/lit/ - Literature

>>12086291
Is that tweet real? I though Norm was just a comedian?

>>12086291
>the printing press
woah, thank you based voltaire

>>12086296

Norm is more than he lets on. A profound humility grounds his jocular utterances.

>>12086296
He's also Darkly Enlightened... to the truth.... heh

It's the truth about brown people, by the way... what he's enlightened to... Not gonna find this little "funfact" on CNN....

heh...

>>12086296
It’s a joke tardo

>>12086291

>the afterglow of Christianity is near gone now

>>12086300
That's someone who's knowledge of the Enlightenment comes from his high school history textbook when he had to write down the bolded definition

>>12086291
reading a response as retarded as that first reply really brings me round to norm's side as much as any actual argument could. How can someone respond with such vigour and yet be entirely wrong about everything they say?

(the fact that it was a norm tweet led me to consider for a moment that the woman might be joking in attributing Medieval (and earlier) inventions to the Enlightenment but i really don't think she is -- twitter fucking sucks)

>>12086291
>The Enlightment
>The Printing press
>the scientific method

Why are twitter libs so fucking dumb?

Woah woah woah did science, and knowledge not exist before the enlightenment?

>>12086296
he pretends to be deep and living a tortured literary life on twitter for fun

at least i hope it's just for fun and he's not that clueless and retarded

>>12086304
he is a christian though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dafy2r2pPmk

>>12086334
The scientific method was always associated with the enlightenment, Francis Bacon was the antichrist and the renaissance was the biggest mistake since humanity.

>>12086345
Francis Bacon came before the enlightenment though.

>>12086344
yeah like 90% of north americans

>>12086328
Is it really so hard to grasp the equal retardation going on there?
>Idiot attempts to look profound with Petersonian aphorism
>historically illiterate comeback

>>12086334
Well this probably isn't what they meant but unlike science philosophy does span multiple epocs and communities and it talks in regards to the problematics of daily life, the knowledge which became central post-enlightenment is of a quite different qualitative sort.

>>12086302
Anon what is this fun fact?
What are the brown people doing?
Can I join in? I don't like missing out on things.
How many sets of underwear do I need to bring?

>>12086291
I heard his book is realy good. Is it true ?

>>12086346
The enlightenment was just the logical progression of the renaissance, the distinction between them isn't meaningful.

>>12086345
http://www.compilerpress.ca/Competitiveness/Anno/Anno%20Zilsel%20Roots.htm
> In the period from 1300 to 1600 three strata of intellectual activity must be distinguished: university scholars, humanists, and artisans. Both university scholars and humanists were rationally trained. Their methods, however, were determined by their professional conditions and differed substantially from the methods of science. Both professors and humanistic literati distinguished liberal from mechanical arts and despised manual labor, experimentation, and dissection. Craftsmen were the pioneers of causal thinking in this period. Certain groups of superior manual laborers (artist-engineers, surgeons, the makers of nautical and musical instruments, surveyors, navigators, gunners) experimented, dissected, and used quantitative methods. The measuring instruments of the navigators, surveyors, and gunners were the forerunners of the later physical instruments. The craftsmen, however, lacked methodical intellectual training. Thus the two components of the scientific method were separated by a social barrier: logical training was reserved for upper-class scholars; experimentation, causal interest, and quantitative method were left to more or less plebeian artisans. Science was born when, with the progress of technology, the experimental method eventually overcame the social prejudice against manual labor and was adopted by rationally trained scholars. This was accomplished about 16oo (Gilbert, Galileo, Bacon). At the same time the scholastic method of disputation and the humanistic ideal of individual glory were superseded by the ideals of control of nature and advancement of learning through scientific co-operation. In a somewhat different way, sociologically, modern astronomy developed. The whole process was imbedded in the advance of early capitalistic society, which weakened collective-mindedness, magical thinking, and belief in authority and which furthered worldly, causal, rational, and quantitative thinking.

I cant understand how he has a holocaust denier on his show. How is he ok with that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lyCh0sOlrE

>>12086341
I've watched an inordinate amount of Norm interviews and he namedrops Dostoevsky pretty often and claims to be a big fan of Russian literature

>>12086418

>>12086304
I assume it's meant to be dry? When is it let on that it's a joke?

