/lit/ - Literature

There is nothing to suggest that even modernism is done. Post-modernism is a misnomer in the sense that it is essentially just a self-conscious modernism.

>>12213193
is modernism just city dwelling romanticism??

>>12213161
we're living in a culture beyond post modernism which called for the reflection upon capitalist culture
capitalist culture has succeeded
we're living in the end times, where males dress like females, females as males, people wish to die and where children disobey their parents

>>12213397
>where males dress like females, females as males
hot

>>12213405
i wonder if civilisation will collapse all at once or wether it'll be a slow agonising process or if we'll just enter a nightmare reality dominated by big tech and big pharma

>>12213416
Over here in slav lands we still beat trannies to death but they keep pushing LGBT shit more and more

>>12213161
>we
Spooky

>>12213161
Not hypermodernity, metamodernity.

>>12213397
>where males dress like females, females as males
This isn’t a recent phenomenon. People have been doing this sort of shit since time immemorial. We have many real and severe problems, but this hand wringing over “degeneracy” is stupid.

>>12213847
>everyone on planet earth is talking about trans issues as a huge mass of people suddenly turn trans but .02 percent of human beings did it once so I’ll dismiss it all

Wow it’s almost as if you’re trying to pretend that this isn’t a trend

>>12213863
It’s becoming more apparent because these sorts of things aren’t as stigmatized as they once were. As such, people predisposed toward cross dressing are more likely to do it openly. It’s not as if otherwise normal people are being influenced to do it. It’s that otherwise abnormal people are no longer being shamed for it. You’ll of course retort that they should be, so I’ll ask. How do a paltry few gender bending faggots cause the downfall of civilization?

>>12213884
Theyre just a symptom of it, trannies are pure vanity like most things in our culture since when you actually look inside its dead

>>12213397
we now live in the pre-apocalypse. the prelude to the end

>>12213397
>where males dress like females, females as males, people wish to die and where children disobey their parents

literally nothing wrong with any of that. seems like they are perfectly natural expressions of free will to me. if anything, this is evidence for an advancing civilization escaping arbitrary social constructs that were originally created for the privileged minority to wield the force of the state and unintelligent masses against the disenfranchised minorities that dare challenge their claim to legitimate power and state

>>12213944
>implying freedom is a good

>>12213397

What's morally or self evidently wrong about doing any of those things? You are clearly overreacting spewing /pol/ talking points for troll points.

>>12213884
>>12213944
There’s nothing in and of itself that’s bad about gender bending. Gender roles and their ilk are indeed simply functions of repression to a degree and are (partly) socially constructed. But you’re kidding yourself if you think what’s happening now is a genuine expression of sincerity/humanity and not more of a capitalistic affectation that’s backed by everyone from the textile and pharmaceutical industry to entertainment conglomerates. The simplest way for me to think about this is that when children come out as gay or really anywhere on the spectrum outside of heteronormativity instead of overloading them with the social burden of lgbtqa activism and moral responsibility we should simply tell them we love them as human beings, for the activism is yet another cultural social construction and gets away from true self enlightenment.

You can’t know yourself very deeply if you’re reaching out into the world instead of into yourself.

>>12213339
yes

>>12213972
Oh yeah, I also don’t know how people can be so comfortable with corporate drug companies synthesizing chemicals to make people feel like they’re fully realized and whole human beings. These are the same companies that are causing the heroin epidemic, the heath crisis, and to an extent all out class warfare.

>>12213972
>>12213983
We should unironically just nuke America into glass.

>>12213397
So nothing has changed.

>>12213944
fuck off with that post-modern, power-struggle bullshit. there's nothing arbitrary about gender, it's engrained into our DNA (though granted there is a social element to it). society has, for all of history, thrived off of these definitions of gender, and those that stray (ex: the Romans and Greeks) collapse. there is nothing advanced about the perversion of the human form for simple sexual gratification, which is what the whole of the transgender movement is.

>>12213988
Yeah and watch the world starve as globalism breaks down. Indonesia would be plunged back down into violence and rape along with the entire third world.

I’m willing to put up with the eccentricities of American culture so the rest of the world can subsist on our crumbs.

>>12213944
>implying men are turning into women for aesthetics and not because of A) mental illness e;g chris chan or B) wanting to get their butt stuffed

If gender and sex were all around removed i'm not sure it'd bother me but as it stands now transgenderism is a very human construct brought on by lust and insecurity.

>>12213959
I see it this way.
Capitalism delivers people their pleasures, pleasure is a sinful thing, so capitalism sells sin. It will also advertise sin and thus the men that are humiliating themselves like this aren't freeing themselves from the shackles of society but entering a demographic that has a whole new market looking after it.

