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There are fascist intellectuals, but there is no intellectual fascism.
:^]

>>12095485
>Movin' round dem words while adding notin' to the conversation sure does make me feel smrt

>>12095499

Triggered

>>12095477
tfw to smart too use deodorant

Does anyone actually believe this? It’s common knowledge that everyone under fire during the Nuremberg trials had pretty high IQs.

>>12095477
Nowadays all the fascist intellectuals believe they're individualists

It's just an easy strawman me smart you dumb

>>12095564
>saying deodorant when you clearly mean antipersipant
Are you sure you're on the right board, anon?

>>12095587
I think the narrative is that they were either smart but evil or smart but deluded.

there are none, because fascism insofar as it is nationalistic is intellectually impoverished by design. I cannot think of an argument for nationalism that is anything but an appeal to emotion and a projection of tribalism urges to nation-states.

because fascism is literally retarded. all you have to realize is that the only people making arguments from fascism are people who would be able to benefit from it.

>>12095625
>antipersipant
nigga that aint no word

>>12095629
So, there are people who prefer national identities over other identities. By the virtue of having literally anyone who prefer this identity, nationalism is a valid ideology.

>>12095640
wow, I guess otherkin and tankies have valid ideologies as well. Never thought of it like that.

>>12095628
Why shouldn't nationalism appeal to your emotion? I learned in writing classes that a good argument has to hit pathos as well as logos and ethos.
Why is tribalism bad?

>>12095628
Nationalism is fine obviously jingoism should be avoided.

>>12095658
There is nothing wrong with emotion, facsist arguments are wrong in the way the dishonestly manipulate emotion. Nationalism is extremely shallow psuedo-tribalosm, instead of caring about your friends and neighbors it's calls for some vague patriotism for a nation state which has nothing to do with real human interaction, goverment is not a tribe and nations are not real communities. Tribalism in general is a silly repitilian anachronisms that is unnecessarily divisive and alienating.

>>12095651
They do though. You thinking that they're mentally ill is also a valid ideology.

>>12095658
The problem is not that it doesn't appeal to the emotion, but that it only appeals to the emotion. I haven't heard any other argument that has a leg to stand on.
>why is tribalism bad
I don't have a problem with it in certain cases, but 1) it often claims it is completely natural and therefore good which is unsubstantiated and doesn't logically follow and 2) tribalism as an affiliation between the familiar, ceases to be true when projected on such a massive scale. Why should I, in the United States for instance, feel fraternity and sympathy for some Californian faggot thousands of miles away, who I will never see and never meet, and whose interests and concerns are vastly different than me? And why shouldn't I feel that the Canadian, who if I live on the border I might see everyday day, is part of my tribe? You get the picture, but especially in a heavily industrialized society tribalism becomes a farce.

>>12095674
>All ideaologies are the same.
Isn't this antithetical to facist ideaology?
Facsism clearly claims ideaological superiority as part of it's ideaology, isn't it therefor wrong if you are going with the understanding assumtion that all ideaologies are equally valid?

>>12095628
>I cannot think of an argument for globalism that is anything but an appeal to emotion and the repression of tribalism urges to nation-states.
If i said this, i would be expected to elaborate on it. You only think your version is sufficient because your absolute morality is derived from le deep carl sagan quotes.
But then people like you claim moral absolutism is oppressive... meanwhile,
Fascists seem recognize it and enforce it on degenerates.

>>12095637
Lawl

>>12095687
struck a nerve there, didn't I, stormweenie?

>>12095485>>12095499
it's true though

>>12095629
>literally
Please put down your cellphone and find your handler. We're trying to have an intelligent discussion.

>>12095703
nice argument

>>12095686
No, it just make them deluded, but not entirely wrong (false ideology).

Because if they actually had to tackle with the works of people like Giovanni Gentile, Ugo Spirito and Sergio Panunzio they would realize that fascism as it actually existed was very different from their strawman of fascism, and that it even have many similarities with their own ideas and theories.

Pic related, a fascist intellectual doing post-modernism decades before any celebrated French theorist.

>>12095628
How is "openness" or "tolerance" any better? Now you're overrun with people who don't respect even the most basic tenets of your ideology. You're not even allowed to protest because doing so would be considered "racist" or "xenophobic." The only people who care anymore about liberal """""""values"""""""" are neocons, and they just want an excuse to invade the Middle East.

