/lit/ - Literature

>>12070880
Hume, Kant, and Hegel are examples of philosophers who found racism obviously true and mentioned it a bit. Nobody back then thought to defend the idea much because it hadnt been the subject of a sustained and insane attack by mendacious Jews.

>>12070880
>Diversity is a myth. You're probably racist.
Literally what did she mean by this

>>12070880
isn't this the type of shit that encourages literal-whos with relatively unstable mental states to go out and shoot a bunch of people?

How can you be racist if races don't exist in the first place?

>>12070916
If you're a pseud

>>12070880
What do you mean "supporting racism"? Racism is a fundamental feature of human biology. What you're asking is akin to
>Has there ever been a writer/philosopher that’s given a good argument supporting sky? Supporting carbon? Supporting light?
Racism simply is. Certain groups of human beings are different from other groups; therefore, racism. Life itself discriminates according to race. You can come to terms with this objective reality or you can invest yourself in some nonexistent egalitarian Utopian ideal. Since investing yourself in a conspiratorial fantasy is good way to explain away personal failures and fuel resentment and envy, most people choose it over the harsh facts of life. But the reality of human difference remains no matter how many sociological studies and New York Times articles tell you otherwise.

>>12070880
>you like race baiting, don't you, OP?

>>12070880
Is aknowledging racial diversity really racist ?
I don't think there's a superior race if that matters.

>>12070939
>Racism is a fundamental feature of human biology.
inbreeding is a fundamental feature of your family's genealogy

>>12070976
got him haha, no you wont have to think about what he's saying
your views remain fashionable and safe, you dont have to worry about getting in trouble
haha based

>>12070961
Once you've admitted that races exist, the next logical step is admitting that some races are superior to others. Difference automatically leads to hierarchy.

>>12070939
You don't know dick about biology or anthropology, stfu.

>>12070989
>about biology or anthropology, stfu.
about the carefully truncated version of these disicplines offered in universities*

>>12070983
>Superior
Cringe
>>12070993
No, in general

"Blue birds fly with blue birds, and yellow birds fly with yellow birds"

-Mohammed Alí

>>12070999
>in general
you wouldn't kniow about these disciplines in general because you have a panic response to racism

>>12070983
Based on what ?
I don't treat an asian or a black person any different from a white nor do I assume they are less intelligent .

>>12071025
Except I do, and I do not have a panic response to racism.

>>12070983
>the next logical step
It's very glaring when pseuds use 'logic' as a buzzword to legitimize their dumbass comments.

Diversity is very real, and has little to do with genetics(in humans), but life style and ways of thinking. Which are being homogenized in technocapital ecosolvent.

>>12070993
What are your sources, Anon?

>>12071010
>I get hit in the face, and Don King gets paid for it

>>12071031
Look around you, inequality is built into the very fabric of existence. Dogs are superior to flies, lions are superior to dogs, humans are superior to other animals, etc. Nature is built on heirarchy. "Race" is the wrong word to use - the correct answer would be that certain groups of men with shared characteristics are superior to others, and that they are inherently worth more

>>12071105
>Dogs are superior to flies, lions are superior to dogs, humans are superior to other animals, etc.
Retarded. Systematists, the people in charge of classifying life, do not feel this way at all. Superiority is a value judgement based on sentimentality and has absolutely nothing to do with scientific understanding and objective reality. Cave-man tier level of understanding you have. I say that, but primitive people often do not feel superior to the other forms of life around them.
You are completely wrong.

>>12071105
>lions are superior to dogs
This is exactly the kind of thoughtless, sweeping claim that 'X is just human nature, bro' types always make.
Can you defend this statement at all?

"Racism" describes a normal human reaction to a potential outside resource competitor or threat.

Jews try to stigmatize normal things like this because they are trying to control whites by appealing to our desire to not be seen as immoral. You see the same thing going on with this campaign against "hate."

These are social engineering practices, making normal emotions and reactions seem taboo, perpetuated by jews who view whites as a potential threat to their own power and ability to steal our resources, and who thus want to try and keep us in line through this type of propaganda.

>>12071140
>Americans thinking their weird racial fetish stuff is human nature

>>12071105
Superior you say.
What's the yardstick ?
Evolution, size, skills, the ability to survive and pass on your genes or subjegate and butcher any species that challenges our primacy ?
To nature humans aren't worth more than dogs, that's what a human could believe.

>certain groups of men with shared characteristics are superior to others, and that they are inherently worth more

What characteristics

>>12071122
you're the one that has to defend the idea that different groups are somehow equal when the support for that is virtually non-existent and totally and completely unintuitive and outlandish.

>>12071147
This. Anon, doesn't it feel good to not be American and not have to subscribe to this autistic worldview.

>>12071162
>different groups
What groups? Race is not a scientific tenable concept

>>12071162
If you think you are so superior to insects, let's see you fly, go on and try.

>>12071177
hurr de durr race isnt real somalis are japanese
thank you for your contribution

>>12071162
I'm not the guy you replied to and I make no claim. Can you please tell me how lions are superior to dogs?

>>12071182
That's not what his statement means, my man.

>>12071182
>still doesn't show that race is a scientifically tenable concept

>>12071182
You're playing dumb now.

>>12071162
They aren't equal, in function and ability. They are morally equal however. Superiority is not a scientific value, it's totally based on asthetic value, which is as far from universal and objective as can be.

>>12071162
What characteristics ?

>>12071189
as long as you understand that Somalis are genetically incapable of acting like Japanese people on average

sure ok 'race isnt real' as long youre aware of the above fact

>>12071177
sorry but that's just not true.

>>12071181
>>12071183
I'm not the anon that made any claim of superiority or inferiority. Those are value judgments, and value judgments are not the realm of science. I just make the claim that there are differences.

>>12071205
I'm not aware of this fact, Anon, but I can be. Once you explain to me why is it true, then I can be aware of it all day long.

>>12071207
>He uses a couple bones to justify his claim
Look at the fool, what year do you think we are in ?

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>>12071183
>t. Shitskins that came over from their disgusting brown countries to the homeland of the pure and superior.

>>12071207
Yeah well racism is defined by superiority/inferiority judgements. Simply recognizing differences is not racism.

>>12071214
You are either a nigger or completely oblivious to everything around you.