It's clear as day, even though we're in the most peaceful time, with plenty of consumer goods, people are still wicked and twisted. This hints at the corruption of the soul, christianity and it's virtues are only in the way of profit. The product/market shapes the culture, not the other way around.

>>12213161
According to Baudrillard, who was right, we are living in hyperreality

>>12213863
>huge mass of people suddenly turn trans
Maybe in your coastal American metropolis
Provide some proof that there exists a "huge mass" of these people, preferably without dubious reference to the prominence of these stories in the media.

>>12213991
No, before people still had hope for a better future but the horrors of last century completely killed any trust in God and his virtues. Since then it's increasingly become about the ego and self-gratification and the capitalist system is all too eager to fulfil these desires. Had emasculated boys met their ancestors they'd be beaten and whipped.

Never forget, every homosexual is the end of his genetic line, assuming there's no siblings. There's been a continuous line of reproduction with men who all presumably defied their urges and it ends with these.

>>12214005
Capitalism is kind of a paradox. on one hand it's the best economic system we have in order to be an individualistic society. on the other, because of that freedom, we tend to enslave ourselves to worldly, worthless passions.

>>12214022
It always been about the ego, god and such are just excuse to call yourself virtuous and selfless, to exalt yourself, reproduction was a "mistake", its "purpose" is to extend one's life, instead of aiming low and shooting your foot, you should concentrate to achieve immortality, that's less ridiculous than caring about breeding, or as you degenerate call it "having a family".

>>12213999
>the level of delusion
You're literally the prime driving force for violence, you insane mutt. From LatAm coups to Indochinese genocides to MENA clusterfucks the third world is kept in perpetual cycle of ruin through greed and selfishness of your ilk, pathetic cretin.

>>12213998
Gender doesn't exist, you are thinking of sex.

>>12214039
no, I'm not. sex is the physical, gender is the mental, the two are linked and only mental illness can divorce the two.

>>12213397
Not the end times pham, the transcendental times.

>>12213972
>Gender roles and their ilk are indeed simply functions of repression to a degree and are (partly) socially constructed. But you’re kidding yourself if you think what’s happening now is a genuine expression of sincerity/humanity and not more of a capitalistic affectation that’s backed by everyone from the textile and pharmaceutical industry to entertainment conglomerates.

This is a monumental causal claim you are making without any proof. No reasonable researcher has even found such a dynamic where the public opinion is influenced by billion dollar business interests. In fact, the evidence suggests the exact opposite that business trends follow public opinion. What do you think the hashtags on twitter are for? Do you not know how the entire institution of the press works? Their job is quite literally to stare at trends on a monitor and write stories to milk them while they can.

>The simplest way for me to think about this is that when children come out as gay or really anywhere on the spectrum outside of heteronormativity instead of overloading them with the social burden of lgbtqa activism and moral responsibility we should simply tell them we love them as human beings, for the activism is yet another cultural social construction and gets away from true self enlightenment.

Your normative claims hold no authority or persuasion in any civilized state that prioritizes science and equality. You can "should" your opinions onto everyone all you want, but to institutionalize and enforce your arbitrary world views and opinions onto the rest of the nation is unreasonable and unthinkable in first world nations. We value freedom and liberty here, kid.

>>12214011
I understand your point about this being mostly a product of media representation but the culture and media feed into each other. In most places on earth this is indeed not happening but it’s obvious to you already that in western cities it is indeed a real phenomenon. So it’s safe to say we agree that it’s a developing and ongoing social construct. To me that is a huge mass of people, millions and millions of people.

It’s essentially impossible to get accurate data on everyone’s sexuality through time but the decelopment of numerous organizations, academic studies, social safety nets, arts, and permutations throughout culture make it quite obvious that earth has never before see this many people claiming to be gender fluid. This is also spurred on by new technology and advances in chemical synthesis. For this reason the argument that transgender people existed in the past is rather flimsy as those people didn’t rely on corporate sponsored drugs to make them trans.

>>12214050
Pretty good bait. Have a (you) on the house.

>>12214011
I seen at least a dozen in rural redneck Alberta

>>12214038
You’re absolutely right, but the level of violence is remarkably low compared to what these places would do left to their own devices. Just like always, when the West runs the world it’s a more beautiful and less violent place.

It’s not a coincidence that Haiti is what it is since the French left. I can only say “you’re welcome” for our benevolent colonialism. You know I’m right but you’ll protest because the idea and implications of this make you uncomfortable.

>>12214039
Yes it does lmao, calling something a construct doesnt make it vanish into thin air

>>12214048
>the transcendental times
you're still stuck in the 1970s it seems.
celestial exploration and peak human performance are things of the past, everything is chrome nowadays
brutalism is ugly, those shitty small hipster houses are pretty
being self-reserved is boring, being shameless is exciting
being virtuous is sinful and being sinful is virtuous

I genuinely do not believe humanity will ever recover. I read the Quran and God admits that we are evil and deserve to perish.