>>12095673
Why/How/why
It's not alienating. Tribalism is healthy. These "argumens" are every bit as deep as yours.
Yes, a government is not a tribe. Therefore, a fascist government is not a tribalist government. So how is it fundamentally flawed or "intellectually impoverished by design"?
>>12095698
>you browse a website i don't like
>that should make you mad
The fact that you throw in stupid insults like this with your arguments illustrates your own pettiness and feeling of being threatened.

>>12095711
It wasn't an argument.
You're retarded.

>>12095485
Completely true actually.

>conflating nationalism with fascism

>>12095628
lmao the existence of nation states can't be motivated anything but feelings and tribalism??

I think it's mostly a product of post WW2 propaganda. There are people in academia like Robert Paxton who take it seriously but they're still a rare breed because it's politically convenient for leftists to propagate the perception that fascists were just a bunch of irrational thugs.

>tfw all banter aside, you were born just in time to be a fascist smack dab in the waning years of Weimar 2.0

>>12095477
There aren't, because who gets to be an intellectual is determined by the intellectual class, who are at this moment liberals, and they say that fascists can't be intellectuals, so they aren't.

>>12095833
>intellectual class,
>who are at this moment liberals

>>12095839
Communists are a subset of liberals.

>>12095843
Yeah man, Marx was practically Adam Smith 2.0

>>12095499
>we fascists are intelligent and sophisticated lot
>REEE STOP USING WORDS IT MAKES ME HEAD HURT BRAINLET:JPG

>>12095848
He actually was though

>>12095851
didn't know anti-fascists were autistic

>>12095848
You, a Communist, are even worse than a liberal, because in the real world you end up acting as a client of liberals to fuck society up even further.

Also, Marx's deviations from Liberalism are relatively minor and don't go much farther than suggesting that property is in fact not prior to the State, but he still believes in things like collective ownership. Basically still liberal.

>>12095786
>uses insults and assumes ideologies
>HURR U USE INSUT U BAD
oh the irony

>>12095843
>intellectual class,
>who are at this moment communists

>>12095816
Read Renan.

>>12095874
Well, if they aren't liberals, and aren't Communists, what are they? Please tell me you aren't a leftcom who thinks everyone outside of your brand of left-communism is a fascist.

>>12095786
It is alienating in the sense that it creates an "us vs them" situation that isn't always necessary, and that is often maladaptive and alienating. Prehaps "compartmentalizing" is the more apt word. While compartmentalization does produces a sense of belonging in the compartment, it alienates them from the world at large. I've seen many fascists simply state that they do not care about anyone outside their tribe. This "outsideness" is an illusory product of tribalist alienation.
>Therefore, a fascist government is not a tribalist government
Your right it's not, but fascist ideaology plays on tribalist sentiment. It's tribalist in it's means, not in it's ends.
I'm not interested in defending the quoted argument, I didn't make it. My critism of fascism hinges on that it's ideaology isn't coherent with the way the world actually works, the hiearchal authority of fascism is backwards to the way we(we being all living things) actually interact outside of arbitrary conventions. That way is a creative rhizomatic plasticity, fascism is not adaptive and it isn't an ideaology for the living. Furthermore I simply despise fascism and all authoritarian ideaologies, they are cancer.
>>12095714
I do get that they are ideaologies, but if their ideas are not true, how on earth can the be valid ideaologies? Your epistomological relativism just doesn't work, follow the pragmatic maxim

>>12095477
Of course there are fascist intellectuals, there is always someone trying to take advantage of other people for arbitrary things and expand their own privileges. Arbitrary and simplistic thoughts always have a special place in desperate narcisistic egocentric hypocrite societies/humans
>>12095485
Catchy simple phrase but literally this
(of course we can discuss more and have an actual argumentation, but this guy really gets the essence)

>>12095887
>The intelligenstia of a society is mainly x in an unspecified place
Gross.

>>12095477
imagine the smell

>>12095628
>>12095629
Nice bait guys.
Can we be honest for a second? This thread was unnecessary. Everyone knows there are Fascist intellectuals, but OP created a place for people who viscerally hate Fascism to dump their emotions, which was of course was going to draw out a reaction from the people who have given Fascism a fair hearing.
That's exactly what we got, and for what? What does anyone take away from this?
If you're reading this, just close the thread and walk away. Don't be baited.

>>12095891
how about you learn the difference between tribes and nation-states for once

>>12095891
>Your right it's not, but fascist ideaology plays on tribalist sentiment. It's tribalist in it's means, not in it's ends.
I'm not interested in defending the quoted argument, I didn't make it. My critism of fascism hinges on that it's ideaology isn't coherent with the way the world actually works, the hiearchal authority of fascism is backwards to the way we(we being all living things) actually interact outside of arbitrary conventions.

