/lit/ - Literature

>>12032496
>What's your reading list for November looking like?
Bunch of randos, but every other one will be Gordon Dickson, so it'll be ok.

book of the new sun

sanderfag a hack

>>12032535
read this one gais, best boook evarrrrrr, no memes I promise.

>>12032451
>blood thirsty street girl meme
What was he thinking

I literally can't stop reading this series.
Throne of Glass is amazing.

You might be pleasantly surprised.

inb4 obvious spelling mistakes

I'm still chugging through the Spiral Wars series, currently on book 4
These fuckers are meaty

Absolutely loving them, thanks to the guy here who recced them

>>12032634
Next month better be GRI filled. I'm fed up of you apologizing for lack of GRI.

>>12032734
Blame the voters GRI-kun

>>12032593
fuck off

>>12032496
>What's your reading list for November looking like?
I'm just going through this and last months releases right now, last month I read a new release or two and then spent the rest of the month not reading much.

anyone have any recs for heroic fantasy where the powers are earned rather than just inherited

I kinda liked that aspect of stormlight, even if it did kinda fall off hard

I predict literally nobody is going to read or discuss lonesome October, not even the memers that voted for it. sigh. why the fuck do we bother?

>>12031785
>his widow and his publishers will rip his will apart
How? What if he got a bunch of witnesses and got a judge to notarized it and everything.
I'm not americlap, so I don't know how y'all can just break a legal agreement with no repercussions.

>>12032834
>sigh
epic post good sir

>>12032593
I keep telling you nigga - trolling is supposed to be subtle.

fuck you i liked it

>>12032834
It was rigged by one guy for sure, no one would willingly want to read some old boring looking book like that. PSS should have won.

>>12032884
Prepare for MOAR gri.

>>12032900
Anyone read any good hard sci-fi published in the last few years?

>>12032876
Another virgin who rates a book before reading it.

>>12032917
Three Body Problem

>>12032922
Dropped it. And it's not really all that hard, the dimension shenanigans dragged it down.

>>12032920
While I did quote that post by mistake, I don't see why are you involving me in your inane whining.

>>12032634
YES. FINALLY. after 6 months of shilling this book, /sffg/ finally comes through

>>12032834
>>12032894
i will be reading it and i can assume others will be since i only voted once

I didn't vote (haven't been here for a month because I aint read shit) but I'll read it because it's Zelazny

>>12032998
Not the first post from this IP. Nice try, rigger-kun.

>>12033006
>people arent allowed to post more than once in a thread

>>12032830
Wolfe's Wizard Knight could be said to be something like this as he receives his powers/boons through various trials and misadventures (sometimes just chance). All the same the hero is not born with any powers and ends up godlike.

>>12033015
>cartoons were an experiment by the government to make children furries
Anybody that wants to fuck an anthropomorphize animal watched key cartoons in there youth.

>>12033044
Wizard Knight sounds a lot better than BOTNS, why doesn't it get shilled more?

>>12033097
because it isnt good. BOTNS is better in every way. you'll fall asleep reading wizard knight.

>>12033097
Cuz you have shit taste.

>>12033097
BOTNS is incredible but the incredible bits hinge on rereading/close reading

Wizard knight is a nice simple read

>>12033107
How can it be more boring than BOTNS?

>>12032834
I like Roger Z and haven't read this yet so I'll read it. In glad it's short 2bh cos I'm also trying to do Nanowrimo

>>12033088
Hopefully this talking dog I keep hearing about is hot.

>>12033140
This

>>12032734
You have a month to come up with the perfect, GRI-based, nomination.

>>12032990
I'm looking forward to reading it. The only thing I don't understand is why you did not nominate it for October.

>>12032884

Fuck you I loved it. The first trilogy is amazing.

>start reading The Poppy War
>it's a fantasy novel about a teenager going to a school
>expect just another Harry Potter rip-off
>mfw Jiang is more based than Dumbledore
>mfw the menstruation scene
>mfw the school is a military academy that actually teaches real things instead of ridiculous bullshit and the protagonist has to earn every accomplishment instead of relying on pure luck all the time

I'm not even finished but I can't wait for book 2.

>>12033412
>its another chosen girl that came from rags to glory with some societal struggles along the way story

>>12032496
>What's your reading list for November looking like?
Overview of French history
rereading Chronicles of the Black Company
try to get into Age of Myth

Other than that, no plans.

>>12033412
I couldn't even finish that shit. Something about the authors prose grated me. Also the mc comes off as a complete cunt.

Listening to Children of Time. Does this shit get better? Literally the only reason I haven't dropped it is because the narrator's domme british voice makes my dick launch into orbit

Why the fuck didnt the spider got punished for starting a war with the ants btw?

>>12033412
>female thief rags to riches story
>muh fuck colonialism story

I'd rather die than

Mark Lawrence is ____.

>>12033680
Colonialism is bad

I'm curious, are there any /lit/ series that fuck with the classical elements?

>>12033412
It uh takes a turn in about 50 pages from where you are, you'll probably love it

>>12033743
CUTE

>>12033140

Are any of the Magic the Gathering books worth reading?

>>12033908
>I'm so glad I spent those ours reading CCG tie-in novels

>>12033920
it's spelled "hours" genius

Why would anyone read contemporary western sci-fi or fantasy

Heading to a normie bookstore in the city, any recs for good sffg?

>>12032894
I didn't vote, but PSS is not very good.

