/lit/ - Literature

>>12107515
who the fuck is stan lee? did he invent capeshit or something?

>>12107515

>>12107551
nah, he ripped off DC's characters and appropiated Marvel's artists' characters. basically the Thomas Alva Edison of comics.

>>12107515
A good writer? No. America's greatest writer? Undoubtedly yes.

>>12107599
>>12107515
Jesus Christ

>>12107515
Not the writer America needs, but the writer America deserves.

>>12107515
Wait, his name was Stan Lee??? I always though it was Stanley. I must've looked like an idiot this whole time ffs.

>>12107515
This is ridiculous on numerous levels. First of all, he wasn't even the best American genre fiction writer of the 20th century. H. P. Lovecraft, Robert E. Howard, Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, and Robert A. Heinlein are just a few examples of superior American genre fiction writers. Secondly, most of his greatest creations were co-created by Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko. Lee would've never become such a huge success without them. And finally, it should go without saying that a fucking comic book writer isn't America's greatest writer. I can't tell if National Review are retarded or fishing for clicks.
>>12107599
Damn...

>the national review
why are you surprised?

>>12107515
He was just a business man. That's it.

>>12107515
He wasn't even Burgerland's best comic writer, not even the best Marvel writer.

>>12107682
>fishing for clicks
that's journalism in 2018

>>12107682
>I can't tell if National Review are retarded or fishing for clicks.
Both

>There are people who believe the N*tional Review is the preeminent intellectual outlet for American conservativism

>>12107599
oh shit

>>12107515
When did neocons develop such shit taste? Highbrow reactionaries are supposed have an appreciation for culture. I will defend Armond White and Dinesh D'Souza's on the basis of their masterful trolling, but this time the National Review has gone too far

>>12107650
>>>12107515 (OP)
>Wait, his name was Stan Lee??? I always though it was Stanley. I must've looked like an idiot this whole time ffs.
lol what a pseud, never going to make it

I don't get it why superheros are so popular in north america. Is always the same story over and over again. And is nothing new at all, you can even find the same story in the bible or in the greeks.

>>12107599
Damn... amerimongrels btfo

>>12107515
>neocons praise sjw writer
We're in the dumbest timeline

>>12107650
>>12107740
His birth name is actually Stanley Martin Lieber. A Jew by birth.

>>12107749
Don’t put the subtlety of the Greeks and Hebrews on the same level as this garbage

>>12107515
NR just likes him cause he shat on Muslims

>>12107551
If you're serious, I feel for you. You live far away from cultured land.

>>12107840
>Stan Lee
>SJW
He was over 90 years old when he died. I think it's safe to say he didn't blindly buy into modern identity politics.

>>12108179
People keep on bringing up a panel where he said the best method to stop bigotry is to expose it. But I doubt he would ever agree to the current methods being used by the far-left.

>>12107749
We have to repackage everything in a nice wholesome family friendly box because this country just wants validation for itself

>>12107515
Fuck Stan Lee and fuck those disgusting American comics. Soulless trash.

>>12107515
Influential? Sure, within his genre, i.e. superhero stories.

Popular? Eh, depends on your metrics. Comics have always been niche, and even though people watch movies and read comics featuring his creations, few have read anything actually written by the man. So not really that popular.

Great writer? Not really. As someone who has read superhero comics, I wouldn't put Stan even in the top 50 within the genre. Probably wouldn't even put him in the top 100.

>>12107579
>Thomas Edison is just a meme, meme

Fuck off

>>12107515
Don’t be contrarians you pseuds. This man, along with a few others, literally created modern day American Mythology. I’m not sure you realize the significance of his creations but give it another 15-20 years and you will. You were lucky enough to see a modern day Homer and yet refuse to acknowledge the man’s brilliance.

>>12108358
>I’m not sure you realize the significance of his creations but give it another 15-20 years and you will
Capeshit has already peaked, though.

Anyone who has any suggestion for an alternative Greatest American Writer just tell me if creating a 100% ubiquitous national mythos is on their CV, then we can talk about it

I'll wait

>>12108358
>, literally created modern day American Mythology

>>12107515
No, Jack Kirby was. Fourth World was better than anything Lee wrote.

>>12108924
George Lucas

>>12107739
>When did neocons develop such shit taste
Uh, always? They try to be hip to pop culture so liberals will like them, but it never works.

>>12107739
>neocons
>highbrow reactionaries

>>12108977
I second Anon’s opinion.

Lucas is the most influential creator of the last 100 years.

