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I'm quitting smoking and I feel grumpy as fuck. What are some books for this feel?

>> No.12076106

Thank You for Smoking by Christopher Buckley

>> No.12076115
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Plato’s Republic
Aristotle’s Metaphysics

>> No.12076117

zeno's conscience by italo svevo

>> No.12076134

>>12076117
was gonna post this

>> No.12076138
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>>12076093
Just switch to roll your own cigarettes instead. The best writers have always been tobacco smokers. If I could afford to smoke daily, I would.

>> No.12076157

>>12076093
>>12076138
Read it with some Camel snus or the smallest pinch of chewing tobacco. Best to have a new cheaper and healthier habit to transition to. Also. Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.

>> No.12076159

>>12076093
Catcher in the Rye.

>> No.12076165

>>12076138
I smoke sometimes. It's definitely /lit/ but it's bad for your lungs and throat. I could afford it everyday but I don't want to die that young.

>> No.12076188

>>12076165
I personally only smoke around two a day. People often neglect to realize that the average smoker (and certainly the type that ends up with cancer) is a genuinely gross person with little self control. I couldn't imagine smoking anywhere near a pack a day for years. It's like those chronic alcoholics who need a pint of straight vodka to stay at baseline, compared to a regular person who may enjoy a couple glasses of wine in the evening It's just a hell of a lot easier to be a functional heavy smoker.

>> No.12076233

>>12076188
alcoholic drug addict who smokes a pack a day reporting in, we are indeed repulsive people
every year or so though i go through a period where i quit everything and work out a lot, making myself quite attractive and I find some victim to pull into my raging decline back into hedonism

>> No.12076248

Honestly?
Bright Lights, Big City. That book really helped me out when I stopped doing cocaine

>> No.12076728

>>12076093
everything stephen king has ever written.

> horror story begins
> prot. is quitting cigarettes

>> No.12076731

nice blogpost

>> No.12076744

>>12076188
One or one billion cigarette a day = same cardiovascular risk. Also the 'type that ends up with cancer' is highly determined by genetics.

You sound like an asshole (the type that ends up not getting invited)

>> No.12077128

>>12076744
>One or one billion cigarette a day = same cardiovascular risk
Bad science, not a fact. This is derived from non-randomized epidemiological studies with ambiguities in their methodology leading to gross oversimplifications such as this factoid. Smokers, for years, were observed and thought by most physicians to have lower rates of hypertension relative to general population, and recently as the late 1990s and 2000s, more nuanced studies out of Japan, again showing this, now referred to as the Smoker's Paradox, and a lower prevalence of hypertension relative to non-smokers and some of these Japanese studies even showing lower instances of cardiovascular insults like myocardial infarction and stroke.
Tobacco smoke has pharmacological properties about it that would explain why both why such a paradoxical hypotension may be induced and the why the expected oxidative stress of the tobacco smoke on the the quick introduction to circulatory would be ameliorated: 1. Tobacco Smoke increases nitric oxide levels independent of nicotine, which exerts a vasodilatory effect. 2. Tobacco Smoke contains significant quantities of coenzyme Q10, which is very cardioprotective. 3. Tobacco Smoke contains MAO inhibitors, which, explain the paradoxical lower blood pressure in very heavy smokers; whereby norepinephrine is now partly displaced by octopamine, precipitating hypotension. Lastly, such studies as you mention consider any recent tobacco use within a given time-frame (generally a year) as a smoker; which, ignores the sudden compensatory consequences that quitting may inflict. Tangentially, terminating an MAOI therapy in most patients usually results in a transient increase in BP for a number of weeks to months (arising due to higher production of MAO enzymes in response to months or years of being inhibited). An older study did consider the consequences of quitting but found nothing, although it had a very low sample of around n=16 if I recall correctly. If this thread is still up in a few days, I'll find it.

The issue is still hotly contested and unsettled, even today:
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/crp/2011/264894/

>> No.12077172

I was smoking like 40 cigs a day, Switched to vaping in order to avoid death,

>> No.12077205

>>12076744
I don't know about the science, but that is obviously stupid. Smoking less is better than smoking more.

>> No.12077229

>>12077172
Unless you reduced your nicotine consumption too, you're might very well be worse off.

>> No.12077230

>>12076115
>smoking pot
for what purpose?

>> No.12077282

>>12076744
>One or one billion cigarette a day = same cardiovascular risk. Also the 'type that ends up with cancer' is highly determined by genetics

Lmfao. You are a fucking idiot.

>You sound like an asshole (the type that ends up not getting invited)

Well if the way I talked here was the same way I talked with real people, I bet you'd be right. Thankfully I'm not as autistic as yourself.

>> No.12077295

>>12077229
Pretty much all of the medical literature just concerning the effects of nicotine suggests that it's practically benign. If anything, it seems that there are some minor benefits to consuming it (I believe there was a statistically significant effect on alzheimers/dementia rates among nicotine consumers)

Of course, there's nothing pleasant about being severely addicted to nicotine, and the jury's still out about the long term effects of vaping. Heavy metals in the shitty Chinese coils and all that.

>> No.12077310

>>12077229
Probably not. I guess the world is doing a good job brainwashing it's subjects. Vaping is better than sucking burning crap into your lungs. Light cigs are better for you than full flavor but now they are not even allowed to advertise that some are more healthy than others. Logic for the millions. A rare book but fun if you can find it.

>> No.12077314

Quitting was easy for me, I was steady smoking until I went through a trauma related to it. Haven't had a smoke since then (8 months) nor even think about it.
You can't taper off, it's either cold turkey or bust. Good luck op.

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>>12077282
You can physically speak the same way around others in the real world once you make it far enough in life. The power must be used sparingly and wisely though.