>>12071201
>They aren't equal, in function and ability.
Correct. This is my only claim, though the implications in the real world are that we have to stop making policy based on the idea that groups should somehow be uniformly represented in every facet of society.
>>12071200
Virtually all of them.
>>12071218
He said race was not a scientifically tenable concept. There are many ways to show him otherwise, the least controversial one usually being that bone structure is minutely different between different races, just as it is between different sexes.

>>12071205
What are these genes? Can you show me this research?

>>12071223
try telling people that one group of humans is genetically less likely to be able to succeed in math and see if they call you racist

>>12070889
Looks like a brown dirt-worlder who really loves living in European lands.

>>12071222
How pathetic

>>12071231
Anon, could you please not call me a nigger and explain to me why Somalians are genetically incapable of acting like the Japanese?

>>12071232
>He said race was not a scientifically tenable concept. There are many ways to show him
Have you found the research that backs you up yet?

>>12071232
>Virtually all of them
Name 2

>>12071240
How so?

>>12071232
> we have to stop making policy based on the idea that groups should somehow be uniformly represented in every facet of society.
If they are so different than equal representation should sort itself out. They are morally equal and should be given equal opportunity, race is a very small factor compared to individual differences and circumstances. There are millions of non-whites that are more fit to do the job than their white counter parts, and vis versa. You are wrong about this one.

>>12071222
Cringe and checkedpilled

>>12071223
So you agree that I'm not a racist, thank you. I would use these differences to go further and say that because there are differences in the races, and because we do not know exactly how deep these differences go into the mind, it is absolute insanity to suggest that different races and sexes should be represented uniformly in all occupations, predilections, prowess at certain tasks, etc etc. Again, I am not making this claim in an inferiority/superiority.

>>12071246
Well according to the data and history, IQ and athletic ability.
>>12071245
Yes, there is plenty of peer-reviewed research that corroborates what I am saying. The problem is that you, without having read or studied or seriously considered the possibility of your being wrong, will immediately discard it as racist research, because you do not like the conclusions.

>>12071262
You wasted the trips

>>12071235
Well that does has racist undertones and is asshole behavior. I am better at learning math than almost everyone around me. if I went around taughting that fact, I would expect everyone to hate me.
Do you see a retarded kid on the street and immediately start talking about how retarded he is? That isn't kind and it isn't smart.
Just don't be a dick.

>>12070889
This sounds like something I would say, but what I mean is that everyone perceives "race", most of all those who campaign against "racism" (>>12070916), and "diversity" is a bankrupt concept that has no place among mature people.

Wild guess here - she probably means that the SJW struggle is far from complete and that people like myself still need to be forcibly reeducated a la Mao et al.
>>12070983
insincere post, but i'll take the b8
>once you've admitted that colours exist, the next logical step is admitting that some colours are superior to others. Difference automatically leads to hierarchy.
kys

>>12071262
It's just a lazy insult.
>t. brown person
That anyone can do for anyone else. It proves nothing except that you believe me to have dark skin and that you probably don't like me because I'm expressing opinions you don't like.

>>12071263
I don't think so, but your post isn't clear to me: are you suggesting that equality (as in uniform representation) should exist in occupations? That a population that is 12% black, 50% white, 30% hispanic, 8% asian for example, should proportionally represent this population well in the field of, for example, landscape labor?

I agree that we should let it sort itself out, but that is not what is happening today.

>>12071268
>Well according to the data and history, IQ and athletic ability.
Inconsistent and biased

>>12071287
>Inconsistent and biased
isolated demand for rigour
IQ is a reproducible and robust measure that predicts well for many outcomes, and has a large hereditary component

>>12071279
>race is just skin colour
off yourself

>>12071285
>but that is not what is happening today
I think most of the Anons who are disagreeing with you can agree with you on this issue. The beauty of a meritocracy is that we don't need to segregate based on race/gender/whatever because a meritocracy should allow for the segregation to happen automatically on an individual level.

>>12071287
How so?

>>12071235
lmao psychologists don't even understand the cognitive bases for innate mathematical ability, never mind being able to correlate specific genes with such a skill
any papers to back up your claim? no?
NEXT

>>12071269
They only confirmed the truth.

>>12070880
Virtually all of them, at least of those that talked baout it. Unless you exclusively read post-1965 memes. It's a strange question though. Most philosophers focus on other topics, and their racism will be secondary memetics on the side, like Schopenhauer or Kant.
If you want general arguments against egalitarianism, or about the biological nature of man, you'll find plenty.

>>12071293
i was literally referring to most people's ability to differentiate different wavelengths of light, nothing more. happy?
NEXT

>>12071299
you dont need that, you just need to show that IQ is largely fixed from birth, determined mostly by the IQs of your parents, and that it predicts for many things

None of this is controversial and perfectly explains why some populations are so bad at everything

You would be able to see how reasonable all this is if you had the smallest amount of honesty in you, but you dont

>>12071299
>give me papers and articles made by other people because i can think for myself
How many negroes and how many Whites or Asians are majoring in mathematics or physics?

>>12071304
If you think that turquoise for example is not a superior colour to brown then you should OFF yourself

You know, it really is an American problem that's been exported outwards.
Look at this jaw breathing mongoloid census data these people collect. Sometimes when I get annoyed with Americans, I pause and look at this image just to remind myself what a moronic environment these people are raised in, and what kind of weird conception of reality they all have.

>>12070906
yes an no. The ideology is something that acts as a vehicle for a deviant's capacity for violence and hate, but does not represent the object of hate itself. It's a situation where ideology becomes a performative exercise that validates their preexisting sense of alienation/disillusionment

>>12071308
Anecdotal evidence but I was one of three Caucasians in a math class this semester. The other seventeen or so were Asians.

>>12071307
AHAHAHAHA
go back to reading your jizzstained sparknotes on evola or whoever's ideas you co-opt to justify your own ignorance of empirical science

>>12071330
Proves the point of races being different. Also, it's not anecdotal evidence, it happens in every university. You should research it, big brain.

>>12071326
Now compare that to the Canadian census data. A logical cataloging of races, with actual demographic information collected beyond "r u white, brown, yellow, or black? pick one and also are u a mexican?".

