/lit/ - Literature

>>12064332
culture of critique

>>12064332
120 days of Sodom.

my d.i.a.r.y. desu

>>12064337
>wanting to kill the whole planet of boredom
Absolutely diabolical anon

plato complete works

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The Bible

>>12064332
Gravity's Rainbow

>>12064334
Please God let this happen.

The subtle art of not giving a fuck

>>12064504
go back thanks

>>12064332
Death by Starvation by Hegesias

on the geneology or morals
i genuinely believe it would save the world

>>12064332
The bible

>>12064332
New testament.

>>12065225
This desu

>>12064376
this

the holy Quran

A Brief History of Western Philosophy by Anthony Kenny. What's important is the study of philosophy, not any particular philosophy, and so a solid introduction is the best to advance this.
>>12065225
How to turn Christians into atheists: have them actually read the Bible.

Naked Lunch

The Apology

>>12065497
>How to turn Christians into atheists: have them actually read the Bible.
But I read the Old Testament twice and the New Testament three times and I still believe it!

>>12064332
Complete Works of William Shakespeare

>>12064332
Industrial Society and its Future

The ego and its own.

>>12065497
How to turn atheists into Christians: have them actually read Pascal

Free Will by Sam Harris

>>12064334
Fpbp
>white and still haven't read CofC
You are not an intellectual, sorry.

>>12065912

His life reads like a horror story desu

The Road by Cormac McCarthy

>>12065912
No one who understands probability would actually buy into that stupid shit

>>12066016
You obviously haven’t read it. So don’t bother discussing it

>>12066016
>he thinks Pascal is limited to the wager
o i am laffin

Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban

>>12064332
The Meditations of Marcus Aurelius.

James Munkres - Topology

>>12066179
Why?

>>12066038
The wager is retarded enough to disqualify anything else he said.

>>12066374
But you’ve never read the wager fully, not even in its context, and I bet some of your problems with the wager are addressed in other sections of Penseés, if not within the 3 page section of the wager itself.

>>12064334
fpbp, came here to post this

>>12066402
That's a whole lot of wrong assumptions.
The wager is pretty retarded.

Read, or read and understand?

>>12066444
>he still hasn’t read it
You just continue to display your ignorance. I think you’re afraid to list any reasons because you don’t know if Pascal addressed your concerns because you haven’t actually read him. Take a good look at yourself. You’re calling an idea retarded without understanding its context, reading it word for word, as the author intended it to be read. You’re a fool

>>12064332
Bible

>>12064332
Das Kapital

>atheist enters debate
>retard retard you are wrong you are wrong
I’m not even religious but lol, funny how they end up sounding like zealots

>>12066459
I've read pensees.
The wager is wrong the moment he asserts you must wager, then it just continues being wrong.

>>12066484
Nice critique. Why is asserting that you must wager wrong? Choosing not to wager is its own choice: choosing not to believe. You have decided that do you do not want to seek belief, so you accept non-belief

CTMU
actually, people here wouldn’t comprehend it...

>>12066504
As elaborate as his assertion.
It would only work if you had a specific idea of what the object of belief is. Without it there's not enough information to make the distinction between believing and not believing.

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>>12066531
Let me be clearer.
Even though the wager isn't specifically christian, it only works for abrahamic (or similar) positions.

>>12066548
Did you read the rest of Penseés?!
Most of the book is discussing why Christianity is the perfect religion and superior to other religions and philosophies. Did you not know this before? If so, why have you not addressed his claims specifically about this topic? You seem to be pretending he didn’t write about it at all in Penseés

A book that kills plebs when they read it

>>12066568
Right, don't get it backwards. He argues from the same shortsightedness that allows the wager to work. Which is why I use it as an example of why the work is rubbish.

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>>12065912
Apostate here
Pascal is actually pretty cool
That probability thing would be considered wrong (or more accurately "nonsensical") by modern probabilities. It's a bit of a meme philosophy-wise but thankfully he wrote more than three pages in his life
This said
You're all faggots

>>12066589
If you read the whole book, then there wouldn’t be a problem. The wager was not meant to exist independently, and the wager is not enough to become a believer.