>> No.12077328

>>12077310
It's okay that tobacco companies aren't able to lie about cigarettes being "healthy" in any sense. What isn't okay is that they can't be honest about which ones are less harmful. That's just liberal garbage.

>> No.12077340

>>12077314
What trauma, senpai?

>> No.12077343

>>12077328
tbqh they should be able to say whatever they like and the customer should have to decide for himself who to trust

>> No.12077355

Just quit myself and I’m tired as shit. Anyone else have the same problem? I can’t focus enough to read or do anything interesting. Anyone know how long this lasts?

>> No.12077360

>>12077328
More healthy=less harmful. I don't see what the libs have to do with it.
Liberalism is a mental disorder. Also a fun book

>> No.12077364

>>12077355
Forever

>> No.12077419

>>12077340
I got brain problems, smoking lead to a situation where I was about to die if not for someone interrupting.
I had to quit because I get extremely nauseous when I see a cigarette.

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>>12077310
>Pretty much all of the medical literature just concerning the effects of nicotine suggests that it's practically benign.
At the equivalent of 40 cigarettes, it is a substantial amount of nicotine. I use nicotine as needed, but never in such high doses. The cardiac load of pure nicotine is worse than tobacco smoke for the the reasons described here >>12077128

>>12077310
>I guess the world is doing a good job brainwashing it's subjects.
Conspiracy right off the bat. I have nothing against typical use of vaping but consuming nearly 40mg of pure nicotine per day is an insanely high amount and is going to yield significant vasoconstriction and hypotension, worse than were it tobacco smoke. The reason you don't see nicotine patches in greater than 21mg amounts is because high-dose nicotine replacement therapy recorded too many adverse reactions. Rest assured, if GlaxoSmithKline could sell 40 or 42mg patches (they back multiple small studies using these doses), they would.
>Vaping is better than sucking burning crap into your lungs.
Based on? It sounds better? The other "burning crap" actually contained constituents that lessened the cardiovascular effects of the amount of nicotine you were consuming. Oh well.
>Light cigs are better for you than full flavor but now they are not even allowed to advertise that some are more healthy than others
They aren't. The proliferation in the cigarette enable more air to be taken in, where the smoke is further aerosolized which enables it to work it's way deeper into the lung.

https://academic.oup.com/jnci/article-abstract/109/12/djx075/3836090/Cigarette-Filter-Ventilation-and-its-Relationship

http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/11/suppl_1/i51

"Filter ventilation 1) alters tobacco combustion, increasing smoke toxicants; 2) allows for elasticity of use so that smokers inhale more smoke to maintain their nicotine intake; and 3) causes a false perception of lower health risk from “lighter” smoke."

>they are not even allowed to advertise that some are more healthy than others.
That's because it was nonsense in the first place, created to satisfy the canard that the main danger of tobacco consumption was the quantity of the icky tar consumed, mostly to appeal to the dolts subscribing to your "burning crap" argument. There is a reason why the John Wayne style smokers smoking 60-100 unfiltered cigarettes GENERALLY had better oncological diagnoses, mostly large cell cancers, limited to the the pulmonary periphery compared to what we now see in pack-and-a-half a day light-cigarette smokers who have adenocarcinoma in the innermost recesses of the lung and and much more aggressive small cell cancers.

>> No.12077586

>>12077364
shit

>> No.12077613

https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine

>> No.12077615

Decided to quit a week and half ago and bought a vape. Hate this vape shit. Considering just have a cigarette and going cold turkey

>> No.12077627

>>12076233
Would actually read some autobiographical work of yours at least for entertainment value

>> No.12077673

>>12077615
Switch to non-aromatic pipe tobacco and don't inhale. It will satisfy you and will be less harmful than cigarette smoking.

>> No.12077706

>>12077615
Also, buy a corn-cob pipe if you've never had tobacco from a pipe before. It's ready to smoke and requires no breaking in like a conventional pipe. Cheap too, you can get them for a few bucks, enabling you to get started with pipe tobacco smoking for the price of a pack of cigarettes.

>> No.12077798

Vape, you can get the nicotine which is why the /lit/erate smoke.

>> No.12077967

>>12077798
>didn't read the thread, the post.

>> No.12077986

>>12077967
>Taking other people's opinions into account.
LMAO at your life.

>> No.12077995

>>12077986
cringe

>> No.12078022

How can I force a loved one to stop it? Are nicotine patches a good idea?

>> No.12078028

>>12078022
How old are they? If they're older than 40, it's best to let sleeping dogs lie. Quitting may even be worse for their health depending on how long they were smokers.

>Are lung cancers triggered by stopping smoking?
http://www.medical-hypotheses.com/article/S0306-9877(06)00780-8/fulltext

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>>12076093
Very good book for deprogramming your brain and making it waaayy easier to quit and stay not smoking.

>> No.12078865

Not really about quitting, but the end of Kafkas Giant Mole short story with the narrator finding the teachers smoking repulsive made me realise how strong my stench is to non-smokers.

>> No.12080621

>>12077586
Don't listen to anon, he's being an ass.

No, it doesn't last forever. Your body will obviously have to adjust (you are going through drug withdrawals afterall) but in time the physical effects will dissipate. Hang in there nigger.

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https://www.scribd.com/document/44685607/Smoking-is-Good-for-You-William-T-Whitby

http://wispofsmoke.net/PDFs/Whitby.pdf

>> No.12081616

>>12076138
It's all fun until you get fucking sick
quit smoking boys, I regret doing it for so many years because it ruined everything I had

>> No.12081651

>>12081616
What happened?

>> No.12082521

But smoking is just starting to get cool again, don't quit now!