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Why are some of these ideas present in the gospel revealed by Christ? Not just world denial in favor of an applied philosophy of obeisance to a higher Intellect, to God. But also the specific terms: Angels. Light. The urgency of escaping the material. 'Sacerdotal' or apostolic life as psychopomp to others, *in persona Christi* in the case of priests, gatekeepers of the substance of God.

Fragment 134
>Do not hasten to the light-hating world, boisterous of matter, where there is murder, discord, foul odors, squalid illnesses, corruptions, and fluctuating works. He who intends to love the Intellect of the Father must flee these things."

Matthew 16:24-27
>Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul? For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done."


Fragment 136
>For no other reason does God turn away from man and, with his living power, send him on empty pathways.

Romans 11:32
>For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.


Scholars of /lit/ pls help. Are Christian texts just the latest revision of ancient secret mysteries? Is literally all philosophy based on a Platonic-Chaldean assumption of-about a God?

>> No.12076292

>>12076271
>Scholars of /lit/ pls help. Are Christian texts just the latest revision of ancient secret mysteries? Is literally all philosophy based on a Platonic-Chaldean assumption of-about a God?

Yes, don't tell narrow-minded bigoted """"""""""""""""""""""""Christians""""""""""""""""" this or they'll pounce on you and think you're being misled by Satan, when, ironically, it is only them themselves being misled by Satan.

>> No.12076727

>>12076292
I'm not too worried about religious, because I'm not discussing religion. I'm more interested in gaining a better perspective on the origins of these ideas. For what it's worth I am a Catholic and have sincere faith in God.

>> No.12077390

bump

>> No.12078268

Bump. If no replies, lit is officially useless.

>> No.12078444

>>12078268
This is the easiest way to get no replies.
>a bone
Osiris is a messionic figure from Ancient Egypt which predates the concept in all Judeo-Christian culture.
see The Papyrus of Ani
>The Book of the Dead

>> No.12078502

>>12078268
here have one

>> No.12080082

>>12076271
Bump for interest

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>>12076271
>Why are some of these ideas present in the gospel revealed by Christ?

BECAUSE THE CHALDEAN ORACLES ARE CHRISTIAN SCRIPTURE...

>> No.12081464

>>12078444
Trips of truth.

>Egypt
Does that mean Hermes Trismegistus is involved?

>>12080103
Plausible.

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>>12076271

Not much is known about the origin of the oracles, The oracles are from II century AD, and that was a very chaotic period for pagan culture, because two monothestic religions (judaism and christianity) had entered philosophical debate and appropriated instruments of discussions of Greek philosophy, which was relatively open to criticism and the interaction between opposing ideas, with the religious zeal of those who have to prove the truth of their own god - which is a claim typical of monotheistic religions and which was not a problem for the Greeks, who where less concerned with proving the existence of divinity but rather with understanding its nature. Of course, this was not entirely negative, as debate with christian and jews sparkled interesting theories and gave birth to various synchretic texts. Cultures influenced each other and the Greeks started to look at their own culture as a unified whole, much like the christians and the jews. This resulted sometimes in promoting Platonic philosophy as something akin to an evangelical revealed truth, and gave birth to several Platonic-minded/influenced text which has the character of religious revelation. The Chaldean Oracles and the Poimander are usually considered examples of those texts. If you find coincidences with christian/judaic culture my hypothesis would be that it is mostly because of the historical context in which the text was composed, which was synchretic and made it easy for influences coming from different cultures to be mixed into a single philosophical work.

>> No.12083508

>>12081464
>Plausible.

It’s evident that they are Christian scripture. Why wouldn’t they be?

>> No.12084781

>>12083508
No mention of Christ.

>> No.12085419

Convert to Zoroastrianism.