Humans recognize and respond to authority in the real world, though. If anything fascism is closer to how humans actually interact because it at least somewhat recognizes this.

>That way is a creative rhizomatic plasticity, fascism is not adaptive and it isn't an ideaology for the living. Furthermore I simply despise fascism and all authoritarian ideaologies, they are cancer.
You're essentially just making a quasi-theological utterance of your feelings about fascism here because you're some brand of Anarcho-Communist in all likelihood.

>>12095628

There is nothing emotional about seeking to preserve the society which has raised you. Seems perfectly reasonable to me, and ethical, but not emotion driven

>>12095628
Perfect example of low empathy leftism- incapable of possibly understanding why anyone would be rightwing, and not able to accurately represent their views.

>>12095711
What argument did you make retard?

>>12095812
explain the difference

>>12095932
perfect example of low iq rightism - incapable of possibly being assed to outline his position, and giving low effort responses instead of articulating his empty thoughs

>>12095858
>you're anti-fascist because you pointed out my retardation
>uses autistic as an insult
>on 4chan of all places
You should stick to rebbit.

>>12095917
>Humans recognize and respond to authority in the real world, though
While yes they do, but this happens thirdly and doesn't have anything to do with the actual interaction itself. There is such a thing as valid authority, fascism does not advocate for a valid authority. It's actually based on retarded 18th century ideas about evolutionary mechanics. I do like fascism's sentimentality, niave rationalism(liberalism, communism) is pretty dumb. However fascism is manipulative of sentiment and is thourghly toxic, far from the proper apagastic sentimentalism working in the confines of pragmatic truth.


>You're essentially just making a quasi-theological utterance of your feelings about fascism here because you're some brand of Anarcho-Communist in all likelihood
Or maybe I've studied ecology and theorhetical biology for years and that has made a huge impact on my ideas. I am pretty much an animist and I have no problems at all admitting that my agruments may seem like theology. I assure you that I am a thourghly scientific person. I am an anarchy-enthusiast but I don't not feel comfortable identifying with anarchism, it's anachronistic. Definitely not any sort of communist.
>>12095907
Pointing out that nation-states aren't tribes is literally where I started my argument. Bad reading.

>>12095628
This, which is why it's better to implement systems *I* agree with.

>>12095990
wtf i love facism now!!

>>12095628
>appeals to emotion are wrong
This your mind on rationalism

>>12095984
>While yes they do, but this happens thirdly and doesn't have anything to do with the actual interaction itself. There is such a thing as valid authority, fascism does not advocate for a valid authority.
We've reached levels of post-Protestantism that shouldn't be possible. Authority simply IS, you're just saying you don't like the idea of a fascist authority.

>Or maybe I've studied ecology and theorhetical biology for years and that has made a huge impact on my ideas. I am pretty much an animist and I have no problems at all admitting that my agruments may seem like theology. I assure you that I am a thourghly scientific person. I am an anarchy-enthusiast but I don't not feel comfortable identifying with anarchism, it's anachronistic. Definitely not any sort of communist.
They don't think it be like it is, but it do.

>>12096007
>baseless 'muh feels' arguments without any logic are good
peak sophist hours now

>>12095629
>all you have to realize is that the only people making arguments from fascism are people who would be able to benefit from it.
Can you find any examples of people arguing for a system that they genuinely believe would be detrimental to them?

>>12095679
This post is exactly why the modern would is a joke. Why should you care about him? You shouldn't. There is absolutely nothing greater than yourself that unites you- no higher principle or culture. When you see the world in this individualist, materialistic way with no greater metaphysic then people are divorced from mystical, spiritual and communal elements and thus cannot relate to each other in a meaningful way.
And before any of you fucking communist niggers tell me that you have the solution to communal alienation, please just kill yourself. An ideology based on consumption doesn't unite anybody. How can you honestly tell me with a strait face that a materialistic philosophy based on communal consumption is any better than individual consumption?

>>12095518
I think fascism is dump like every other sane person. But this old meme "triggered" seriously has to die - especially when people who support actual unironic safespaces use it to call out the other side.

>>12096016
philosophy is about love

>>12096051
of wisdom you absolute sophist
>b-but it's wise to turn your brain off
spared you the post, kill yourself you imbecile and stop bumping this garbage thread.

>>12095891
How confident are you that these ideas are more false than your idealogies? Pratigism works by minmaxing but it leaves you weaker to black swan events because you -didn't--see it coming. The only possibility to see everything is to know everything at once. This is impossible, so we must treat all idealogies with some degree of weigh. Some idealogies have higher probability of being useful than others. My problem with your line of thought is that you didn't quantify the value of nationalism properly.