>>12086418
>>12086428
he has tweeted several times that Dostoevsky is trash compared with tolstoi

and there's nothing more normie-tier than russian literature

>>12086461
Yes, Peterson propelled it from pseud-tier failed normal-fag tier.

Why do Americans have such a shit understanding of everything slightly related to Europe?

>>12086481
PS
Canadians too

>>12086291
The bitch pisses me off way more.

>tfw still think Russian literature is top tier
anyone else /notspookedbylitmemes/ here? don't give a fuck what your ecelebs say I know quality writing when I see it

>>12086546
>I know quality writing when I see it
Your prose suggests otherwise.

>>12086291
The enlightenment was a scam perpetrated by the freemasons

>>12086291
>KATHY MCARTY
CRINGE
CRINGE
CRINGE
CRINGE
How stupid can she be?

The Renaissance != The Enlightenment

More people should actually read Spengler instead of just post about him so that we can finally stop whinging about the enlightenment.

>>12086291
Based Norm has been reading the Russians and has been sincerely trying to find faith for years now. It's good to see him go full traditionalist and reactionary.

>>12086291
>all those seething progressivist replies

delicious

>>12086302
This reminds me of NPC dialogue in Pokemon Blue.

I mean that as a compliment.

>>12086655
other anon completely btfo

>>12086291
>invention of the printing press
Does this dumb cunt realize the printing press was invented to mass produce bibles?

>>12086302
>>12086341
It's probably better than any trash you could ever come up with tho

>>12086481
>Why do Americans have such a shit understandin
He's Canadian.
I like that every Europoster adopts a tone of great cultural understanding but commits a childish fuck up within five words

>>12086291

That reply is an abomination.

Fuck cowards who cannot face post-modern life and retreat to past failed ideologies.

>>12086329
People who use Twitter in general are pretty stupid, to be fair.

based Norm.

>>12086371
I can't tell if its just a running gag or if he's actually a Holocaust denier.
Either way, pretty funny.

>>12086371
Maybe because the holocaust never happened

>>12086291
Norm Macdonald...the comedian?

>>12086349
As a burger I know very few people who take Christianity seriously, even if their mom used to drag them to church. Most young people's parents are also most likely part of the generation that stopped giving a shit about Christianity at this point. This may be different in the deep south though.

>>12086291
Norm's just an angry old man, butthurt that his career tanked after he left SNL. Now he's grasping at straws, failing to find any meaning to his life.

>>12086461
>and there's nothing more normie-tier than russian literature
kek contrarianism has come full circle

>>12087397
worst eyebrows I've ever seen

>>12088051
hair face and body suck too

Norm is a legend in the comedy world and honestly does everything he can not to feed his audience jokes but let them arrive on their own to the punchline. SNL was a tour de force but we all know it turned to a steaming pile of dogshit.

Do people actually think him getting booted from SNL was a bad thing? It was so positive for him. He’s a fucking hero.

>>12086328
Umm excuse me sweaty, she's read some of Newton's Theological Works

>>12086358
I imagine that there were many logical outcomes for Renaissance. The Enlightenment was one of them, and it realized because of battlefield success.

>>12086296
Norm is something of a modern day Diogenes, tbqh family.

>>12088154
Yeah as far as I see it the Enlightenment was inevitable, in Europe or elsewhere.
No point complaining about it as some people do, just live with it.

youll niggas need to read mencius moldbug

>>12088119
>unpack
People who say this deserve to hang.

>>12088278
>https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2007/11/why-i-am-not-white-nationalist/
d r o p p e d

>>12088294
https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2007/11/why-i-am-not-white-nationalist/
here m8 i picked it up for you, be more careful in the future

>>12086359
Interesting, thanks.