Which isn't to defend those annoying foreigners who jump on sjw stuff for their own self-advancement. But god is the whole thing retarded.

>>12071335
This is what i mean, your mind is a meme, truly pathetic. I wonder what sort of sophistry the left will resort to once genetic evidence for IQ does start coming in. Probably some further demand for even more rigorous evidence.

>>12071308
>culture is genetically determined
any papers? no?
NEXT!

>>12071268
>still doesn't post any research
I'll accept anything from a reputable peer reviewed journal, from the last 20 years

>>12071246
Ranked, roughly, by their biological strong determination.

>>12070889
she probably means that even progressives are racist in their own way (which is true) and that they should everyone should stop being racist (which is false)

>>12070916
how can you have a favourite colour if all "colours" are just ambiguously decided linguistically relative areas on a spectrum of light? checkmate bigot bluephobes

>>12071354
https://bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/1471-2148-11-16

>>12071314
I suffer from rod monochromacy so I don't even perceive such spooks
thanks for the suggestion though

>>12071344
fine, in your own words define IQ

>>12071355
This picture doesn't show that race is a scientifically tenable concept. Please try again. You should be able to find research that shows there is a uniform and discreet 'black race' or 'white race' etc

>>12071364
based Chinks who dont care about progressive dogma

>>12071364
Doesn't show that race is a scientifically tenable concept. We know genetics exists, you need to show race exists. So far you've not been able to, but I am patient

>>12071370
races are a collective group that exhibit less gene differentiation than other groups.

>>12071346
Culture is developed through genetics. Why would Asians put an emphasis on mathematics, or other sciences, if they didn't have a predisposition to this particular activity?

>>12071370
>i don't like the results so i will pretend that they aren't real

>>12071380
have a hug anon. i hope you find some peace.
NEXT

>>12071368
IQ is an atttempt to measure g, the postulated 'general intelligence' that would apply to various cognitive functions. IQ predicts quite well for ability in these areas, on average, and therefore for many outcomes in life dependent on them. There is a century or more really of research on this topic, IQ tests have undergone many revisions to make them as culturally unbiased as possible, and as close to measuring 'g' as possible. The results continue to show the same trends, and are highly reproducible.

As this relates to race- different populations of humans have different average IQs, which explains in large part(obviously not in whole) their different behavior en masse. IQ is mostly inherited, and fixed from birth.

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>>12071370
Okay, then instead of race, I'll just say the groups of people who demonstrate those gene groups. Who happen to be black, white, etc.

>>12071388
Not an argument, you're a self-loathing Negro pretending to be significant, yet you are below a chimp. Have a hug, I hope you find peace.

>>12071380
This sounds like the kind of shit my dad would say to me as a joke.
>do you know why asians have small hands?
>its so they can hold chopsticks easier!
It's redneck-tier science.

>>12071415
Can you answer the question? If you can't then there's no more to say.

>>12071415
anon is saying the complete opposite of what you just posted you smug retard

>>12071375
>>12071370
You're like a child that's sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "LALALALAALALALA". There has been ample evidence shown to you and so now you just harp on the semantics of the word race. Grow up.

>in which the anti-racist left once again embarrass themselves by having read none of the relevant literature

Just accept that if you can't use social shaming, eg. in an anonymous setting, then you can't win arguments.

>>12070939
based and redpilled

>>12071314
Brown can be appeasing. It's the colour matching a sort of calm and humility. Like the robes of friars.
The point stands if you simply replace it with ambrosia and shit. "how do you back your preference".

>>12071370
Nothing will satisfy you, so this is quite useless. Atoms sometime decay in a different manner than their typical elemental peers, so you'll claim that there is no clear distinction between "cesium" and "cadmium".
There is no, and will never be a "tenable concept" of clouds. You will always find as many counter-examples as you want to any trial in terms of density, humidity, compactness, etc...
In complex subjects, things are analyzed in terms of types that receive their justifications from their use (see exposition of Weber in sociology or Fabre in biology). What you are claiming is tantamount to saying that there are no such things as clouds, or Welshmen.

>>12071391
>let's define X as the score people get on a test
>the score people get on this text proves the material existence of X
begging the question faggot
NEXT!

>>12071375
Fine it's not race then. You get to pick the other word we use for the concept-that-shall-not-be-named.

>mfw /pol/ is still unable to show that 'hispanic' is a real scientific thing

>>12071435
You didn't understand the post and I think I have misread you, you aren't dishonest, you're genuinely not smart enough to think about this subject. This is better I guess, but you shouldn't post on this board, go to Reddit or Tumblr or something.

>>12071415
Why would a dog learn how to paint if he doesn't have the brain to understand what it is? Why would a rabbit learn how to hunt if he doesn't have teeth or claws? Why would a Negro learn mathematics if he can much more easily excel at athletics? Why would a Chinese man be a boxer if he can much more easily excel at computer science or mathematics?

>>12070880
I want to diversify my dick into her brown sugar cunny, lads

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>>12071423
All you have to do is prove race exists. It should be easy. Just show that the concept of 'black' in USA is correct, and not the concept in Brazil or South Africa

>>12071435
How can you fail that much at empirical studies?
Indeed, most concepts in empirical science get their justification from the possibility of repetition.
Mass is unironically defined as the coefficient used to relate force and acceleration. The fact that is is a constant of any body is the empirical justification of using it. Same thing for electric charge.
Should it not be the case, you wouldn't talk of mass or charge at all.

>>12071423
no, he's like an adult who understands the concept of fallacious reasoning and is not impressed by edgelords who do not understand the same
NEXT!

>>12071455
black is not a race.

Sub-saharan africa has a few different races, notably the Pygmies and Bushmen, who are very different, and more familiar groups like Bantu and Nilotics

>>12071418
So, you make a claim that culture is determined by genetics without any evidence at all and it automatically becomes true until its proven wrong? That's idiotic.
But, hey, have a alternate hypothesis, on the house:
Most Asian nations have developing economies, so there is more pressure on the kids of the burgeoning middle classes to receive higher educations in highly employable fields (STEM).
>>12071420
Jesus Christ then just reverse the greentext the joke still works.

>>12071441
Hispanic refers to South American mongrels; they should be called mestizos not Hispanics. Hispanics are not a race, they're an ethnic group like Slavs and Germans. Mestizos are a combination of European(Spanish and Portuguese) and Native ancestry.

