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He was doin das Gay for Gay's sake.

>>12205535
No, but God knew he was gonna screw over Jesus and sent him anyway. God knew the whole story from day 1.

Judas is a mechanism, the machine would be incomplete without him.

>>12205828
>>12205825
so did he truly choose to betray jesus? or was it predestined by our lord?

>>12205535
Yes, unknowingly. But so was Jesus, knowingly.

>>12206215
Man. Sent to Hell on a technicality

>>12206228
>sent to hell
oh ho ho ho... are you pretending to know the mind of God, anon? :^)

>>12206210
everyone chooses. God does not force things. God does not need to force things, because things (your obstinate free will) force themselves. ergo, if not judas, then greater humanity, because mankind is largely a sinful and perverse collective.

>>12205825
>be god
>be omniscient
>anytime a person is born you know if the go to heaven or hell
>proceed to create a theatrical performance pretending you're judging people
The judgement day is a kangaroo court.

>>12206228
he could have repented. we don't know if he really is in hell.

>>12207446
>he could have repented
didn't jesus forgive him?

>>12206228
He was sent to hell because he killed himself

>>12207446
he did repent

Matthew 27:3

Judas is a useful figure for seeing the arbitariness of judgement. He is condemned for being what he is and doing what he does.

He is a necessary figure.

Free will was a gift to Man.

God didn't give the angels free will.

Let that sink in.

>>12206801
That's not true. Just because God knows what you are going to do does not mean you won't freely choose to do it. You are not predistined to sin, but God knew your sins even before you were born.

>>12207512
this

>>12205535
read Three Versions of Judas by Borges

>>12205535
listen to jesus christ superstar

>>12209364
Run me through that logic. All our actions are predestined, this is a requirement of an omniscient god. Either the future is certain and can be predicted, or it's uncertain and it can't. Since God is omniscient, it must be certain. Which means you can't do anything outside of what you are going to do. Which means every sin is predetermined. Which means God makes sinners and then punishes them. But why? Not as a warning against sin, since it's impossible not to (unless you were predetermined to never sin, in which case, congratulations on being Jesus). So I guess God does it just because he can, which is fair enough for an omnipotent being who can do what he wants, but don't ask me to pretend he's a fair and just being.

>>12208382
I dunno, God could have had the Romans find Jesus by accident, rather than condemning a man to hell for fulfilling the role God set for him personally.

>>12209479
god gives us the benefit of the doubt

>That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-
—Qur'an, sura 4 (An-Nisa)

>Qur'an 3:54—And they (the unbelievers) planned to deceive (Jesus), and Allah planned to deceive (the unbelievers), but Allah is truly the most sublime of deceivers

>>12209479
Your logic is fundamentally flawed. The future is not certain for us, because we live in this world. But the future is certain for God, because he exists outside of time. My theory is that time is merely something of this world, which means that heaven is timeless and eternal. This means that in heaven, the future plays at the same time as the past and the present. This means that God exists in a place where you have already died long ago and have already made all the decisions you are going to make. This means that the future is uncertain and can't be predicted. But this also means that God merely looks back on your future decisions in hindsight. If time works the same way in heaven as it does on earth, you are correct, there can't be free will.