>>12088294
>I am Jewish
That's why he's not a white nationalist. Sorry if that sounds pol-tardish and crude but it's the truth. This crap about competing tribes of sullen dark-skinned castes and alliances with liberals ALWAYS AND FOREVER winning out against the white nationalists SO DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT is just the intellectual framework he's built to justify not sympathizing with the drooling Stormfront contingent. Can't blame him because it's not in his interest (political or aesthetic) to buddy up with clowns like David Duke, but it rings hollow, especially with Trump in office

Moldbug's a smart guy but he clearly overestimated the power of "the Cathedral" to a massive degree. He's a product of his time, a smarmy Obama-age blogposter like The Last Psychiatrist who lived in a quaint and simpler era, when LMFAO was at the top of the charts and people still watched television

He's obsolete, basically

>>12088321
you realise she's not attractive.
You're probably the same fag who posted her last time.

>>12088368
What do you mean by "the Cathedral"?

>>12088372
your wrong

>>12088375
my wrong?

>>12088368
>I am Jewish
Like that's ever stopped anyone.

>>12088387
Bad taste in women AND autistic.

>>12086461
there's nothing more normie-tier than russian literature

I mean yeah people like Peterson have popularized Dostoevsky to pretty cringeworthy crowd, but your statement is just wrong. 19th century Russian literature is some of the best stuff you can read.

>>12086291
>the stygian silence

>>12088284
Fuck. I'm sorry - I have a limited vocabulary and I imitate.

>The Enlightenment caused the Printing Press
>The Enlightenment caused the Scientific Method
>The Enlightenment caused knowledge

I'm gonna fucking tear my dick off.

>>12088641
Even if it's "normie-tier" (i.e. popular) I don't see what that has to do with the quality of the literature itself. People just like to signal how superior they are by assembling perfect lists of underappreciated classics (see chart threads on /mu/ or something along those lines) and shitting on anything that doesn't give off the same aura of hip mystique

>>12086302
>Darkly Enlighted
You mean the Moldbug stuff?

>>12088374
Pretty much The System but seen through a neoreactionary lens.

>>12086546
just because something is normie-tier doesn't mean it's not quality as well, just don't try to pass reading it as some sort of accomplishment or mark of how literate you are

>>12086806
he is in showbiz, there's nothing more decadent than that

>>12086921
that's not saying much

>>12087996
i'm not saying russian literature is not top tier, just that reading it doesn't make you special

>>12089145
It's anons playing the /lit/ meta-game of literary esoterism. I guess it "validates" them.

>>12086935
>Canada isn't American

>>12088368
>but it rings hollow, especially with Trump in office
>Moldbug's a smart guy but he clearly overestimated the power of "the Cathedral" to a massive degree.

lmao, imagine believing this. The entire planet's global zeitgest is the cathedral's ideology spread through its usual tentacles (the media, academia, ngo-foundation complex, managerialist bureaucrats, astroturfed leftist groups) versus various nascent, pissed off localists and nationalists. Moldbug predicted Trump would happen in a fairly general way: that if the smugprogs kept pushing business as usual you'd get a push back from the far right that looks like Hitler or proto-Hitler. Given the massive reaction, underhandedness, and violence from the left, phenomenon like Trump, Brexit, Kavanaugh, and continuing mass immigration + terrorism/violence (with accompanying tut-tuting, denial, and gaslighting from leftists) totally validates what Moldbug said.

>>12086296
Well the tweet is a joke, so

>>12089247
but it's not funny

>>12086291
You fucking wish the afterglow of cuckstianity was gone. The only thing worse than enlightenment is that stupid fucking sand religion. Absolute poison of the mind for strong people

>>12086481
I guarantee you, the most europeans know abouts american history is that there was something called the boston tea party where they threw bags of tea into the sea

and why should they, it's not like the mutts contributed anything to the world besides late game capitalism and enviromental pollution

>>12089265
>the most europeans know abouts american history is that there was something called the boston tea party where they threw bags of tea into the sea
nobody in europe knows anything about bags of tea except anglos

>>12086966
Yes, because being an eternal incel with a Mountain Dew gut, living in your parents basement is clearly superior to living for the glory and honor of...literally anything else.

name 1 norm macdonald joke that is actually funny

why do people take the dadjoke comedian seriously

>Buzzfeed quiz: Which brother from "The Brothers Karamazov" are you?