>>12096058
and impressing little boys you anglo autist

>>12095959
>Oh, it's pretty nice conserving our nation and culture because it really makes a lot of stuff easier and better when we all have some meme we can share
vs.
>WE ARE THE NEW EMPIRE! ALL THE WEAK SHALL PARISH AND ALL THE STRONG SHALL SURVIVE, THIS COUNTS FOR BOTH COUNTRIES AND INDIVIDUALS AND WE ARE THE NEW MASTER RACE!!! *insert country* MUST PREVAIL!!!!!!!!!!

No i don't see any difference either

>>12096016
>there's no logic in emotion
You can't govern without appeals to emotion, you pleb. Any viable political system must make appeals to emotion. You don't believe in a faceless cold bureaucracy as your government, do you?

>>12096016
>people's feelings shouldn't matter in discussions about how they should be organized and live their daily lives.

>>12096070
Italian Fascism was fairly sane in the grand scheme of 20th century ideologies.

>>12096078
This. I am a moderate fascist.

I don't see how democrats and egalitarians can have the nerve to call fascists irrational unless they're just completely unaware and haven't thought about their beliefs for more than a minute. People are not the same, some people have more ability than others. There is a natural hierarchy but egalitarians lie to themselves and democrats give the same political power to actual retards that would to the Einsteins of the world. Any system built on these lies will degenerate.

>>12095628

I would bet my left testicle a Jew wrote this post.

>>12096125
I think the claim to natural hierarchies based on ability are a bit questionable, but it's hardly debatable that hierarchies actually exist in society. Liberal egalitarians are just doing theology without knowing it.

>There is a natural hierarchy but egalitarians lie to themselves and democrats give the same political power to actual retards that would to the Einsteins of the world.
The funny thing about this is that making Cletus McCoy from West Virginia the first King of The United States of America around the time of WW1 would've led to better outcomes worldwide than rule by the people who had more "merit". The harmfulness of liberal egalitarianism goes much deeper than "giving dumb people power", in fact said people have very little actual power at all.

>>12096062
I'm as confident as a falliblist can be.
That's not really how pragmatism works at all, you ought to read Peirce before discussing pragmatism. My ideaology is 100% based in my sentiments, which are informed by well made inferences.
I don't deny that nationalism has utility, but ultimately it's just a poorly-informed, weaker version of communitarianism.
Some ideaologies are more coherent and complete than others. If fascism or any other ideaology isn't coherent within it's bounds as a Language, and can't completely represent ideaological propositions, there is no reason to treat it the same as ideaologies that fufill that criteria more adequately.

>>12095628
>t.

>>12095499
we dont have conversations here

>>12096016
>politics are or can be based on logic without feels
Hello virgin philosophy freshman.

>>12095628
>I cannot think of an argument
Well that doesn't surprise me anon. Understanding geopolitical theory seems to be outside the grasp of your intellectual capabilities judging from the content of your post. It takes big dick energy and an IQ in the 98th percentile to understand Fascism.

>>12095485
Which political ideology is intellectual?

>>12096219
Marxism. But that's not a good thing.

>>12096143
Not him,
But Communitarianism has absolutely no room for tradition and myth (in the Sorelian sense) which informs our ability to relate to one another. If there is no transcendant center to unite us then how can there truly be a communal element to our lives? If we are just transcedant egos as Bookchin would tell us then what room is there for metaphysics? This lack of anything beyond the material is why we can't relate to one another.

>>12095485
holy cr*p, fashtards just got owned

When are authoritative Catholic monarchies coming back?
Asking for a friend

>>12096260
Probably never. It'd be an improvement, for sure.

>>12096260
Never. We need a new religion for it to work. Wanna work on it?

>>12096219
Well mine for one. I'm an anti-dogmatist that basically adheres to some sort of animist bioanarchy.
Only (some) special snowflake ideaologies that adhere to empiricism, scientific knowing, and pragmatic truth while maintaining a sort of ideaological openness, plasticity, and falliblism.
I guess what I am trying to say is, intellectual ideaologies are creative and well reasoned.

>>12096267
I'm lazy, can't we take Islam?

>>12096300
Islam is a rotting corpse, so no.

>>12096219
it has to be marxism whether you like it or not.

