

>>12222060
Aeschylus was black

>>12222544
>no hasek
i'm glad bloom will soon be dead

Does this video unintentionally demonstrate why the views and opinions of particular contingents of the Western demographic (in this case, women) haven't historically been regarded as influential or important?
>"The race that built and shaped my culture for thousands of years before racial integration was so much as entertained is problematic"
>"Yikes"

>>12221859
>"The school of resentment."
>yikes
She actually fucking says yikes. Who the fuck is the dumb bitch and why did you con me into watching that video?
She doesn't even argue if the books in the canon deserve to be there or not. Just "something something old white men, something diversity, just read what you want!!!"

>>12222586
Women in Harold's list emerge about the time of liberalism, mostly in England (which was the birthplace of early feminism, e.g. JSM and Wallstonecroft). There have really been no women allowed to write until political freedom was granted. Only exceptions I know is Sappho or Teresa Avila

>>12222615
Aphra Behn too

>>12222615
Mary Wollstonecraft*

>>12222602
It's a woman so everything she says ultimately translates back to "umm you won't be very popular if you say that" and "umm yikes I won't sleep with you if you don't say the things I want you to say" shit tests. Ironically actually obeying these directives just makes them despise you more at an instinctive level because it shows you are grovelling for their approval, another sign that for women everything is ultimately a matter social status and virility.

They've basically turned the entire society into a platform for role-playing that they're men, while really still being women underneath. Individually when shit test men, collectively women shit test an entire civilisation. Lindsay Ellis is shit testing dead white men. She wants them to rape her. she wants the new Napoleon to punch her in the mouth and say, stop talking, it's time for you to take my world-spirit dick now, as it ever was and ever shall be.

>>12222615
What about the greatest lyrical poet in the world and the greatest English poet ever, Emily Fucking Dickinson?

>>12222642
emily dickinson is on the list and she is born after the advent of liberalism and Wollstonecraft, and worked during John Stuart Mill's time (big granddaddy of liberalism and with his wife, feminism)

>>12221859
Daily reminder that video essays or video criticisms are for mid-wits whose goal is to "respond" to academia as there only realistic hope of being related to it. Pseud central, move along.

>>12222128
this, these women are mostly angry because they weren't the chosen men & Dickenson, Bronte.

Doesn’t Bloom place a great deal of emphasis on influence in his work. It only makes sense that someone whith that perspective supports some sort of canon. Does she engage with his works at all?

>Criticizing Howard Bloom in any way
Antisemitism IS NOT ACCEPTABLE on this board

>>12222544
it's
>Juhász
and
>László

god bless

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>>12221932
Didn’t Harold Bloom say that the only reason he got into classics was because he thought Jews should be the only people listed as canonical? Lmao, people who worship this guy are just following his own projected resentment.

>>12222005
Inferiority complex when facing the geniuses of the past.