/lit/ - Literature

>>12072538
no only paid shills for fake news write about wars
now go back to your containment board you illiterate fucking frogposter

>>12072538
I know Assad but who are the other two guys in the image?

>>12072538
Yes, there's all kinds of stuff see: "Washington's Long War on Syria", but don't expect anything that's really "unbiased"

>>12072636
Guy on the wall next to assad is the leader of Hezbollah iirc

>>12072538
plenty of shill journos that appeal to Russian sensibilities as well
idk who are worse, probably the western ones

>>12072666
I should have phrased it better, I meant memoirs, essays, poetry, novels. Anything that comes up on english google is by le revoltion types and designed and marketed in a very biased way, and others are just corny refugee writing. pic related is the stuff that gets marketing campaigns. I wanted to read something by patriotic syrians that aren't really in a specific political camp and grieve for their country going up in flames.

>>12072548
did I touch a nerve?
>>12072690
yeah those are bad too, but I don't know russian and arabic so can't really give accurate examples of them.

>>12072538
The shit is too complicated for people outside of Syria and even people inside have a hard time summarising what the fucking fuck went on.

>>12072690
At least the Western ones (assuming we talk about reputable papers) have the pretence for actual information sprinkled with propaganda. Russian news are full of whataboutery and factual bullshit, and most idiotic Westerners who parrot Russian propaganda don't even realize just how fucked journalism in Russia is. Even the average toilet paper tier stuff like The Sun or DM look like Pulitzer winners compared to the crap.

>>12072750
forgot pic

>>12072753
>whataboutery
theres nothing wrong with this, it's called holding people to the same standards

>>12072636
That's pepe he's a frog and hate symbol

>>12072764
Whataboutery and holding people to same standards are different fucking things, the former is done in a deflective way, which instead of painting a more complete picture, is having a toddler with crayons mess it all up even further.

>>12072789
or it's calling to attention facts that are uncomfortable for the person involved. If youre saying that some action needs to be taken against Russia for something theyve done, then it,'s perfectly valid to point out if the US did it as well, and nobody said anything needed to be done about it, because it's showing that it's not the action that matters, it's who does it.

>>12072795
Sure but you are not talking about whataboutery but basic ass objectivity. Russian media does the former AND lack the latter, while Western media only somewhat struggles with the latter part.

And then the mess gets even worse when you add realpolitik. Murica and some of their allies caused way more damage than Russian can dream about, but you can't realistically boycott them without fucking up your economy.
When it's more balanced, you have a situation and USA and China bitching about each others hackers but not being able to act due the dependance.

>>12072821
>but you can't realistically boycott them without fucking up your economy.
which makes all this talk of international law ridiculous

>>12072829
Pretty much. But at the same time, people are more likely to get triggered by complete inactions than ineffective actions.

>>12072753
>At least the Western ones (assuming we talk about reputable papers) have the pretence for actual information sprinkled with propaganda.

You say this as if this was a better state of affairs. You've obviously never read any of the early propaganda books by Bernays, et. al. The best propaganda is exactly that. So while places like Russia or China can be immediately seen as hamfisted attempts at persuading people, the West has a more insidious media and propaganda system.

You are so thoroughly propagandized that you don't even know it.

fuck syria
fuck russia
fuck usa
fuck israel
fuck un
fuck nato
fuck eu
hail odin

>>12072992
>So while places like Russia or China can be immediately seen as hamfisted attempts at persuading people
From the outside when you have other sources available.

Besides while the Western approach is more sophisticated and hence harder to see through, the bits of objectivity make the picture painted more complicated and in times of information overload it's frustrating, so some people are more likely to go for the black and white shit. Majority of literature about propaganda was written during a completely different time on almost every level, these days Bernays is the equivalent of Freud.

>>12073024
>From the outside when you have other sources available.

From the outside of what? The country? The original context of your moronic claims was the entire global media eco-system that targets different audiences irrespective of their geography (certain westerners consuming Russian media; which btw, is probably yet another overblown thing by the establishment western media similar to the "russian hackers" that consisted of a bunch of morons on social media posting memes).