>>12066603
It only works if you've cemented christianity as the right choice already. It's completely redundant.
Do you find any specific section of the book to be particularly convincing?

>>12066506
Literally proof of god, but mathlets here don’t deal in facts and aren’t actually intellectual

>>12066645
>Do you find any specific section of the book to be particularly convincing?
Didn’t you read it?

Bhuddism is the most woke religion that exists. That and gnosticism or pantheism

>>12066655
Yes, it's garbage. It only works if you are entangled in the abrahamic metaphysics already, the whole thing, just like the wager. That's why I'm interested in which section you think has its strongest points.

The Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey

>>12066671
If you truly read it, then I probably won’t be able to convince you of much. The book converted me from atheism, so I think its composition is fine. Which parts did you not agree with?

>>12066685
which section did you find convincing? lay out how its a strong argument for faith in the Christian God for us. I have limited access to computers and am currently disable so I can’t go to the library to fetch a copy. If you don’t respond in the next hour my soul will burn for all eternity. Do be a good christian and help us, of course I am open to conversion brother.

>>12066328
Because HP is the best franchise in the history of franchises.

>>12066692
>which section did you find convincing?
Literally all of it. Start with the beginning. OP’s post is really applicable right now.

>>12066685
Well I haven't read it recently.
I think I remember being the most disappointed, with one of the last sections "Proofs of christ". In which he provides none and has various facts of history wrong, ("oldest book and nation on earth", etc). But even if they were right they would have very little relevance.
You have to be very absorbed into that very specific place and time period to think that section has any metaphysical relevance.

>>12066594
>apostate here
How is /r/atheism these days?

>>12064334
Based

12 rules for life

>>12064332
harry potter

>>12066716

Teach me about how to bring back lost faith anon everyone & everything failed until then

>>12066747
The remedy is tailored to the illness. What sort of thing prompted you to lose faith in the first place?

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>>12066705
Hell my mind is fuzzy today.
Clearer version:
Of course Pascal couldn't prove jesus via writing. It cannot be done. And likewise noone could have provided him such evidence. Not archeological, not logical, no kind of evidence will do it. It's a waste of time.
You'd need to be perfect yourself in order to assert that whether or not something is divine.
I'm not and I don't think Pascal was either.

The dictionary

>>12066769
Why wouldn’t you want to believe, though? I mean, you do WANT to believe, right?

>>12066786
>WANT to believe
I'm not even sure what that means.
I'm in deep appreciation of the mystery of reality and I'm glad to keep going.

>>12066803
Do you want to be Christian? If not, why?

>>12064336
This

>>12066815
No I don't.
I don't like that it proclaims ultimate knowledge.
I don't like the aesthetics of it.
And I have no reasons to want such a thing.
Also it's as alien to me as Islam or any other religion.
You have any reasons to want such a thing?

>>12066839
>don't like the aesthetics of it
Confirmed baboon. Christian aesthetics are unparalleled, aside from any sort of theological judgment.

>>12066839
>You have any reasons to want such a thing?
Hope, purpose, joy.
>Also it's as alien to me as Islam or any other religion
Then why do claim such false things as
“that it proclaims ultimate knowledge.”?

>>12066769
Jesus was literally a historical figure. Not religious but I really hope you aren’t questioning this, it’s 100% a historical consensus at this point

>>12066851
Gross, I can smell the sand from here.
>>12066869
>Hope, purpose, joy.
Hey I have those already, also wonder and amazement at the infinite and peace with existence and non existence. I'm good without christianity then.
>“that it proclaims ultimate knowledge.”?
It's one of Jesus' favorite activities wasn't it? Also the whole thing, clear example:
>“I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have any strange gods before Me.”

>>12066891
Wasn't my intention, I think the topic of historicity is irrelevant.
But 100% historical consensus for anything is nonsense and should still be questioned.

>>12066895
>also wonder and amazement at the infinite and peace with existence and non existence.

