/lit/ - Literature

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Why is The Red Knight so hated here?

>>12015572
red is a woman color

>>12015572
its not particularly good and is "overhyped".
its not bad but it isnt what people make it out to be either.

Good place to download free books with ease? I am trying to get a creative discord off the ground (no, i won't shill it here, don't worry). We need a reliable way to acquire novels for our gay ass book club similar to the monthly reading here, but it has to be pleb accessible cause they may be too inept to torrent

>>12015591
What do people make it out to be? I picked it up at the library without noticing any hype.

>>12015603
mobilism.org or irchighways #ebooks channel.
b-ok is also an option for older literature mainly.

The first law series by Joe Abercrombie is the best nu-fantasyseries written in the 21st century.

>Did you like the book?
>Will you read the rest of the series?
>Do you like fantasy books mirroring historical events? Did this book pull it off?

Also, please reply to this post with nominations for next months reading.

>>12015561
>Monthly Reading for October: Sword in the Storm (The Rigante, #1) by David Gemmell
No it's not, we just finished.
:^)

>>12015572
It's only one guy who hates it autistically.

>>12015653
I wouldn't go that far.

>>12015690
Nu-fantasy generally sucks ass, though.

>>12015653
Top of the shitpile.

What are some epic fantasy books that have magic, but it's not over the top and kept in the background or two a few powerful characters. I'm tired of everyone and his grandma using magic like in Malazan, Sanderson shit, etc.

>>12015705
Prince of Thorns

Why do fantasy authors, particularly epic fantasy authors, write the most cringy and unrealistic female characters?

>>12015705
Warlord Chronicles if you don't mind Arthurian stuff.

>>12015726
Lack of experience with women maybe?

>>12015733
Disgusting

>>12015726
What would you consider cringy and unrealistic female characters?

>>12015733
why would you even want experience with a gender that willingly gets neck rings?

>>12015738
Paran's sister from Malazan comes to mind. Generally every female POV.

>>12015513
how do you figure? didn't it only come out relatively recently?

>>12015653
I finished the first trilogy the other day. I liked it overall, even though it went a bit too anime towards the end. Also the second book had basically no important plot at all.

>>12015739
She breathes through that thing

>>12015733
You have an incredibly shit taste in women.

>>12015733
Gross, looks a doll or some tranny addicted to surgery.

>>12015739
I am not a fag;
I like 'em trashy;
Every port in the storm.
There's loads of reasons.

>>12015759
>she

>>12015763
People keep telling me that. And it hurts even when it's from complete strangers on a Bulgarian steroid abuse forum.

>>12015768
>I am not a fag
Yeah, and I'm not Mark Lawrence

>>12015807
Your secret identity is safe with me.

>>12015802
I'm glad

>>12015644
thanks anon, i do want to start with some classics so b-ok sounds like a good entry plan.
anyone know some others that may have been missed?

Why is Mark Lawrence disliked here?

>take ogres
>mix the letters up a bit
>change them from angry and stupid to calm and intelligent
>get praised for creativity
Who can compete with the genius of RJ and his world building?

>>12015846
We don't like grimderp and he's the epitome of grimderp.

>>12015846
Why wouldn't he be?

>>12015846
Everyone dropped Prince of Thorns and won't give his other stuff a try.
>>12015862
Because Red Queen's War was top tier dark comedy.

>>12015867
I avoid reading everything with Queen in the title as a matter of principle.

>>12015867
alright memes aside this is some straight up lying. Im one of those idiots that decided to give him a chance after PoT because every fagtoober and their mother heralds KoT as such a massive improvement. It isn't. Its shit and so far Emperor is even worse. Can't comment on the next set of novels tho, and I doubt I'll ever be able to. Not gonna meme me again Marky boy.

>>12015884
I should have worded that better, I've not read any of the Thorns books, I started with Red Queen's War.

>>12015860
Why not?

Is there room in the fantasy world for cartoonish animeesque fight sequences?

I don't mean like cringy, magic sword fight on top of a moving train fight sequences, I mean really cartoonish. Like, the kind of fights where a dude gains the ability to flash step from chugging energy drinks and uses it to blow up a building with a single bitch slap

>>12015936
reading this made me realize I actually ended my novel with a cringy magic fight on top of a moving train.

The fuck is wrong with me?

>>12015919
Needlessly edgy and nihilistic fantasy is usually quite dull and awful.
>EVERYTHING IS SHIT AND HORRIBLE AND THAT MAKES IT MORE INTELLIGENT AND DEEPER!
Writers like Mark Lawrence actually believe this. Now I'm all for darker and grittier fantasy (like some good old fashioned S&S), but when it's beyond nihilistic or taken to such hilariously extreme edginess then it becomes laughable. If you want a recent example of how awful grimderp can be try reading The Grey Bastards. Hell; trying reading pastt the first page. The OBVIOUSNESS of how edgy it's trying to be is so cringe-worthy that it ends up being comedic.

>>12015944
where can i read ur manga?

>>12015846
Have you ever looked at one of his goodreads reviews?

>>12015973
This is something I find kind of weird. If an artist reviews other artist's work it sort of comes across bad, like he considers his own work better. Maybe if you shit talk your books on the regular you can get away with it, but its almost like rating your peers in a career sense.

>>12015999
The way I see it, if one author reviews another, they're seemingly placing themselves in positions of authority over that other author.

yo so im on book 5 of this and I'm enjoying the hell out of it, but people are always saying the later books slow down the pace a lot.
Does the slower pace really kill the series? Or is it just comfy slowness?

Is bunny anon still here or anyone that read his book?

>>12016018
that's essentially what i just said albeit more eloquent

>>12016020
If you've enjoyed all the books so far you'll enjoy the rest.

>>12016038
which one was your favorite?

>>12015906
So what do you think of it? I don't mind Lawrence's setting (though I find it far too safe and devoid of ambition) but the story seems utterly pointless. I cared about Jorg more in book 1 then i do now halfway through EoT. I've heard the next trilogy follows a less edgy mc, so i might not hate that assuming it doesn't continue to read like random events with zero pre-plotting.

>>12016048
Fires of Heaven, I didn't enjoy the series overall though and dropped it.

Is the Stormlight Archive worth continuing? Finally finished the first book and I could not get into anything but Kaladin's POV.

>>12016081
on wut book did you drop?

>>12016110
Lord of Chaos, it wasn't so much a fault of the book as the series though desu.
If one thing can be said for Jordan it's that he knows how to finish a book, I realised after a certain point that I was spending most of the book being bored or frustrated only for a great finale to come swooping in and make me buy the next to see what happens.

