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TL;DR: Moses smoked weed - prove me wrong

Lol this is interesting. Thanks for an idea for my next short story

Weed smoking serves no spiritual purpose in any culture, it's never been anything more than a vice.

They smoked up all the mandrakes mon

Good job OP, this is a real over-played Joe Rogan-esque idea, but you did a good job supporting it.
Deep down in my intuition I've also always believed this though, even if i did not have the evidence.

>>12193229
>imagine being this much of a stickler over your concept of spirituality (aka make-believe)

>>12193198
I think that burning bush interpretation is off, but it's definitely not crazy comparing drug experiences to spiritual ones. It's also not crazy saying one is just a weaker or even fake version of the other

>>12193305
Why do you think its off? Every other interpretation I've seen seems like more of a stretch

>>12193271

Not only that, but they guy you're replying to is simply wrong.

>>12193229

>>12193229
How do you know? Intoxication in many other forms has always been considered a sacred rite. Somebody forgot to start with the Greeks ...

>>12194840
What people don't seem to realize is that this is merely the Indian version of a bum and not a spiritual scholar. Any decent Indian Person will Look down on someone like him just as you look down on hobos drinking malt liquor out of paper bags.

It's mentioned in Herodotus too

I smoked 7 CBD joints yesterday and haven't felt a thing, zero. SMDH at anyone paying money for that shit.

>>12195220
>decent
This is the operative word in your sentence. Popular morals are not necessarily conducive to knowing god.

>>12193229
That's not even slightly true though; various types of hallucinogenic substances have been cornerstones of "vision quest/journey to official manhood in the tribe" rituals all over the world for millennia. That doesn't mean I'm advocating for "whoa dude weed-spiritualism xD lmao" or anything, it's just objective fact.

>>12193198
>Why isn't there more scholarship on this/people talking about this?

There is, but not that much because Christians and Jews (and Muslims, but less of the latter because they don't occupy much space in western peer-reviewed publications) tend to get touchy about the historicity of their faith. Even Jews, who are easily the most willing of the three to look into that sort of stuff, are still largely in denial about Exodus not happening and the Hebrew faith being a polytheistic religion which wasn't really any different from any of the other Levantine faiths in the same time period until they retconned themselves into being monotheistic after the Persian conquest introduced them to Zoroastrianism (the idea that God is "schizophrenic" in the OT is because Yahweh and El were two very different deities, one being a war god and the other a loving father-figure).

>>12195253
CBD is usually maximized where THC is minimized. Many of the medicinal uses are from CBD rather than THC, which is the active ingredient that makes you high.

>>12195350
Are you getting this shit from Moses and Monotheism?

>>12195253
My cousin injected 20 pot needles and died from overdose FML

If you wanna here something real goofy Jesus was a mushroom! hahaha religion am I right???

Uh, no, you really have to stretch all of these examples to make it look like smoking weed. Unless you have any specific examples of them smoking from a pipe or something with the direct intent to inhale, your entire post is nothing more than "DUDE WEED" wishful thinking.

>>12193271
>Dude, spirituality ain't real, man...it's just like, atoms, floating around in your brain, you know? Just gotta like, go to work, buy material items, then die and return to nonexistence, you know?

>>12195388
What if they smoked from a pipe but said they didn't inhale for political reasons

>>12195388
The burning bush was definitely an acid trip lmao how else would you explain it?

>>12195220
Wrong, religious mendicants are still widely respected in India and most people in India don't see anything wrong with weed, they believe Shiva created hashish and they all get stoned on weed drinks on a certain holiday.

stoners are worse than we wuz kangs, always trying to make the entirety of history about their drug addiction

>>12195253
I'm sure you know this, but for any who do not, CBD is the anxiolytic, anti-psychotic agent in marijuana and as such is not very intoxicating. THC, on the other hand, is a pro-psychotic hallucinogen that gets you high. CBD varieties are used in medicinal preparations for people with illnesses.

>>12195228
Details?

>>12195388
How is a vision from a burning bush more likely to be a metaphor for the nation of Israel than it is to be a literal vision from a literal burning bush?

>>12195619
Histories 4.73

After the burial the Scythians cleanse themselves as follows: they anoint and wash their heads and, for their bodies, set up three poles leaning together to a point and cover these over with wool mats (περὶ ταῦτα πίλους εἰρινέους περιτείνουσι); then, in the space so enclosed to the best of their ability, they make a pit in the center beneath the poles and the mats and throw red-hot stones into it. . . . the Scythians then take the seed of this kάνναβις (kannabis) and, crawling into the tents, throw it on the red-hot stones, where it smoulders and sends forth such fumes that no Greek vapor-bath (πυρία) could surpass it. The Scythians howl in their joy at the vapor-bath

kikes do love smoking reefer ill give you that

>>12195673
>>>/pol/

>>12195681
what they do

>>12193198
incense

>I can't find much on this
>What is the biblical myrrh debacle
Heh, you have no idea the wormhole you're up against

>>12193198
Daniel ate some moldy bread

Does this help suggest that YWHW or the other deities were higher-dimensional beings, like the kind which DMT users have seen?

The imagery of Ezekiel's wheel, with the eyes all down the rims, is similar to the DMT imagery you'll see online by artists who took the substance.

>>12195332
How are weed and hallucinogenic substances related?

>>12195220
sadhus are still a respected religious class in India

People always have, and always will, like getting high.