>>12034009

define contemporary and what eastern sci-fi and fantasy do you read that isn't manga, light novels, Murakami, or Liu Cixin

>>12033122
Most people I talk to about it don't get Wizard Knight at all.

https://pastebin.com/0v1ARsQH
I'm writing a fantasy romance

>>12034020
I read wuxia ofc

>>12032884
fuck Bakker is the man. I think the first and second book of the second series are pretty weak they're the slog of slogs mirite? but regardless I very much liked the whole thing. lots of circle jerking philosophy that I'll eat up, characterization was ok, but oh boy Bakker is an ideas guy. I feel like I'm reading hard sci-fi when I read his stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzFBAB3SzA4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQQD1UjiqEc

the soundtrack to this series.

>>12033908
the onslaught cycle was interesting

>>12033920
I mean if they were good I wouldn't care.

>>12034037
DEW IT FAGGET
romance in fantasy nowadays is severely lacking its either smut or so low key that it doesnt matter

>>12034044
Its ok to have wrong opinions. Mines of (not)Moria was some of Bakker's best work.

Sorweel best boy, did nothing wrong, pussy destroyer, how can Moenghus even compete.

>>12034037
As a romancefag I support this. I admit I've never read a romance novel in my life but I'm a sucker for romance subplots. It's half the reason I read The Black Company and thought that Port of Shadows is my favourite book.

>>12034206
Well read one, fag

>>12034245
Why the fuck would I do that anon?

>>12034206
Read Curse of Chalion and also the Vorkosigan series.

>>12034252
If you like romance stories just read them. Have you read non-genre romance like Jane Austen or the Brontes? Have you read Twilight?

>>12032884
well yeah it's based so no shit.

>>12034257
>Curse of Chalion
i have had this on my bookshelf for 15+ years
i really should work on some of my older books

>>12034264
Fuck no. Why the Hell would I do that? I'm picky as Hell when it comes to romance anyways.

>>12034289
Move it to the top of your stack, it's a fast read and is seriously some of Bujold's best work.

>start a book
>"Syr"
>get annoyed
using anachronisms for flavour is bad enough when they're real ones with the correct spellings

she gets memed on here but Jemisin inheritance trilogy are good fantasy romances

>>12034038

what contemporary wuxia novels do you read?

>told myself I wasn't going to read another high-strung action-fantasy full of magic battles after finishing the mistborn trilogy
>immediately pick City Of Brass back up because I couldn't find anything to read

Why are the low key fantasy pickings so slim?

>>12034702
Can't help you if you're so functionally retarded that your only attempt at finding action fantasy ends with picking up and dropping mistborn anon.

>>12034744
>Can't help you if you're so functionally retarded that your only attempt at finding action fantasy ends with picking up and dropping mistborn anon.

I said I *finished* mistborn, and am looking for something *besides* action-fantasy. Also, I never said that this has been my only attempt.

anon, no offense, but you either need to pay more attention or seriously work on your reading comprehension.

>>12034702
there's like 30 recluce books about magic woodworkers or whatever

>>12032496
>study physics, chemistry in school, work in research and engineering
>every sci-fi novel becomes a fantasy novel
Anyway, just finished The Windup Girl. Everyone should read this book.

>>12034765
>*finished* mistborn
eww

>>12034779
write fantasy instead, then everything you write will be a scifi novel.

that's not a joke btw. that nearly happened to me

>>12034789
Explain further.

>>12033412
It looked good except for the whole blatant anti-colonialism bent to it that made me suspect it would be too preachy to enjoy. Was it preachy?

>>12034779
You'd be surprised how many fantasy authors have science degrees. Did you know Robert Jordan had a physics degree and worked as a nuclear engineer before he wrote Wheel of Time?

>>12034845
I seem to recall Terry Pratchett having worked in that kind of field.

>>12034789
Oh, I'm not much of a writer, although I'd like to be. I meant in the reading of sci-fi, I can only see fantasy stories. Even basic level courses started making everything but the hardest sci-fi look ridiculous. By the time I made it to modern physics, I had to convince myself I was reading fantasy stories just to finish a sci-fi short.

>>12034834
Not that anon, but once your understanding of physical interactions and mathematics becomes strong enough, it's hard to see the world as anything but. I've mostly counteracted this by studying philosophy of psychology, but now all I can see in human interaction is the same handful of cognitive biases and survival mechanisms.

I think studying STEM, like being an otaku, is a form of self-induced autism.

>>12034845
I didn't know that, but that explains Jordan's seeming inability to not over-describe everything to the point of unreadability. Wheel of Time is bad in every way a story can be bad, and it's written even worse. It's appropriate that Sanderson would finish it for him. I have to read manuals and reports for a job, and I prefer to not bring work home if possible.

Personally, my kind of sci-fi is The Forever War by Haldeman or Beacon 23 by Howey - the "science" exists in the most basic of trappings, used as allegory for something more human. Anything more than that, and I can't disengage myself enough to enjoy it. I also prefer my fantasy to be the "It's Magic, I ain't Gotta Explain Shit" variety.

>>12034889
Whoops, should say ". . .by studying philosophy and psychology. . .". I don't know what the philosophy of psychology is; I imagine if psychologists maintained a rigorous one, they wouldn't have a reproducibility crisis. snort snort, hon hon, I'm so funny lmao

kys

>>12035083
bitch, did you say that to me?

not that bad actually

>>12034913
autism
>>12034845
brandon sanderson started as a chemistry major

>>12035083
you better not be talkin to me

>>12035127
The cover art looks pretty dank but I wasn't too impressed with Old Man's War
I don't think I like his style of writing but I can't put my finger on why

I loved malazan and just dropped inda by Sherwood Smith because I literally cannot take anymore grrl power and faggot shit. Help me out lit, are there any other series like these two?

>>12035318
like what? Inda and Malazan are not very similar, apart from the military aspect.