>>12071463
and you're like an adult that doesn't like the idea of looking at views you carry critically, so you put up an emotional wall and then repress the fact in your mind so you can maintain the guise of a rational thinker

>>12071475
>just reverse the greentext the joke still works.

So ethnicity is real just not race because it is mostly catergotized by humans mostly based on outward appearance?

>>12071105
Dogs are superior to flies at being dogs. Dogs are fulfilling the role they have evolved for; chasing, hunting, killing. Flies are better at being flies: decomposing and scavenging, reallocating the nutrients of dead organisms. You’re retarded if you think a dog is better because the dog can kill the fly - that’s entirely a projection of a humanistic, militaristic viewpoint. You assume there is a hierarchy where there is a circuit.

>>12071444
Because humans have sentience, which allows them to develop interests which they can then pursue using their free will.

>>12071455
Who said that the concept of 'black' in the USA is correct? You're strawmanning.

>>12071459
>the concept of IQ plays an equivalent role in our understanding of reality as the concept of mass
if everyone on earth magically forgot about the former, nothing of significance would change (aside from certain emotionally stunted folks no longer having a cathartic outlet to express their personal problems). the same can't be said of the latter..

>>12071479
so provide a rational (i.e. logically sound) critique of my views faggot, instead of talking round and round in circles like a medieval inquisitor

>>12071486
>their free will.
how scientific lel
but yeah we're the ones denying reality

>>12071489
>no, he's like an adult who understands the concept of fallacious reasoning and is not impressed by edgelords who do not understand the same
>NEXT!
What views did you express worth critiquing in that post anon? Be specific please

>>12071481
>why do asians use chopsticks
>because their hands are too small for forks
Sorry, I understand that that would've been an intellectually demanding task for you.

>>12071489
IQ predicts accurately for outcomes, do you not understand that this is the very basis of science?

Do we understand what makes a brain more or less intelligent? Not really at present, there are some hints, but nothing concrete.

Why on earth does this mean that the only predictive measure we have ever found for intelligence should just be completely ignored?

>>12071489
>if everyone on earth magically forgot about the former, nothing of significance would change
woah... now this is epic

>>12070880
Aristotle, Plato, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche >>12071076
Wrong boxer, anon.

>>12071031
you should because chinese have no soul and blackies are stupid.
only good subhumans on earth are the petrol monkeys native to australia
they are funny

>>12071498
I mean if forks were really big and Asians had really small hands then that would be reasonable, but neither of those things are true making your post a strawman of what the anon was saying.

nice 'joke'

>>12071475
Why is there no pressure to receive higher education in highly employable fields in the African-American community? It's already a developed country, they should focus on education so they can work in highly employable fields instead of entertainment(music, athletics) or crime.

>>12071455
Do you think that the blacks in the US are the children of Amerindians?
Do you think that the blacks in the US are descending from specific people? There you get a race.
> It should be easy.
Indeed it is. My father is a characteristic of his descendants so I'm from his race. This is the primary meaning of the word.

>>12071489
I never claimed anything about the importance of mass or IQ. Merely the fact that your pathetic attempt of calling muh logical fallacy was itself fallacious. There is no begging the question in establishing empirical matters. Mass is indeed merely justified by the constancy of a phenomenon, and so are many things, including IQ.

>>12071518
because of 'institutional racism' which is totally a super falsifiable and scientific concept

god what a joke

>>12071518
we oppress them.

>>12071492
>nice 'joke'
I'll tell my dad that some internet cunt doesn't think his hypothetical joke was funny right away.

>>12071500
>accounting for 10-15% variance in e.g. income is accurate
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>>12071526
funny how Africans are oppressed everywhere they go, even in their own cities and countries. Almost like it's a rule of nature that Africans are oppressed. Simply no non-oppressed Africans anywhere

>>12071364
Based and Xipilled.

>>12071526
Whos this "we" you speak of?

>>12071518
Because their culture is dog-shit.
Actual Africans in America, on the other hand, have a higher PhD per capita than White Americans.

>>12071535
>a small effect size means it isnt real
lmao you have no idea what youre doing do you, youre an 18 year old or something

>>12071535
>uses hood nigger streetball language while not understanding genetics
lol nigs gonna nog
>>12071526
intelligence is irrepressible, that's why Asians came to dominate our educational institutes despite being actively discriminated against.

>>12071506
>>12071527
Intended for this Anon.

>>12071520
>constancy of a phenomen
holding everything else constant, how much of the variance in e.g. gravitational attraction, does mass account for? 100%
now how much of the variance of various societal outcomes does IQ account for, holding everything else constant?

the nice thing about this discussion is that even if i get lazy and make logical errors (but point it out first faggot), the stupidity of my conversational partners still makes me feel smugly superior. it's sad, really. quite sad.

>>12071535
Do you claim to know the first thing about statistics?

>>12071535
That's not how statistics are usually dealt with.
But if those are your criteria, all psychology and sociology immediately become complete gibberish considering IQ is the best established (not enough for your tastes) thing in these disciplines.

>>12071553
>if it only accounts for part of the variance it isnt real
how can anybody be this dumb and call others stupid

>>12071553
giga brainlet pseud

>Replies: 152 Posters: 28
Jesus Christ

>still nothing to back up the claims of discreet races existing

>>12071569
>if i die on this molehill of defining one word then human population differences disappear
Truly inspiring anon

>>12071545
lol. so you admit that it's not nearly the impressive predictor variable you started off claiming it was?
that's all i was hoping to show. thank you for your time.
NEXT

>>12071553
>things only serious if comprehensively decomposed in linear single-valued relations
Stick to high school physics. You won't like real world engineering, let alone anthropology.

>>12071523
>affirmative action
>institutional racism
pick one

>>12071541
>Actual Africans in America, on the other hand, have a higher PhD per capita than White Americans.
Can you provide sources? Also, a PhD in 'African Art Studies' doesn't count.

>>12071580
>10-15% (and you're understating it) is not an impressive predictor variable
Man, you have no idea what you're talking about. In the real world, people spend hundreds of millions of dollars on predictor variables less impressive than that and make their money back, without fail.