>>12214063
Nice spook fag.

>>12213193
Or a romantic science, maybe Scientism as we can no longer just choose science to cover the absence of a god but choose instead to become from the very base of our thinking and actions scientists, a new naturalism tied with deep ecologists thinking along with rational altruists, a Scientism within being, composed beyond the rigour of Goeth, beyond the rightuousness of a Stalin...a romantic Scientism. I will call it...

>>12214064
Why would a god care about the business of the man and vice versa.

>>12214066
If you actively engage in deciding your own gender regardless of your sex you are still enforcing the construction you are just applying your own rules to it. It doesnt just go away. You still are engaging the idea of what is feminine or masculine.

>>12214087
That's implying I engage.

>>12214050
You don’t think sophisticated propaganda can influence people? There’s plenty of research that shows this. Yes, business trends are indeed following public opinion but it’s a public opinion that’s artificially manufactured. How could it not be? Trans issues effect less than 1% of society. Companies aren’t interested in marketing to a non-existent demographic but rather to the people that side with their cause, getting the official corporate stamp of approval for consumers that find these issues important. And indeed the opposite happens with companies as well. These are the ones that market to “the family”. This has become a huge social issue and people and naturally intuit that this is indeed a superficial trend.

I never once suggested to enshrine any of my opinions into law as I agree with you that to institutionalize any of this into law is a bad idea. I’m simply commenting on a cultural level, and yes I do also value liberty and science as well which is exactly why the pseudo-science of gender engineeerinf is frightening to me. It’s a total rejection of biology, psychology, and chemical functions. I have no interest in legislating or even stopping people from doing any of these things but you don’t get to hide behind science when you aren’t scientific and simply pander to the lowest denominator of capitalism. As for equality it depends on what you mean. I don’t hate anyone, in fact I feel bad for the depressed people that are attracted to many of these things and I treat them with the utmost kindness when I encounter them. If by equality you think everyone should be treated with equal dignity and respect then yes I agree.

>>12214074
He's omnipotent, so He can and He does

>>12214062
>It’s not a coincidence that Haiti is what it is since the French left.
Indeed, the French colonial administration was only surpassed in cruelty by Belgians. Quite telling that Dominican Republic, i.e. the other side of the same island formerly managed by Spanish crown, is a well-off developing nation, you illiterate retard. And stop lumping degenerate American imperialism with European colonial empires of the past and talking on behalf of 'the West'. The latter lifted mud hut dwellers into literate societies, the former destabilizes countries and plunges them into literal slavery to protect the petrodollar. Your degenerate shopping mall of a country has nothing to do with desire to better the world or any of the noble causes you so like to beat your chest about. It's just a giant Jewish machine designed to service the Capital and keep sheepish goys like you tame and docile with cult of commodity fetishism. Take your sanctimonious bullshit back to your cuckshed and keep it there.

>>12214063
“Social construct” is a synonym for bad. It’s a spook. Yes, almost all of our interactions are indeed fake and socially constructed. They’re constructed from millions of years and sophisticated evolution of human beings working together.

I don’t think anyone that uses this as a simple pejorative realizes that social constructions are of extreme value. That could be able bodied men providing for others or children not having the right or means to advocate for themselves over the discipline of their parents. It’s constructed to be strong and long lasting to build up a society.

>>12214064
All that shit you just typed is subjective and of this world. Read Stirner, learn German first.

>>12214035
Based and redpilled, my fellow redditor!

>>12213193
Well, it's not self conscious anymore

>>12214118
I see, so you’re one of THOSE spooks. You think globalism is an albatross around the neck of the world propelled by a mass Jewish conspiracy. Interesting.

By all measurable standards the third world has been lifted out of poverty due to corporate influence. The majority of the time in geopolitics destabilization comes from warring cultural phenomena. The most famous example being Iran, go ahead and tell me how 1970’s Iran was negatively influenced by America and not by their own crazy bullshit regardless of who planted the Shah there. It was only a matter of time. Yes America is a neoimperialist nation thank god, the world literally lives on our crumbs and will continue to do so when the house of cards that is China collapses assuming there’s not another war soon. You can’t even have a conversation without throwing out mean words like “cuck” you fucking cuck faggot fuck. In your deepest fantasies a Jew spreads your holes open.

>>12214143
>That onions grin
RACISM BAD BLURMPH BAD WATCH RICK AND MORTY

>>12213397
WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY

>>12214156
>overthrow democratic order and install a puppet by force
>people rise up against it and their reactionism goes too far
>oh no no no they were always gonna do that we dindu nuffin tee hee
Disgusting, delusional husk of a human being. The world isn't "living on your crumbs", you're a cancerous tumor that parasites on the body of humanity.
>third world has been lifted out of poverty due to corporate influence
The distribution of wealth has never been in a sorrier state than it is today, you triple nigger, almost entirely thanks to US corporatocracy. Stop chanting your neolib neocon bugman agenda and try to use that smooth ball inside your skull once in a while.