If that's what you want, have a look at Powder Mage and Shadow Campaigns. Both are epic military flintlock fantasy series.

avoid shadow campaigns unless you're cool with turban warfare. PM series is written by Sanderson's student so you know its good

>>12035328
Yeah, I meant the large cast of characters and military focus. Those two seem cool, I'll definitely check them out

>>12035342
>PM series is written by Sanderson's student so you know its good
That's not exactly praise, not many here like Sanderson, including me. I like Brain McClellan though, think he's one of the better modern writers. I've heard people say he took a writing class or something from Sanderson back in the day but I don't feel like it shows in his work, at least not enough to say "Yeah this guy writes like Sanderson."

There are no infodumps, no autistic magic systems and world building to fill pages with to cover the lack of a decent plot, the characters and dialogue are well written/believable. Basically everything Sanderson does badly this guy does well. PM falls off towards the end but he's writing a sequel series right now and it improves on PM in every way.

>>12035379

>>12034889
>The Forever War
>the most basic trappings of science
Are you fucking retarded?

>>12035178
He's the walking definition of a basedboy anon.

This comes out tomorrow, anyone else excited? I have a feeling this series is going to be the one Sanderson will be remembered for.

Fuck you Sanderson haters don't @ me if you don't like the greatest fantasy author alive, go be salty and jealous somewhere else.

>>12035434
I gave the two Sandersons I read one star each on goodreads. I am not excited.

>>12035470
My condolences. It's a tragedy that you have such bad taste.

>>12035434
I will not read anything written by Branderson that is not originally marketed as a stand-alone.

>>12034889
>all I can see in human interaction is the same handful of cognitive biases and survival mechanisms.
What are these biases and survival mechanisms you see?

>>12032629

This good?

>>12035434
Oh I like his Cosmere books very much, but after reading through the Reckoners trilogy I think I'm inclined to pass on the young adult stuff.

>>12035584
It's getting hard to tell apart all these multi volume fantasy series. They arr rook same.

>>12035434
Sanderson is the McDonald's of fantasy.

Anyone read this book?
I'm probably going to buy it anyway but I'm curious as to what people thought of it?
The European cultural influences and the sci-fi + fantasy lore and world-building seem cool, and genocide is always based and redpilled.

>>12035693
It's Kingkiller Chronicle meets Red Rising. It's a thorough copy paste job, if that doesn't bother you and you like those other books yeah go ahead and read it.

The cultural influences you're talking about are borrowed from Red Rising as is the setting in general. The plot on the other hand comes from KKC. Other anons have said they've noticed other influences too but those are the two biggest ones that I noticed.
Genocide is also only mentioned a few times, it doesn't actually happen in this book. The MC is narrating the story, just like in kkc, and mentions the genocide and how he feels guilty but you don't actually read much more about it than that. You barely even see the alien race that gets wiped other than a few mentions.

This review covers it well.
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/2438706777?book_show_action=true&from_review_page=1

>>12035434
Why is the girl a twig? Why do Americans push their pedophilia fetish of flat girls who look like prepubescent boys onto the world?

>>12035749
You're projecting, pedo-kun.

>>12035749
weirdo

>>12035584
It's shit. It's an Asian trying to write a greek mythology. Avoid.
but you're going to read it anyways because you're a glutton for punishment, and want to "show me", please come back here and rant when you're done.

>>12035754
But I like thicc milfs.

>>12035351
The Ten Thousand by Paul Kearney

Give me some good sci audiobooks.
For reference:
>Audiobooks I liked
Most Heinlein audio-books were good
Entire chronicles of amber series was good in audiobook
blood meridian was kino
Memoirs of a sinner, some pkd stories, way station, 2001, etc make good audiobooks.

>didn't like
Coldfire series didn't work well as an audiobook. The dialog is all a little too non-lucid. Same goes for 'and call me conrad.' Enjoyed both of them as written books though.

I was autistic enough to listen to the library of congress recordings of BotNS/UotNS.

>>12035733
Thanks

>>12034889
Writing technical lit is hard as fuck if you don't have the requisite expertise.
Heinlein isn't the best at it, but his writing greatly benefits from his engineering expertise, for example.
Stanisław did some pretty cool technical writing within solaris, not sure how the rest of his work compares. I think he was some sort of engineer.

>>12035424
It doesn't come through in his writing as much as with some. Years ago I followed him on twitter, having liked his books, and was disappointed to find him such a boorish clod compared to his fiction. I wonder if he's just more careful in his books or if he his editor has to wash the stink of his toxic personality from them.

>>12032496
>https://imgoat.com/uploads/0935e4cd59/105363.jpg
whats up with that low-key, pedestrian and mundane suggestion list

>>12035693
I tried reading it. The book is basically a Dune fan-fiction. A lot of themes have been lifted wholesale from the Dune after which the author started pilling on his (very derivative) ideas like the space Ottomans.
Unfortunately he does not have the writing chops to pull it off.

>>12035871
>i really like this fictional work this author put out
>i identify with this author because of this make-believe story he wrote
>let me reach out and form a personal attachment to the person who wrote this made up story
>since I liked the story, me and the author will be fast friends

>>12035951
Reading someone's twitter feed is not reaching out to them and expecting to be fast friends.

>>12035964
Stop contradicting the fast friend you just made anon.

>>12035971
But it was going so well

Is this any good? Goodreads says it has lgbt themes, is it the lesbian kind or the gay kind? I'm cool with the former.

To the litrpg fag. What happened to Jeff Hays? He dumped Super Sales 2 to make his audiobook recording company, and now he's not heard from again. He fucked up dissing William, and now that William is a powerhouse in the selfpublishing world,mno one wants to fuck up their chances of co-writing a book with him by supporting Hays.

>added six (6) more Dick novels to my Kindle

>>12036212
He just did Large Chests 3

>>12035884
What should be on the list?

I got the second book of ember, It's not bad, it's just kinda written for kids.

