/lit/ - Literature

>>12205482
>make the work lose all it's edge
You have to go back.

The average Japanese is a moron just like the average English speaker who can't understand Shakespeare or Milton

>>12205493
You have to go back to grade school if you think all the sentiments are carried out the same in the original language and a translation.

Is it Shakespeare level Japanese or is it more like Beowulf or Canterbury Tales?

>>12205522
You have to back if you think learning a non-native language post-formative years is any different than reading a translation.

>>12205482
>805 pages

someone isn't reading the Tyler translation

>>12205496
Some illiterate people are smarter than literate people

>>12205553
>comparing beowulf to canterbury tales

Canterbury Tales is still easily readable for someone with English as a first language.

>>12205761
I didn't compare them, I just gave two examples of harder English literature than Shakespeare

>>12205748
an dey can read beter huh huh huh

>>12205619
This sounds like an excuse from someone who has tried and failed to learn a language post-formative years

>>12205482
>>805 pages
What has that got to do with anything?
>>"...written in archaic language and a poetic and confusing style that make it unreadable to the average Japanese without dedicated study"
Are you implying that its unreadable language is a part of its aesthetics? I'm pretty sure that the original readers comprehended it well enough. If I comprehend it well enough as well - that's certainly good. If the translator captures enough of the original style and beauty to make me enjoy that dimension of the text, that's also good.
>>Convoluted as fuck
Mostly because it's got a ton of characters that aren't defined all too well and weird treatment of time.

>Why would you do this to yourself?
Now I shall utter four words that will strike terror into your pseud heart:
because I like it
even when I don't understand it; I actually really like all those poetic references that I don't get, they're beautiful in their incomprehensibility

>>12205482
Have you tried the Washburn translation? It's supposed to be the most readable.

>>12205818
When you learn a language post-formative years you learn by translation into your native language. Tell me how that’s any different than reading a translation. I’d rather trust someone who has studied the language, most likely spoken it from birth as well as English than my own ability to translate after learning a language.

>>12206734
That's more then 4 words you chad.

>>12205482
I read some excerpts for a class and it was pretty gud

>>12205482
Maybe I'll read Genji
I'm already Genji!

>>12205482
Tale of Genji, by Anonymous

I need
Healing

>>12207145
No.
I speak 4 languages 2 of wich I have learned after my formative years. I regulary dream in them and think in them.

>>12208333
So does everyone who learns a language lmao. But that still doesn’t mean your knowledge of that language isn’t based off of a translation of your own, which it is.

>>12208483
You must be retarded.
By definition If I spontaneously think in a language I've learned I'm not translating What I'm thinking from my native language to that one.

>>12205482
It's fucking awful. Its only merit is being one of the first novels ever written.

>>12208483
So you're implying that foreign words that have no equivalent in my native language cannot be comprehended? Are you seriously this retarded?

>>12208574
Shit taste, tbqh famm

>>12205482
>>English speaking readers still try to read it
translations are easier to read than the original, retard

>>12208483
>But that still doesn’t mean your knowledge of that language isn’t based off of a translation of your own, which it is.

it's really funny when monolinguals try to imagine what knowing more than one language is like