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Man invented God to make Heaven on Earth

>>12048701
God/s predates any notion that man ought not to have “dominion” over “nature”

If there is no God, Man and Nature are not separate.

>>12049308
This

>>12048701
Man invented gods as a literal “whatever helps you sleep at night”.

>>12049340
>the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom
And man created shibboleths like this to refute such silly notions ahead of their being proffered.

>>12048701
Hey man this is entirely plausible yet not very original

>>12048701
We definitely use God to justify it, but only to vegans every once in a while. Otherwise, we really don't have to justify it.

>>12048701
God invented man. :)

>>12049449
This

>>12049449
>>>/x/

>>12049449
Gaytheists eternally BTFO

>>12049692
Not until they get to Hell.

Man invented God to make sense of the world around him, nothing more

>>12048701
>Man invented God in order to justify wanting dominion over Nature.
as somebody once said "All mental illness is a form of Narcissism"

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>>12049935
>implying that Atheist is not the most NPC thing ever

>>12048701
I don't think you need to invent god(s) for that. When food is scarce and there are little shelters from storms etc. it's pretty clear nature is trying to get you killed so fighting back is the immediate reaction. It's only been about 150 years or so during which food and shelter have been adequate in some of the better parts of the world. Ask some starving african about his justification for dominion over nature. He'll probably laugh.

>>12048701
Man invented God to name the why behind his perception of existing.

>>12049449
:)

>>12049949
I'm pretty sure that is what I'm implying

>>12050256
>implying the religious aren't the overwhelming majority

>>12048800
>>12048800
Man's belief in God has been the biggest obstacle in creating a heaven on earth

>>12049967
So naive. There are little to no places on the modern day earth where man's Dominion over nature is not completely unquestioned

>>12050457
There can be no Heaven on Earth because Heaven is not a place where a person can exist within any sort of temporality. When you forget that and try to imagine Heaven within temporality you would end with hedonistic hell at best, and that's pretty much as good as not existing at all.

>>12049896
They usually go to the purgatory anyway, like most, is better be an atheist than a luciferian/new age.

>>12050457
that's fucking retarded

>>12050457
>>12050498
brainlets

>>12050498
read The Great Divorce

This is Spengler 101.

The will to dominate and exploit Nature is only as old as the West itself -- the West in this case meaning the Faustian culture which began after the fall of Rome, so not including antiquity.

>>12048701

You're like a baby. Check this out:

Man pretends to deny God in order to destroy Nature under the guise of casual amorality to avoid confrontation with the awful truth that Earth is the Self sleeping sealed between its forgetfulness and its forgetfulness of its forgetfulness whereof its nightmares take the form of beasts.

>>12050498
You have the mentality and thought processes of a child who believes in literal fairy tales

>>12050580
Winner

>>12050584
How so? I may have formulated my thoughts very badly for you to misread them like this, but I most certainly didn't mean whatever you thought I mean.

Christfags. If God created us, what's with our world being an insignificant speck of dust and us ourselves being but a blip in the history of our world? That's like if the developers of a video game spent most of their lives on the skybox, wrote lore for the next ten years, and then spent 2 hours on the gameplay and released that shit.

>>12050663
Clarification: our world is an insignificant speck of dust compared to the rest of the universe.

>>12050663
>>12050668

I suppose the irony that containing the Universe in your Mind is a prerequisite for making this statement is lost on you.

>>12050457
t. John lennon

>>12050724
I don't have the universe in in my mind. I have my perception of the universe in my mind. It's not really that impressive.

>>12048701
Nature is a word derived from Egypt, meaning spirits.

>>12050668
>>12050663
Yes, for things to be significant they need to be huge. Sucks that your dick is so insignificant.

>>12050663
>video game analogies

>>12050580
bretty good

>>12051552
>>12051565

>>12051709
You really got us through real atheism and SCIENCE there pal.