>>12016088
from what i hear it only gets worse by then again Kaladin is supposedly a major focus to the point of annoyance so it might be right up your super hero loving ass

>>12016149
>I realised after a certain point that I was spending most of the book being bored or frustrated only for a great finale to come swooping in and make me buy the next to see what happens.
I feel you there. But I have to say I certainly don't find myself bored with the meat of his stories, but the endings, in particular Book 3, are cathartic enough to make the whole ride worth reading through. Maybe I'm just a /lit/let

How do you guys recommend this (including the two sequels)? What I heard of the setting really interests me, and I like his writing style, but Dradin in Love wasn't really my cup of tea which made me put it aside. Will it do any harm if I skip it? I was wondering if Borne is a good read, too.
I am a fan of both Miéville and Peake, if that helps, but I liked both from the beginning.

>>12016048
Here we go. From best to worst.
1. Lord of Chaos
2. The Shadow Rising
3. Knife of Dreams
4. The Fires of Heaven
5. Winter's Heart
6. The Great Hunt
7. Eye of the World
8. A Crown of Sword
9. New Spring
10. The Path of Daggers
11. The Dragon Reborn
12. Crossroads of Twilight
So, I can't really put Sanderson's book in here but let's just say he did okay. I missed RJ's writing in The Gathering Storm (especially Mat's speach, god was it butchered), but the plot started to actually move forward and the climax of Rand's line was one of the best moments in the series. ToM and AMoL have their merits, too.

>>12016175

Well that's lame. I guess I'll continue anyway. Didn't particularly like when things started looking up for Kaladin, but liked when he kept struggling. Kind of reminded me of Guts.

>>12015561
Western Fantasy and Sci-Fi would be so much better if the authors watched a lot of anime. Anime teaches you what the male psyche wants deep down. The only problem with anime is it's made by autistic japs for autistic japs, and they keep recreating the same anime over and over for the next generation of 13 year olds. Western shit is always lacking somehow and becoming fucked by political correctness.

>>12016020
I got to book 4 or 5 and dropped it because It felt like I was reading the same book over and over again. Why do the characters have the same internal monologue over and over again every chapter?

>>12015654
I didn't like it, way too focused on the Connavar and making him sort of mythological hero, the first quarter or so was basically isekai. Also something about having a prologue about the MC in the future feels really lame
>really big strong and healthy, completely fearless, super smart, but he's also liked or respected by all and is a super nice dude who befriends cripples and foreigners and shit
>oh and he's some sort of quasi chosen one, the gods are all up in his shit giving him special cursed boons
Then yadda yadda yadda stuff happen his wife dies he betrays her he goes temporarily mad and kills a bunch of people. Felt like it all happened solely to make this nigger more tragic hero like Hercules or Cuchulain or some shit, I don't know. Those tales are cool because they're part of history, this not so much
>>Do you like fantasy books mirroring historical events? Did this book pull it off?
Historical fiction is based, this is just fanfiction either do a realistic homage or make up your own god damn world/plot

>>12016272
Full disclosure: I only actually read a third of the book or so, just skimmed the rest. The part where the witch gives up her witch powers to save cure his bear woulds was just too fucking ridiculous

>>12016257
>Anime teaches you what the male psyche wants deep down.

To consistently trip into your best friend's ample bosoms? Moot point anyways since nobody who wants to be successful in SFF panders to men anymore.

>>12016257

>and they keep recreating the same anime over and over for the next generation of 13 year olds

Sounds pretty much like western fantasy lol

>>12016287
SFF authors can't write good waifus. They all think they are being so clever with their strong quirky female character who is just as good as the boys. Anime would open their eyes.

>>12016287
whats with all the harem novels and power fantasies though. they make so much bank its not even funny anymore. indie authors now make almost as much money as big time published names at a fraction of the effort and investment.
pulp fantasy and sword and sorcery with the typical damsel in distress is also making a comeback. how can you say there is no market in it.

>>12016300
Writing a "good waifu" gets you a 1 star review at the top of your Goodreads

>>12016308
Those a very few people. And for every 1 guy getting rich pandering to dudes there are 30 people getting rich pandering to women. If you're going to be a shameless hack women are your best bet

>>12016308
>whats with all the harem novels and power fantasies though

I would allow Japan to bomb Pearl Harbor a second time if it meant they would not produce any more Isekai.

I know 4chan hates it, but anyone here reading Ward?

>>12016316
>Writing a "good waifu" gets you a 1 star review at the top of your Goodreads
Spot on.
Have you all noticed with modern fantasy how the 2nd book in the series always has the feminism turned up a notch? It's like the author got a barrage of nagging from feminist fans and being the basedboy doormat that authors are he fucks his own series to accommodate them.
It keeps happening and I'm sick of it! You have some world with a hint of dark gritty realism and then this self insert female (or 3) comes along and ruins everything.

>>12016348
invest in my future novel i will not let u down anon

>>12016348
>no one writes books about good waifus!!!
>doesn't buy books about good waifus
>is surprised that no books about good waifus exist
This is the absolute state of retarded piracyfags.

>>12016361
based
>>12016368
Name me a book with a good waifu and I'll buy it.

>>12016316
>Writing a "good waifu" gets you a 1 star review at the top of your Goodreads
Soulcatcher has a 3.96 though

>>12016342
I gave up when the super-cripples got together.
I have never seen such a deliberately insufferable cast of characters in my life.
Makes me think the author went nuts or something.

>>12016081
Keep going. It's not perfect, but it's better than all the other crap out there. Future books have some great moments.
>>12016175
>Not liking Kaladin.
Are you a faggot or something? You haven't even read it mate.

>>12016387
Keep posting cuties, im adding them to my reference folder. Seriously though I understand your plight, there aren't many (or any) kino anime tier novels that cut out the japshit and have a plot to make up for the rule of cool. I'd love to change that but ya know, breaking in and all
>>12016413
No shit I haven't read it, I refuse mormon propaganda. Based pseudowank gnostic esotericism or nothing faggot

>>12016413
>but it's better than all the other crap out there.
Nah, I've just started Guy Gavriel Kay and he makes Jordan look like Rowling.

>>12016404
Didn't like them at first either, but they get better. Sveta and Kenzie are still pretty bad though. And the best one, Chris, has left the team now.