>>12096269
>ideaologies
well you're a pretentioaous fagoagoat

>>12096219

>Intellectual Tier
Marxism

>Sustainable Tier
National Socialism/Fascism

>Wisdom Tier
Monarchism

>>12096231
I'm going to have to strongle disagree with you here. If you look at people who live a communitarian life, such as primitive, indigenous people, they have lively traditions and mythologies that are the richest to be found.
I would say the exact opposite, while nationalism is somewhat conductive to to tradition and myth, it is at a national scale. This has a horrible homogenizing effect, it takes the hetrogenous traditions of communities and makes them the same, it breaks down ecological boundaries and community ties. Just look at how common it is for people to lose their langauge when communities break into nation states.
National traditions are overly abstract, lack adaptive capacity, and actually impoverish tradition, community is the opposite. Nationalism is antisymmetrical to actual social interaction. It's an ecological fact that all social interaction actually happens within a community.
Community ecology, and models of ecological communities and interaction, systems and networks really help with this kind of thinking that has been largley forgotten because of nationalism. Just look at some nationalist countries,the USA, and China. Tradition? Really?
Also mythology is but a nascent instar of philsophy, and civilized people don't have much use for it as a system of explaining the world around them.

>>12096357

>Philosopher King
My nigga.

>>12096338
Really im unironically an intellectual and you should stop bullying me.

>>12096388
>Really im unironically an intellectual
Yea, most intellectuals I meet also need to declare their status as an intellectual, otherwise how would people even know, right?

>>12096407
STOP! hating is bad

>>12096125
from the perspective of anthropology, there are societies that are naturally egalitarian and societies that are naturally hierarchical. Human beings are not prone to hierarchy, but not particularly prone to egalitarianism either.

>>12096388
nah you're just in the intellectualism fandom. it's like how the people in the science fandom just like wearing big bang theory t-shirts. you should be quiet and read some books for a decade or so because right now everyone whose opinion you could possibly care about is going to be able to tell that you're fronting.

>>12096388
What even is an intellectual?

>>12095477
Because fascism is seen as, more or less, an advanced form of tribalism, and is thus considered barbaric. It's the same reason why
elitist academic intellectuals don't think there are athletic intellectuals: because if they were really "intellectuals" they wouldn't be athletes, or as they see them, mindless brutes.

>>12096472
me am

>>12095477
Higher intelligence and education typically correlates with empathy.

>>12096492

>empathy
This kills the civilization.jpg

>>12096492
>>12096500
But the empathic intellectuals nowadays want to send non-empathic citizens of their own country to the gulag for insufficient empathy towards third-worlders.

>>12096517
Can you name a time that this has actually happened? Give me one example from North America or Europe where someone was jailed for lack of empathy. Violent act, sure, but can you name one occasion where non-empathetic speech was punished with jail time?

>>12096451
I try to be humble in light of my ignorance. With what I do have, I am quite the intellectual (my parents agree). Being an intellectual doesn't hing on the how much or how deeply someone has been learned -methinks:^] I say being an intellectual is creating new things to learn out of what you have learned, however meager what you have learned may be.
>>12096472 An intellectual that is still learning is different from an uniformed dilletante. The learned have sympathy and respect for people in the process of learning, and a heavyweight intellectual can recognize a humble one. I don't see any problem with calling myself an intellectual, besides being incredibly pretentious. I don't really think of myself as an intellectual for that reason, but I think I do qualify. I am also well learned-but still learning-considering my age and circumstances.

>>12096517
>I can't call jamal a fucking nigger cunt and keep my job, i am LITERALLY living a gulag!!
cry me a river, dude.

>>12096228
>>12096357
>>12096219

A political ideology shouldn't be intellectual. Really not many things should be intellectual.

A lot of intellectuals are morons who need to brand themselves as holier-than-thou because of their insecurities.

>>12096472

Someone calling himself an intellectual is an idiot. It can't be genuine.

>>12096533
Ssh, don't let reality intrude on their narrative.

>>12096538
Aren't you proving my point about empathic (white liberal) intellectuals wanting to punish their own population for poor morals? Why would you enshrine such a poorly-behaved population as American blacks into an informally protected class otherwise?

>>12096544
Imagine being anti-intellectual on a literature forum. Why do you treat spreading ideology around the internet like your second job? It seems like the hallmark of a non-rounded personality.

>>12095499
>fascists upset at wordplay
Only proving him right desu

>>12096554
Why would you enshrine such a poorly-behaved population as racists into an informally protected class?

>>12096077
>>12096074
>feels< reals: the post
So much for the rational right :^)

>>12096538

>Has niggers on his brain at all times
Yep, that's a liberal right there.

>>12096576
racists are a lot better behaved than black people

>>12096554
there's no "informally protected class". As soon as jamal calls you a fucking cracker his ass is getting pulled too. But please continue to tell me how victimized you are.