>>12036275
and I got one second after, a little more adult and pern, chemical biological survival manual, trade a splendid design, back to roots. and some wilderness survival book. thats most the books I got recently.

>>12036254
I love the drawings of the different clothes of Roshar cultures.
Fashion nowadays is so boring. It look way cooler back in the day.
A part of me finds it quite aesthetic when everyone wears the same/similar things.

>>12036254
>Sanderson reader just discovered he likes Dick
Not surprised desu

>reading miles cameron's new book
>he's obsessed with proving to the reader that he knows about swordfighting
lol irl sword guys are the worst
>>12035178
He's too breezy/informal in Old Man's War for me

Like the story skips along at the points where you're expecting it to go into detail.

>>12036268
>>12036212

Oh, and he's doing the Life Reset series, which I'm liking.

>>12035770
Based and redpilled

>>12033908
The first Ravnica book was a pretty fun detective story
The Shadowmoor book was a collection of spooky short stories
Other than that the ones I read where all shit.

>>12035584
It's a blatant attempt to do a Three Kingdoms style take on the Game of Thones craze. Writing was fine but I thought it was just "droll" overall, I never felt any real interest in the characters and plot, most of which was telegraphed from miles away. The sequel was a bit better at character writing but suffered because these characters were inconsistent with their behavior in the original book, and god there were so many flashbacks.

Let me put it this way, I wouldn't be rushing to recommend it but if you really like Game of Thrones style stuff, yeah, go ahead.

>>12035764
>greek mythology

wow you're dumb.

is this the making of a mary sue?

>while her power is activated, anything the character visualizes becomes real until the power is deactivated
>however the she doesn't get to choose which things she visualizes becomes real. it's all or nothing.
>she can throttle her reality and only create an illusion, but that means everything is an illusion, and even then everyone can still see what she's thinking

>150 pages into the book
>the events on the blurb haven't happened yet

>>12036647
>wow you're dumb.
>all the god-ing shit, and not!zeus fucking around
He was trying to write a greek epic with Asian gods. Read the fucking book again. Maybe you just mad because you got cucked.

>>12036782
So is the book or the blurb to be blamed?

>>12036776
Read super sales on Super heroes to find out how to write illusionary powers

>>12036268
Huuzzaahh. Super tasty!

>>12037003
blurb since it was unnecessary, although I can see why they did it.

I've liked the opening but the plot definitely kicks off about 1/3rd of the way through. Everything before that is very Modesitt style Bildungsroman

>>12036212
no one knows what happened between jeff and william.
all i know is that there was blogpost on williams blog where he said they had different directions they wanted to go in.
it cant be the harem thing. sine soundbooth theater does a lot of harem stuff and thy recently did erotica too with gunmeister online.
so i have to assume its something personal. maybe they fell out or something.
also when did jeff diss william? i never cought that. i thought they parted amicably.
anyone have the epub to ssosh3?

>>12034766
This sounds interesting but I've got too large of a pile already. Could you remind me about them after new years?

>>12037131
Does Jeff work for royalties, or just a fee for recording?

>>12034766
Quick rundown?
Seems interesting but thats a hell of a lot of books.

>>12036783
>greek epic with asian gods
not him but damn that sounds really good

>>12037414
Every 2 or so books is it's own set and they all follow different types of characters and time periods. The general plot of one is a character developing a magical skill alongside an overarching plot of chaos and order coming into conflict

i.e. magic engineer is about a guy building war machines and being exiled for it, the cyador books are about an outright sociopath rising through the military ranks.

There's a general chronology/story that kinda happens over the first so many books (six iirc) and then everything else is just tales from other periods of time.

I like Modesitt's Imager series more and he has a very specific style of writing (my man loves onomatopoeia) but the books are a nice change from standard epic fantasy.

>>12037524
damn I formatted this like shit

>>12037524
Thanks

>>12037291
no idea. it could be either or even both. considering indie authors are able to afford it. so it could a case by case basis.

Sieg Heil m8s
http://archive.is/eYi2H

It's never coming out, is it? The show ruined GRRM's chances of finishing the series

>>12037834
You'll be happier with it being unfinished than dealing with the unevitable disappointment, trust me

>>12037834
even if it does come out I'm not seeing the last one ever seeing the light of day

>>12037834
hi

>>12037834
It will probably come out. A Dream of Spring, however, won't.

>>12037643
The counter currents site is worth reading for fascists.

>>12037834
I remember reading Game of Thrones back in fucking 2011 and I'm still waiting for the same book that I was waiting for back then.
At this point I've pretty much forgotten what's happened so I don't even think I'll be bothered enough to get Winds of Winter if its released.

On a side note, has anyone read George R. R. Martin's book Tuf Voyaging?
I really liked it, it's honestly one of my favourite books.

I just want to read something FUN

>>12037910
Name a few books you thought were fun

>>12037910
Commonwealth Saga is FUN, especially in retrospective. Hamilton's editor could have shaved a portion out of it, I'll give you that. But it's still fun.

>>12035868
I recently read his biography -In Poland we have a fuckton Lem related books, biographies, letters and his non-fictions. He studied medicine before war. Then he worked a bit as a mechanic and welder. From the young age he was interested in how mehanical things work. He actually applied for a engineer studies but he was rejected because of the fucked up political system at the time - he was from wrong society group. Some sources say he was some kind of prodigy as a kid (constructed machines and stuff). Extremely inteligent writer.

>>12037910
Dresden Files is fun, nothing more though.

>>12037910
Garrett PI

>>12036268
>a lich playing with themselves
wtf is wrong with this author?

>>12037910
Read One Piece, nigga.
This is now a One Piece thread.
I've been reading for over a decade and I REALLY WANNA FUCKING KNOW WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE VOID CENTURY

>>12038302
Go away weeb.
You stink of failure and insanity.