The prequels rock btw

Everything with Stan’s name on it would’ve been better without any of the text.

>>12107515
>The National Hebrew

into the oven it goes

>>12107515
Please can we not do this on /lit/? I'm not a fan of comics-related stuff typically but I also don't want to see this man dragged through the mud by a bunch of angry incel /lit/ retards. He's passed away after influencing and inspiring many people, is there any harm in that? If you really want to discuss this please go take it to /co/ or /tv/ or something, but please let's just be civil and not fling mud at the guy.

test

>>12110711
It's a relic of the assembly line method of comic production. The writer is always the talentless friend/relative of one of the editors and feels the need to cram as much text as he can onto the page until he feels he's contributed as much as the penciller/inker/colorist. Of course, the average /co/mrade sucks that diarrhea down, but it's jarring to anyone else.

As an aside, it's also one of the many reasons why manga is out-competing comics at every level except at the movies.

>>12107515
What is it that makes people worship other people just because they died?

>>12110747
Nothing fixates a cultural phenomenon in time as much as his/her death. People want to be part of the timeline.

>>12110750
Yea you're right.
I think that when a "great" man dies, it makes us think of our lives critically, to agree with what he did in contrast with what we could do.

>>12107707
No, he was just a jew.

>>12107599
>muh faulkner
>muh ermignihnway
How will amerifats ever recover?

>>12107599
You know, this post made me think.
Maybe because I'm a foreigner but I can't name another great American novelist besides Mark Twain.
Faulkner is shit. Moby Dick is an one time thing. What is left?

>>12110837
Cormac McCarthy

>>12110844
That is all?

>>12110869
Carlton Mellick III

>>12110837
john williams
thomas pynchon
cormac mccarthy
philip k dick
arthur miller
john steinbeck
i know you say Moby Dick is a one time thing but I'd still say Herman Melville because even his lesser writings are beautiful

i'd also suggest Burroughs but i suppose he's a polarising guy

>>12107515
Editors and showrunners deserve more credit in the creative world.

>Hack writer posts a clickbait article
>Angry idiots click it

>>12107515

>Blocks your path

>>12108157
what did he mean by this

>>12107515
I agree. I'm a big fan of his book 'Flat'.

>>12110833
Melville, Twain, the list goes on. I would post a list but I'm 99% sure you're trolling.
>>12110837
Oh, here's someone who isn't trolling. Well, here's the list:

William Faulkner
Henry James
Nathaniel Hawthorne
Ernest Heminingway (I'm surprised you didn't think of him. Everyone knows him)
John Steinbeck
Cormac McCarthy
Thomas Pynchon
F. Scott Fitzgerald
Flannery O'Connor (she only wrote two novels but they're both great)
Edith Wharton

All great novelists. And for great American writers who didn't primarily focus on novels there's: Edgar Allan Poe, Walt Whitman, Emily Dickinson, Henry David Thoreau, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Tennessee Williams, and more. By the way, Moby-Dick is by far Melville's best work but he wrote some other great stuff. Billy Budd and The Piazza Tales are excellent.

>>12110837
>>12111711
And I just noticed you shit on Faulkner. Oh well, even without him there are plenty of great American writers.

>>12107515

William Luther Pierce had more writing talent than fucking Stan Lee

How do we solve the manchildren epidemic? What's the final solution here?

>>12112343
I cringed particularly hard at this. I hope his wife cheats on him.

The only capeshit worth anything is that by Alan Moore.

>>12112387
It's still shit, only more pretentious.

>>12108924
Basically everything Walt Whitman ever put to paper has been absorbed into the ruling class mindset

>>12112343

Imagine being so devoid of any sort of culture like the standard American is that you have to replace it with consumerism. Just imagine how empty your life is to not have any other traditions that don't relate to buying shit made as a product.

Imagine having absolutely no personality but mass produced "entertainment."

>>12112392

You're not wrong desu

>>12112424
Are there any books about this kind of dystopia? Mass advertisement and identifying with brands?

>>12112483

I honestly have no idea. If anyone knows of any I would be interested.

>>12112512
I had a novel idea about a place where you could buy anything. Even people's lives had a price tag. One's only security was his own net worth.

>>12112527
I got an erection.

>>12112527

Was it titled 'America'?

>>12112343
I blame The Big Bang Theory

>>12112707
Alphabet

>>12112424
>>12112483
>>12112512
>>12112527
Its called "Hard Boiled".
Yes, its a comic.

>>12112712
I do too. All the man-children I know are fans of that show and it certainly promotes an infantile lifestyle.