It is a shame that Robespierre didn't completely wipe out christianity.

>>12089627
>30 celebrities that went black and DID go back

>>12089622
i like this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RARFWXn7ZWM

>>12089622
The moth one

>>12089731
pleb choice

>>12086291
What exactly is wrong with that tweet?
Isn't he right?

>>12089746
/lit/ is /leftypol/

>>12089767
you wish retard

>>12089847
i don't think libertarians exist anymore anon

>>12088284
Why?

>>12088641
Ahh yes, the world would not know of Crime and Punishment and The Brothers Karamazov if it were not for Jordan Peterson. This board truly is just full of 18-20 year old pseudo intellectuals isn't it?

>>12089622
>Murder is now legal in the state of California
>Germany vs the World
>I don't think the hypocrisy was the worst part, I think the rape was the worst part

>>12089145
????
I don't see reading as an achievement chart to fill out and use as bragging rights over dickheads on the internet. I think you've got me confused with the boogieman in your head. All I was saying is that russlit is very good and I'm not going to be shamed out of enjoying it just because a group of epeen gobbling retards picked it as their flavor of the month subject of psychobabble.
You lot are saying "normie-tier" as if that's some kind of negative, or as if anyone is calling it esoterica. Literature in general is outside the mainstream anyways, so I'm not sure what "normie literature" even means. Maybe all that time on /mu/ has rotted your brain, but calling something good != calling it unknown.

>>12086357
Made me laugh quite a few times, I'd say it's worth a read.

>>12090114
there's no need to be upset

>>12088922
>I don't see what that has to do with the quality of the literature itself.

The product attracts the consumer. If you want to dissociate the literature from the fans of that literature you are going to need to show that they like it for all the wrong reasons. It's more reasonable to assume the work is just trash than find out if it has qualities that somehow appeal to completely different people while still being coherent.

>>12086321
Otherwise known as someone who is right when not speaking purely about Enlightenment philosophy

>>12089866
It's an infuriating and obnoxious use of loose and casual language with academic intention.

>>12089861
Patchwork communism is a logical continuation of libertarianism.

>>12086291
If he had of said something like "it turned us away from spiritual fulfillment" or something he may have had a point.

>>12086291
>everything I don't like is nihilism

>>12086321
yeah man these POSERS
I was ACTUALLY THERE so I know how the REAL ENLIGHTENMENT was

>>12086291
>reeeee why can't everyone be christian like meeee

>>12086296
That's the joke. He's larping as some kind of internet philosopher and self-awarely mocking how ridiculous it sounds as a tweet.

>>12086291
>thinking the scientific method is real
>not realizing that scientists use whatever means necessary to confirm the results they know their peers will expect to see

>>12086371
It's coherent with that retarded tweet

>>12089919
>the world would not know of Dostoyevsky
What do you mean by “the world?” It’s observably true that Peterson has introduced the author to many young men who otherwise wouldn’t have heard of him. Tolstoy is shilled in most American high schools but not Dosto

>>12086806
>traditionalist and reactionary
Traditions must always be subject to criticism and evidence and the values of the past were, in theory and in practice, mostly shit.

>>12091091
But it resonated with me so I'm just going to classify it as post-irony

>>12089280
That's a romanticized vision of the past (whatever that past is) and a pessimistic vision of the future.

>>12089746
>religion
>truth
That's wrong.

>>12088159
this, seriously, we need more of him

>>12091152
>the values of the past were, in theory and in practice, mostly shit.
How so?

>>12089259
Post your physique

>>12086321
>he

>>12088159
>Diogenes accepting organized religon
This is a meme right?

>>12086418
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0B89NlPrC8

>>12091197
People considered it immoral to let another man dick you in the ass

>>12091772
Some cultural norms may seem silly close up but there may very well be an evolutionary reason for homophobia. It's a shared trait in all civilisations and even the ones that allowed same sex activity to some degree always despised exclusive homosexuality.

It's very possible that throwing fags off rooftops is better for society in the long run than accepting them.