>>12032917
That thing gets too hot.

>>12032917
Define last few years.

>>12038329
It's a sacrifice we are all grateful for.

>>12038337
I don't know nigga, have you looked up the dictionary?

I'm super fucking tired, SUPER FUCKING TIRED, of all the fucking SJW garbage.

What I need is some hardcore fantasy or sci fi.

You know what I thought was fucking surprisingly awesome?
>Battle Mage
I thought it would be garbage. Just something to listen to, maybe a waste of a credit. It was awesome.

I want more of that.

>>12038377
>edgy pol poster too lazy to read
quelle surprise

>>12038377
The Stephen Aryan book? I've been thinking of reading it. What did you like about it? Without going into spoilers obv.

NaNoWriMo is hard
This shit was way easier when I was a high schooler for some reason

>>12038328
>tranny has to hold ass up to give illusion of girth

>>12034834
It's not anti-colonialism as much as it's anti-WWII Japan, honestly. It also doesn't try to convince you that the MC is a perfect person who is always right - don't want to spoil anything but by the end even her allies are wondering what the fuck is wrong with her.

Poppy War isn't perfect, but I wouldn't say preachiness is one of its problems.

This was quite fun, the opening ignored me but I've read the whole thing in about 24 hours.

It looks like the sequel will move away from it but I'm quite a fan of fantasy set around cities without there being an obvious plot from page 1. And it's always nice to read a novel with a magical school in it that's smart enough to actually skip past the education of the protagonist parts by setting them before the book

>>12039089
Oh and it's a minor thing but it was nice reading a fantasy book where different languages existing was actually a factor

>>12036776
Powers don't make someone a Mary Sue, the plot and other characters do that. Mary Sues are characters that get everything right, and that everyone else fawns all over because they're just hottest fucking shit, and anyone who disagrees is a villain, an asshole, or a retard.

If you're worried your protagonist is a Mary Sue then have them make avoidable mistakes. Not too many, because then they run the risk of being incompetent, but have them jump to a conclusion in a way that fucks up their plan, or have them run into a character that doesn't like them but isn't portrayed by the narrative as being in the wrong because of it.

>>12039089
It was a really comfy read. I wish the spy cat and mouse stuff lasted longer though. Hopefully there's more of that in the next book.

>>12038940
here's a secret anon: those writing goals nanowrimo sets? They're set by people whose job it is to write, and who do nothing else all day. It's like getting a workout plan from a guy who's so ripped he cant put his arms behind his back.

Stick to a 500 word-a-day goal and take the extra two months. That way you're actually likely to finish. Take that from a guy who is hesitating to submit his 90k word manuscript to an editor because $4-6k would decimate my bank account

about the forever war, should i also read bool 2 and 3?

>>12039376
Damn, that's how much it costs? Is there a reason you're not trying your luck going traditional?

im looking for a fantasy with a good school arc

>>12039376
>>12039376
I've completed NaNoWriMo twice while working full time at a non writing job. So have a lot of other ppl I've met

>>12039718
Have you tried Genesis?

>>12039718
Blood Song
Red Sister
Sufficiently Advanced Magic(This is a hardcore litrpg and the author is an sjw and his views leak into the book at times, 98% of it won't bother you but the other 2 % might.)
Enders Game(Read the first book and skip to the Bean books after)

>>12038377
Check out the Galaxy's Edge series if you want some right-wing space opera/military sci-fi.

is this what /sffg/ is now? Harem posters and weebs everywhere, yuck.

>>12039880
/sffg/ is pretty much the only place where discussion happens on /lit/. regardless of the subject as long as it is sci-fi or fantasy related.
notice how the haremfags arent posturing or forcing their shit down other peoples throats. ill take that any day over people acting howlier than thou for not having read a certain book or not liking author X for whatever reason.

>>12039901
Well that still happens here with the pretentious Wolfe/Vance fag.

>>12039089
>newfag is trying to shill Miles Cameron
>doesn't know this general was up for 5 years
>doesn't know this general hates Miles' shit
>still tries in every thread for the past week to shill him

>>12039953
You are not the entire general, anon.

>>12039962
I'm posting the consensus I saw over the years. Unless it was one guy in the threads sperging and posting different pics and typing differently.

>>12039965
Yeah it's one really autistic guy, also known as chart anon or GRI anon or anti-dinosaur anon. He also leaked his goodreads once and people memed him with his real life name for a while.
He likes to read YA urban fantasy and Sanderson, that should say enough about his taste.

>>12039975
Hey Vince. I'm not autistic, and when I talk about Shitameron, I'm talking about his Red Knight series. That is the only book I read. And if you do "know" me, you know I only shit talk what I read.

>anti-dinosaur
The only dinosaur books I dislike are the ones that haven't aged well. Yet your memeing ass tries to say that any old book is good. You and the others memed me into reading some shit books.

If only this general would discuss something other than shitty fantasy.

>>12040065
Sorry anon, science fiction is dead. You need to get over it.

>>12039910
>Well that still happens here with the pretentious Wolfe/Vance fag
Pretentious Wolfe fag reporting. I understand that BotNS is not for everyone, but that does not change the fact that it's probably the single most ambitious and qualitative sci-fi work written as of yet.

>>12040065
>If only this general would discuss something other than shitty fantasy.
>says man known only for posting about shitty fantasy once every thread

>>12040105
Botns is fantasy -scifi... You never read it have you?

>>12040110
Please fill in the blank. X camouflaged as Y is _.
Now apply your newfound knowledge on the following sentence:
Science fiction camouflaged as fantasy is _______________.

>>12040140
X-Y

>>12040140
The term you're looking for is Science Fantasy.