>>12096576

Oh, I get it now. You're either a woman or a Jew. So you are either too ignorant to know what you're saying, or actively being subversive. Either way there is no point in talking to you.

>>12096594
No they aren't. Racists are the worst kind of assholes.

>>12096581
It's more that feels are real. The whole "facts &reason" crown are the dumbest people in contemporary political discourse.

>>12096601

Being an asshole isn't a crime.

>>12096601
black people are demonstrably and measurably worse behaved

>>12096535
Are you being a faggot on purpose?

>>12096576
I'd take my chances with them over Africans. I'm not the one crying over how oppressive I am while holding power.

>>12096595
I'm not victimized by Jamal, rather, your kind is ruining society by refusing to be honest about what it is doing. If you have informal arms of the State (major corporations, payment processors, universities, etc.) punishing you for criticizing said class, who receives benefits for doing nothing, whose harmful behaviors are constantly apologized for, you have yourself an informal protected class. They should be enshrined as a formal protected class if that's the way we're going to do things.

>>12096581
feels are reals you moran

>>12096606
So much for the anti-snowflake right

>>12096601

>No they aren't. Racists are the worst kind of assholes.
Yikes. Don't make me pull out the black vs white racial crime statistics for murder, rape, aggravated assult, theft, domestic abuse, etc..my willfully ignorant liberal friend :^]

>>12095477
How is this thread still up? It's not even tangentially related to literature. Do your fucking job, mods.

>>12096623
>who receives benefits for doing nothing
not getting called a nigger sure does give those blacks a great advantage

>>12096631
Don't make me pull out the crime statistics for poor whites vs poor blacks. Race is inconsequential next to class, and you fucking mongs are playing into the elite's game of division and misdirection.

>>12096638

Abloo bloo bloo!
I entered a thread I didn't like and now I'm upset! How could this have happened!

>>12096628
I never implied otherwise moron

>>12096599
Have you ever even lived with black people? Wtf does "poorly behaved" even mean? Sure, SOME blacks CAN BE assholes, but all racists are always assholes. I've never ever met an intellegent racist in my life and I grew up in a place that still held on to white supremacy. Racists literally think they are the better than everyone else, massive faghats.
>>12096609
No, but nobody should be expected to like assholes. It is completely natural and appropriate to despise despicable people.
>>12096623
I'm white, but I definitely wouldn't want to tell a bunch of hardcore racists how stupid they are. Stupid people become violent when their feelings are hurt. Black people are just fine you massive pussy, I can understand not wanting to be around gang bangers, but black people are no worse than white people. Now since blacks are poor and poorly educated, sure there might be a higher than average precentage of black assholes, but ALL racists are dickhead faggots that primarily think with their amygdala.

>>12096651
>poor whites vs poor blacks
Spoiler: poor whites commit significantly less crime than their poor black counterparts. Even better, the richest blacks in America actually commit MORE crime than the poorest whites.

I thought blacks only committed crime due to their financial situation and external factors? I guess that isn't the case then, huh?

>>12096219
cuckoldry

>>12096658
You implied I implied, so obviously it's you who is the retard.

>>12096673
Whites are *convicted* of significantly less crime.

>>12096671
you're like 20 years behind the current understanding of race that prevails on the internet, it's just embarrassing

>>12096688
>Current understanding of race that prevails on the internet.
I'm not behind it, I'm not following that retarded line of thought. The internet is fucking dumb and I'm glad that is my case

>>12096673
Gonna need to cite some sources on that one bud.

>>12096685
>Whites are *convicted* of significantly less crime.
You always have an excuse, huh? Just like a child unable to take responsibilities for his actions. No matter, the time to talk and help you better your race and self is over. The race war is just around the corner and things will be settled once and for all.

>>12096651
>, and you fucking mongs are playing into the elite's game of division and misdirection.

How much of a midwit do you have to be to fall for this boomer platitude?

>>12096671
What I am saying is, even assuming that all this is true, why don't we just make them a formally protected class? Declare it illegal to offend a black person, issue them all guaranteed reparations income monthly and mandate hiring of qualified Black job applications ahead of anyone else. I'm advocating that we stop lying, rather than listen to some psycho with a PhD in sociology shriek about how oppressive he is.

>>12096688
“The cheapest sort of pride is racial pride; for if a man is proud of his own race, it argues that he has no qualities of his own of which he can be proud; otherwise he would not have recourse to those which he shares with so many millions of his fellowmen. The man who is endowed with important personal qualities will be only too ready to see clearly in what respects his own race falls short, since their failings will be constantly before his eyes. But every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud adopts, as a last resource, pride in the race to which he belongs; he is ready and glad to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.”