>>12091819
throwing fags off rooftops is lindy

>>12091845
Lindy
Lindy: Name of a person who is slightly shy but shouldn't be because she is so awesome. Super funny, is way more beautiful than she realizes, and everyone would love her if she'd let them. IE: A girl who is too modest and would have plenty of friends if she'd open herself up.
"She is so modest and gorgeous too! A total Lindy!"
#lindsey#modest#linda#wendy#mindy#cindy#talented#good looking

>>12091741
Hey buddy I think you got the wrong board. /fit/ is two blocks down.
I can rep 1/2/3/4 though so I'm not weak

>>12091819
Evolutionary psychology has some good theories on the emotion of disgust correlated to survival. The sight of those using sex to not reproduce in a world with high tribal mortality rates, would instill biological triggers to expunge that aberrant behavior. This carried onto today, where mortality rates have drastically fallen, seeing two men engage in affection invokes innate disgust. Only heavy amounts of artificial cultural deprogramming is required to make a heterosexual repress such innate biological response.

>>12091955
That sounds sensible given the distaste every major culture/religion has for sex without reproduction, not limited to homosexuality but also sodomy among heteros and anticonception/abortion and the like.

>>12089866
It exemplifies leftist pretentiousness, presumptuousness and its cliched as fuck.
When someone says this they're usually just trying to hide behind some kind of vague notion of "ugh, you wouldn't understand"

>>12091921
Why would you even bother saying you can do 1 2 3 4 if you won't post current body? You know I have literally no reason to believe you

>>12091955
Right, or the more reasonable leap is that putting your penis inside a man or woman's shit covered lower intestine isn't the healthiest thing in the world

>>12092182
>I have literally no reason to believe you
Oh the horror! Stfu and get laid, incel

>>12086300
>>12086321
>>12086328
>>12086329
>>thread full of autists
Looks like pol is leaking again.

Why are women immune to this?

>>12092192
spastic response, blow it out your ass LARPfag

>>12091819
Ancient Athens was fine with gay buttsex and they pioneered western philosophy. Checkmate, straight people

>>12089242
>>12088368
trump would be to the left of Bill Clinton on a 1990s political spectrum on everything but gun control

>>12088368
Moldbug wouldnt disagree with anything you said except that he's Jewish. He doesn't think he's Jewish for some reason, while also refusing to believe the Jews had anything to do with progressivism's rise.

>>12092420
Jews just egg on the English, who are the true believers.

>>12089265
>it's not like the mutts contributed anything to the world besides late game capitalism
That's a significant contribution. Whenever I travel abroad I still feel at ease because America's influence is everywhere. I hear our songs being played, I see our clothing brands being worn, I see our restaurants, our movies, people speak to me in English. Face it: the world is becoming America.

>>12089767
I wish.

>>12092455
You're just proving him right, though. America is a harmful influence on the world and has been from day one, and you should feel bad about the destruction America has wrought on culture.

>>12092473
if you euroniggers had any culture left to begin with you wouldnt be susceptible to McDonalds and Kanye West

>>12092484
I'm American, and furthermore, it's America's fault for conquering them and imposing Americanism on them. America should be quarantined to prevent its corrosive influence from spreading.

>>12092492
its their fault for submitting to america like fags

>>12092497
Stop blame shifting. Admit that America is bad and own up to it. There is nothing good about this dumpster fire that can't even be called a country - it's better to call it an economy, really, nor was there ever.

>>12092503
I like some Americans, Albert Nock for example, who also hated America like you do, and for similar reasons. Melville is brilliant

also i like the Hoover Dam and the astronomical stuff engraved by it

>>12092509
Nock seems to be a libertarian of some kind, so he doesn't hate America nearly enough.

>>12089847
libertarians sold their souls to authoritarians here in latinoland

>>12092518
Nock is not really a libertarian, it's kind of hard to understand what exactly he is, if anything he's an Anarchist I guess, but in a conservative way.

>>12091955
>today, where mortality rates have drastically fallen
Proof of this assumption?
>Only heavy amounts of artificial cultural deprogramming is required to make a heterosexual repress such innate biological response
Proof again?