>Besides while the Western approach is more sophisticated and hence harder to see through, the bits of objectivity make the picture painted more complicated and in times of information overload it's frustrating, so some people are more likely to go for the black and white shit.

IT'S NUANCED DAD, YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND THE NUANCE OF THE US STATE DEPARTMENT'S PUBLIC DIPLOMACY AND NGOS LIKE THE SYRIAN SUPPORT GROUP, OR THE MIDDLE EAST PARTNERSHIP INITIATIVE, OR CITIZENS FOR A FREE KUWAIT, OR WHATEVER OTHER PUPPET ORGANIZATION THAT THE NEW YORK TIMES IS QUOTING TODAY TO DESTABILIZE YET ANOTHER COUNTRY. LOOK! THEY HAVE DEAD BABBY ON TV! YIKES! EXPERTS ASSURE US THAT THESE GRAINY PHOTOS AND VIDEO FOOTAGE LOOK LIKE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION! WE SHOULD BOMB THEM. LOOK AT THESE FREEDOM FIGHTERS FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM DEMOCRACY JUSTICE LGBT. THIS CRYING BROWN PERSON IS GAY TOO. PEOPLE THAT DON'T LISTEN TO LATE NIGHT FUNNY MAN'S THOUGHTS ON BOMBING BAD MAN LEADER ARE STUPID AND NOT NUANCED.

>Majority of literature about propaganda was written during a completely different time on almost every level, these days Bernays is the equivalent of Freud.

lmao you have no idea what you are talking about. Contemporary PR and communications still derives much of its strategy from classical rhetoric, which is exactly what Bernays did. The foundation for his texts wasn't the psychology of the time, it was a few thousand years of rhetoric and oration scaled up to apply to the mass media system. The problem is that you are a liberal bugman who sees everything in terms of SCIENCE! It's no wonder you take a fence-sitting approach while simultaneously making excuses for a media system that lied about wars over and over. You absolutely disgusting warmongering piece of shit.

>>12072538
Ugly
Dumb
Frog-posting scum

>>12073169
Good lord, don't forget your pills next time.

>Contemporary PR and communications still derives much of its strategy from classical rhetoric
>it was a few thousand years of rhetoric and oration scaled up to apply to the mass media system
Repeating thousands of variations of banal memes isn't classic rhetoric. (You know, the "establishment western media" bullshit) And modern mass media is nothing like the news papers or even television, where content was at least slightly curated. Social media bubbles, targeted news and bots might have some abstract basis and traces in established concepts (just like Psychology and Freud) but current overexposure and news as entertainment create a different dynamic between the audience and the media; before we even touch how most newspapers are scrapping by, and how modern propaganda focuses more on demoralisation than calls to action that go beyond consumption.

> making excuses for a media system that lied about wars over and over.
Western media goes beyond Faux News. Even in Murica, a decent part of the newspapers were sceptical. Only the broadcast sector was mostly pro war, but given how it was owned by huge corporations, it's given. Besides, once again an example how the modern media landscape is nothing alike, when some random blogger or a YT talking head can target hundreds of thousands of people.

>Middle Eastern war

>>12072636
Hassan Nasrallah (Hisbullah Leader); Issam Zahreddine, a druze who lead the defense of the city of Deir Ez Zor during the 3+ year long siege against ISIS (he died days after the lifting of the siege when his vehicle hit a landmine)

>>12072771
Kek. I saw this coming.
>>12074689
Thanks man.

>>12074566
Kill yourself fucking anti-Semite fucker

>>12072538
the Syrians themselves. read Twitter. also Simona Foltyn covered it for a while with the Kurds. very brave woman.

>>12072679
Yup, Hassan Nasrallah. Guy in the picture frame is a Syrian commander, I think he died in combat? Not too sure.

>>12072771
That's not Pepe that's my baby boy Apu Apustaja

>>12076306
Nice

>>12074689
RIP in peace Shia Santa Claus. Wish I could post my favorite picture of you here but it has the gore of your enemies so alas I cannot.

>>12072750
Do you really think anything by a patriotic Syrian could get past the corporate censures? Maybe in a few decades after a civilized country replaces the US as hegemon.