/lit/ - Literature

the only Americans who even know what The Aeneid is are the ones who attended a decent university whose English curriculum included it

>>12117330
you're right, it's actually promoting open borders
right comrade?

>>12117394
Have you never read the Aeneid? Who is the protoganist of the story, what is his background, and why does he go to Italy? Please be a falseflagger, I don't want to believe you are actually this much of a brainlet.

>>12117401
hmm?

>>12117330
Its quite complicated in the Aeneid. The Trojans are shown to be civilizing an untamed land and bringing names to unnamed places. In this sense it is about colonization and imperialism but there is also a respect shown for the indigenous Latin peoples. They are shown mostly as a hardy but simple people. The Trojans are more like conquerors than immigrants.

>>12117442
>The Trojans are shown to be civilizing an untamed land and bringing names to unnamed places.

The actual problem is that the Aeneid too closely reflects the founding myth of America's legacy population. The America of Ellis Island and El Norte considers the America of Plymouth Rock a sort of Lovecraftian horror from another time.

>>12117535
sorry, i agree they are similar, but what is the problem?

>>12117330
>It's yet another "newfag feels the need to complain about /pol/ outside of /pol/ or /qa/" episode
Please, return to whatever corner of the internet you came from.

>>12117330
>Be me
>Not some retarded partisan like OP
>read blog post
>It's well written and cited

I mean saying it's anti-immigrant is a bit of stretch, it simply records the central mythology of two opposing ethnic enclave's vying for power in the wake of some catacylsm.

>>12117566
The old conception of America was that a handful of Europeans (with some slaves, shout-out) carved a new nation out of a wilderness more or less lightly populated by savages (this is Aeneas). This new nation asserted its independence and sovereignty against enemies both foreign and domestic by skill and valor at arms. Blessed by God (Virgil: the gods) with a new land (America: an entire fucking continent) these people eventually established themselves into a great nation (Rome, America).

This narrative poses (or rather, posed) several problems for our new elites. For one thing, it literally states that legacy Americans built America. It very strongly implies that this legacy population "earned" and "deserves" America, which literally anyone can see is quite a juicy plum. A bit more indirectly but still pretty obviously, it implies that "Americans" are a distinct people with origins in specific past events, even if they didn't always exist.

The new narrative is that America is "the land of opportunity", a "nation of immigrants" where "American" is a specifically non-ethnic term.

it is dumb but any premodern people would be considered horribly racist by today's standards. anyone existing before the 1960s would also be considered horribly racist by today's standards. it go without saying that an ancient culture who conquered, raped, and enslaved entire peoples probably wouldn't have favored replacement level immigration from peoples they would have considered barbarians.

>>12117372
Even Americans can't be *that* uncultured

>Aeneas the Anatolian refugee brings death, plague, divine punishment and destruction to everywhere he tries to settle.
>but in the end we get Rome, as divinely ordained
It's pretty complicated.

>>12118913
Those aren't literally the only people, homeschooled children probably read it in the original. But yeah, probably 90+% have never heard of it.

>>12119304
>homeschooled children probably read it in the original.

Why does everyone overrate the abilities of the average homeschooler? I've met a lot in my life, most are about as intelligent as the average public school kid, although much less well-adjusted. I can assure you the vast majority of homeschool children are NOT learning Latin.

>>12119323
Homeschooled children live in a bubble

>>12118812
Excellent and very based post