>>12213847
>dare to compare a pure and holy soul with dykes americans who put stuffs in their rectum and recorded it on iPhones
you are worse than hitler

>>12214215
“Muh Jewish conspiracy”

>>12214232
I never said it was a conspiracy, retard. But it's nice to see that you're resorting to strawmanning withing 5 posts. Truly, the best goy. Democracy and freedom, amirite?

>>12213416
>This is the way the world ends
>Not with a bang but a whimper.

>>12213944
a jew wrote this post

>>12214100
>You don’t think sophisticated propaganda can influence people? There’s plenty of research that shows this. Yes, business trends are indeed following public opinion but it’s a public opinion that’s artificially manufactured.

My god you know what, I completely forgot /pol/ exists. >>12214209 I take back what I said about businesses interests not being able to influence people. They do, just irrational and unscientific people like /pol/.

But to suggest that the liberation and popularity of the LGBTQ community is caused and propelled by special business interests is an absurd claim to make. If there is anything you should know about corporations it is that they do not take risks. There is a very good reason they spend billions in public opinion surveys and buying your metadata from all over the internet down to your DNA ancestry tests. LGBTQ people have historically been social outcasts and even criminalized if they were open about their feelings and opinions so of course you are only now just starting to see them represented in multimedia. If there is a profitable venture that sprouted the movement as you claim, you would have seen it since the beginning of time.

Does anyone feel like the current era is the most delusional period of humanity, like it's completely disconnected of reality? How come a society that went through heavy self criticism (with people hunting centuries old ideas and social constructs) just end up believing in even more ethereal memes?

>>12214283
there is not a single argument in this entire post

>>12214269
Ok then I’ll give you a moment to explain precisely what you mean. That’s fair, and I’m legitimately listening.

>>12214283
Please refrain from making personal attacks of character as I’ll give you the same respect. I’m not from /pol/ and I think most of their ideas are conspiracy theory garbage.

Firstly I don’t know what you mean by “liberation” unless you’re talking historically. Then yes you’re right they’ve been fucked over in the most violent and worse ways. I don’t believe that the entire transgender phenomenon is only caused by corporate interest because it’s mostly cultural. I’m simply asking you to consider that maybe some aspects of it are influenced by it because I AGREE with you that they’re nefarious and thrive on metadata and have an interest in upholding the status quo. What I’m suggesting is that lgbtqa issues are indeed part of the status quo, atleast in terms of mass media and in mos cultural centers. There’s a gay pride design for most company logos, and marketing follows this logic. This is bizarre to me becaus it’s marketing another identity that’s just as Superficial as the ones it’s criticizing ( and the more defensive people will say is destroying ie: the white genocide meme ).

If you truly believe in equality like I do you’d realize there’s nothing that special about being gay in our current society, westerners are the literal 1% of earth. We’re safe and pampered and even in our own society we’re safer and more protected than ever before. Violence against homosexuals is at an all time low and I think that’s worth celebrating, but to reward someone for being gay with a platform or any other kind of social currency simply for being lgbtqa is offensive because it assumes all of them are emotionally the same person, and that people that aren’t them are as well.

>>12214283

Let me add that corporations want every bit of ideological and biological information about you so they know what to sell you. What you see as a breaking down of the social order with the growing popularity of the LGBTQ people, they see it as their natural right of liberty and will. If a man wants to chop off his penis, who are you to tell him no? What you see as degeneracy is you imposing your manufactured world view of what it means to be civil society onto people who were never a part of civil society before. You have indeed been arguably influenced by corporate and state propaganda to believe that historically outcast people should not be free to express their freedom and liberty as equal as you have had the privilege to. You are being manipulated by the master class into believing minorities are your enemy while they raise your rent and lower your wages.

>>12214283
>just irrational and unscientific people like /pol/
Most people are irrational and "unscientific".
>If there is anything you should know about corporations
>LGBTQ people have historically been social outcasts
If there's anything you should know is that you're retard. One of the major reasons modern corporate interest and leftist identity politics align is because the latter breaks down artificial social barriers to new markets, allowing the former to commodify and exploit every potential lifestyle. HRT market was less than a billion dollars twenty years ago, nowadays it's nearing 20 and projected to grow ever more and the driving force isn't some amazing new breakthrough in treating menopause, but demand from trannies. "Sex change" market was basically non-existant in the 90s, today it nears a billion dollars. "Gay friendly" is a legitimate marketing term nowadays and used predominantly in society that are most gay friendly anyways. You sound completely clueless.