>>12071580
except it is literally that impressive predictor variable, your infantile mind is just incapable of understanding that in the immense complexities of social relations, things have a muted impact

>>12071596
this is a common talking point by the Left. They take Nigerian immigrants to the US, a tiny minority of the elite population of Nigeria, and extrapolate this to 'all black people not oppressed by our racism'.

Im sure the average IQ of the NIgerian immigrants is genuinely pretty high

>>12071577
Fst values and heterozygosity between human groups are higher than among many subspecies of primates, amphibians and big cats. There are indeed biological races among humans.

>>12071618
Nigerians are very diverse. Most of them are what you'd expect from the place, but there are decently intelligent ethnic groups there. Similar to India.

>>12071612
>muted effect of IQ
>the immense complexity of social relations
so now you're saying that there is this thing called socialization that likely explains a FAR LARGER portion of the variance in these outcomes?
i unironically agree
>>12071611
context, bud, context
>>12071581>>12071564>>12071563
ad hom
put some effort in next time, otherwise no more attention for you, mmmkay?

>>12071655
>that likely explains a FAR LARGER portion
please apply your extensive demands of rigor to this theory anon

lets see some theories that show how socialization accounts for more than 15% of variance. Im sure you have a great mass of such studies

>he still can't prove anything and now he's getting mad nobody takes his racist silliness seriously
Maybe if you got a gf this phase would pass?

>ask for proof
>proof is presented
>bu-but it doesn't use the word I want!
>more proof is presented
>bu-but there are other factors too!

>>12071568
And it was clear from the start what this thread was going to devolve into.

>>12071633
Its just the Igbo, and no not really similar because India has over a billion people in its population and only a few ethnic groups show impressive average intelligence.
>>12071663
genetic nurture or indirect genetic influence is what socializing means, which is still just genetics.

>dude race isn't real lmak
>dude those different traits that you can clearly see don't actually exist lmao
Neoliberal "science"
Up is down and down is up with you retards. Next you'll be claiming the sky and the grass are actually the same color.

>>12071776
>Neoliberal "science"
It's always those pesky Jews pushing their nasty Jewish facts and nasty Jewish science. I don't listen to their lies when I'm justifying my fear of brown people

>>12071776
I just got here, but this isn't looking good for you, is it?

>>12071789
>Zero mention of jews
>Dude saying there is some merit to the idea of what "race" is must mean youre scared of le browns

Yikes

>>12071789
>obvious facts are racist now
Why am I even responding to this stupid fucking bait

>>12071789
>fear of brown people
Why would anyone be afraid of shit?

The ethnicity of, let us call them, niggers, consists of a gene pool that, after hundreds of thousands of years of adaptation, is distinguishable from other ethnicities, namely those that would become Asians, Caucasians, and Aborigines. These gene pools and generations of adaptation have created populations that are easily distinguishable from other populations in virtually every measure. It is unscientific to think that any group after so many hundreds of thousands of years of isolation would be equal to another mutually isolated group in any measure.

>/lit/ is a left-wing boa-

>>12071814
Dude quit it with your racist facts. We're literally all the same and race is a myth. Evolution just stopped at humans ok? Don't ask why.

>>12071805
>the sun obviously circles the earth, any retard can see that

>>12071717
>/pol/ think their infographics are proof
I know you got upset when the girl you liked kissed the popular outgoing black boy at the school dance instead of you, but your feelings of humiliation and anger are not evidence for the existence of racial hierachies.

>>12071805
>my ignorance and fear are obvious facts!

>>12071843
>comparing antiracism to the Copernican revolution
wew

>>12071814
>it is unscientific not to make this assumption without concrete proof

>>12071814
>so many hundreds of thousands of years of isolation would be equal to another mutually isolated group in any measure.
When exactly do you think humans left Africa?

Kek only white people would fight and get this adamant about whether race exists or not. I feel like most minorities are well aware of tbeir race and its implications and will feel some kind of inclusion or solidarity with those that may share these traits. Pretty mind boggling how much white people hate themselves or the exact inverse and prove how much they hate everyone else. Cucked people.

>>12071863
>concrete proof
1. notice that human populations act differently, achieve different levels of success in various endeavors
2. hmm let's measure this, i know let's try to find a measure for general intelligence
3. results seem fairly promising, predicts well for a number of--
REEEEEEE YOU ARE RACIST AND IGNORANT ADN AFRAID OF BROWN PEOPLE

Why is it that the anti-racists always have poor arguments and cannot refute the facts presented, but instead resort to shaming and fallacies repeatedly? Is it because they are wrong?

>>12071863
This is not disputed in the scientific community, and be more careful in your words: it's not an assumption. I'm not spoonfeeding you; ask Reddit.
>>12071872
Estimates vary fairly heavily, but most place group dispersion of H. Sapeins somewhere from 100-500kya. It's important to note that while adaption is obviously more extreme in extremely different environments, groups started adapting and differentiating as soon as the groups were isolated (that is, not widely exchanging genes on an inter-group basis): isolation started once the groups dispersed within Africa. I shouldn't need to remind you Africa itself has a very diverse landscape, even (and perhaps especially) all those years ago. By comparison, the last glacial period (ice age) spanned from ~10-100kya.

>>12071890
>let me make some points
>nvm gonna strawman you lmao
The first of your two-and-a-half points could also apply to tall people vs short people. Would you like to continue or keep playing the victim?

>>12071930
why are you talking about tall and short people, what does this have to do with anything? tall people are not an ethnicity

>>12070880
I can tell without reading it that this was a very productive thread with a lot of thoughtful, civil, discussion.

>>12071925
>it's a /pol/ doesn't understand how evolution works, or know anything about anthropology, and has no knowledge of the scientific consensus around the social construction of race thread
Did it really hurt you so bad that you weren't popular at school and the confident athletic black guys were?

The race that truly matters is spiritual. The biological reductionism of many of the alt-right aren't useful because there are people of every race who have the disposition of warrior, priest, merchant, or slave.

>>12071948
I've been posting random comments without even looking at the thread, and it made no difference

>>12071955
>the scientific consensus around the social construction of race thread
It's a consensus by fucking sociologists

Even the fucking NYT recently admitted that race is real and has a genetic basis
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html
THis guy desperately tries to make it seem like these differences couldnt possibly apply to intelligence but we can all see he's grasping for straws

>>12071955
>anon projects
this is classic

>>12071955
Whatever floats your boat anon.

