/lit/ - Literature

Othello, Iago is more interesting.

Neither, Shakespeare is an overrated faggot.

King Lear bitches.

>>1201051

FUCK. YOU.

>>1201051

>implying Shakespeare is overrated

His plays are still widely known hundreds of years after they were written. Most of the "literature" that you like won't be remembered 50 years from now. You are a faggot.

Trolled, I know, but it had to be said.

well since I am racist and love violence Macbeth

Macbeth, because ambition beyond ability leads to corruption and betrayal is more trenchant for me personally that Othello's cautionary tale of jealousy leading to its own destruction. Also, Macbeth seems plausible today while Othello seems too easily manipulated in his affections for Desdemona by Iago to the point that I find myself rooting for Iago, truly one of Shakespeares rascally villains. He reminds me of Han Solo, a scoundrel. Sadly, unlike Han, Iago doesn't ever rise far from his ne'er do well roots

>>1202363
Given your apt critique of Othello, it's just as applicable to today's society as Macbeth. Since society is just as credulous as Othello was. However, Macbeth's "trenchant," theme of ambition / ability complex / paradox, I can't say it's as apt as it was in Shakespeare's time. Certain elements remain incorruptible, but the approach existential crises has changed- namely due to Shakespeare's contributions.

>>1202399

Given your apt critique of Othello,
(thank you)
it's just as applicable to today's society as Macbeth. Since society is just as credulous as Othello was.
(Society is credulous, only individuals can be wise, the mob has ten thousand arms and legs but no head, agreed)
However, Macbeth's "trenchant," theme (Trenchant in that IMO Shakespeare dug deeper than the simple ambition of one man, his lessons on the influence of an ambitious and unscrupulous spouse is a timeless cautionary tale of what can happen when you marry a golddigger with more ambition than sense, note: this applies to a partner of any gender) of ambition / ability complex / paradox, I can't say it's as apt as it was in Shakespeare's time.
(why not? can you elaborate?)
Certain elements remain incorruptible (do you mean elements of society remain pure or certain elements of the plot retain their impact),
but the approach existential crises has changed- namely due to Shakespeare's contributions.
(I can agree, I believe Shakespeare more or less invented what it means to be a human being, excuse me for my time constraint prevents me from elaborating.)
Thanks!

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It angers me that today we seem to have one particularly pretentious /lit/izen with a lousy prose style on here, and his bad writing is actually niggering up my own. Please stop, lousy pretentious writer.

Macbeth. How can I resist the deliciousness of blood, violence, and power? That, and I find the ideas being explored in this text to be more interesting (natural vs unnatural, duality of the world, mysticism, etc)

>>1202363
>>1202399
>>1202800

Samefag.

When you compare Iago to Han Solo you reveal not only your complete inability to comprehend Iago's nature, but your own 'aptness' for the gas chamber.

i prefer MacBeth, it is, in fact, probably my favourite Shakespeare play

>>1202816
haters gotta hate.
Han Solo as a character has many common traits with Iago, to name a few: charm, cunning, ruthlessness.

I also said that the character of Han Solo has a different arc than Iago.

I don't think that invalidates my comparison, I didn't suggest they were the same, only that they had some similarities sprang to mind when I thought of them.

If I have been unclear, my regrets. Your response was less than I expected from /lit/ in that your opinion is obvious but you fail to substantiate it in any way.

Good luck getting that novel published.

Did you even watch the play? Did you read the play? You talk like a someone who's only seen film adaptations of Shakespeare.

Regardless, best of luck and hope you grow out of your adolescent phase and out of your mom's basement soon.

Iago shot first

>>1202816

I suppose you did succeed in irking me judging by my grammatical errors so congrats.

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>>1202924

Exactly.

>>1202807

If that's all you got may I humbly suggest you try again? Anyone can learn to write with enough dedication, study and practice. Best of luck!

>>1201101

Brofist.

Problems Hamlet?

I'm really happy for MacBeth, and Imma let you finish, but Othello had one of the best Shakespeare villains of all time. OF ALL TIME.

>>1202919

You're projecting, wretch. You compared Iago to HAN SOLO. Of course I've read the play, and seen it performed - the idea that you'd try to use the minimum requirement of participation in the conversation for bragging rights is pathetic.

You compared Iago to HAN SOLO. You'll never be literate. Go away.

>>1202930

I hope your girl gets her cunt cut up by a nigger.

>>1202959
And what the fuck is wrong with comparing Iago to Han Solo? That he's from a movie?

Why is one form of people enacting a story superior to another form of people enacting a story? You too hipster for movies? Or would it be different if he compared Iago to someone from an obscure Italian "cinema" from the thirties?