>>12096698
Don't respond to modernists, no matter how desperate you are to validate yourself "winning" an argument. Don't take the low hanging fruit, if you do you end up with /pol/

>>12096702
That's stupid. We should tell racists to fuck themselves until they go exinct. Our societal problems can't be fixed by state intervention lol.

>>12096709
again, arguing that racism is based on resentment or insecurity is so tired that you appear like a 60 year old boomer
it's Teh Current Year and in The Current Year we have mountains of data on race differences and no Internet Tsar to make us not notice it

>>12096700
How much of a fucking moron do you need to be not to all of this as a class struggle? Racists swallowed the bait hook line and sinker. It would be funny if they weren't so irritatingly loud.

>>12096698
>arguments shouldn't have nuance, you should be able to shout it in a 5-second sound byte.

>>12096717
class exploitation doesn't somehow eliminate race differences

>>12095499
>posting dem epic maymay reaction images while adding notin' to the conversation sure does make me feel smrt

>>12096716
Wtf are you talking about. Racial differences are what make racists resentful and insecure. Internet racists have been deluded into thinking that anti-racists don't believe in racial differences.
Those racial differences are exactly what makes the overactive amygdala of a racist go nuts.
The idea that racists are scared and resentful hinges on racial differences.

>>12096716
Peppering your arguments with internet buzzwords like boomer means that most thoughtful readers will immediately discount your opinions as misinformed. Be better at what you do.

>>12096712
>That's stupid. We should tell racists to fuck themselves until they go exinct. Our societal problems can't be fixed by state intervention lol.

It's much easier, and cleaner, to declare something illegal than to attempt to enshrine it as a quasi-religious shaming behavior. Why do something informally like you're suggesting when you can just... do it formally?

>>12096717
>>>/pol/
Please get off this board, it's for discussion, not arguments of screeching pre-packaged anathemas at each other. You'll find more fulfillment with your fellow midwits on /pol/. I mean this sincerely, whether you are being genuine or just shitposting bait.

>>12096737
good luck talking about race differences and not being labeled a racist lol

>>12096739
i couldnt care less what you faggots think i mostly come here to laugh at you

>>12096742
> Why do something informally like you're suggesting when you can just... do it formally?
Because it never works and usually backfires. More importantanly Authoritarianism is just plain wrong. So it doesn't work out practically and is unethical.

>>12096739
If you are so dishonest you think all trendy vernacular is inherently meaningless you are too far gone. Anyone actually thinking who has been posting here can tell when someone is spamming a meme inappropriately or using it genuinely. Only people who actually get mad and insecure on the internet interpret everything to be the former when it benefits them.

Or are you actually ignorant of the boomers who cry about how much better race relations were in the 70s and 80s in a hilariously shallow fashion?

>>12096763
Was it being used to highlight 1970s and 80s race relations, or was it used as a dismissive buzzword, to replace the constant use of cuck from 8 months ago? I think we both know the answer to that.

>>12096763
Not him but you definitely came off as a moron. Hur dur stop talking like a retard, you juvenile.

>Or are you actually ignorant of the boomers who cry about how much better race relations were in the 70s and 80s
Why did you call me a Boomer when I don't believe this at all and never said anything that would propose I do to anyone with half a brain?

>>12096744
>implying any part of this thread is suitable /lit/ content
>implying any kind of legitimate discussion has taken place on /lit/ in the last two years.

>>12096779
>Not him
>Why did you call me

lol. I'm not>>12096716

>>12096751
>hurr durr actually I'm not an idiot, I'm just trolling guize

>>12096792
Then why are you speaking for >>12096763 ?
Are you his lawyer?

>>12096776
>Was it being used to highlight 1970s and 80s race relations

It was being used to make fun of his viewpoint by comparing it to boomer views on race relations. It wasn't using boomer as in the "out of touch" 30 year old boomer meme and if you had any reading comprehension or knowledge of either you would understand that.

Regardless the post was about people who get turned off when they see trendy vernacular without actually comprehending how that vernacular is being used and the intention it is being used. Yeah retards are going to spam words like projection or contrarian and other "buzzwords" but that doesn't mean these words can never be used appropriately, even if it's as a way to make fun of someone. The types of people who disassociate with it in all its forms are always insecure because they can see themselves being lumped together with people who use those words and will be unable to convince people they are any different.

>>12096800
I am >>12096763
>>12096763
is not>>12096716
and never called you a boomer.