>>12040105
That's not true, I consider it among the lowest quality books discussed here. Pretentious wankery doesn't make a good book.

Are all YA authors this hot?

>>12040182
This one is

>>12040002
>The only dinosaur books I dislike are the ones that haven't aged well.
>haven't aged well
What are some dinosaur books that you do enjoy?

>>12040182
Only the really bad ones.

>>12040182
>>12040205
Ho's need to lay off the burgers.

>>12040182
where can one acquire such a female partner

>>12040171
Well, yeah. But that's just a fancy term for a book that mix science fiction and fantasy. Meaning the book is science fiction. It's also fantasy, but I don't think that it stand out as a fantasy book in the same way it stand out as a sci-fi story.

>>12040174
>Pretentious wankery doesn't make a good book
It does not. However, a well thought out and intricate plot with multiple levels paired with writing that manage to match it and be beautiful on its own does. Some dude calling a book pretentious wankery doesn't make a book bad.

>>12040182
The Maas in her name is not just a title, it's also a description.

>>12040274
If I tell you, you will call them shit just to be contrary, even if you agreed with me. I've been here too long.

>elf of color

Fuck you I loved it.

p.s.

Bayaz did LITERALLY nothing wrong.

>>12040465
I bet you're delightfully twisted and evil yourself, my good sir.

>>12040174
I don't get the accusation of pretentiousness or how people complain it's a hard read. He uses some archaic words sometimes, but it's generally an easy read and is a good story, for those interested in story.

>>12040447
Gondor needs to learn to be multicultural. Orcs are the main victim of Sauron's evil and they must be accepted into our lands. The refugee orcs are mothers and children, not fighting aged males. They are blacksmiths and farriers.

>>12040472
The books are also extremely short, only like 300 - 320 pages. No idea how anyone can complain when there are guys writing absolute drivel into the 800+ page mark.

>>12040465
>but I drive a hard bargain

>>12040465
Locking Yulwei in the tower was a complete scumbag move.

>>12040441
I already know your taste is terrible :3
It was a genuine question though.

>>12040472
Literally every Wolfe fan says it's a book meant for rereading and that you can't possibly grasp it all on a first read. Also you can sum up the entirety of the first book in a few sentences, there isn't any substantial "story".

>>12040485
>extremely short
>300 - 320 pages
That's merely a regular size book anon.
I just read a 160 page book that was fully realized and wrapped nice.

>>12040545
Can't you find some other way to shore up your insecurities? Other than bashing what is popular?

>>12040545
You can't grasp it all at once, that's true. Severian lies and twists things a lot.

>>12040566
>Other than bashing what is popular?
Wolfefag saying this is ironic since they're the ones that constantly bash popular books with their holier than thou attitude.
>>12040567
That seems like an excuse for bad writing to me.

>>12040560
I meant compared to most sci-fi or fantasty series.
>>12040577
That make it interesting and actually quite realistic. Most people lie to themselves everyday and twist things. In fact, it's almost impossible to be completely honest with yourself.

>>12040545
Dr Talos play, a minor sub story is a substantial story in itself. You're just pulling things out of your ass.

>>12040465
I liked it too. Except for the second book. Something about that was just wrong.
>lmao what if I write an entire book about a fool's errand

>>12040465
It's the best grimdark fantasy series for sure. Nothing else comes close.

>>12040622
The second book was a subversion of the biggest fantasy trope since ever, the brave group of companions going on a quest to defeat the evil bad guy.

>>12040577
>That seems like an excuse for bad writing to me
Please expand on this thought. Why is it bad writing? Keep in mind that Severians lies are exposed in the text, if you look for them you will find them.

>>12040510
Hello catfag. Were you the one shitposting all morning?

>>12040674
Nah, the question was my first post.
Reading pic related. It's meh. Kinda disappointed because I enjoyed Shuttle Down so much.

>>12040465
What he did in the tower makes him solidly a fucker. Everything else could be explained away but not that.

>>12040625
Bakker is better

>>12040773
You're just vexed he bought you from a whore for super cheap.

>>12040465
I found this series genuinely funny. Most the humour by fantasy authors is cringey and try hard (think, has sanderson ever wrote anything funny?). I think it's because most authors are north American nerds. Whereas Joe is an English nerd from the north of England.

>>12039953
Nobody even understood what the fuck the weird GRI approved no stamp sign over the red knight image meant.

And 1) I didn't get past the first chapter of that as I said earlier in the thread 2) I started and finished the entire new book since this thread was created

>>12039425
im worried an agent would reject me if I didn't do this first

>>12040632
Yeah how brave of Abercrombie subverting the heroic quest trope that wasn't even played straight in fucking Lord of the Rings

>>12040773
>Bakker is better
Bakker tries too hard. His world doesn't have much charm and there's no humour (which is important in grimdark, believe it or not).
>>12041041
>lotr not generic fantasy

>>12039953
>>12041034
You sold me on the book, sounds cool. Also I saw a GR review that said this book doesn't have the pacing issues of his other series, for anyone else worried about that.

I wish fantasy authors made humanoid races less human.

logically speaking, dwarves should be blind and clawed, with fleshy "beards" like star-noses moles, so sensitive they can detect a worm burrowing from beneath a foot of soil

elves should be long-armed and bow-legged like the tree-apes they are, with prehensile feet ideal for grasping branches and strong jaws adapted to a diet of seeds and nuts

also mermaids are straight up amphibians going by their metamorphosis at middle age

>>12039425
>It's like getting a workout plan from a guy who's so ripped he cant put his arms behind his back.
t. dyel
Anyone that is a serious lifter will be flexible, far more flexible than the average person.

Been reading a lot of Irish mythology lately and I was wondering if there was any fantasy books similar to it?