>>12016460
I was briefly interested at the implication that multi-man was bullshitting them to help him murder his twins, but then I realized that either way he'd still be insufferable. And then it turned out he really was just a dumbass like the rest of them.

Also, BULLSHIT that's two fucking years after the apocalypse!
Such criminally lazy setting construction, and with so much semi-decent effort being put into the first story's setting too!

>>12016426
> there aren't many (or any) kino anime tier novels that cut out the japshit and have a plot to make up for the rule of cool.
You are my kindred spirit. This is going to to take the west by storm when someone starts doing it right. My goal is to create an entertainment company producing games / 3d animation / live action kino like this.

>>12016426
>>12016485
>> there aren't many (or any) kino anime tier novels that cut out the japshit and have a plot to make up for the rule of cool.
Funnily enough The Kingkiller Chronicle is the closest i've seen to this lol. It's a shame the author had to ruin it by being a huge cringe inducing closet faggot with cuckold fantasies. Some tweaks and the series would be kino.

>>12016485
Well if you ever get that going remember to shill it here. I have the same pipe dreams, and I agree that it would become overnight success if done right with a big budget for sawano OST

Why is Asoiaf hated here?

>>12016536
because its popular and George is a fat complacent hack who has spawned a ton of copycats and foaming mouth normies to occupy the border of fantasy
t. GRRM copycat

>>12015951
desu i don't need to read past the title

>>12016536
because of the TV series' popularity

>>12016536
books 1-3 were good. i dropped book 4

>>12016548
A Feast for Crows is the best book?

>>12016558
it clearly suffers from sequelitis. book 3 should have ended the series.

>>12016517
I will. Good luck to you to fren

>>12015561
Who is the black guy in the background?

>>12015655
>in all the years of sffg's existence, only one person hates red knight
Neck yourself faggot

>>12016600
huh the cover looks so innocent
never would have guessed it was so degenerate
i mean i like rape do not get me wrong, but it has to serve a genuine purpose to drive the plot in order to qualify as tasteful rape

>>12015860
>we

>>12016515
its kind of small scale too tho right? Not hating on books that follow a tight knit cast but when I think of kino anime it usually means going the extra mile that live action couldn't without blowing mega bux (legions of armies, ridicool settings and architecture, that sort of thing). Thank you for recommending tho

>>12015867
>Everyone dropped Prince of Thorns
False

>and won't give his other stuff a try.
I gave red queen and red sister a try. They both trash

>Because Red Queen's War was top tier dark comedy.
No it was utter trash shit.

>>12016610
>but it has to serve a genuine purpose to drive the plot in order to qualify as tasteful rape
That's what happens though.

>>12016625
>not appreciating modern classics

>>12016257
>Anime teaches you what the male psyche wants deep down
Weebs aren't human.

>>12016612
Yes; we.

>>12016627
well i don't see the problem in that case
tastefully rape to your heart's content
just don't forget the little guys when u reach the top
>>12016636
T-take that back

>>12016625
Why did you dislike Red Queen?

>>12016638
> ;
can someone explain how to use this winky eye punctuation properly?

>>12016636
>Weebs aren't human.
WRONG. Anime awakens the male spirit. Turns an npc into a man of honor.

>>12016653
It's called a semicolon. Google it

>>12016690
>just google it
>that'll make you Wolfe tier anon
i need answers niqqa, help

>>12016652
Can your faggot ass go back to redshite?
I can recognize your reddite ass posts now.

>>12016658
gtfo weeb

>>12016658
This is the stupidest idea ever posted in /sffg/

Everybody loves large chests 3 is out.

>>12016715
I don't.

>>12015561
who /nogod/ here?

>>12015561

The person who's been posting the pictures for this general thread over the past week or so (assuming same person), has been doing a better job of posting fun/intesting pics I've never seen before than anyone else on this website.

>>12016715
Thats cool but who has super sales 3? It's out today

>>12016725
>hairy anus mouths
>rape powered spaceship
>cuck magic
Is the next trilogy here yet? How the fuck is Bakker gonna weasel his way out of the ending of the last one?

>>12016721
Is that Vin, or some other street urchin? I gotta be honest, that's basically exactly how I pictured Vin, right down to the shape of the dagger

>>12016733
When I used to slave for the thread I made new OC OP pics everythread. Bot tiring

>>12016739
He's not. He's gonna do the """"deep"""" ending and have the No-God succeed.

>>12016698
Just asked a question mate.

>>12016725
hell ya atheism rules, rock on brother

>>12016739
>>hairy anus mouths
I don't remember this part.

>How the fuck is Bakker gonna weasel his way out of the ending of the last one?
He's not. We already know that at least at some point the aim of the first Inchoroi is achieved and the No-God closes off heaven. The fact that the No-God exists at all is proof of this, since only Gods blinds to the possibility of the No-God would ever tolerate its existence.

>>12016751
>atheism
Fuck you, the No-God is a God.

I know I'm probably going to get mocked viciously for this, but has anyone managed a biblical or classical allusion that felt as properly integrated and in place as this John Dies At The End quote?

>"We're called shitload, 'cuz there's a shitload of us"

>>12016740
No clue but the coins point to a high possibility. I agree except I pictured her being white with cuter hair.

>>12015738
>>12015744
Light weight. Wheel of Time is the platonic ideal of cringy female characters. Nothing is worse than Wheel of Time.

>>12016765
True, but coins are typical symbols of a rogue.

Also, how is that girl not white?

Wheel of Time is such infantile shite. It seems like Robert Jordan didn't understand that men and women can have relationships without them fucking. He doesn't even seem to understand what a sister is.

>>12016757
stay mad reject, just u wait until i review ur precious little book on goodreads
ur lucky i don't send my autist son after you he has retard STR you know

>>12016558
This.

t. Euron Crow's Eye

>>12016771
Meant to say more white, she looks hablo or hook if you ask me. Its not all about the eyes. Still cute tho, in a urchin rat sorta way, but official art vin is cuter

>>12016707
Joan of Arc style waifus are always the best waifus.

>>12016776
It was written for 12 year olds and until he goes crazy with the terrible pacing and cash grabbing it's suitable for them and how they see the world.

>>12016781
Don't you mean your wife's autist son? Because you see I fucked your wife. So he's not your autist son.

you're a c.uck

>>12016766
>she tugged her braid four times in the review
I approve

>>12016796
especially when they are anime

>>12016840
No, Joan belongs to the west. They do it better.

