/lit/ - Literature

>>12031037
It was autism. Read Evans' trilogy

>>>/his/ is the board for this

Read his books (Mein Kampf + Zweites Buch) first. Read (or listen to) some of his speeches (translated by Baynes for the 1922-1939 period, but some other ones exist).

Then read the testimonies of Skorzeny (For Germany) and his interpreter Paul-Otto Schmidt (Statist auf diplomatischer Bühne) for example, if you want some info about the milieu. Also, Goebbels' journal may contain interesting elements. Also, Kubizek's The young Hitler I knew on his childhood.

Avoid Bormann and Rauschning, both are apocrypha and contain very unreliable material (cf. Skorzeny). Speer can be reliable on some points, and not on others (since he lied in Nuremberg).

For biographies, Irving seems excellent except for a few things (but it's difficult to find).
Frederic Spotts' Hitler and the Power of Aesthetics can be interesting if you want to learn more about his artistic side.

>>12031037
Stop being a cuck. If you're white jews still hate you and will view you as a potential notsee regardless.

Toland's book.

It remains unsurpassed, and will likely remain so forever.

Everything you need to know is in there.

bump

>>12031037
pic related is a good one

>>12031052
/his/ is shit.

>>12031037
the ideal artistic spirit crushed by the ugliness of life and transformed into the mouthpiece of a rising current of resentment.

>>12031037
>I'm not a Nazi
>I just willingly want to expose myself to ideas that are irrefutably wrong for the sake of """balance""" and """fairness""""
Don't be retarded, there is no excuse to read any firsthand account from anybody even remotely affiliated with the NSDAP. Nazi era Germany was a cultural, scientific, and artistic backwater that you should spend exactly zero of your time learning about.

>>12034308
You didn't troll me. I know you love Hitler.

>>12034022
yeah, it's the board for this

>>12034308
>Don't be retarded, there is no excuse to read any firsthand account from anybody even remotely affiliated with the NSDAP. Nazi era Germany was a cultural, scientific, and artistic backwater that you should spend exactly zero of your time learning about.
are you being serious here?

>>12034404
>BUT I LIKE NAZIS

>>12034410
there is literally nothing wrong with being a nazi

>>12034410
Stop trying to censor people you fucking tyrant.

>>12034419
>let speak people who don't let others speak

>>12031037
i found a torrent with a few leiflets and some useless stuff (i don`t understand german lol), it should be active
>cultural, scientific, and artistic backwater
kek, are you a reditor or a marvel fan?

>>12034473
some of us are tolerant multicultural nazis who promote freedom of speech you pleb

>>12034473
>not being a pro-free speech nazi

>>12034474
It's true though, there was absolutely nothing remarkable or significant that came out of Nazi Germany that wasn't a continuation of Weimar era accomplishments.

The vast majority of Germany's intellect was concentrated upon it's Jewish population, and after they left they were were left with autists who considered physics a Jewish science, architects like Speer who's structures are falling to pieces only 80 years after their construction, and vapid and meaningless literary and film works that only served to bolster the reputation and status of the crumbling state apparatus they were beholden to.

>>12034490
Literally impossible. Nazi ideals are so far divorced from empirical and accepted conceptions of logic and reason that they're only enforceable through immoral amounts of force.

Any society that respects free speech will just shout down and refute literally anything that Nazis say anyway, so why not cut out the middleman and spare the world the pain of another facetious and anti-democratic ideologue subverting the will of a few to the detriment of the many by outlawing the ideology? It's really not that radical, we outlaw terroristic threats so it's sensible to outlaw expressing racially discriminatory spooks that can only lead to violent action.

>>12034552
>it's

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

>>12034570
>Nazi ideals are so far divorced from empirical and accepted conceptions of logic and reason that they're only enforceable through immoral amounts of force.
absolute commie projection

the people in Nazi Germany fucking loved HItler

>>12034574
"It's" is a contraction of "it is" you fucking brainlet. My usage was correct
https://grammarist.com/spelling/its-its/
>>12034583
Really? What about the Jews, the homosexuals, the people with a moral compass who defended those people despite not being members of their group?

>>12034592
>the Jews, the homosexuals,
based HItler was just going to send them to camps and then off to Israel.

Not so sure about the homos. Maybe just make them be secretive about it

>>12034598
So all the Jews are back in Israel, and all the homos are keeping it to themselves?

I'll just have a coke then.

>>12034552
Architecture (flaktürm and a lot of "brutalism")
Engineering (u-boats, stukas)
The USA needed more than 100000 scientists from "allied" countries including six future nobel winners to build atomic bombs, even Einstein was worried about the nuclear improvement of the Germans
Their planes defeated the luftwaffe thanks to the radar
Compare the degenerate art with nazi art
All of the above is mainstream stuff brah
>literary and film works
what is motivation for a world war

>>12034574
you're a fucking idiot, read more

>>12034592
>Really? What about the Jews, the homosexuals
What about them? He said 'people.'
And anyway, these small subversive minorities are obviously not the intended beneficiaries of Nazi ideals (and why should they be?) so of course they will object, but that doesn't mean Nazi ideals aren't or should not be immediately agreeable for the majority of a good population.

>>12031037
I am also mildly curious. Like is there any Hitler equivalent to Stephen Kotkin's books on Stalin?
Also fuck /pol/ and /his/, buncha losers

>>12034570
>Literally impossible. Nazi ideals are so far divorced from empirical and accepted conceptions of logic and reason that they're only enforceable through immoral amounts of force.