>>1202969
No, it'd have to be from the '50s or '60s

>>1202969

HAHAHA! 'An cinema'! That's hilarious.

You don't understand literature. 'People enacting a story'? You're deliberately fudging specificites.
Star Wars is an evil film, a cold, pseudo-profound shoot-em-up. Even putting that aside, Iago bears not the slightest fucking resemblance to Han Solo. It's the kind of strained, inappropriate comparison that only someone who's read very few texts and seen very few films would make. It reveals the poster as a posturing windbag, as does the misuse of language throughout his posts.

>>1202980

I agree, Iago is more like Lando Calrissian. And he's nothing like him either.

>>1202980
Whether or not the movies are evil and cold should not matter in the question of the validity of the comparison. I wish to call this fallacy the "ad movienem".
Leaving that aside indeed, I have no clue as to the validity of the comparison, since I never saw the movies.
Finally, his "misuse of language" might stem from poor education or being (GASP!) non-native, as I am. Attacking his argument based on that is generally referred to as "ad hominem".

>>1202993
No, I'm pretty certain you're just a fucking moron.

>>1201008
Also, though I loved that Shakespeare wrote a play commenting on racism in his time period, since legal segregation would continue for another 400 years, I still loved Macbeth more, because it reinforces the idea of, though the man is the head of the house, the woman is the neck. I find Lady Macbeth's incredible influence over her husbands decisions simply hilarious. However, Hamlet was his bets play, hands down. I love that existential shit.

problem, Hamlet mah boi?

>>1203044

jesus, second time I've forgot the pic today :L

>>1203046
Lol nice pic. So how've you been, d&e?

>>1203053
>So how've you been, d&e?
I am good. Still breaking hearts and saving lives on /lit/. You?

>>1202993

No it's not. Learn to speak the language you're attempting to argue in - that's just common courtesy. If your education is poor, DO NOT PRETEND THAT IT IS NOT, BECAUSE YOU WILL BE FOUND OUT. His pomposity indicated to me that he was simply a half-educated poseur. The idea of your trying to reclaim him as some kind of persecuted minority is fucking laughable. In fact, I suspect you ARE him.

If you'd seen Star Wars, you'd perceive how massively inappropriate the comparison is.

>>1203064
Oh, you know, same shit, different day. Literature major in college, plenty of reading to pass the time, though not all of it is as glamourous as expected. I have read a few good plays though. I'm starting the play "The Wives' Excuse" by Thomas Southerne, and also starting The Last of the Mohicans by James Cooper. Have you heard of either?

>>1203072
>I'm starting the play "The Wives' Excuse" by Thomas Southerne, and also starting The Last of the Mohicans by James Cooper. Have you heard of either?

Not the former. Seen the movie of the latter.

>>1203100
Was the movie any good? I'm always interested in the differences between works of literature and their cinematic adaptations.

>>1202993
Nobody here is impressed that you know what 'ad hominem' means.

>>1203107

ach it's been ages since I've seen it so I can't rightly remember. Hollywood stuff.

>>1203128
>hollywood stuff
Guess I shouldn't touch it, then haha. But seriously-I'm sick of Hollywood destroying literature. I work and B&N, and I noticed this year that our summer reading table was half filled with books that have been made into movies. It's saddening to think that a significant number of high school students won't read a book unless it's been made into a movie, and even then, will probably watch the movie instead of the book.

>>1203134

Before you read any Cooper, you should read Twain's essay on Cooper's work:

http://etext.virginia (DOT) edu/railton/projects/rissetto/offense.html

Last of the Mohicans isn't as bad as some of Cooper's stuff, but you've been warned. The movie may be Hollywoody but at least you get to see Daniel Day Lewis be awesome.

>>1203163

Two addenda:

1) Everyone, even those not considering reading Cooper, should read Twain's essay because it's hilarious.

2) That movie really is great. It's worth seeing.

>>1203163
I love Daniel Day...maybe I will watch the movie. Also-my professor mentioned the article in passing...she said Twain wrote it to thin out his competition. What do you think?

>>1203134
obvious troll is obvious.

mark twain's stance was that cooper was hollywood.

>>1203168

not trying to be an asshole or a troll, I'm just curious- wouldn't it be "two addendum?"
addenda is plural, so "two addenda" is two groups of addendums, which are singular.

>>1203169

Well, I've tried reading various of the leatherstocking tales on different occasions and have never managed to finish any of them. (And it's rare for me to not finish books, even if I don't like them) Twain might have written the essay to get rid of competition, but there's no question that Twain is an exponentially better writer than Cooper. I really _want_ to like the leatherstocking tales, since they take place in my back yard and I love stories about living in the woods, but I just can't.