Man invented god in order to justify his delusion of being greater, and separated, from nature.
Since he is "closer" to god, he is therefore more godly than animals

>>12051757
I didn't even throw any science at you. I just pointed out how your God's a shitty creator.

>>12048800

First post best post.

>>12051836
Your proof of this is that humans aren't 5000000 feet tall and have the mass of a black hole.

Theism is finished.

>>12051846
I mean, theism is finished though. The days of actually worshipping, revering, and living for a God are long gone and you know it.

>>12051895
You clearly aren’t from America.

>>12050457
extremely based but also redpilled

>>12051900
I was born and raised as a Baptist in the Bible Belt.

>>12051895
>implying you aren't just projecting.
>>12051929
Explains a lot.

>>12051961
I was a very serious and devout Christian. I even tithed.

>>12051989
The person you are now is just a product of confirmation bias, it's ok.

You'll grow up :)

Garbage thread

Go read Frazier or Freud or John Stuart Mill and stop being a bunch of faggots

>>12051994
>confirmation bias
If I fell for confirmation bias, don't you think I would have used to confirm the God I knew and loved for 20 years?
>You'll grow up :)
I bet you'll pray for me too, you condescending piece of shit.

>>12048701
Once there was a spirit, or god, in anything that wanted to kill you, either to eat you, by not letting it you eat it, or through absolute indifference to you. These things are scary and uncaring, but if you pretend they are like you, you can at least try to barter with them or to placate them.

As things grew less and less scary, god moved farther and farther away.

But you are still scared shitless of your own impotence and inevitable oblivion.

God has nothing to do with dominion, God is dread, horror, and subjugation.

And wonder that despite all that there is still beauty.

>>12052005
>Frazier
First off it's Frazer and second off he wasn't an atheist you tard.

Mill was also an agnostic.

Fuck are you retarded

>>12050584
>t.

>>12052009
>If I fell for confirmation bias, don't you think I would have used to confirm the God I knew and loved for 20 years?

Because you came up with the hypothesis that god didn't exist and looked for information to confirm that hypothesis. Your confirmation bias comes from a biased search for information :^)

>>12052020

God almighty divorce yourself from this singular lense. Both Frazier and Freud wrote variations on the idea of man creating God, while Mill has a classic essay on the question of what the differences between man/nature might be, all pertinent to the OP, and all much better food for thought than any of the stupid posturing you're going to read in this stupid thread.

>>12052025
Yeah, that's how confirmation bias works, but it's not the behavior of a lifelong serious Christian. Stop trying to paint me as the fedora atheist you want me to be.

>>12052039
>Freud
Was a hack who made completely bunk theories. Do you base of your beliefs on morons.
>Frazier
Frazer was a Neoplatonist.
>Mill
That's true, but he wasn't an atheist (as you seem to be implying)

>>12052053
I wont talk to you, you're a jackass and most likely 18 years old. Go read something and get off this mind melting website before it's too late. Go to the library. You have a paper due anyways. Goodnight.

>>12052040
>I mean, theism is finished though. The days of actually worshipping, revering, and living for a God are long gone and you know it.

>Implying you're not a fedora athiest.

It is also literary how confirmation bias works.

>>12052025
Actually, you know what? Now that I think about it, I should stop fucking with Christcucks. I actually miss being a Christian and don't think I'm better off without my faith.

>>12052061
>aboo I have no arguments just read these books you stupid chirstcucks.

I'm ready for you to quote the god delusion now.

>>12052065
>implying i'm a christian

Can't help you there bud.

>>12052076
Or whichever type of snowflake you are. I'll leave all of you alone.

>>12050891
>I don't have the universe in in my mind
How do you know?

>>12052088
>Implying Atheism isn't the ultimate snowflake religion.

>>12052088
But I like you so I'll help you.

Why did you become an atheist in the first place?

>>12048701
Easy. We have multiple well-attested contemporary accounts of God Himself living among the Jews, dying on the cross, and rising again three days later.