>>12196903
hashish eating is one of the oldest psychedelic practices

I knew some "Rastafarians" who claimed this often. They put a lot of emphasis on herbs in the old testament. They also claimed that the shape of a menorah is supposed to represent a cannabis plant. I put Rastafarians in quotes because they were mostly just dogmatic unshaven white guys who smoked weed and spoke hebrew.

A lot of "brahmins" in india are just bums who take pictures with you for money. Real sadhus only get high by chanting vedic mantras for hours

>>12196903
Weed can act as a mild hallucinogen

>>12197431
no

>>12195391
but i do feel this way.

>anti-drug religous fags getting mad that their whole lives are based on degenerate lies
Wow it's like a whole new, novel concept, i sure hope they're okay

>>12195350
This sounds interesting. Any books to start with?

>>12195405
As the divine? that's like saying everyone in the NT was tripping out watching Jesus Miracles. either you believe it to be god interacting with man or its just stories.

>>12198692
>the divine
>real
>not a metaphor
cringe.jpg desu

>>12198755

>>12198773
that's you though.

>>12198784
No. I posted it as a response to you, its you pal.

>>12198790
>invisible wind churning the mill of the mind
>not a foolish pseudo-agnostic position
cringe2.jpg

Theres a part in the bible that describes how to make hash oil to burn in the temples. List of ingredients and amounts.

>>12198810
here we go, http://www.herbmuseum.ca/content/keneh-bosem-exodus-3023

>>12193198
That's sort of like how Hinduism started. There were these shamans who would hang out in caves and basically just smoke ganja all day long, and after a while, scribes began to write down their drug-induced ramblings. These writings became known as the Vedic texts and would eventually form the basis of Hindu thought.

>>12198810

Indeed. The references to cannabis in the original Hebrew text are astounding. The Ancient Israelites literally used ornamental bongs for their temple rituals. Flower, hashish, tincture, oil, and more.

There are even specific references to it in the original Leviticus text, detailing priestly purification rituals involving the use of cannabis oil.

>>12193198
Smoke inhalation.
The belief that g-d(s) appears in smoke is quite ancient, read about Sumerians and their rituals or even newer ones like Greeks. They were usually burning sacrifices in closed, rather small rooms so it doesn't have to be a particular kind of plant, smoke is sufficient

Not weed but some other hallucinogenic plant for sure

>>12200493
What entheogenic plant is native to that area or at least something the Bible writers could've got their hands on?

>>12201398
Curious about this too. Also what grows in the desert? Where does cannabis grow naturally?

>>12201398
the burning bush could have been acacia which has dmt but it's a real stretch

one of the oil/incenses of the Israelites called "kaneh bosm". historically they thought it was a reed, but some jewess from poland thinks its pot.

https://www.cannabisculture.com/content/1996/05/01/1090/

>>12193198
>Since all life derives from the divine seed, it follows that the most powerful healing drug would be the pure, unadulterated semen of the god. Some plants were thought to have sap or resin approximating to this, their "purity" or "sanctity" in this regard being measured by their power as drugs to kill or cure or intoxicate. In Sumerian the words for "live" and "intoxicate" are the same, TIN, and the "tree of life", GEShTIN, is the "vine". Similarly in the Greek oinos and the Hebrew yayin, "wine", there is probably a common Sumerian root *IA-U-NU, "seman-seed."

>The use of the name Jesus (Greek iesus) as an invocation for healing was appropriate enough. Its Hebrew original, yehoshua', Joshua, comes from Sumerian *IA-U-ShU-A(ShUSh), "semen, which saves, restores, heals".

>>12203538
Even the reed it was originally thought to be, Calamus, is psychoactive and apparently especially so when combined with other essential oils that mess with your liver enzymes according to "oilhuasca" shit that people apparently get high off. Even if the other ingredients of holy annointing oil don't fit the description of making calamus more orally active, the stuff could still be entheogenic without the weed.

>>12193198
>but I'm surprised at how little I can find on the subject. It seems to me this whole aspect of history Jewish history has been erased.
Yeah probably because it didn’t happen

>>12195405
So everyone in Egypt was just joining Moses on his trip when all the plagues came upon them?

Like the other guy said, it’s either the power of God or everything in the text is a madeup story. Believing the plagues as real but not the bush is a stupid position. If God can make all sorts of plagues happen, why can’t he make a burning bush?

>>12193198
I'm not really going to nitpick this too hard. The biggest barrier you would need to overcome is interpreting the term "נָבָא" to mean "smoke dank hash." I doubt that would work very well since it's also used as "to prophesy" "to guide" "to give advice" and so on. Interpreting it as "to smoke weed" would be a really big jump.

It's noun form "נָבִיא" also means "prophet" which you'd need to interpret as "smoker of dank Mary Jane." Difficulty arises when it's used to mean things like "statesman", "guide," "advisor," as well as "prophet/speaker."

The tl;dr here is that the nun-vet root (prophet) simply doesn't have much to do with smoking weed, and this can be gathered even from context.

The second barrier would be explaining all of the instances where prophecies arise without sensible attribution to marijuana. What about Jacob's dreams? Surely the Egyptians didn't give him weed in the dungeons. Here are a couple other examples off the top of my head. it doesn't make sense for Job to be smoking weed (as he is destitute), yet he speaks to God at length. What about Elijah's bet to the followers of Baal, where fire comes after the prophecy?
imo this interpretation leaves too much to be considered to be taken seriously.

>>12197374
The Jamaican and Ethiopian Rastafarians I met in Israel claimed to be "followers of Jesus," were mostly Pauline w/ respect to the Old Testament and gave Revelations 22:2 as their justification for smoking weed.