/lit/ - Literature

Is there any way we can meddle with the brains of STEM people to turn them into the philosophical zombies they so obviously want to be. I am absolutely one hundred and ten percent serious about this. It really is worth considering that we should look into some method of removing all the functions of the brain which allow STEMfags to do anything other than whatever they need for their autistic little field. Honestly. Give me a mathematician and an ice cream scoop and half an hour. Love and passion, nope not using it, you don't need it (SCOOOP). Desire for meaning and authenticity, don't think you even knew you had this (SCOOOOOOP). Basic ethical and aesthetic sensibilities, well known to any well-adjusted three your old, you certainly won't miss this (SCOOOOOOOOOOP). Then we screw the top of his head back on and marvel at our creation: the ideal STEMfag, reduced to his essential part, a human calculator in the case of our mathematician. And I genuinely believe that he would thank me if he could. This is all STEMfags want to be, this is all they're really capable of being.

Give them all to me and with an ice cream scoop I'll fix all their problems. They won't have to worry about any of the dastardly, irritating aspects of life, such as beauty, or religious hope, or virtue, or even sensuality (which will be merely sense-data once I'm done with my scoop).

You really do have to understand, noble reader, that this isn't even in the slightest a cruel thing to do. It's removing from them those things which would do nothing but bother and irritate them till the end of their days. They don't want these things which are so valuable to you and I, noble reader. In fact, their every utterance is a plea to the universe to "reduce" and "eliminate" and simplify and I, and my trusted associates at the clinic, with our scoops would do nothing more than give them that freedom from unnecessaries that they so desire.

It's a perfect solution, which frees us from having to listen to their opinions on things outside of objectively measurable phenomena pertaining to their field and their field alone, and it frees them from the distractions, such as moral intuitions and human consciousness, which they are so disturbed by that they need to deny the very existence of these things.

Just picture it, thousands upon thousands of STEMfags walking out the clinic back towards their test tubes or whatever they do. Imagine the grotesque rictus smiles on their chinless anglo faces. "I'm finally free", they would think, were they not indeed finally free from that thing which they felt most keenly to be a burden on them, qualia, human consciousness, and all the beauty, passion, love, emotion, all the duty, the sense of virtues, the religious hunger, the ups and downs and bends and curves of being human, all that aesthetic, moral, spiritual... noise, which plagued them like tinnitus until my act of kindness.

>>12157557
Is this copypasta, lol?

>>12157557
Fucking lol, why do philosofags get so butthurt about STEMlords? Is it physics envy I smell?

>>12157580
t.

>>12157557
Well done. This should be posted in every thread on Ayn Rand/analytic "philosophy" from this point forward.

>>12157594
Such a fucking edgelord.

>diverting from the discussion about the merits of an integral philosopher whose theories are not directly anti-ethical to philosophy itself
>brainlets thinking that Popper was a hard positivist and hated philosophy instead of being one of the most important personalities of 20th Century philosophy
What's going on /lit/? Don't judge a book by its cover.

>>12157603

>>12157594
I meant real physics, not magic space black bill nye """"physics"""". As in people who actually publish papers and do research.

>>12157638
>Imagine a world in which we are all enlightened by objective truths rather than offended by them
*post racial IQ averages*

>>12157656
The thing is NdGT is about as legit of a physicist as you can get. He just also has a nice mustache and will spank me about antivaxxing

>>12157656
physics, and science too, is about smoking weed and looking at the stars.

change my mind

>>12157677
Can we fucking talk about Popper for christ's sake?

>>12157689
t.

>>12157656
>Implying
Jordan Peterson actually publishes papers and does research as well.

No, read The Open Society and It's Enemies.

>>12157764
>No, read The Open Society and It's Enemies.
I haven't read it, but from what I can tell from a brief overview of it on wikipedia, he seems to be right on point as well. Am I just being biased or something? I think he had some pretty good points on the damage of Plato's political thought and his criticism of Marxism.

>>12157696
BUT ITS BAD REDEARCH REEEEEEEE

>>12157625
>one of the most important personalities of 20th Century philosophy
YIKES!

He was wrong about Freudism not being a science.

Keep the two-bit jews off /lit/ plz ty, faggots.