>>12071885
The only reason they are defensive about their race is the fact that expressing their love for their own kind is deemed as 'racist' or evil. I urge you to go around spouting bullshit about negroes and see how defensive they get.

>>12070889
She means that racism is a normal reaction and our natural survival machanism. Instead of being anti racist we should embrace our prejudice and let it guide us on our path to racial purity for all societies.

>>12072027
Racial purity has nothing to do with prejudice for the simple fact that taking and/or the women of your enemies has been a standard practice throughout history.

Well if this thread has taught us one thing, it's that racists are dumb as pie

>>12071326
>hispanics are white
It's your own fault for reading retarded data.

>>12071539
people with triple digit IQs

>>12070906
No, you are thinking about CIA groomed people aka 'sleeper cells'.

hi /pol/,
I was just out walking and a hooded figure whom I shall call a nigger began to holler across the street to me. I had crossed to avoid him, as I knew my long white strides would carry me past his stunted swagger in <10 seconds. At first I thought he was following the train trip trend typical of browns, of playing loud music from headphones hung around his neck, but the noise had no loud bass which is unacceptable to a brown. I began to make out syllables, and then noises which resembled words: "mufugger" ... "you mufugger" ... "I smash you mufugger". I quickly strode away and that was my ethnic experience of today.

>>12072699
i saw a black chap that looked like a frog today, he was just standing there on the sidewalk gazing into the street with this completely unthinking, slightly smiling expression. i gave him a look and he kind of imperceptibly nodded at me and continued to stare into the street like that

that was my ethnic experience of the day

>this thread

silly identity shit is perpetuated because it keeps your dirty shudra noggin from thinking about class warfare

>>12071105
A dog cannot fly over a raging river to reach more fertile feeding grounds, and yet a fly can. Does this make the fly superior to the dog in this situation?

Like almost all of them ever

>>12072027
at last I truly see

>>12070976
le upboat

>>12071853
>/pol/
stopped reading there

>>12073886
it's just lonely anon #2424250959593 projecting his loneliness onto others, you're not missing much

>>12073890
I'm actually anon #2424250959594

>>12072699
basedpilled

>>12073894
Reddit tier post

>>12071455
All you have to do is prove that proving is possible. It should be easy.

>>12071596
It makes sense, only the high IQ wealthy elites are in the U.S. instead of a mud hut back in oggaboogaland

>>12071655
DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDIES FROM REPUTABLE JOURNALS IN THE LAST TWENTY YEARS SUPPORTING THE IDEA THAT SOCIALIZATION EXPLAINS MORE THAN 10-15% OF THE VARIANCE IN e.g. income

next

>>12071955
this is a shill thread

>>12070889
maybe it's something like diversity only exists by force, and forced diversity=racism

>>12073894
I gave a dry chuckle into a brutal hacking cough

>>12071245
Here’s a random one:
African‐derived South American populations: A history of symmetrical and asymmetrical matings according to sex revealed by bi‐ and uni‐parental genetic markers

Estimates of African, European, and Amerindian contributions to the gene pool of 11 predominantly African‐derived South American populations were obtained using five autosomal and one Y chromosome hypervariable loci, as well as mitochondrial DNA (sequences of the first hypervariable segment of the control region, plus two restriction sites and the presence or absence of the CoII/tRNALys intergenic 9‐bp deletion). The three latter characteristics are reported here for the first time for 42 individuals living in three Brazilian populations. Thirty‐eight sequences were identified in these persons; 17 (45%) could be classified as being of African, 4 (11%) of Amerindian, and 2 (5%) of European origin. Evidence for asymmetrical matings in relation to sex and ethnic group was obtained for nine of the 11 populations. The most consistent finding was the introduction of European genes through males, but the results differ in the several communities, indicating the importance of local factors in such interactions. Am. J. Hum. Biol. 11:551–563, 1999

There’s nothing in this about ranking various groups against each other, it’s just an observation of genetic differences that can be used to determine lineage.

>>12071553
So quantum mechanics is garbage because it deals in probabilities?

This picture is why /pol/ will always lose.

Just look at the two of them. A beautiful confident articulate woman, stylishly dressed and easy in her own skin. She's totally at home in the modern globalised and multicultural world.
On the other side a unkempt graceless buffoon, ill-educated, unattractive, with nothing intelligent to say. He can't fit in, he can't adapt, he is literally useless to modern society.

Which side do you choose /lit/? I'm choosing to embrace the future.

>>12074211
Doesn't prove race is a scientifically tenable concept. Try again. You should be able to prove an Ethiopian, Megan Markle, and a Namibian bushman are all the same genetically uniform 'black race'

>>12071776
>neoliberal
lol do you even know what that label means? both thatcher and reagan were "neoliberal", dummy

>>12074307
Since there is nothing in the literature about any of Megan Markle’s genetic makeup, there is insufficient information to say.

>>12071105

The mountain and the squirrel
Had a quarrel,
And the former called the latter
"Little prig."
Bun replied,
"You are doubtless very big;
But all sorts of things and weather
Must be taken in together
To make up a year
And a sphere.
And I think it no disgrace
To occupy my place.
If I'm not so large as you,
You are not so small as I,
And not half so spry:
I'll not deny you make
A very pretty squirrel track.
Talents differ; all is well and wisely put;
If I cannot carry forests on my back,
Neither can you crack a nut."

>>12071064
>13 hours later, he never responded to this
wow I'm shocked!

>>12074299
I choose to be the neutral 3rd party bystander taking the photograph for clickbait and such in order to profit off the manufactured outrage that is identity politics that I could not give less of a fuck about. In essence, I am a political kike.

>>12070889
It's just a brown girl shitposting in real life to get some kind of reaction from white people.

They do this all the time, with a smug face. And some white people think it's "brave".

>trying to justify your racism with pseudo-science
Why? Literally what is the point? Even if it were true (which no geneticist thinks) it would still be socially unacceptable. Why not just own your bigotry? Why try to convince yourself and others that you have a good reason for hating brown people when we all know you'd hate them anyway regardless of science? Are you that ashamed of your own views that even on an anonymous basket weaving forum you still have to play coy and pretend you care about genetics when really you just hate brown people and would hate them if the double helix had never been discovered?