>>12214300
Explain what? Unironically just read Land and realize that US is a giant anti-humanist project at the service of the Capital. Your localized well-being is not the goal, but a side effect and to a lesser extent the means to keep the gears cranking.

>>12214349
I’m completely bewildered by your assumption that I belive that lgbtqa people are undermining social order ( lol as if ) or that I’m concerned with minority’s issues ( I’m not ).

If a man wants to chop off his penis I’ll let him, I already explained I don’t want to legislate any laws against anyone. You’re steering this conversation away from my legitimate criticism of culture to something it simply isn’t. Do you actually believe anyone who’s uncomfortable with corporately sponsored holistic approaches to medicine is a /pol/ level sophist? Again I don’t think telling people they can’t be complete unless they help the bottom line of big pharma is a good thing and having that opinion doesn’t mean I don’t believe in equality.

>>12214380
So it’s anti-human yet interested in my localized well being?

I’m not reading Nick Fucking Land. I already read neuromancer once. Even if what you’re saying is true I’m
Comfortable with that in the short life I’m given.

>>12214355
This.

There’s already a huge industry being built around de-transitioning which will grow exponentially over the next decade. Lgbtqa activists work to silence people that do this but it won’t last long.

>>12214355
what the fuck do you want, a nanny state? who gives a shit if a guy that chopped off his penis regretted it and wants to pay to reverse it. we want liberty and freedom, you have no goddamn right to stop me from changing sex as much as i want

>>12214349
Kek the master class can do that because minorities are easily manipulated by the system since its something they never had. There is little sign that every ethnicity will actually band together to take down le corporate masters and will further develop it once problematic whiteys of whatever political lens are silenced.

>>12214440
If you are paying out your own pocket than go for it mangle dick

>>12214440
Not him but I’m not seeking that right, if you continue to conflate the criticism of the lgbtga community with someone seeking legislation you’re missing the big picture.

Not one sensible refutation of the anti-science and cultural community lie of the state of the community just some tangent of “MUH FREEDUMB U CANT TELL ME WHAT TAH DO IMMA CHOP MUH DIIICCKK”

>>12214395
>anti-human yet interested in my localized well being?
As I've said. only insofar and as long as it's conducive to its own goals. First wave of automation will be a sight to behold.
> I’m Comfortable with that in the short life I’m given
Well, good on you. Claiming that you're also saving the filthy stupid thirdies by having your cake is quite delusional though.

>>12213397
>The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and contradict their parents
-Socrates, a homosexual with a death wish from the 4th century B.C.

>>12214464
It’s ironic that we both agree on the first wave of automation, it will in fact be devastating. You’re wrong abou this being an American problem, if it isn’t us it’ll be China or someone down and down. If you belive in accelerationism you already know this. Our fate is sealed. Your emphatic autism about America and it’s history and preoccupation with it is only hurting you, in the end either one of us could be wrong but we both know what’s coming. Except I’m living the best life while you’re bitter and wasting your last days on drivel.

No, we are living in ghostmodernism. The victory of materialism has even the religious people secretly believing that death is certain and life is meaningless; ergo, we all live as ghosts do, floundering about in limbo waiting for our death.

I don't understand why so many rightist dislike post-modernism. Is Foucault pomo? You can pretty much read him and justify hanging gays in town square. Sounds pretty 'rad-trad', no?

>>12214512
except no rightist wants to manipulate some thinker's ouevre in order to justify hanging gays in town square.

>>12214478
I don't believe in accelerationism, but it is the ideology that fuels the minds of more than a few figures at the mast of American corporate machine, hence my lamenting. It's cute though, how desperately you try to convince yourself that you're having a merrier time than me and that your personal well-being somehow morally justifies any and all mechanism that provide for it.

>>12214062
>when the West runs the world it’s a more beautiful and less violent place.
Low quality bait

>>12214156
>the third world has been lifted out of poverty due to corporate influence
The third world was reduced to poverty by the west in the first place

>hypermodernity
>organized religion still exists
nope

>>12213397
>we're living in the end times, where males dress like females, females as males, people wish to die and where children disobey their parents
Thanks God we live in such nice times. Love my crossdressing

>>12214572
>organized religion still exists
nobady use that today

>>12213944
if you revise history we're living in the end times of our society, according to spengler

>>12214668
>end of times=end of white supremacy
god forbid no wonder you are willing to burn it all down before letting the women and brown people enter civilization

any sneeders in this thread? haha

in My opinion we live in the “age of symbolism” in which we seem to care a lot about things simply for what they represent and not anything tangible. Everything today is so general and impersonal and fake. People get mad at things not because they’re worth getting mad about, but just because it makes them feel better

>>12214035
A shit eating faggot calling someone else degenerate? Yikes.