>>12016806

>>12015951
Holy shit dude. I just read the excerpt on Amazon. I wasn't prepared for the edge. Pic related, the cover of the book

>>12016852
>The west does wafus better
If Joan was done by a modern western fantasy author she would an atheist lesbian in a relationship with a moor who is of sub-saran African appearance.

>>12015654
Struggling to find motivation to finish it. Some of the time/location skips seemed jarring. Why did he have such a hate boner for that king? Surely his revenge was appeased after killing the merchant.

>>12016880
>sub-saran African appearance
What, is she covered in plastic wrap?

I wonder if I can pass off conjuring "magic fire" that doesn't hurt people as a "trick" and leave it ambiguous whether or not it's actually magic

Triplanitary had a good one imo. It's public domain but a bit cheesy since it was written in the 50s. I'd reccomend that.

>>12016941
Was replying to
>>12016387

>>12016361
Godspeed breh
I'll join you there

Anasurimbor Serwa is best girl

>>12016766
thoroughly enjoyed reading

how do you even decide a name for your main character? all names beside mine are shit and meaningless

>>12017161
Just pick something that fits the character. Like for a heroine type go with something that sounds elegant and feminine but isn't linked to any real language or naming scheme. For example, Chlamydia. Might be good for an elf or something.

>>12017161
I don't bother looking for one. They always find their way to me somehow. Sometimes you just hear a really good name and think "fuck yeah, I'll use that"

>The Bad Faith of the Illuminator

>The Sultan: The curtain opens on a typical everyday torture chamber. Yosrick, the young apprentice, sings of his joy in his job.

>(singing)
>“The torturer’s apprentice
>Went his merry way
>To work one day
>I bend and stretch and ply my trade
>Making all people afraid
>But things look black
>Business is slack
>There’s no one on the rack
>But me…”
>- The Adventures of Baron Munchausen (1988)


>When one reads the extremely dense Shadow of the Torturer, one is not reminded of literature but of cinema: specifically, Park Chan-wook’s 2003 neo-noir fantasy film and overrated festival circuit darling Oldboy. Intelligent viewers will understand that the movie’s strength lies cunningly taut editing. Any filler or potential dead space eliminated, scenes blend into each other with strange ease, but the pacing is so relaxed that the abruptness of the scene transitions is never too jarring. To use a phrase dangerously close to a cliché, the movie operate on the logic of dreams. To use a phrase nowhere near to a cliché, the movie operates by the logic of intoxication, which is why the protagonist is introduced as a confused drunk.

>The movie’s narrative provides a constant stream of strange revelations and of developments whose cause and effect is obscured or oblique. But Park does not interrogate the nature of fantasy, and the effect only accentuates pulp sadism. The audience is mesmerized into a state of passive uneasiness and low awareness, like the movie’s hero, holding their breath in anticipation of violence. Consequently, they experience and learn nothing of interest. Oldboy is just an exercise in slick sadism, as is extremely dense Shadow of the Torturer.

>Gene Wolfe’s first in entry in the extremely dense Book of the New Sun quartet/quintet/racket introduces us to another “dying Earth,” a type of pulp fantasy/sci-fi setting where decay and ramshackle tradition rule during an apocalypse so slow that most people have had to get used to it. Severian is an initiate in the torturer’s guild, a satirical device that in Wolfe’s hands always fails to get a laugh. The novel charts his years as an apprentice, journeyman, and as an exile, surrounded by portents, vague factions, and supernatural manipulations. The singular strength of Wolfe’s writing in The Shadow of the Torturer is the hypnotic pacing of his prose, the strange ease with which sentences and scenes meld into each other.

>>12017210
>>"You came for pleasure, did you not? If a dream adds to your enjoyment, why dispute it?" All this time the girl with the golden hair continued her slow, unaccompanied dance.

>>Moment flowed into moment.

>>"Do you like her?" our host asked. "Do you choose her?" I was about to say - to shout rather, feeling everything in me that had ever yearned for a woman yearning then - that I did. Before I could catch my breath, Roche said, "Let's see some of the others." The girl ended her dance at once, made an obeisance, and left the room.

>>"You may have more than one, you know. Separately or together. We have some very large beds." The door opened again. "The Chatelaine Gracia." Though this girl seemed quite different, there was much about her that reminded me of the "Chatelaine Barbea" who had come before her. Her hair was as white as the flakes that floated past the windows, making her youthful face seem younger still, and her dark complexion darker. She had (or seemed to have) larger breasts and more generous hips. Yet I felt it was almost possible that it was the same woman after all, that she had changed clothing, changed wigs, dusked her face with cosmetics in the few seconds between the other's exit and her entrance. It was absurd, yet there was an element of truth in it, as in so many absurdities.

>Severian, as narrator, prefers not to inquire or speculate after the bizarre and the unusual, but instead accepts these developments passively even as greater forces seem to make themselves known. This engenders nervous stupefaction and expectation in the reader, who is torn between curiosity and placid acceptance. Thus no excerpt suffices to properly display the extremely dense prose of The Shadow of the Torturer, for it would have to be impossibly long to capture its pace. Thus quotations appear unrepresentative of the extremely dense novel even when they are all too revealing of Wolfe’s skills as a prose stylist.

>His prose might be backhandedly praised as “readable”. Being readable is a desirable quality for any work of writing, but if a book is praised for it, there is probably little else to it. Seek no further than the metafictional “translator’s notes” for proof: nobles cannot be nobles but exultants, knights cannot be knights but armigers, the bourgeoisie must be optimates, and so on. Conversely, common words may disguise alien concepts. For Wolfe extremely dense vocabulary is a substitute for craftsmanship. Gallicisms, Latinate, and Greek are peppered throughout to spice up amateurish Anglo-Saxon:

>>12017216
>>When it seemed that it must soon be day, I saw upon the broad, black ribbon of the river a line of sparks that were not the lights of vessels but fixed fires stretching from bank to bank. It was a bridge, and after tramping long through the dark I reached it. Leaving the lapping tongues of the river, I mounted a flight of broken steps from the Water Way to the more elevated street of the bridge, and at once found myself an actor in a new scene. The bridge was as well lighted as the Water Way had been shadowed. There were flambeaux on staggering poles every ten strides or so, and at intervals of about a hundred strides, bartizans whose guardroom windows glared like fireworks clung to the bridge piers. Carriages with lanterns rattled along, and most of the people who thronged the walkway were accompanied by linkboys or carried lights themselves. There were vendors who shouted the wares they displayed in trays hung from their necks, externs who gabbled in rude tongues, and beggars who showed their sores, feigned to play flageolets and ophicleides, and pinched their children to make them weep.

