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>“We always wonder, when we see two people together, particularly when they're actually married, how these two people could have arrived at such a decision, such an act, so we tell ourselves that it's a matter of human nature, that it's very often a case of two people going together, getting together, only in order to kill themselves in time, sooner or later to kill themselves, after mutually tormenting each other for years for for decades, only to end up killing themselves anyway, people who get together even though they probably clearly perceive their future of shared torment, who join together, get married, in the teeth of all reason, who against all reason commit the natural crime of bringing children into the world who then proceed to be the unhappiest imaginable people, we have evidence of this situation wherever we look... People who get together and marry even though they can foresee their future together only as a lifelong shared martyrdom, suddenly all these people qua human beings, human beings qua ordinary people... enter into a union, into a marriage, into their annihilation, step by step down they go into the most horrible situation imaginable, annihilation by marriage, meaning annihilation mental, emotional, and physical, as we can see all around us, the whole world is full of instances confirming this... why, I may well ask myself, this senseless sealing of the bargain, we wonder about it because we have an instance of it before us, how did this instance come to be?”

how can one man be so based?

>> No.12011148

Bernhard is indeed incredibly based. To my mind he's a definite top 5 writer of the last 50 years.

>> No.12011172

>>12010956
This isn't very good

>> No.12011173

>>12011148
>top 5 writer of the past 50 years
that doesnt say very much

>> No.12011200

>>12010956
>Marriage is miserable, why do people do it?!?!
>Dude antinatalism lmao!
why does anybody care about this?

>> No.12011209

>>12010956
I've skimmed over better quotes.

>> No.12011294

>stupid fucking idiot character that can only think and communicate in self-referential fallacious fatalist platitudes with an epic commercially quotable edge is written as a stupid fucking idiot ditto
>stupid fucking idiot anon up-their-own-ass-too-but-in-a-different-way disagrees with stupid fucking idiot character
>cries about it online like a stupid fucking idiot anon
>some other stupid idiot anon npc (me) cries about /it/ as a kneejerk rection
it never ends

>> No.12011298

>>12011294
>both sides are wrong!
please fuck off

>> No.12011308

>>12011298
didn't say that, i'm saying that complaining about a character's attitude is fucking idiotic, like i would in any other case

>> No.12011324

ie i'm defending bernhard of a stupid criticism while calling myself an idiot for trying, there's no both sides are wrong argument there

>> No.12011333

>>12010956
>Just be unhappy dude lmao!

>> No.12011348

>>12011308
>>12011324
Bernhard himself was a huge misanthropic pessimist with antinatalist leanings, and all of his novels (that I've read) have stand-in "characters" that share those same beliefs and spew them for hundreds of pages. But people rush in and defend Bernhard because "its irony!" or "the novels are about the thinking process, not the characters!" Its awful.

>> No.12011354
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12011354

>>12011348
k i was wrong then i concede have a good day

>> No.12011358

>>12011354
okay you too

>> No.12011371

>>12011294
op here. I like bernhard

>> No.12011387

>>12011371
Hmm, do you disagree with him: >>12011348

>> No.12011388

>>12011371
k sorry i thought wrong have a good day
pretend there's a frog attached doing the click thumb thing

>> No.12011434

>>12010956
So his argument is marriage is bad because it makes people unhappy. It seems like he doesn't understand that people marry for the wrong reasons, that there are MANY happy marriages that have lasted for years, and that there is always bound to be unhappiness in life. This guy sounds like a big fucking hack to me.

>> No.12011508

>I HATE AUSTRIA
>AND MYSELF
>BUT AUSTRIA MORE
>MUCH MORE
>AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH I HATE AUSTRIAAAA
Bravo Bernhard

>> No.12012082

Bumping

>> No.12012094

>>12010956
This is as deep as a puddle of urine.

>> No.12012624

>>12011348
>all of his novels (that I've read) have stand-in "characters" that share those same beliefs and spew them for hundreds of pages
desu if I wrote books I'd do this too. Does that make me a faggot? As long as I don't make it too obvious or boring, it's alright, right?

>> No.12012712

>>12012094
It's deeper than your post.

>> No.12012875

Bump

>> No.12013046

>>12011434
you are an idiot if you say he doesnt understand that...why would you assume he can't if you can?

>> No.12013358

Can't stand his writing style. Says next to nothing in the end, too.

>> No.12013387

>>12012624
>it's alright, right?
maybe. if you can make it funny then sure.

>> No.12014543

Buump

>> No.12014563

>>12011172
/thread

>> No.12014706

Thomas Bernhard? More like dumbass blowhard amirite

>> No.12014727

I guess some of the people in this thread have never met a couple who have no reason being one. Unfortunately, I am the product of such a couple and there isn't a day that goes by where I am not baffled that my parents thought it would be a good idea to be married.

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>>12010956

See:

>>12013311

>The awesome realization that personhood is superfluous and that everyone converges in the same plenitude of awareness is as easy to know and to reconcile with one's Self as it is hard to bare and to reconcile with the ostensibly Other. Thus a bilateral affirmation of triviality, culminating in romantic love, is undertaken in order to imply any essential difference or separation.