>>12092188
Condoms exist. Enemas exist. Don't be so afraid about buttsex.

>>12091977
>That sounds sensible given the distaste every major culture/religion has for sex without reproduction

Christianity had 2000 years to push homophobia into culture. Also, if your statement was true, condoms and contraceptives wouldn't be a normal thing nowadays. It only took a couple of decades. That's a sing of how far can society change when it escapes the bindings of cultural control by religion

>>12092559
Nigga even Genghis Khan outlawed homosex.
Finding homos disgusting is not something that requires heavy religious or political control, it is a natural response.

>>12092387
Note that I mentioned exclusive homosexuality. Greeks may have had some highly choreographed form of homosex, but it was expected that every man had a household, wife and family.

It's completely different from the type of aids ridden hedonism that you in atomised modern western gays.

>>12092559
Don't mistake your urbanite Western bubble for the norm, the vast majority of the world heavily penalises promiscuity.

>>12086291
I love Norm but the dudes a larping christfag. I don’t think he even truly believes in god and he’s just created this idealized version of Christianity and Christian society in his head that only existed back in the day; he believes that “progress” destroyed Christianity and uses that to justify his lack of faith. He’s struggling, poor lad.

>>12089767
Nah, they’re more enlightened centrist

>>12092810
we are u/acc sweatie

>>12086291
Omg?? Really?? Against the enlightenment??
????

>>12092559
You're also under the assumption that there is verisimilitude in because of our current society's existence. Nothing says 100 years from now we'd "regress" to a normative state where homosexuality is less appreciated.

We could easily be in a decadent Weimar-like era in the grand scheme of history, teetering on our collapse.

>>12089242
If the Cathedral was as powerful as Moldbug said it was, Trump never would have happened

>>12093054
Trump is a sign that the cathedral is weakening

>>12091084
pseud hiding behind ironic sentiment. read horkheimer+adorno

Anything "enlightenment" era related is but a mere regurgitation, remix, or a rehash of this man right here.

>>12093057
trump is merely a sign that democracy works differently in multiracial societies, in that your racial demographic is almost certain to decide who you vote for, and that this matters more than media depiction

>>12088284
>>12088284
I think it's ok when used in political contexts since simple language can have large unsaid meaning. However I do find it tiresome when it stands for 'let me attribute meaning to your words you didn't intend'

>>12086655
>creating and critiquing are the same

>>12089622
"The American people hated Hilary Clinton so much they voted for someone that they hated more"

>>12093054
>>12093057
>>12093147
Trump is no different from any other president.

>>12093968
Both sides would disagree.

>>12093973
He is taking care of geopolitics, he lies, he uses the immigration paranoia to lure followers, he protects muh guns. That's standard for a president.

>>12089231
>European education

>>12094027
I don’t disagree with you about all of that stuff, like the detainment camps thing was happening under Obama and no one gave a shit. The issue is that he lacks tact and always causes an uproar. Pretty much every other president had the rhetorical skills to pull the rug over the average joes eyes or at least convince them that they were being looked after. Donnie just doesn’t have the rhetorical chops so everyone and their mom is now upset at him. If he knew how to be persuasive and give off a Reagan vibe he could do all of the same shit he’s doing now with way less heat. I don’t think any other president has been as bad a communicator as him and it is actually causing serious perception issues both globally and locally.

>>12086302
What are you talking about?

>>12088368
I'm really interested in the point about The Last Psychiatrist. Can you elaborate, or point me in the direction of something that'll help. It helps if you assume I can't think for myself and build up the argument explicitly. Also, I'm in no hurry, so don't feel compelled to say something clever and snarky that I won't understand just to have replied.

>>12091819
Mashallah

>>12092220
>education and historical accuracy is poltardery
That's not a good look, lad.

>>12092544
He was speaking evolutionarily.

>>12092387
They certainly were not. They had a very specific form of pederasty which has no relation to Western homosexuality of the present.

>>12086291
more of a comment, really

>>12086291
Sarcastically dismissing everything only makes you look smarter to other non-that-smart people who do the same.