>Wolfe always writes incompletely. The scene above is defined by fire-light, but does almost nothing to describe effects or qualities of light. We understand that the bridge is well-lit, but the light of fires and torches is vibrant and inconsistent. Consider how Wolfe is describing what should be a chiaroscuro scene of urban night-life, yet nowhere do we read of the play of light and shadow on the grotesque extremes of ostentation and poverty. The tableau is static. And where Wolfe ventures to describe the qualities of light, he is erroneous: his windows glare like fireworks, but fireworks do not glare. They burst, sparkle, and dissipate. Such abuses of English are common in extremely dense Shadow of the Torturer.

>The monotony of Wolfe’s prose is as clear here as it is everywhere else. Consider the first sentence: “When it seemed that it must soon be day, I saw upon the broad, black ribbon of the river a line of sparks that were not the lights of vessels but fixed fires stretching from bank to bank”. We do not read that Severian observed this “at daybreak,” but “when it seemed that it must soon be day”. We do not read that “a line of sparks,” but of “a line of sparks that were not the lights of vessels”. The monosyllabic evenness lends the sentence a breathless quality, which affixes the reader from beginning to end. But to follow such an effort with a phrase as utterly drab as “it was a bridge” puts the lie to any claim that Wolfe’s prose is remarkable.

>>12017223
>Evenness is the watch-word for the extremely dense Shadow of the Torturer. The prose is stretched and rounded out so as to be read as a single invocation. The more unusual vocabulary might be imagined as ritual Latinisms in an otherwise vernacular Mass. But Wolfe’s prose cannot affect the psychology of faith, for there is no sorrow, joy, supplication, or ecstasy in Wolfe’s droning. This monotony is occasionally quickened, but not broken, when sentences run on to suggest rising emotional pitch:

>>I had known, as all the apprentices knew, that one was not firmly and finally a member of the guild until one consented as an adult to the connection. Furthermore, though I loved the guild I hated it too - not because of the pain it inflicted on clients who must sometimes have been innocent, and who must often have been punished beyond anything that could be justified by their offences; but because it seemed to me inefficient and ineffectual, serving a power that was not only ineffectual but remote. I do not know how better to express my feelings about it than by saying that I hated it for starving and humiliating me and loved it because it was my home, hated and loved it because it was the exemplar of old things, because it was weak, and because it seemed indestructible.

>>I started to ask how it was possible for the House Absolute (which I had always imagined a vast palace of gleaming towers and domed halls) to be invisible; but Thecla was already thinking of something else altogether, stroking a bracelet formed like a kraken, a kraken whose tentacles wrapped the white flesh of her arm; its eyes were cabochon emeralds.

>>The Adamnian Steps wind back and forth across a long hillside, and they are a favored place for strollers, who often hire a ride to the top and descend. I saw many couples finely dressed, men with the marks of old difficulties scarring their faces, and romping children. Saddening me more, I saw too from several points the dark towers of the Citadel on the opposite bank, and on the second or third such sighting it came to me that when I had swum from the eastern bank, diving from the water-stairs and fighting with the tenement children, I had once or twice noticed this narrow line of white on the other shore, so far upstream as to be nearly beyond sight.


>These outpourings remain as mechanically wearisome, because they merely give an impression of agitation rather than the real thing. Wolfe’s extremely dense prose is as cold and inert as his dying sun.

>>12017224
>If one points to such flaws, Wolfe’s fans are wont to argue that its very badness is proof of his genius, for only he could have conceived such a convincing impression of a writer as bad as Severian. This can be dismissed firstly because these are the same fans who will argue that Wolfe’s prose is masterful, and thus they are fucking liars. And secondly, while Severian undeniably writes badly, he fails as such a character, for Severian is not a character at all. Truly, fascinatingly bad writers have depth to their awfulness, but Severian has no distinguishable voice or personality, let alone that of a bad writer. He does not represent any discernible human type or experience. He consists simply four tones of narration: modestly assertive, obsequiously self-denying, sharply observant, and philosophically musing. No doubt fans will next argue that bad characterization is proof of Wolfe’s genius, for it shows how the vague powers that guide Severian have molded him into a literary nonentity. One wonders if the fanboy theorists have solved the mystery of why so many women throw themselves at him. And thirdly, according to the novel's metafictional device, the text is a translation: the blame may be squarely be laid on the incompetence of the translator-author.

>Severian represents a fantasy that is familiar from later genre hacks: of being mocked and maltreated by the universe while remaining the centre of said universe. It is one of the wonders of genre literature that Cugel the Clever, the monstrously selfish anti-hero from Jack Vance’s dying Earth, comes off as less fundamentally egoistic than someone as vacuous as Severian. Cugel at least seems interested in the world and the people around him, even if it is merely for his own advantage. Severian has nothing to him, and from the first chapter we know that he shall be the ruler of his nation. Subsequent novels further underline his importance. The torturer’s apprentice is the precursor of FitzChivarly Farseer and Kvothe the Kingkiller, self-pitying narrator-heroes without personality, whose misfortunes appear as validation of their central role in the grand scheme of things. Wolfe is a child playing with toys compared to Samuel Beckett, who in his trilogy of Molloy, Malone Dies, and The Unnamable charted new continents of existential incomprehension and suffering.

>>12017228
>There only remains Wolfe’s puzzle-plot remains for disposal. Fans have through the years taken up the task of deciphering the extremely dense narrative of The Book of the New Sun in a poor imitation of scholarship. These fans no doubt object to claims that Wolfe bamboozles the reader, as his puzzle-plot is a device to develop and educate readers in the understanding of texts. But this is a misunderstanding of the act of reading and the value of literacy. The Book of the New Sun leads the reader to try to discover the truth beyond Severian’s words, for he does not understand his story, but this is an anti-literary exercise. To try to discover what lies “beneath” the surface of the text is to declare the text itself secondary and irrelevant, what Barthes warned against in “The Death of the Author”. The pleasure of literature is not in what lies beneath its surface, but in the surface itself.

>If the true story of The Book of the New Sun are the intrigues peered between Severian’s words, then Severian’s words – the prose - are ultimately an obstacle to be overcome. If the goal for the reader is to reject the text as flawed, one will do just as well by not reading it in the first place. Wolfe does not teach readers to understand texts, but to understand a text. The skills necessary to disentangle the extremely dense plot of The Book of the New Sun do not translate into understanding of other literary works. These skills are applicable merely to deciphering the plot content of one series, which might superficially resemble an intellectual activity, but is really only a laborious one. This is the ultimate failure of the puzzle-plot: it is an exercise in complexity rather than in nuance. The artistic, educational, and intellectual value of Wolfe’s work can be perfectly replicated by watching Dark Souls “lore” videos on YouTube. They’re about as dense.

