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>tfw shakespeare is too hard for me
does everyone struggle with him at first? or am i just a brainlet

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>>12088182

If you don't struggle with him then you're the real brainlet.

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>>12088189
my struggles are not of deep reading but i have trouble just parsing his words.

>> No.12088214

It seems to me as though his pieces are, as it were, enormous sketches, not paintings; as though they were dashed off by someone who could permit himself anything, so to speak. And I understand how someone may admire this and call it supreme art, but I don’t like it. --Ludwig Wittgenstein

>> No.12088223

>>12088214
actually not a bad description of shakespeare, if indicative of autism of witty's part

>> No.12088230

>>12088214
A jew doesn't like good things. Third oldest story in the Bible.

>> No.12088339

>>12088182
I don't know how I got through any Shakespeare in high school. Trying to revisit him out of curiosity, I found him to be completely unreadable.

>> No.12088350

>>12088182
The stories are simple to understand, but is near unreadable because it is not the English that we know today.

>> No.12088358

>>12088182
I got used to his manner of speaking after reading for a while, you won’t understand every word but you will understand what is going on in context. Kind of like reading Tom Sawyer, you adjust. It must be hell though if English isn’t your original language.

>> No.12088383

>>12088214
is there a compendium of wittgenstein's comments on authors? i only knew his couple on trakl and got intrigued now that i find this

>> No.12088404

>>12088383
"Culture and Value" it's all of Wittgenstein's disconnected aphorisms

>> No.12088408

>>12088404
thank you

>> No.12088561

Watch The Hollow Crown series; good acting makes the language completely transparent. Once you're used to hearing the words spoken you'll be able to read it easily.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE4HByI-GCs

>> No.12088584

>>12088182
Watch his plays performed. Read the sonnets

>> No.12089054

>>12088182
it's just annoying to read

>> No.12089065

>>12088197
>>12088182
Yes. It Shakespeare. What do you... are you underage?

I guess this thing a writing teacher once showed me is now handy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxoUUbMii7Q

>> No.12089070

>>12088383
Always thought there should be a collection, like Nabokov's list.

>> No.12089074

I think the biggest issue is how some common words meant different things back then. Like "but" or "should" used to be used in all kinds of ways that aren't what we're used to.

"Not even the sun should transgress his orbit but the Erinyes, the ministers of justice, overtake him."

"The wise are doubtful and I should not be singular if I too doubted."

>> No.12089107

>>12088182
I'm confused, OP. Who are you quoting?

>> No.12089116

>>12088182
No he is actually quite hard. people trivialize him difficulty wise because he's taught in high school but he's substantially harder than other English Renaissance writers like Marlowe and Kyd, so don't feel discouraged if you find him challenging. If you want to understand the plays comprehensively, get the Arden editions.

>> No.12089119

>>12088214
what a fucking pleb kek.

>> No.12089121

>>12089065
>Yes. It Shakespeare. What do you... are you underage?

If this is meant to approximate Elizabethan English you failed

>> No.12089126

>>12089074
Both of your quotations are perfectly consistent with modern use of should, if you're not making the inference that he's not using it in the literal suggestive sense then you're just a dummy