I was thinking there's a lot of space for a fantasy book based on Slavic and Baltic mythology. It's still relatively untouched. There's the Witcher guy and that's basically it.

>>12041085
Rigante

>>12041093

There are fantasy books based on my corner of the Baltic as far as I know, though they aren't as well known in "the West" if they're translated. I would recommend checking out The Man Who Spoke Snakish.

>>12041093
I'm right-wing as fuck, but I would love more fantasy (that's actually good and not full of SJW shit) based on non-white/non-European mythology.

>>12041138
I meant books written by a Western author in English first or by an author that made it into the Western market.

What do you guys think of Perdido Street Station?

I know the author is a lefty who hates Tolkien with passion, but if we separate the artist from the art, to the ones who read it, how good would you rate it? It has an interesting premise and I see a lot of people saying it really good, besides it won a lot of prizes.

>>12041039
is that for copy editing or ?? have you run your novel by some test readers?

>>12041174
dev editing, which is pricier

>>12041152
But those wouldn't be that "authentic" or remotely charming. What you describe would be generic unimaginative junk with the background palette changed. Characters "Western" in nature, with "Western" problems. With only the landscape and the wacky magical creatures being superficially Baltic/Slavic

>>12041151
Same here. I think the middle-east has an aura of romanticism around it that would be great for a fantasy series. There's so much history, mystery. and mythology there. Would the Necronomicon be as interesting as a lore object if it wasn't written by "The Mad Arab" Abdul Alhazred? I don't think so.

>>12041182
There's a lot of people from those regions now living in the West, with a living experience of both worlds.

Is Watership Down actually good? It sounds kind of lame honestly.

>>12041110
Thanks

>>12041204
It’s good.

>>12041172
It’s got some fun ideas but it’s not his best.

>>12041093
Grisha, Uprooted and Deathless are all western authors writing about slavic myths.

CJ Cherryh gets her own mention because she's the fucking best, Russian Stories is an incredible trilogy and The Goblin Mirror is slav goblins

>>12041172
>I know the author is a lefty who hates Tolkien with passion

Oh grow the fuck up, you've been trying for like three threads in a row to start an argument and own the leftists but nobody cares

>>12033756
unless it's done by whites

>>12041050
>which is important in grimdark, believe it or not
This is true. You laugh at the demise of persons. Grimdark is about dark humor.

>>12041068
Write a book with those characteristics.

>>12040002
>Reading fantasy from the 21st Century
W e w l a d

>>12041300
but cosmerefag, you do it all the time with Sanderson and Reynolds.

>>12041068
>fantasy races should be logical

>>12041294
Only if you play it that way.
I enjoy the overwhelming hopeless despair.

The more fantasy I read the more I think I was too hard on WoT.

>>12041188
>>12041188
Ugh. Now you sound like some noble Western savior, looking to bring the enlightened gift of epic fantasy to the savage peoples of the wild, untamed East.
Look, living in the Baltic as I am, it seems to me that we have already westernized.
>with a living experience of both worlds.
What worlds, Earth and Venus? The difference is not bigger than say, between France and Germany. There's mythology here but it isn't actually that exciting as in Greece or Tolkien. And there's not that much. We've been growing our own modern culture for well over a century here, the ancient stories don't matter as much as the stories from the last century. The culture today is heavily intertwined with foreign influences and has been for a long time.

But here's the question. Why don't "western" audiences care for real authentic epics, like the Finnish Kalevala, or the Estonian Kalevipoeg, or what ever else?
Because it's boring if you aren't a folklorist.
Even people here on the whole don't read it. A story has to connect to the readers on some level, and people here would rather read biographies of famous people or Game of Thrones or whatever's popular.
You could write in English something about pic related ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNIhr1O3ZI8 ) a nice fantasy tale with battles and crap, but without the context (a nation repeatedly invaded and subjugated by foreigners for example) it will be boring to the "Western" audience, or even the local youth of today, who are living in a free western democracy.

I just think that an "exotic" dressing as a gimmick isn't enough to make a bestselling book. And that an "outsider" would have it a little bit more difficult to immerse into this exotic mythology without ending up shallow.

I do agree however that there should be more fantasy different from all of this Tolkien-inspired pseudo-European isekai shit.

>>12041294
>which is important in grimdark, believe it or not
But there is humor in bakker just not the chopstick humor with one dimensional cartoonish chracaters written by an edgy author.

>>12041299
eh, not the kind fantasy I write. the setting I have in mind doesn't really have humanoid races, unless you count the Chuds, but they're undead and aren't really sentient so much as they are hosts

>>12041363
Good post.

>>12041370
>But there is humor in bakker
There is not. At least not any intentional humor.

>>12041259
Mate, this is the first time I've posted on these threads...

I hear good things about Oryx & Crake, anyone read it here? Worth?

>>12041363
Not sure why you're going on a huge ramble.

>>12041363
Nobody cares about authentic epics or folkore (if we are talking about a general normie audience). I wasn't talking about the reproduction of that in its exactness. I am simply pontificating a fantasy world that incorporates monsters, tales, heroes, etc from the folklore of that geographic area into a fantasy setting. There's so much cool shit from the history of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, Tsarist Russia, Mongol invasions, and tons of other crap from that area that would be great for fantasy.

>>12041432
>There's so much cool shit from the history of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, Tsarist Russia, Mongol invasions, and tons of other crap from that area that would be great for fantasy.
To further to add to that.
All of which has been relatively untouched because it has been overshadowed by celtic, norse, anglo-saxon legends and history. Though I don't personally believe it's because it's less interesting. Quite simply because the authors writing from those regions can't break into the West so easily, usually because their English sucks and they don't have contacts. In addition to the fact that Western authors will obviously write about their own history and folklore first. There's also the fact that Hollywood has promoted celtic, norse, etc. legends and myths in their films for a long time.