>>12016404
nah, he just really likes writing bad people

Severian is a ____.

>>12017229
>Invokes Barthes
Into the bin it goes. Just another "stop enjoying things I don't enjoy doing" tard.

>>12017294
Sperg in the guise of a chad
>tendency to daydream about irrelevant metaphysical shit no normie would ever think about
>is always extremely specific about types of priests, soldiers and boats (autistic obsessions)
>limited empathy for others

>>12017298
>>is always extremely specific about types of priests, soldiers and boats (autistic obsessions)
don't forget his favorite fixation: sharp objects

>>12015654
i nominate a night in the lonesome october. 5th time's the charm.

ITS OUT FAGGOTS
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07K2KLQG3
im refreshing mobilism like a madman

>>12017384
>tfw you could offer a thousand WRZ EACH for every book you requested and they still wouldn't be fulfilled

>>12017427
you know what the weirdest thing is.
you can offer wrz for really niche indie books no dick ever heard about and they will be fulfilled within hours. but once you put up a bounty for a popular book it either lingers there for weeks or even months before it shows up or it gets fulfilled only to be DMCA'd minutes after its been posted and the thread is just fucking gone.

>>12017427
Because wrz is worthless as a shit, if I put a bounty on any book on Redacted or any private tracker someone buys it for me in hours.

>>12017433
Then you can get the books for me :3

What are some good sci-fi, fantasy, or horror stuff set in caves?

>>12017439

any novels like dead space?

>>12013076
I missed your detailed reply last thread anon, but I wanted to stop in and say thanks. CoDominion looks interesting, I think I'll check that out.

>>12017444
https://www.reddit.com/r/horrorlit/comments/3hl6kh/scifi_horror_novels_like_dead_space/
>inb4 plebbit

>>12015603
Library genesis

>>12017444
i just finished reading this. its kind of dead spacey but was really enjoyable.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25003521-prime

>>12016880
>west
>modern-west
these two things are not the same and you know it

>>12016257
imagine thinking this unironically

>>12016610
I thought the autist hated it because there wasn't enough rape.

>>12017444
just watch Event Horizon

What did /lit/ think of the red rising books.
I almost dropped the first once it went into that hunger games esque scenario but pushed through and ended up enjoying the 2nd and 3rd ones.

It only problem is I think the message of the book was lost on me and just made me wish I had been born a 7 foot tall space nazi.

>>12017507
already seen it, it was alright
>>12017451
Thanks for the link, blood music was mentioned which is one I've been trying to find for a few months now. I didn't even realize it was a horror.
>>12017471
Sounds like there are numerous POV which is something I'm trying to study. Thanks anon

>>12017518

Is it one of those books where the main character is female and everything is dystopian and she joins some rebel faction despite having trouble trusting people?

>>12017542
No. The protagonist is male.

Rest of it is the same as always though.

>>12017542
No. Basically, the noble class that look like gods kill this slave's wife. Slave joins rebels, is frankensteined to look like one of the nobles and sent to infiltrate and bring them down from the inside.

>>12017518
Passable young-adult adventure with plot twists and betrayals around every other corner.

>>12017557
That's fucking retarded for a sci-fi novel.

>>12017542
It's a dude not a chick and i suppose he does join them but he kind of doesn't have a choice, and I suppose after reading them the main character changes his mind and decides that being at the top of the food chain is pretty great being a space aryan. When I read the first book I thought the entire thing was a pretty big cliche but author does take a different path in the sequels.

>>12017564
It's more of a fantasy book wearing sci fi clothes imo.

>>12017575
I hate when they do that.
It's the literary equivalent of trannies.

>>12017580
No it isn't.

>>12017580
It's not like a hunger games type of dress, the book seems to be atleast a 1000 years from now, most of the closest planets to earth have been colonised and moon is the capital. The books happen pretty much entirely on Mars or in Space, and it does have space battles but the entire thing seems mediaeval despite being in the future.

>>12017518
The only thing that irked me was how someone who had the genetic aesthetics of a greek god at age 18 could resist having sex with perfect sex slaves that had been specifically bred to be not only beautiful but also be amazing at sex. I don't care how much he loved his wife surely they beat having a wank instead.

is prydain a meme?

>>12015561
I unironically want to read about humans in space suits with swords and shields fighting alien commies and muslims.

>>12016776
>men and women can have relationships without them fucking
Found the incel.

>>12017773
But what about your sister anon?
Don't tell me...

>>12017790
I don't have a sister and if I did I wouldn't consider her a woman. Any female related to me is treated entirely different to females who are not.

>>12017863
>if I did I wouldn't consider her a woman.
Me either, she would be accessible practice material

>>12017384
How does mobilism work? When I search it tells me I need to sign in.

>>12017769
I've got an idea for a USSR-in-space setting on the backburner.

>>12017872
You gotta make an account if you want to search, goober.

>>12017875
Only if they get annihilated by freedom-loving Aryan barbarians.

>>12017880
nah, its more of an escape narrative

>>12017863
>>12017867

>>12015654
I nominate pic related.

>>12015654
Nominating Perdido Street Station by China Mieville

>>12015654
monthly reading anon, I'll make the strawpoll ok?
I usually make the threads, I want to include the strawpoll in the op so everyone sees it. It's cool if you want to make the thread or if you can post the strawpoll by the end of this thread I'll take it and include it in the next threads op.

>Keep seeing Everyone likes large chests being shilled here
>It is a bunch of fetish vore shit
That is a new low for this place.

>>12018014
Congrats, you got memed.
Did you per any chance also try Glass of Thrones while you were at it?

Goodreads is looking positively ghastly, what were they thinking? It's looking like an old and ugly blinged up hooker.

>>12018014
>he hasn't read so many books that he can filter out parts of a book he doesn't like
I've read over 1500 books, everything looks the same eventually. When I think of everybody loves large chests, I think of the shenanigans the box gets up to, not vore, not the anime punch sounds, not the lesbian rape s&m anals, I think of the story and how it's progressing.