>>12214562
>>12214558
>>12214536
No reason to samefag friend. I guess at the end of the day there’s really no way of knowing who’s truly “living a better life” but I can safely say I’m happy. And it also appears that your argument boils down to moral concerns which we clearly simply have different morals and it will be left at that.

However I am very intrigued at the idea of major corporate thinkers interested in accelerationism. You could make an argument in tech that they’ve been sold libertarianism for decades under the guise of “lol sex and weed dude!” But I feel they’ve largely rejected this. I’m sure there might be a few people influenced by land notably Bannon and Thiel but I hardly think they’re full blown Landian accelerationists specifically Bannon who’s a nationalist/populist. If you have some other information I’d love
To hear it ( btw I’m not a neoliberal conservative lol )

>>12214726

>>12214785
Good job.

>>12214712
The degenerate are the masses, you are part of them breeder.

>>12213959
What is your definition of a moral wrong

>>12214832
Moraitynis drawn from god therefore there’s no objective morality move along plz

>>12214484

>The sonic landscape of Ghost Modernism is littered with the detritus of past musical movements and guided by the phantom limbs of its revolutionary leaders. Recent technologies have made the graveyard all the more accessible to the living. The linear trajectory of time and all of its cremated entrails are sprayed across the vast fields of the World Wide Web, offering residents of this age a unique opportunity to experience multiple times simultaneously, never having to fully commit to one era or the next.

https://now-age.org/ghost-modernism/

>>12213397
this but this is actually post-modernism, which just seeks to reach the logical end point of modernism and modernity.

>>12213161
We live in pre-purge-of-postmodernists

>>12213193
This. Modernity is well alive. Doesn't matter if you point out round-earthers, anti-vaxxers or ultra SJWs. Those are all a tiny minority in this world. Modernity is now.

>>12214819
*dies out in one generation*

>>12213193
this
though I would argue post-modernism is not self-conscious modernism, but a mistaken term used by those who thought the collapse of 20th century regimes signaled the end, and not the reinforcement, or modernity

What a cute, sincere image and text combination. Good job, OP.

>>12213397
>we're living in the end times, where males dress like females, females as males, people wish to die and where children disobey their parents
Based

>>12213397
>the world is ending for reals this time

>>12215848
the world has 'ended' before, as in civilziation has mostly collapsed in a region

>>12213193
>>12213397
>>12213847
>>12213863
>>12213884
>>12213884

guys guys, apparently you dont notice the importance of social media and mass communication ergo the internet.

Yes, thanks to the internet, we live in a globalized, trend culture environtment in which humanity has never lived before. We are past and unlike anything humanity has ever experienced before the 1990s, this very act of posting on imageboards by strangers across the globe has never done before even by the greatist minds of every classic author you have read.


The effects? No one knows right now.

>>12213988
I'm American and I agree with this

>>12214475
Society has been in constant decline since the Ancient Greeks, prove me wrong

>>12213161
hypermodernity is a dead meme desu

>>12214475
you know Greek civilization collapsed lad, socrates was completely correct

>>12213397
Even Thor from like 1000 year old mythology crossdressed, if you can do that you're based and comfortable with your own masculinity. Dominant women have always wanted to be men too.
>We're living in the end times
We're shifting the lie of life and collectively accepting that it's incomprehensible.

>>12216514
Yeah, like 400 years later (if you define the collaspe of greek civilization as the fall of the last Macedonian empire), and even then it wasn't internal collaspe. Hell, post Socrates is probably the greatest era of all time for Greece.

>>12216985
>"miss"

>>12213161
Whatever happened to Altermodern?

>>12215905
>The effects? No one knows right now.
I dont give it more than 20 years till studies begin coming out, either way eerie and true

I want to kill myself but sure as hell I wish I didn't. The modern world sucks. Having no purpose sucks.

>>12217286
As bad as manual labor seems it provided purpose for people.

>>12217286
I almost want to want to kill myself, but actually, I want to live.

>>12213397
the grapes of wrath near harvest; we lay eyes upon the dying throes of a civilisation bound towards involution.

>>12213397
Stop believing this.

>>12213397
>where children disobey their parents
By Zeus Socrates, you're right!

>>12217012
>400 years later
>if you define the collaspe of the greek civilization as the fall of the "last" macedonian empire
you're fucking stupid

>>12213161
Retard here who's too lazy to look it up:

Is post-mod a subset of modernism? And is hyper-mod a subset of post-mod?

>>12215905
The internet is like culture on fast forward. We won't see anything new, just existing processes accelerated

>>12213884
People are dumb and need to be led by the hand to learn how to act good, if you give them too much freedom they'll just destroy themselves. The only people who thrive in such an environment are the extremely competitive because their competitive drive forces them to learn how to comport themselves and succeed socioeconomically. This creates a gay horrible world because the other 80% of the population, instead of being shaped well and becoming happy and productive and living up to their potential, are reduced to the miserable, confused, degenerate slaves of the 20%. Capitalism accelerates the trend toward this form of social organization dramatically.