>>12092254
They live with feelings and not knowledge.

Isn't the US based on Enlightenment ideals?

>>12094372
At least the ads.

>>12094062
When you put it that way, he's a post-modern politician. For how long have politicians put on a act and air of formality and glibness? Half the country is horrified that he peeled back the veneer, the other half is ecstatic that he's unfiltered and raw. Meanwhile 99% of the elites are upset not primarily because of his policies, but because he undermines their prestige in the System; the public doesn't view the technocratic class as 'holy' anymore.

2016 was a rare moment where we were given the embodiment of the neoliberal establishment: Hillary Clinton vs the complete opposite of that. Trumps not ideal, but he is a prototype of what we need for the 21st Century (as abrasive as the transition process is).

>>12092711
So you're not categorically against homosexuality, only against a certain specific type of behaviour found in today's lgbt community??

>>12094372
Yes, that's why it collapsed.
Fucking shithole.

>>12094496
ah yes, the elites are very upset about a bilionaire, deregulating, tax cutting president. i can hear their screams of fear and anger from over the sea

>>12094641
Elites are not a unified body
There is a merchant class and a priestly class

>>12094641
>i can hear their screams of fear and anger from over the sea
You're not serious, right? This is exactly what they're doing.
Though not because of his policies (which I'm sure piss them off as well), but because he's drawing legitimate public ire against them.

>>12094663
Are we in the 17th century?

>>12094712
No, but humanity hasn't changed.
Instead of selling spices in Venace, they sell derivatives on Wall Street.
Instead of teaching Good & Evil from churches, they broadcast morality on CNN.

Same shit.

>>12094712
Yes. And I need directions in the direction from the plague ridden cities before my 13th child dies of tuberculosis.

>>12089767
This but unironically

>>12088119
posting on twitter ought to be punishable be death, I have just decided.

>>12086291
that's pretty good satire for a comedian

>>12091177
imagine living in 2012+6 and being optimistic for the future

>>12091183

>>12094607
My opinion has little to do with it, I'm merely making the point that if disapproval of exclusive homosexuality is so universal there is likely a reason for it since every succesful society has selected for that belief.

>>12087397
want to brutally rape art hoes and make them my gf but not permit them to speak in my presence

>>12094062
The whole point of Donald is that he doesn't want to use rhetorical chops. He says what he wants and he doesn't give a damn, he'll make fun of disabled people, he'll say that some Mexican immigrants are criminals and rapists, he straight up tells factory owners that if they move factories out of the US that he'll tariff the shit out of them.

His whole appeal is that he doesn't have a filter and he says what he wants.

>>12096966
he has a kind of crude rhetorical ability. Lyin Ted was a classic

>>12091765
no, just post ironic.

>>12096975
Exactly. He works best when he has a punching bag.
Everyone that gets in his way takes a huge hit to their career because he just does so much damage with his blunt words and his nicknames.
Low Energy Jeb, Little Rubio, Sleepy Ben Carson, Crooked Hillary, you can tell what an impact he had on Lyin' Ted's career by the results in Texas this midterm.
The other thing is that he was one of the only politicians to even touch the Immigration Question. Barely anyone else does that, and yet it's one of the most pressing issues amongst many American voters.

>>12094172
evolutionarily speaking, chimpanzees create various sex toys for their life on a daily basis.

>>12096975
>crude?
The guy is a pioneer in effective political comedy.

>>12096975
Yeah I don't know what the fuck that guy's talking about, Trump has exceptional "rhetorical chops." Listening to him speak in like listening to jazz. He has an incredible ability to improvise and generate words in a pleasing manner consistent with a general theme, but always an arrangement that's entirely unique and unrepeatable. There's an undeniable rhythm to the way he talks. He's a creature completely of the present moment and can't be tied down to pithy boilerplate soundbites that were dreamed up by Georgetown grads in a suburban NOVA office building.
>"Because you'd be in jail"
No politician other than Trump could have landed that one. Impossible.