>I’m ignorant about the universe and I’m ok with that
>I’m peaceful in this life, therefore I’ll be peaceful in the afterlife

>>12064332
Unironically the SCUM Manifesto,
Modern life (more so in non-rural cases) is ruined by the radical being funded. It's a win-win, on one hand, reasonable people will eventually see radical gender politics for what it truly is, cope... and move on to better things (it may even sweep healthy conservatism through the land as a by product of not wanting to be Solanis). On the other hand, those further incensed by reading it will be so thoroughly swept by it that I will weed out the chaff whilst they only become poorer and more pathetic, those who accept the words of a prostitute will prove themselves easily bought by radical marketing strategies and will fund the escalation of extremism until it can finally have it's final war and be done with. The downside is that it will make city living unbearable, for which in this hypothetical scenario,I can't see being much of a loss.

>>12066917
Ignorant is not the right word, I'm here after all. I'm just not trying to restructure the universe and fit it inside my self.
And I'm peaceful now and that's all I can ever manage. It's also enough.
Your worries are unfounded.

>>12064334
I knew that this would be the first response before I even clicked on the thread. FPBP.

>>12064368
This
>>12064376
And then they will get to this on their own

>>12066901
So Rome didn’t exist I guess we can’t be 100%

>>12066952
You should certainly make your case if you have reasons to believe so. Have you never ended up perplexed at new information and insights?

>>12066674
Glad this shitpost has 666 in it

>>12066974
Of course I have. I’m not the guy you are arguing with if you are accusing me of being set in my ways. But at some point you just draw the line and accept, that at least in physical reality, some things happened. A man called jesus went around preaching and was crucified. I’m not saying he was the son of any god or could preform miracles, I am simply saying because of the wide range of sources we have all talking about this one guy, with many details that line up, it’s pretty likely he existed as a person.

>>12066989
As I said, I wasn't speaking about this in specific, I was just saying earth shattering reasoning and evidence can come up at any time for anything.

But for this specific thing. Would you agree that the jesus character could very well be a mix up of different people at the time?
There's no contemporary writings, and we mix up and misattribute quotes and actions to even living individuals.

>>12067035
The bible was repeatedly changed and translated a million times. Some gospels are omitted altogether and we have no idea why. I have no doubt a bunch of the stuff has nothing to do with the jesus character as we know him today. At the same time, the general ideas of pacifism etc. are consistent so we have a general idea of what he believed in and how he lived.

>>12067050
Fine. I think the pacifism and similar bits might survive and be more common because they resonate with people though. Since they are consistent even outside christianity

>>12067078
Not really in the roman world and pagan europe, people didn’t like that shit at all. There’s a reason they fed christians to lions in the arena

>>12067105
I don't know about the romans but it's definitely not absent from the greeks.
And I don't think there's many ancient pagan europe writings, but it's also not absent in the Eddas.

>>12065894
>>12065844

One of these forshore

infinite jest to make people waste a lot of time

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>>12064334
This or Brave New World but probably this. I haven't read it

What's the longest Hegel book?

50 Shades of Gray

Measure What Matters by John Doerr

>>12064334
good post

>>12064334
bad post

Fucking Americans and their self-help books, you're all a bunch of retards. Help yourselves by kys.

>>12065844
>there are still people shilling this kike in 2018
6 million wasn't enough

Gargantua and Pantagruel
or
Don Quixote
or
The Brothers Karamazov

>>12064332
>the ego and its own
everyone would become an egoist and humanity would die off once and for all very based and redpilled desu

>>12065497
>How to turn Christians into atheists: have them actually read the Bible.
This is some serious highschool kid posting on facebook for likes type shit.

>>12064332
Cat in the hat

>>12064334
Based AS FUCK

>>12068448
When will you realize that antisemitism is a confession of your neurosis?

>>12064332
I'd compile the entire chart of the greeks into a single book so thay they fully start with the greeks.
>>12064334
So based and redpilled. How do you do it?

12 rules for life ofc