>>12213884
Other anon are right. Faggotry is a relatively minor phenomenon, trans gender benders are at most a tertiary nuisance, but the open 'acceptance' is a good indicator of the very low level of expectations put on people right now.

>>12217474
what mechanisms do you think should be in place to counter this? a social safety net?

>>12213397
Go back to Facebook grandpa.

>>12214664
Inshaallah you'll be the next on the chopping block, anon.

>>12213161
Postmodern was the scrambling of the mind, what comes after it will be the reformation of it.

I believe that in the near future people will start believing in old things again except they will think about them differently. Science and religion will be reconciled in a way that we never thought possible before.

Religion will stop being seen as a bunch of mumbojumbo but rather as a means by which the psyche self-authors and knits itself together.

How this all works out depends on creative people and where they take it.

>>12213161
You're living in modernity, enjoy it while it lasts. You can feel the acceleration already.

>>12217971
I unironically believe that people need a Warhammer 40k Imperium ethos, we need someone that stops getting us to kill each other and focus on expanding into the frontiers of empirical space. People need conquest and a feeling of expanding human power to feel optimistic about the condition of the world.

But when you get people to believe in old fashioned things like a higher purpose, you often see a higher purpose. And that's what seems to be lacking in much of the world.

Everything that matters seems to be terminating in science and technology, but if science and technology can take and bend those valuable things, the old and the new can sort of fuck inside technology and be spat out as something more spectacular.

Technology isn't the end of meaning and purpose. It's where meaning and purpose get thrown into a big vat and super-heated until it melts into something else. What it forges into though needs to be collectively imagined and believed in.

People think about history as a traumatic experience from which only mistakes can be learned. That's a big mistake.

Modernism doesn't really have a coherent meaning.

You could mean 'modernity', maybe in the sense of just the newer world, but that has all kinds of different meanings too.

Or there might be older early 20th Century ideas about 'modernism' but which have very different takes and implications. Like literary modernism which is maybe associated with some simplifying down but also a lot to do with alienation and actually *not* usually being so enthusiastic about 'modern' / industrial life.

Or it could be meant in the sense of pre-world-war belief in utopian progress through industry and technology, which has all kinds of different ideological expressions.

Or modernism in art which really wasn't some coherent approach but basically just an umbrella term for early 20th Century until WWII. With a couple exceptions like Futurism or Suprematism very little of it was particularly about some enthusiastic sense of 'the modern' either. Much of it was if anything was more *coping* with the problems of modernity, or departing/'regressing' into the primal.

Like the most writings on postmodernism contrast it with some supposed 'modern' that was about 'the future' or single-minded belief or something, but if you actually know you're art history you know this is bullshit, and the writers are probably more just talking about communism and maybe a few social programs that got sold out. I mean modern artists and writers were super alienated and often a superstitious bunch.

tldr; the 'postmodernism' argument that implies some former 'modernism', by its linguistic logic greatly oversimplifies what said supposed modernism even was. It's more useful to just think of 'modernity' as in after the industrial and not having any more coherent meaning or reality than the bullshit 'postmodern' idea has.

>>12217813
1) Some form of institutionalized morality (like a strong Church) which can either mete out discipline for moral infractions itself or otherwise influence the secular government to do so, as well as inculcate that morality in the public consciousness such that people see the world and others' / their own behavior through a moral lens
2) Some kind of strong collective identity to reduce alienation and foster feelings of community. The Church used to serve this role in the West but nationalism also worked too

>>12213193
This. If you're a mid 20s, upper-middle class internet user, you may think that postmodernism is in full swing. However, the rest of the world hasn't caught up yet. Nobody in Laos has been affected by post-modernism yet, but you would be hard pressed to find someone who hasn't been affected by modernism.

The amount of terror in the world needs to be psychologically beaten back by everyone.

>>12213161
we are pre-machine ages

>>12217992
Sorry, darling, but the material world has laws which cannot accelerate to the speed of light. You can imagine infinite growth and capital hypertopia all you want, but there's a reason why Western architects only dream of building a palace to the moon and all the Chinese buildings are ghost cities with sandholes scattered throughout the columns.
We are slowing down, decelerating at an incredible rate. Some might even say we have already crashed and that it is only the lunatic belief in progress that keeps it going as fantasy. Take a step back and you will see a whole society of maintenance no longer even capable of keeping the tarps tied over the rotten foundation.
Capital ends once the value of all material becomes one.

While I am certain that bad times lie ahead, as in, apocalyptic kind of bad, I can still say that at the very least they'll interesting. So instead of a good future, an interesting one is on store for us; I'd prefer the former, but the latter will at least hold my attention.