There's a simple solution to racism: don't have other races living in your country. There, no more racism.

It's obviously too late for places like America and you can thank your (genetically) dumb ass cracker ancestors who brought the negroes and later were too soi infused to just take them back.
And some of them could only think with MUH DICK so they couldn't resist racemixing with them either.
Pathetic white people got everything they deserve desu.

>>12071518
>why don’t poor people in deindustrialized slums with shit schools subjected to a 40 year federal war on them because of ‘muh drugs’ follow my neoclassical homo economicus model of human behavior and use their marginal utility calculation units to determine and pursue degrees that will maximize their lifetime income?
Gee I wonder

>>12070880
Imagine that all the ethinicities, or races, are colours in a petri dish. They all leak into one another and mix. But only on the edges. The core stays the same, unless you mix them forcefully. We have races/ethnicities and as colours have different properties, so do the races. Is it not in our interest to preserve the colours themselves and also let the mixing at the boarders happen, to see what new properties we get? Preserve the races/ethinicities but dont undermine the fundamental human nature of sentience(i.e. choosing for oneself)! There is nothing wrong with asking: How are people diffrent based on where they come from?
This whole discussion is not here to fallate your own ego and moral grandstanding.
As for your question of authors talking about race. Diffrences will always be acknowledged in the human discourse. Dont asume we will be less racsist if we eliminate talking about races.

Or to give another metaphor: Humans are like houses - nature and nurture - the foundation of the house is nature, and what we build on it is nurture. If you want a good house you need a solid foundation. If you want a stable house, you need to build on what your foundation gives you. Building a house on sand is not very wise, neither is building a house completly out of sand(generally)

>>12074462
Dumb, toxic midwesterner detected.

>>12071820
Racism was a cornerstone of the left. Only around mid-1960s has it started to change, and even then very slowly. True in the US (Carter launching his campaign from a KKK office), but also here in France. I live next to a ouga-bouga jungle that had been almost razzed by the communist party in 1980.
I'm really not sold on socialism, but why did the leftist parties had to become so atrocious on this?

>>12074497
why do they live in deindustrialized slums anon
dont think too much about it

>>12076290
youre just going to say im a dumb polster but it was literally the influence of Jews. Almost every single prominent antiracist in the 20th century was Jewish

from Boas to Gould, you have a huge history of Jews outright fabricating evidence to promote antiracist views.

Probably this was from an instinct of self-preservation

>>12074938
He's right, you know.
All of this fighting is due to the bizarre ethnic patchwork that is promoted. People wouldn't care even half as much if separated. The only "argument" against this is the possibility of losing 4% of your shekels through misplacement of the labour pool.

>>12076322
Don't worry, in fact that was more of a rhetorical question.

>>12076323
i wonder what sort of reaction that paper produced

>>12070889
Perhaps she is referring to the fact that diversity-pushers only allow others to fit into their framework, not exist beyond it.

>>12070880
Why do I even read these threads? Why do I subject myself to this source anxiety and confusion?
I sure hope I can save money and move to a quiet place, far from this chaos

>>12070916
They don't exist in a biological sense, but they're certainly real as social categories (merely because society deems it so).

>>12071895
Tribalism doesn't respond to rational argumentation, this has been shown in a variety of psychological experiments. These beliefs are held for group membership and self-image reasons rather than anything intellectual, and indeed many people can't articulate their reasoning for believing the things they do.

>>12074307
>moving goalposts

>>12074454
>which no geneticist thinks
Anon, do you even know what you're talking about? You don't, but then why are you saying shit like this that is clearly false? Geneticists will not say any ethnic group is superior to another, but they all know different groups measure differently

>>12076457
we literally explained calmly and clearly in this thread where the evidence and reasoning comes from

All we got was one anon saying '15% isnt large enough to mean anything, it's probably socialized' and then he just didnt respond when asked for more rigorous studies showing that socialziation can account for a larger effect

>>12074454
>Even if it were true (which no geneticist thinks) it would still be socially unacceptable.
This sentence shows the entire architecture of the antiracist mind. Even if it were true it would be socially unacceptable. Just look at that sentence for a bit

>tfw studying genetics and unironically realize all folk-scientific concepts like race and gender are spooks
anyone honest enough to evaluate their own hypocrisy will come to the same conclusion.

>differences between people are skin deep
>yet basketball Americans are more likely to contract some diseases and commit crimes
Okay lol

>>12070889
>Diversity is a myth
There is no diversity because we're all one race - the human race.
>You're probably racist
You're probably white.

They're too stupid to understand the paradox.

>>12071363
>dude how can you not see green, it's socially constructed!

>>12076503
That's because of the environment you fucking idiot.

>>12076538
Prove it, but be careful about the sources you look at or else you're gonna realize you're wrong

>Le science proves race is not real so the idea of race is surely to go out the window.

Identity is here to stay even if we are all literally mongrels. Its plenty easy to hate or like someone based on social conventions as well.

>>12071363
>amibiguously
more like arbitrary

>>12071122
>can you defend that statement at all
Put a lion and a dog together in a cage and see what happens

>>12071177
>If we keep repeating things they become true
Thank you Goebbels

>>12071201
>Superiority is not a scientific value, it's totally based on asthetic value
wat?

>>12076505
>There is no diversity because we're all one race - the human race.
Races are taxonomical subdivisions of humanity

>mfw the thread has been up for days and still the racists can't find scientific backing for the concept of race

>>12071370
>You should be able to find research that shows there is a uniform and discreet 'black race' or 'white race' etc

friendly reminder that geneticists and leftists hate each other
friendly reminder that leftists are anti-science and pro-corporate

the final blackpill

>>12076822
You can determine which historical populations someone descends from by a DNA test.
Likewise from examining bones..
Members of populations are genetically predisposed to express certain traits differently to members of other populations. They are predisposed to diseases on this basis also.
Pretty much the whole of human biology validates the concept of race. But you turn round and say, "Ha ha no, race isn't real because reasons" - it's cringe, retarded cowardice.
OK let's not talk about race - lets talk about "human populations".
Faggot children who need euphemisms to deal with obvious realities...
Pass On Yourself.