>>12096975
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nicknames_used_by_Donald_Trump
Unironically funny af desu

>>12088647
Some say he reads books before posting about them on /lit/

>>12086291
Norm deleted it. They got to him.

sometimes i feel pessimistic about the future but then i remember the future entails the collapse of the great satan and i am happy again

>>12086291
I don’t understand why people criticize Norm. He’s a hero. He walked through blood and bone in the streets of Manhattan on 9/11 to find his brother.

>>12102009
did he find him?

>>12102009
I don't get this joke :/

>>12102041
no, turns out his borther was in northern Canada

>>12102108
it's funny because 9/11 is funny

>>12102108
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkSMSbFV_q0

>>12102123

>>12089861
Present

>>12092188
>>12091955
>>12091819
>Buttsex
Christ, what is it with the right and being obsessed with getting fucked? Does displacing your fear of getting fucked onto people in non-traditional social arrangements help make daddy governments cock glide more smoothly into your ass?

>>12086357
At times funny, at others surreal. It's definitely worth the read, I just don't think it's as good as Norm thinks it is.

>>12091065
>Patchwork communism is a logical continuation of libertarianism.
to quote our lord and savior
>Nick Land: Okay, that’s great. That’s really… This has been great fun, Justin. Best of luck. I would even go as far as “best of luck” with your communist blockchain, as long as you’re not looking for an investment.

What an embarrassing thread.

>>12086291
based kathy, the literal retard

>>12087996
>>12088641
hillary 'pokemon go to the polls' clinton's favorite book is the brothers karamazov. russian literature is as normie as it gets after 1984

>>12086291
Norm confirmed for hating knowledge

>>12086345
Francis Bacon was a hero and the renaissance was the best thing to happen so far.

>>12086291
Norm is the king of causing massive butthurt for pseuds.

>>12106335
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Rx9v_LaNN8

This interview is a perfect example. He's talking about living an ascetic lifestyle and the normie radio hosts are absolutely losing their shit about him not fucking groupies and living in a mansion and playing videogames and they laugh in disbelief when he says he reads books and doesn't covet material possessions or sexual conquest.

>>12091091
It’s so funny that people rush to claim every pseud thing Norm says is a joke. He’s a Peterson fan and considers himself some kind of intellectual. He is humble too but he has genuine opinions and a love of knowledge. It’s just that he’s also a pseud, which is fine.

>>12086291

The reply to him is just as stupid. That person is crediting the Enlightenment by using Technique related achievements, which is just laughable. Ellul was right

>>12106459
You are mistaken friend. Having stupid/incorrect opinions and ideas isn't what makes a pseud.

>>12098672
Unironically will vote for him again, everyone talks shit on him but no one has an alternative beyond liberals and neocons.

>>12106470
Fair. I think he has pseudish qualities aside from that but I don’t want to point them out due to laziness and genuine affection for Norm. I think people here place a bit too much stock in him though.

>>12086371
>YouTube puts irremovable wikipedia article about the holocaust under the video
And to think I was just about to stop believing that the holocaust was real.

>>12086655

>>12106928
you german or something? i can't see shit

>>12098672
based as fuck, I love Trump now

>>12086291
>Norm MacDonald is pomo/ dark enlightenment
How will Peterson fags ever recover

>>12086291
The only thing more cringe is Kathy McCarty and her twitterthot thought.

>>12098672
>Lyin' Ted
>Texas Ted
>Beautiful Ted

an arc that ranks with the greatest in all of heroic literature

>>12106503
I can agree with that.
I've come to realize that those with the fewest pseud tendencies are not those who are the most patrician. Rather, they are those who are most obsessed with not looking like a pseud.

>>12086302
proof that trump voters are fucking morans

>>12086302

>>12098672
>Wacky Jacky
>Mr. Magoo[55] (denied by Trump)[56]
>The Indian
>Justin from Canada
>Miss Piggy

>>12107383
>Justin from Canada
this one is so fucking good, literally genius-tier

>>12086291
unironically Based and Redpilled desu
also
>muh scientific knowlegde, muh easier life
ofc the last man loved the idea of the enlightment is the only era in which mediocrity is praised

>>12105059
>communist blockchain
You've piqued my interest