If so, then why shouldn't we trust our educated contemporaries see it by themselves while reading about it ?

>>12034570
>Literally impossible. Nazi ideals are so far divorced from empirical and accepted conceptions of logic and reason that they're only enforceable through immoral amounts of force.

If so, then why shouldn't we let our educated contemporaries see this by themselves while reading about these ideals ?
Don't you have any discernment yourself so you can't trust others to have some ?

>>12031037
Hahaha you're so fucking transparent

>>12034743
>If so, then why shouldn't we let our educated contemporaries see this by themselves while reading about these ideals ?
It's unnecessary and potentially dangerous, like reading moon landing conspiracy theories or studying a barbaric dead religion

>>12031037
This book is good. It's an exploration of the historiographical approaches to Hitler so will give you a lot of context about how people have interpreted and argued over the various parts of his life and character and their importance.

Try and get the American edition if you can because Irving successfully got passages critiquing his work excised from the British publication.

>>12035159
Basically, don't let people care for themselves by chosing what they are interested into and force them to blindly trust the common opinion about a subject.
The opposite of freedom and critical mind.

itt: easily baited retards

>>12035181
This isn't the middle ages and modern day higher education isn't the Catholic Church, our institutions are finally at a state where they are trustworthy and any examination of the evidence will corroborate this claim well.

>>12035191
> institutions are finally at a state where they are trustworth
Oh ok, I see how you may think the way you do if you trust institutions.

>any examination of the evidence will corroborate this claim well.
I still fail to understand how this is not favorable to letting people see for themselves. Do you consider your fellow as stupid ? Are you very smart and higher IQ ? Is lit the meeting point for intellectuals around the world ?
Did I get meme'd when they told me it was just another circlejerk on some unevolving 2000's anime board ?

>>12035230
Whites (particularly poor whites) are too easily radicalized by bullshit Nazi ideology to allow it to propagate, and to answer your question, yes, I do kind of view most Americans as stupid.

>>12035236
>Whites (particularly poor whites) are too easily radicalized by bullshit Nazi ideology to allow it to propagate, and to answer your question, yes, I do kind of view most Americans as stupid.

Poor blacks are easily radicalized by bullshit gangsta ideology, and our trustworthy institutions still don't ban this cancer, though I'm pretty sure there is more blood spilled by gang violence than kkk in our days.

>>12034592
>"It's" is a contraction of "it is" you fucking brainlet. My usage was correct
no it wasn't, read again

>>12031037
Evans is fine but its
More about the third reich and its basically a compilation of other peoples histories. Youre not gonna find any revelatory in his work. I recommend john toland. Great book on hitler, nuanced approach, interesting details and highly highly readable.

>>12034308
(You)

>>12034308
>I never read anything written by someone within the NSDAP but I know their ideology and I'm able to form impartial thoughts about it because ___________
>I'm absolutely sure public education, managed by the state, has no interest whatsoever in constructing strawmans and false premises to oppose an ideology that almost overthrew its entire system in the past

>>12034308
The fact that passive aggressive Reddit fuckers like you genuinely believe this is what's really wrong with contemporary academia. You really and truly believe that it is MORALLY WRONG to learn about people you disagree with because those ideas are EVIL AND BAD. You remain willfully ignorant to an ideological movement that significantly impacted the 20th century and shaped the world we live in. You choose to remain blind to other ways of thinking because you are a fucking coward who cannot be challenged in your worldview. People like you will burn when the Nazis, or their equivalent, regain control over the reigns. Your day is coming.

>>12034308
Read the books, a lack of reading makes you a retard. Mein Kampf is like those autistic spergs who can't into paragraph breaks or grammar, it's entertaining in that respect and horrifying with respect to the future.

>Backwater
Do you realize where you're posting? Falseflag or retarded fag

But you should read all Nazi accounts with the understanding that they lied about history to cohere their intellectual property. Irving, personally, was a LARPER who lied about things like the Dresden bombings, so best to look elsewhere. I suggest reading the novel Europe Central, because Vollmann is a masterful researcher and engages you in the world wonderfully.

Just don't ignore books, that leads to weakness.

t. Jew

>>12031037
culture of critique

>>12034373
I can't believe you're the only one who didn't fall for my post.

>>12034619
>architecture
I won't argue with that, it does have a certain charm to it and is thematically appropriate
>engineering
Germany knew it would have manpower shortages in a large war against most of the world. It tried to make up for this with expensive, high tech, high maintenance vehicles. The allies and soviets, on the other hand, used a strategy of overwhelming the enemy. In England, spitfire were being produced at a faster rate than they were being destroyed, in America, most vehicles were defective upon leaving the factory, but could just overwhelm with numbers.
>scientists for nukes
People were worried because the chain reaction was discovered in Germany. At the end of the war, people discovered that the project had been mothballed in favor of more conventional, defensive weapons
>degenerate art VS. Nazi art
While stylistically different, Nazi art had the exact same intentions as "positive" soviet propaganda, just showing what life could be like if people only went with the party; And in the age of photography, the realism of a piece isnt important, just the message

>>12031037
he ruined conquering for everyone

>i wanna read about hitler

>>12035370
Except it is, if you were going to nitpick my grammar and spelling you should have pointed out my pretty egregious use of "who's" instead.

Of course none of that is relevant, you know exactly what ideas I was trying to communicate regardless of the grammatical errors I made while trying to convey them, you're just a disingenious retard with no counter-arguments trying to discredit me by pointing out stupid shit.