>>12076538
East asians commit less crime than whites. Blacks commit more. This is true in the USA.
And Europe. And Africa. And Asia. And everywhere these people are.
>it's the enviroment!
"The environment" - ie: the set of circumstances created by the people who live in a certain place.

>>12076861
>Pretty much the whole of human biology validates the concept of race.
And yet no biologist or geneticist agrees with you. Must be humiliating to have your conspiracy theory ignored by all of modern science

>>12076890
>And yet no biologist or geneticist agrees with you.
what part of my post don't they agree with. Quote please.

>>12076861
>it's cringe, retarded cowardice
Says the racist who needs to hate others to feel better about itself. Sad!

>>12076890
>Must be humiliating to have your conspiracy theory ignored by all of modern science
just ask Islamists about that buddy

>>12076893
>There’s No Scientific Basis for Race—It's a Made-Up Label
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/race-genetics-science-africa/

>>12076890
>And yet no biologist or geneticist agrees with you
derp
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html

>>12076907
>national geographic
Man you're more fucking retarded than I thought

>>12076907
>Ask to quote my post
>Post a link
Well done, genius.

>I am worried that well-meaning people who deny the possibility of substantial biological differences among human populations are digging themselves into an indefensible position, one that will not survive the onslaught of science.
No. Fucking. Shit.

>>12076896
>I'm frightened of Muslims too! Will no one protect the poor white man!

>>12076895
>I point out some facts
>You make a quantum jump to moral value judgements and ad hominems about by motivations
Learn to think.

>>12076914
>>12076915
>dumb racists calling others retarded
Self awareness must be a Jewish conspiracy I guess

>>12076925
Nice argument.

>>12076924
>racist pseudo-science
>facts
Pick one dumbass. Your memories about being bullied at school aren't facts

Stop getting baited by this retard retards

>>12071154
>To nature humans aren't worth more than dogs
nononono anon we are the only ones who can help this place and yet we choose to kill our childs, we abandon our fathers and we destroy habitats
>and butcher any species that challenges our primacy
you can coexist
>>12071177
Race is scientific, i am from an amerindian country...whites, "modern asians"and blacks were a new race and when you had a mestizo they were different to both parents.
Some drugs don`t work on blacks and "redskins" but they work on "modern asians" and whites and viceversa
>>12074454
The main geneticists of our era knows that it is true fucking redditor

>>12076925
The ironic thing is I'm actually a philosemite and a lefty...

>>12076918
What I'm saying is that convictions can be more powerful than science.

>>12076937
If we don't challenge the racists they won't realise how wrong they are

>>12076932
OK it's b8 but..
>racist pseudo-science
"Human populations" differ genetically
That difference creates a variety of different outcomes
We can measure all the above differences
Which bit of this do you have a problem with?

>>12076966
>implying genetics maps onto the social construction of race
You don't consider genetically mixed black people less black, you hate them just as much as anyone else you deem to be black. Why are you dressing up your bigotry in unnecessary pseudo-science. It's not like you liked black people then examined the research and decided to hate them. You hate people anyway nd are ashamed of it, hence the scramble fro whatever scientific justification you can find. Essentially you are a moron

>>12076932
>racist pseduo science

FACT
>You can determine which historical populations someone descends from by a DNA test.
FACT
>Likewise from examining bones..
FACT
>Members of populations are genetically predisposed to express certain traits differently to members of other populations.
FACT
>They are predisposed to diseases on this basis also.

>>12076985
>You don't consider genetically mixed black people less black
a) "Black" isn't b) They obviously contain less DNA of African orgin
>you hate them just as much as anyone else you deem to be black
I hate very few people.
>Why are you dressing up your bigotry in unnecessary pseudo-science.
I'm pointing out that denying the reality of race is ridiculous and motivated by intellectual and moral cowardice.

>You hate people anyway and are ashamed of it
Quote what i've said that's hateful. Go on. Should be pretty straightforward.

>>12076985
>implying genetics maps onto the social construction of race
>implying that 99.9% of, for example, people considered "black" in America don't have DNA that can be traced to African origin.

>>12077005
>a) "Black" isn't b) They obviously contain less DNA of African origin

*a) "Black" isn't a race b) They obviously contain less DNA of African origin than someone with 2 "Black" parents

>>12076985
Why can't you answer any question I put to you directly.
You can't explain what you specifically disagree with
Fucking handwaver

>>12076946
"challenging racism" on 4chan is like trying to clean a sewer by drinking from it

>>12076985
Wtf are black people?

>>12077072
LMAO

Bump

>>12077027
>dumb racist complains others are arguing in bad faith
They were running out of brains at the kkk swap meet I guess

>>12077168
Substantive point. Well done.

>>12076966
Theyre literally incapable of accepting this idea, as in psychologically incapable, it's impossible for them

>>12077234
It's a bizarre, hilarious and frightening phenomenon

>>12077286
it's pretty simply, our society gives out a clear message: if you're racist, you are off the reservation. That's enough for most people to be incapable of thinking it, the fear of exile is primal as fuck.

just because niggers are worse by a few metrics (like intelligence) than chinks on average, doesn't mean anyone has to be gassed.

genuine question to /pol/ crossboarders: do you come here to actually discuss books, or is just to shitpost in bait threads?

>>12076441
>don't exist in a biological sense
Yes they do try getting a transplant from someone who isn't your own ethnicity and see what happens. We're all separated by our haplogroup admixture.

>>12078082
I post significantly more on lit than on pol and always have. Mostly the language threads, poetry and philosophy threads, and well just all around posting.

>>12070880
God, she's so cute. Would gladly commit white genocide with her

>>12078082
Haven't posted on /pol/ seriously in like four or five years. I mostly sit on /lit/ but it's so slow I shitpost on /tv/ too

All you retards arguing about the semantics of race in the daily /pol/ containment thread.
You guys aren't going to persuade each other, and maybe I won't either, but you are just wasting your time.
Just know that in any kind of crisis/civil war/race war, humans will be able to divide themselves up into racial lines very quickly.
People shut the fuck up about semantics real quick when their life is at stake.

>>12071218
>Look at the fool, what year do you think we are in ?
You better be baiting