>>12157794
>He was wrong about Freudism not being a science.
You are memeing, right?

>>12157625
"Although Popper was an advocate of toleration, he said that intolerance should not be tolerated, for if tolerance allowed intolerance to succeed completely, tolerance would be threatened."

D e r E w i g e _ _ _ _

>>12157844
He's not wrong though. Have you never fucking read Giacomo Leopardi?

"No human trait deserves less tolerance in everyday life, and gets less, than intolerance."

Anti-Semitic faggot.

>>12157769
I think Popper makes the mistake of reading The Republic too literally as a work of political philosophy. The entire premise of the work is to use the republic as an allegory of the soul, something Socrates makes repeated mention of throughout the text. The Republics class structure (Philosopher King, Guardians, Workers) is identical to the Tripartite Theory of the Soul (Wisdom, Justice, Appetite) found in Phaedrus, which suggests that Plato means the structure to be indication of how one should govern their own life (Reason rules Appetite with the aid of Justice). Plato's "noble lie" where he tells of people being made of different metals can be contextualised with a segment from 'Cratylus'
>SOCRATES: Do you know what Hesiod says daemons are?
>HERMOGENES: No, I don’t remember.
>SOCRATES: Do you remember that he speaks of a golden race, which was the first race of human beings to be born?
>HERMOGENES: Yes, I remember that.
>SOCRATES: He says this about it:
>Since this race has been eclipsed by fate,
>They are called sacred daemons;
>They live on earth and are good,
>Warding off evil and guarding mortal men.
>HERMOGENES: So what?
>SOCRATES: Well, I don’t think he’s saying that the golden race is by nature made of gold, but that it is good and fine. I consider it a proof of this that he calls us a race of iron.
>HERMOGENES: That’s true.
>SOCRATES: So don’t you think that if someone who presently exists were good, Hesiod would say that he too belonged to the golden race?
>HERMOGENES: He probably would.
>SOCRATES: Are good people any different from wise ones?
>HERMOGENES:No, they aren’t.
>SOCRATES: It is principally because daemons are wise and knowing (dae-mones), I think, that Hesiod says they are named ‘daemons’(‘daimones’).In our older Attic dialect, we actually find the word 'dae-mones’ So, Hesiod and many other poets speak well when they say that when a good man dies, he has a great destiny and a great honor and becomes a ‘daemon', which is a name given to him because it accords with wisdom. And I myself assert, indeed, that every good man, whether alive or dead, is daemonic, and is correctly called a daemon
And i do think that Socrates' Daemon is a representative of his Wisdom. So being imbued with gold is as much to say that you should be wise and good, and the dictatorship of the philosopher king is as much to say that an individual should be ruled by reason (a very prevalent theme in all of Plato's dialogues). This is what i mean by suggesting that Popper reads Plato far too literally, and it makes his claims to being able to sort Plato's and Socrates' views quite dubious.
There are a myriad of other problems with the book as well.

>>12157869
>Anti-Semitic
How is that an insult?

>>12157660
based

>>12157544
Nope. See pic rel.

You can't falsify a hypothesis, you can only ever falsify a certain operationalization of a hypothesis and afterwards claim the operationalization was wrong. So his modus operandi doesn't amount to anything.

>>12157557
really makes you think

>>12158374
>he doesn't know
>>/lit/thread/S11479557#p11481653

>>12157594
>pagan holiday becomes religious holiday
what the fuck does he think paganism is?

>>12157629
>whoa man, like, what if there were no borders and no countries man, there would like be world peace

bump

>>12157844
The only thing I know about Popper is his "falsifiability" stuff.

What would he have said if he knew his argument would be used by intolerant people to silence people they disagree with simply by labeling them intolerant?

>>12157557
based and redpilled

>>12157557
Nice neurochemically-driven anger response. Keep dreaming.

>>12158374
everything is from reddit

>>12158406
Lol

>>12157544
I think Karl Popper was secretly a crypto-fascist like Foucault. Think about it: Who else could come up with something as genius as the paradox of intolerance? And his scientific methodology could best be described as eternal war transposed into the domain of the idea.

> Based cryptofascist Popper

Karl Pooper