You don't know what a breath of fresh air large chests was in the current market. Publishing house authors are failing me. Almost every author is putting out books with female protagonists that are poorly written and clearly panders to the social climate. All my fav authors of years pass is releasing girl power shit that defies logic (learning to read in a weak, complicated logic tree inventions being made perfectly, etc). Self publishing is the future, and you take what you get.

>>12017958
Me on the left

>tfw you try to find some super specific fantasy or sci-fi artwork and can't find it

>>12015653
You went full gum-sucker, anon.

>>12017958
>anything by China Memeville
pls no

>>12018104
He's pretty great tho'. Or are you still buttmad about Grimnebulin condemning actual rape?

>>12015566
i was about to start the way of kings and mistborn trilogy. so you're saying it isn't worth it?

>>12018112
Okay I'll be honest, I'm an inner-lit pseud, and the only China I've read is the first three pages of Kraken, which I tossed it in the trash after reading a character described as being 'like Dicaprico.' Can't stomach that shit.

>yfw I tell you China Mieville's first name was chosen by his parents looking in the dictionary for beautiful names
true story

>>12018146
Try The City and The City.

>>12018158
funny how he looks like a neo-nazi but is about as far-left as possible

>>12018158
You could ridicule anyone that way tho.
>oh no no no no his parents just felt like it
>lmao they just named him after their granddad
>AYYYYY IT'S AN ORDINARY NAME BUT AFTER SOME LONG DEAD ROMAN GUY

>>12018231
nah, doesn't fit, China is just a dumb name

Time Out of Joint feels like the ever17 of literature.

>>12018143
How many newfags a day do we get?
Everyday someone is "about to start" one of Sanderson /Malazan /w/e book is being discussed in the current thread, and they want to know if it's worth it. Every. Single. Thread.
We can't be getting so many new readers.

>>12018250
well, is it worth it?

Hmm. So the Halloween thread is gone. Sad.

When is some faggot uploading super sales 3. I just finished a book today and don't want to start another one until I get super sales 3.

>>12018250
>We can't be getting so many new readers.
there are only maybe half a dozen regular posters in these threads, most anons are just looking for a recommendation to read something

>>12018234
China also sounds more like a girl's name. If I didn't already know he was a man, I would have guessed he was a she.

>>12018231
Naming children after relatives at least has some meaning. Just picking a name because it sounded nice doesn't really mean anything. It's like those ghetto names that try so hard to sound unique and elegant but just end up sounding more and more ghetto.

>>12017210
>>12017216
>>12017223
>>12017224
>>12017228
>>12017229
Where's this from?

>>12018271
>It's like those ghetto names that try so hard to sound unique and elegant but just end up sounding more and more ghetto.
Like Thawmaas? Or Willphred? Or Juddee? Or Daawt'sun? Or Sindee? Or Kristofer? Or Willie-umm?

>>12017984
>if you can post the strawpoll by the end of this thread
Sure, I'll post the poll once we get closer to bump limit.

>>12015654
I nominate Circe since it's the only Goodreads fantasy awards book that look decent.

>>12017384
epub where?

>>12017384
How about just spending five bucks

Modern fiction is too much female empowerment. Even relativley good ones like "A Song Of Ice and Fire," has female leads who can fight and defeat men.

Older fiction tends to be better. One of them are the Kane by Karl edward Wagner. The hero is a MGTOW. He never gets romantically involved with women cause he doesn't care about them. When he is offered to save one he doesn't even bother cause there is nothing in it for him. There are powerful women, but they do not command in the battlefield, no do they know how to fight. Their power comes from manipulation. One woman leaves her husband the king cause some dark lord has taken over and fucks him instead. Then her husband who has raised and army comes back, and she decides to seduce her ex husband and leech of him again.

Another good series is "The Broken Empire Trilogy." The main character starts of evil, raping and killing innocents. He slowly turns in to a tradcon. He does fall in love and settles down and has an heir. But the women are still not dominant and empowered. Unless they leech of a man. In one part some woman tries to seduce him and offer him to take over the world together. He tells her to fuck off and kills her and continues on by himself.

Any more fantasy books like this, that are not infected by feminism?

>>12017958
Why does that woman have the head of a...what kind of bug is that? No ocelli so it's not a wasp. The antennae aren't elbowed so it's not an ant.

>>12018428
>Even relativley good ones like "A Song Of Ice and Fire," has female leads who can fight and defeat men.
Brienne is a freak that probably has some kind of major hormonal disorder. Asha only fights when she has no choice because she's weaker than men. Arya doesn't fight at all, she just murders people. Doesn't count.

Don't respond to it

>>12018443
yeah it's posts off reddit I think.

>>12018429
It's a beetle head gf.

>>12018428
Read self published authors on Amazon. Male harem is the future.
Super Sales on Super heroes
Dungeon deposed
Daniel Black
Wild wastes

>>12018450
>Read self published authors on Amazon. Male harem is the future.
Time really is a wheel...

>>12017384
Kek. I requested it and got it less than an hour later.

>>12018465
can you post the file link?

>>12017384
what is this and why are people excited for it? looks like trash tbqh

>>12018490
basically it looks like trash but its well written and once you start reading it you cant stop. no one knows why its really good when it doesnt have any right to be good.

How can I make a mint writing garbage? Give me some tips

>>12018566
Write consistently and rapidly for a niche audience to build up a following

>>12018566
Write weird porn but don't advertise it as porn, mix it in some fantasy or scifi and stretch the actual pornographic parts between multiple small entries. The addicted fetishists will fuel your sales.

>>12018566
Don't ask me, even Shallan somehow has fans.

>>12018428

>He never gets romantically involved with women cause he doesn't care about them

Wrong. Bloodstone is about Kane being too beta to conquer the earth with a slave army of lizard people because he's too busy pining over a strong warrior woman who dresses and tries to act like a man

>>12015654
Choose something short that anyone can read in a couple of days. Pic related.

>>12016766

>>12017765
Prydain is great if you read YA. (The first book is kind of derivative but the rest aren't.)

>>12018271
Naming kids after relatives is poorfag tier

>>12018920
my cousin named her two daughters hilda and zelda after the sabrina the teenage witch show. they also had a black cat named salem.
my family is pretty weird. i haven an uncle named jimbo. contrary to what the name entails he is not in fact a moonshining farmer down south. hes an investment banker at wallstreet.
my family is weird.

>>12018920
>not having a set of 4 names that every man in your family has to choose from

>>12018465
post it
i cant find it anywhere, not on mobilism, irc or myanonymouse ;_;

>>12019144
Check that last one again

>>12019160
cant find it. could you upload it real quick on mega or something? im getting dns errors sometimes while refreshing the site for some reason. sometimes it just 404s on me.
im dying over here.