>>12052074

I am currently in the process of converting to Catholicism, not that it really matters

You dont seem to realize that I've made 4 posts in this thread none of which advances an explicitly or implicitely apologetic position for or against atheism, and that my purpose posting here was to redirect people to actual books and not down an idiotic rabbit hole of posturing.

Like, why are we having a thread on the literature board in response to an OP that just whipped an opinion out of his ass, decided it was clever, made no reference whatever to any books or existing literature on the subject, and set us up for a swirling internet shit-flinging contest about opinionated nothings?

Why do we do this? Its unhealthy for everyone involved, including me, since now you've pulled me down into the fray of dumbass arguing.

If OP had come along and said "what responses were developed in response to Xs theory that man derived God from an impulse to control nature" then this might have been a half decent thread. Of course a post like that would get no replies because its success depends on a well read user base, and as we have seen time and time again people would rather spout half baked knowledge and call someone a faggot than transact or discuss actual knowledge. Which is why I say "Fuck this stupid board."

And for the record Freud was a genius, like it or not, and a practicing Christian possessed of any intellectual fortitude at all would admit this, even if disagreeing strongly with his Darwinian fundamentals.

And please dont reply to this post about Freud, it's not about Freud. Its about the fact that you and I are willing to wager opinions on him when you and I both know we've hardly read him at all.

This is all sad, stupid nonsense. Were kidding ourselves.

>>12052102
I joined the Army and left home when I turned 18. It felt like God stayed behind. I told myself he was testing my strength, but he never did come back. By the time I was like 25 or so, I stopped waiting. It's not like I chose to be an atheist or anything, I just don't believe anymore that God was ever anything more than the feeling of security and peace I had in my childhood.

>>12048701
wow you read genesis

>>12052126
Mother Theresa also felt the same way as you did. http://time.com/4126238/mother-teresas-crisis-of-faith/

Honestly I don't think you can ever personally know god, but I do think you can strive to be a good person. And if you keep doing that as an atheist, I don't think you're on the wrong path.


I thought you became an atheist because of a scientism type reason, my apologies.

>>12052123
Because being angry is fun, the debate is fun. I don't think this will be productive, I just enjoy debate.

I also used to freaking love Freud, but then I read more of his work. I was exaggerating when I called him a cook, but he while he does have good ideas, he tries to apply them to where they don't fit.

>>12052126
I have to apoligize, I was thinking of you as a Reddit type atheist. My bad

>>12050457
"Christianity set itself the goal of fulfilling man’s unattainable desires, but for that very reason ignored his attainable desires. By promising man eternal life, it deprived him of temporal life, by teaching him to trust in God’s help it took away his trust in his own powers; by giving him faith in a better life in heaven, it destroyed his faith in a better life on earth and his striving to attain such a life. Christianity gave man what his imagination desires, but for that very reason failed to give him what he really and truly desires." - Feuerbach

without God, why would man feel guilty about wanting dominion?

>>12050663
>insignificant
Maybe to you, fuckface.

>>12052159
>Feuerbach
lul

>>12048800
Make me

>>12052159
That's because institutional Christianity fails to realize that Jesus was the fucking Buddha and could channel God consciousness through his fucking head. That God consciousness is the hidden foundation of all human consciousness and when you attain it via gnosis you literally feel like you're in heaven on earth because heaven is inside us all but is obscured by animal-ego defense mechanisms.

>>12048701
u're clearly sublimating the issue explaining it as having a pragmatic dimension when it doesn't... by invented do u mean the collective invention of god through mans accumulation of and hyperbolization of moral facts? idk bro you're describing this in very simplistic terms quite frankly ignoring the cosmological component to the whole god issue lol... disprove a prime mover bro I bet you'll say some dumb shit about it cause u dont have the necessary intuitions for that mode of thinking, u'll be like "thats not empirical" or something in this vein lol.

>>12052984
lol based gnostic normieposter