>>12041363
>tolkien shouldn't have incorporated Nordic and Germanic myths because he wasn't either

>>12041179
yep it is. is this a sff novel? is it the first novel you've written

>>12041462
Good points, but you don't necessarily need an English-first-language author, if you have a good translator. And a large publisher with marketing. Stieg Larsson, and Murakami made it big, someone else inevitably will

>>12041414
I got triggered somehow.

>>12041490
Not the point I was trying to make.

>A world with no hunger, no disease, no war, no misery. Humanity has conquered all those things, and has even conquered death. Now scythes are the only ones who can end life—and they are commanded to do so, in order to keep the size of the population under control.
>Citra and Rowan are chosen to apprentice to a scythe—a role that neither wants. These teens must master the “art” of taking life, knowing that the consequence of failure could mean losing their own.

Sounds pretty damn cool desu. Has anyone read it?

>>12041510
yeah. im hoping to start a second soon, but this shitty YA book is a responsibility looming over my shoulder

>>12041068
The whole allure of humanoid races is that they look and act mostly like humans.
Not exactly like us, but similar enough, so that we can relate to them.
No one is going to relate to some weird naked mole person. That's disgusting.

Also, dwarves don't actually dig through soil with their bare hands and eat worms.
They just like digging for ores and gems so they can make works of beautiful craftsmanship and create grand underground cities and palaces.

>>12041565
true, but if you want them to be human, why not use humans? having separate species makes no sense unless you want to put a distance between the two

>>12041399
There’s plenty, especially on the second book, when they’re doing campfire stories

>>12041545
>a world with no death
>have things with the sole purpose of killing people

>>12041581
Because who doesn't want to be friends with a wee midget with an axe you fag?

>>12041581
I don't want them to be humans, I just want them to be like humans.
And using fantasy races is something thats just fun.
I do quite like it when authors only use humans because it forces them to focus on what differentiates them culturally more so than morphologically, which I find more interesting, but making them into new races just adds an extra bit of character.
And fantasy races are basically just human races with changed features, like Tolkein based the dwarves off jews and the hobbits off rustic English folk.
They are meant to be like humans, not like animals as you want them to be.
I guess your take is a bit more modern.

>>12040577
Come on man. This has nothing to do with the novel or the writer. The last thing I want to read here is a loser like you throwing a hissy fit every time someone mentions BoTNS. And it does gets mentioned a lot, too much in my opinion.
Just stop airing your insecurities here.

>>12041204
It's a classic. One that exceeds the fantasy genre

>>12041545
>>12041671
So who decides who lives and who dies?

>>12041958
((()))

>>12041958
Everybody's favorite gameshow.
WHEEL

OF

DEATH!!!

I wanted to write about a band of fantasy wood cutters who use magical instruments in a drug-induced high to be able to cut through the magical frozen wood on a frozen planet, and their guardian and slaver, a half dragon-half humanoid lizard-girl who hates her job and employer/master (who is the actual immortal god-like pseudo-emperor of all mankind since forever), all while their cruel gods (who are just super evolved dolphins) want to melt off the planet with their giant sun-like space ship and make it their home.

So I did just that. I got almost 100k words done and I was really hype about it, then fate made me read Dune for the first time in my life and I noticed the similarities. The inhospitable planet (dune is sand, my fantasy planet is just ice and mountains), the important resource in the spice / magic wood, the mind-altering drug. Ok, cool, I thought, I should just edit some things out and it'll be fine. Then I got to God Emperor of Dune and noticed, again, some similarities between Leto II and the divine emperor in my book.

Now I'm a depressed mess because I always thought my shit is so revolutionary and unique. I guess nothing is original anymore and everything has already been written. How do I get out of this hole? I haven't written/edited anything in weeks because of this.

>>12042061
>>12042063
Nothing worse than dumb YA novels.

>>12042067
w-what do you think would happen to my willy if I put it in the girl in the pic?

>>12042148
the big boios in the pic will but their big willo's in (You)

>>12042067
>>12042155
Why do I feel that the one with the hammer in teh back is Odin's father?

Make a new Thread faggots

This book is actually pretty fun and comfy desu. Enjoying this a lot more then a lot of the big name crap fantasy I've read like Stormlight, Prince of Edge, and Blood Song.

ABANDON SHEEP
NEW THREAD
>>12042507
>>12042507
>>12042507

>>12042067
at this point in history i'd say it's extremely difficult to be original. but that's ok. look at all the dystopia novels that came out after the hunger games got big, magic school novels after hairy potter. i think especially for a beginning writer you don't need to be super original.

besides, execution is more important than the plot.

>>12042067
Who cares nigga. You read this book? >>12035693
You see what people were saying about it? That is clearly heavily inspired by Kingkiller Chronicle and Dune/Red Rising?
The author didn't give a damn, and the difference is that he probably straight up took inspiration from those books, whereas you didn't even realise what you were doing and copied elements of Dune by chance.
And yet he still published his book.

>>12042067
Also wtf man 100k words. I never write, only read, so I had no idea what that meant but that is so fucking many words. You can't give up now.

>>12042512
Thank you

>>12041093
Agreed. A lot of it is fairy tale-like one offs or touristic loredumps by western writers who think they are being smart by moving away from anglo kitchen sink settings but inevitably bring the same tropes and story structure, thereby failing to properly honour the themes and culture and truly feel different

There is however a lot of good historical fiction concerning the region. I recommend With Fire and Sword, which is a Polish epic concerning the Deluge period. Im reading it atm and Im loving it. Since I know nothing of Central Euro history and because its so imaginatively written it feels very fantastical. Gives a would be slav fantasy writer a lot of inspiration.