>>12096358
I'm talking about a hard reset here- USA and China are not real bastions of reaction. The agrarian lifestyle is a very key element to fascism. I absolutely agree with what you are saying about homogenisation and thats why I am not a pan Europeanist. Meaningful tradition in the west is seriously injured and if it is realistically going to be restored there is going to be one national myth. Where I live there is no meaningful metaphysic unfortunately. Indigenious people that have not been tainted by modernity are great and all and I'll take your word for it that they are Communalists, however what I am saying is not universal. What I want is for my people alone. I have no desire to make all countries on earth nationalist to wipe away their way of life.
In regards to Communalism in particular, I really don't see meaningful reaction without a sacral center. The state has a role in enforcing the countries values. If the west were to become a Communalist polity, what would really happen: people resort to hedonism as a result of the lack of a real metaphysic or will they construct a new one? Is that even possible to do? Guenon would contest that constructing a new tradition is impossible considering that we don't see the world in terms of a greater meta-narrative.

>>12096829
It wasn't just the words, it was the propositions being made with them.
If you don't think that post was moronic, well, that's your own inadequacy.
It was a retarded shitpost, and the memes made it worse.
For example, I am the person that was called a Boomer, yet I do not fit that description of a Boomer in the slightest. So don't only was it peppered with juvenile memes, it was afactual.
This is /lit/ sweetheart. If you don't care about the aesthtic quality of writing you need to leave.

>>12096829
Did you provide any kind of argument explaining why baby boomer ideas on race and class relations are invalid, or did you just use "boomer" as a way of labelling any ideas you disagree with as invalid? You seem to be set on setting up straw men to attack instead of debating your "point" that 1970s race relations were lesser without any type of argument included.

>>12096834
I'm aware of this dumbo.
Really bad reading comprehension, as one would be right to expect from you.

>>12096854
i said you appear like a boomer as all you antiracist lefties do, because you're parrotting establishment memes of actual boomers. youre just sententious bores hiding behind a decades old facade of transgression that was never real in the first place

>>12096872
Truth hurts bub

>>12096861
>Did you provide any kind of argument explaining why baby boomer ideas on race and class relations are invalid

No because you aren't being argued with, you are being made fun of. If the worldviews are so far apart you don't see what is wrong with how boomers perceive race relations it just makes it funnier, and the labeling of you as a boomer all the more valid.

> did you just use "boomer" as a way of labeling any ideas you disagree with as invalid

No, not "any idea" just this specific idea of race relations and oligarchs trying to get people to focus on race issues to distract from others which is associated with boomers at their core, if you want an example even E.Micheal Jones pushes this.

>>12096862
>I'm aware of this dumbo.
clearly you weren't.

>>12096854
> it was the propositions being made with them.

The propositions were accurate. The post criticizing the post specifically pointed out the vernacular "boomer, teh" as being what turns peoples brains off and makes them not take the person seriously, I was arguing that while that is the correct response to "buzzword" spammers it's important to be able to differentiate buzzwords used meaningfully and meaninglessly. The reply was always focused on the principle of the matter and not that specific poster, which was just used as an example.

>If you don't care about the aesthtic quality of writing
> sweetheart

yes, "rules of thumb" show that bad prose=bad/no ideas. But it's blatantly fallacious and very pseud to believe decent posts are never made with bad prose, and outs you as a dummy when you can't tell the difference.

>>12095485
>Why don't you believe in fascist intellectuals
>Fascism can't into intellectualism
Love the discussion on this board, including the tards who see a balanced sentence like this one and think there's some deeper meaning to it.

Weird thread. I like it

>>12096651
this is literally wrong though. as opposed to figuratively.

>>12096948
>>12096895

Other than you, I don't think anyone in this thread agrees that you used those buzzwords meaningfully.

>>12097018
>you used those buzzwords meaningfully.
I'm not the same poster, if you weren't a pleb using the default layout you would know this. I don't care about this threads approval, i'm right about it regardless.

>>12096260
>When are authoritative Catholic monarchies coming back?
Definitely not until the pope grows a pair and stops hiding his cross from jews.

>>12096961
Calm down

>>12095673
family>race>nation>others

>>12097699
Stupid and spookpilled

>>12095499
100% true

>>12095628
It's just a way of organising human beans.
It's quite useful to have a state, but different people and locations have different needs.
So a global state would be rather inefficient whereas a nation state is smaller and more responsive.
When you make it so that there is a common culture within the nation, it just makes everything run more smoothly.

>>12097722
In real life, spooks conquer non-spooks

>>12096414
nice