>>12019168
You probably like to hit and run.

>>12018428
>Another good series is "The Broken Empire Trilogy."
Yes yes absolutely this! Support Mark Lawrence books. Support Mark Lawrence fans. Disregard Mark Lawrence haters, they do not know good storytelling!

>>12016020
Rand POVs become so rare and instead we get some retarded cunts going on an adventure for something that turns out to be useless

>>12019290
i dont know what the fuck is happening. ive asked in the irc and my account is in good standing and they see no issues on their side. it might be my isp fucking me over or something or the new eu regulations. id be great if you could upload it somewhere but i wont press you.

>>12016536
Perhaps because it's shit?

>>12019307
I don't have access to it bro.
Maybe when I go home in 12 hrs time, I'm memeing from work

>>12016548
#MeToo.
I waited five years, bought it the day it came out and dropped it that day. Fuck that fat fuck.

>>12017384
Nice
>>12016020
I wouldn't call Elayne and Egwene chapters comfy. But you'll know if you've had enough of the series, as long as you want to read it, keep going. Books 8 and 10 drag the most.

>>12016766
Hey man Lewis Therin was actually a cool guy. He barely appeared but he was the best of the bunch

tfw didn't get any work done because I was reading all day

>>12017384
I WANT DUNGEONS DEPOSED 2 AND FOSTERING FAUST 2
DANIEL BLACK 4 IS OUT DECEMBER 1ST
THE HYPE IS ON

>>12019396
Those are some really bad sounding things.

>>12019395
baste & vaginapilled

>>12019396
Dungeon Deposed was pretty good, but he'd better fuck that cow in the sequel.

>>12019400
It's the new pulp era, fruitbowl. Get on the bus.

>>12019460
>fuck that cow
Elaborate. Best not be some sort of kemonomimi shit.

>>12019463
dude made a mintaur dungeon minion. accidentally broke the system and gave her sentience and independance. she wants to jump his bones and licks his hair all the time shes on the old cover pic related

>>12019488
>minotaur
Aight, that's good then.

Anyone read DJ Molles "The Remaining" series? Was told it was a good pulp zombie series that isn't too long.

>>12017384
Eww. I don't understand how people can read this trash and think it's good. There are much better trash out there. That thing he tried to do about a universe that spans all his books was trash.

>>12019664
>There are much better trash out there
List 'em

>>12019673
Heartgem Homestead
Celestine Chronicles
Waldo Rabbit (I particularly like this one, wouldn't even consider it trash)
Centauri Bliss
Dan the Barbarian (eww, it's sort of litrpg but still bearable)
Tamer: King of dinosaur (eww, same as above)
Triple Threat by Cross Brian
Spellscribed (this is not really trash, but I think trash readers would still appreciate)
Anything by R.D Rosier, this is really shitty, trust me.

Anything above is better than whatever William Arand writes, except maybe Fostering Faust, which is not as shitty as the rest of his books.

>>12019711
I'd put Waldo Rabbit on a par with Arand, but Tamer is far, far below those two. Haven't read the rest.

>>12019718
>Tamer is far, far below those two
The first book is really really bad, but it gets better as it goes on. At least he doesn't fellate himself analyzing oh the masterpiece he wrote, so intricate! so rich! Seriously, that guy has some ego issues, and it shows on his books.
>I'd put Waldo Rabbit on a par with Arand
Poor Waldo! There's nothing on any of Arand's books that comes close to the dirt under the toe's nails of Waldo's "The glory of the rabbit onto you", "and onto you too".

>>12019711
>Spellscribed (this is not really trash, but I think trash readers would still appreciate)
>This reads like the author wanted to write an epic fantasy story but fell terrible short. The writing is mediocre and the story is full of old cliches.
No thanks.

Tamer is shit, not trash, but utter shit.

Waldo doesn't even belong on that list.

>>12015654
>>12017984
Here is the Strawpoll and nominees:
A Night in the Lonesome October, 280 pages
Who Goes There?, 161 pages
Perdido Street Station, 623 pages
Circe, 393 pages
The Dragon Masters, 137 pages

https://www.strawpoll.me/16761289
I'll make a more detailed post in the next thread, tomorrow.

>>12019974
>This reads like the author wanted to write an epic fantasy story but fell terrible short. The writing is mediocre and the story is full of old cliches.
>giving a shit about goodreads reviewers
Unless it's someone you trust, you can find opinions on every book either way, good or bad. I liked it.

>>12020043
Why should I take your opinion over goodreads?
You could be one of those persons who hates self publishing.

Hey guys, I have just about finished the Lost Fleet series, and while I thoroughly enjoyed it and everything, part of me wanted Geary to Take power for himself in a sort of Napoleon-esque style. DO you guys have any suggestions of books that are similar to this, but have a different outcome?

>>12017384
Great, I guess I'll pick up the audio book in half a year.

>>12020087
It doesn't quite have the politics you're looking for, but you might enjoy Star Force.

BARU IS FINALLY UP MAH NIGGAS

https://forum.mobilism.org/viewtopic.php?f=1293&t=2825657&hilit=seth+dickinson

>>12020198
Thank fuck, I was dying here.

>>12020198
No one cares. It's a shit series.

>>12017384
Nice when you find other people like the same trash you do.

Does this get any better? I'm 30 pages in and bored to tears. Main characters don't seem phased at all that they are going to another world.

>>12020374
>GG Gay
I'm sorry but you walked right into a meme

>>12020374
I remember liking it, but not for the pacing. If you're bored, drop it.

>>12020374
you got memed son its shit.

>>12020387
>not enough anime duels

>>12020387
>>12020435
It was actually Goodreads that made me aware of it. Usually get good recs from them. I've read too many better examples of the "trapped in another world" trope to be impressed I guess.
Suppose it's finally time to start The Sword of Shannara.

>>12020454
>dropping a trilogy 30 pages in because two anons from /sffg/ who haven't read it felt like slating ggk

>>12020195
Thanks anon, I'll check it out

>>12020478
>reading a trilogy you've hated from the get go just to say you did and you'll never get those hours back

finally, thanks anon.

>>12020454
>>12020374
Tigana is the only book GGK wrote, and you should remember this always.

>>12020513
Elaborate so I can shit on you.

>>12020513
Who are you talking two?
There are two begs in this thread.

>>12020198
see >>12020513


>>12020521
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