>>12213999
> Indonesia would be plunged back down into violence and rape
What?

>>12217361
>right before the english civil war

NPC fleshbots will post this image over and over. Their programming has been set to grind until they drop

>>12214475
That's a fake quote you fucking retard

We will have peace of mind again once the relativists, who sow confusion and discontent for the sake of bringing about the revolution, are put up against the wall once and and for all

>>12213913
Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end.

>>12214381
>concerned with minority’s issues ( I’m not ).
>doesn’t mean I don’t believe in equality.

Do you even know what your saying

inb4 non white people arent people. Which if you honestly think don't @ me.

>>12219317
>Which if you honestly think don't @ me.
imagine being this gay

>>12213397
>"I know, everything is capitalism's fault!"

Blistering fucking insight anon, which institution fucked up and gave you your diploma?

>>12219338
Idiot.

>12219381
D: You say something like that again I might have to report you!
This unharmonic manner is not tolerated here!

>>12214050
>No reasonable researcher has even found such a dynamic where the public opinion is influenced by billion dollar business interests.

What is 'advertising'? I don't even have a Wojak capable of doing your post justice. You argue like someone who's memorized words instead of thinking about them.

>>12217428
"Post-modernism" was a french philosophical current that tried to inflate its importance by insisting that its conclusions marked a major global shift in our understanding of the world. "Modernism" was never in fact overcome by post-modernism. "Hyper-modernity" is an alternative explanation for what happens after modernity - i.e.: the same processes that exist in "Modernism" accelerate and intensify. In this sense, although "Post modernism" may be a symptom of this 'accelerated modernism' it is an exhausted philosophical current and ultimately offers little to a post-"Post-modern" understanding of the world. Whereas "Hypermodernism" - specifically because its meaning is still under construction and discovery - still may offer something to our understanding of the world going forward.

It is worth mentioning that 'acceleration' in the "Hypermodern" sense is less "accelerated" than the 'acceleration' discussed in the various Landian threads on this board.

>>12219674
land's accelerationism is giving us a sneak peek of late-stage hypermodernism.

>>12219674
Thanks for that, Anon. I'm interested now. Where can I start to learn about hypermodernism? In the future, do you think it's going to be something that's going to be as widely taught as modernism is today?

>>12213161
>postmodernity is done?
yes
>>12213193
>There is nothing to suggest that even modernism is done.
yes

"postmodernism" was just a false alarm

>>12214639
cucked, but redpilled

why is this thread here but.land thread got deleted

the moderators are utterly incompetent

yes postmodernism ended around the 90s when we switched to digital/hyperspace. we are living in hypermodernity now.

>>12220404
Land has a scent of alt-rightishness

You guys are not gonna like this, but we live in the Meme Age now. And that is how our period will be remembered.

>>12219713
If Land is correct then that is true, but prediction is a slippery bitch.

>>12219757
My favorite author of hypermodernity is Peter Sloterdijk, any of his works that address "anthropotechnics" may be regarded as 'about hypermodernism' in some sense. His book Spheres 2: Globes (you don't have to have read Spheres 1 in this case) writes the history of "Globalization" - the process that is being accelerated - as an ideational project.

>In the future, do you think it [hypermodernism] is going to be something that's going to be as widely taught as modernism is today?
I think so but probably it will have a different name by then and will have been subdivided into multiple new schools of analysis so from our perspective it might be hard to recognize even if, in retrospect, it becomes obvious that that IS what we were discussing.

> ANOTHER NICK LAND THREAD DELETED.

yeah fuck you

>>12221119
ebin

>>12213397
None of that means anything.

So what if a male dressed like a female, it's all made up anyway. Men used to wear skirt like clothing, then horse riding became a thing so they switched to pants. There is nothing inherently female or male about clothing and it certainly doesn't signify the "end times".

>>12217971
>I believe that in the near future people will start believing in old things again except they will think about them differently. Science and religion will be reconciled in a way that we never thought possible before.
>Religion will stop being seen as a bunch of mumbojumbo but rather as a means by which the psyche self-authors and knits itself together.
This, based post

>>12213397
we're approaching the grey mass of singularity

>>12214685
LOL FUCK AND SUCK HAHA

>>12213944
>>literally nothing wrong with any of that. seems like they are perfectly natural expressions of free will to me.
Sin Is slavery; subhuman

>>12218043
How is this relevant? Probably less than 10 relatively small countries were affected by the Enlightenment or the Renaissance while Laos was still in the dark ages.

>>12213863
Like .02% of the population do it now, it’s just more of a talking point because the stigma is disappearing and that can almost never happen with out some sort of fuss for the early years

>>12221813
JUST LIKE homosexuality.

Soon there will be fuss over pedos in the .02% of population before USA universities push it into government agenda to treat them with literal kid gloves

>>12221762
> blocks your path