/lit/ - Literature

First for fuck latex fags and their threads

>>11998990

I recently realized that I actually do not know that much good horror. Lovecraft is alright but his prose is shit. Aickman is cool so is Laird Barron and some other weird fiction authors.
But I can't think of many 'classic horror' writers. There's King but he sucks 99% of the time.

Sorry to ask this boring ass question I haven't visited here in eons, but any good Fantasy books that came out this year? And by good I mean reaaal good, if that's even possible.

Last time I touched a book was when Oathbringer came out and that garbage made me lose interest in books for almost a year now.

>>11998944
>that pic
i'm scared. hiding thread.

>no first law series
Faggots

>>11999028
Priest of Bones
It's basically fantasy Peaky Blinders, a little too much even. You can clearly see at times it goes way past just being influenced by the show and directly borrows from it. If that doesn't bother you it's a great book.

>>11998944
>>11999039
You think her cunny is tight?

>>11999045
>reading The First Law

>>11999045
800 words to describe Glokta going down stairs

EIGHT HUNDRED

>>11999015
'The Private Memoirs and Confessions of a Justified Sinner: Written by Himself: With a detail of curious traditionary facts and other evidence by the editor' does a pretty good job of this. The first chunk of the book may seem a little boring to you at first, but as you read and get engrossed in Roberts story, it starts to get pretty haunting.
Ray Bradbury had a short about an apple tree that was rather spooky.
Solaris is quite horrifying, in it's own way.
UBIK is a book I found quite troubling, once I got past the deflection at the start with standard PKD craze.
One book by Heinlein that I found underrated (other than have space suit) was 'The Unpleasant Profession of Jonathan Hoag.'
I understand that none of these are likely to be what you want, but that's the only good horror I know.

>>11999056
How does the man broken on the rack go down the stairs?
Slowly.

Ey lads, it's your favourite grim derp writer Marky Mark here.
Check out my recently posted review of Book of the New Sun
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/324743578

>>11999068
Or very fast.

>>11999045
>first law
It's up there together with Mistborn and Kingkiller when it comes to identifying absolute plebs.

>>11999074
Ur a cheeky bugger.

>>11999078

>>11999069
How did he score it? I don't want to read his review and get spoiled as I'm still on book 3.

>>11999089
You can tip that fedora all you want, the man is right.

This scene in Three Body is kind of funny. They amass an army of 30 million men in the virtual world and make them enact a computer calculation by lifting certain colored flags. So specific parts of that army are referred to as CPU / motherboard etc.

>>11999091
>How did he score it?
He didn't.

>>11999091
You can go ahead and read it, he only reviewed Shadow of the Torturer and he didn't score it. Just talked about what he liked and disliked.

>>11999094
Oh and when some people in the army fuck up the simple task of lifting the flags they say that a certain part has gone faulty and it needs to be repaired. So the king sends horsemen there and has the people who messed up executed.

>>11999092
Shut up, try hard pseud.

>>11999118
>pseud
tips fedora

Thanks for the anon who gave me the Vorkosigan rec. The series was fantastic up until a point. Couldn't be bothered to go on reading after the books turned into full on romance but the prior books were great.

Give me some more space opera recommendations please. Hopefully something in the same vein as Vorkosigan.

>>11998984
When does it get good?

>>11999135
It doesn't. we got meme'd. Frankenstein should have won.

>>11999141
Hasn't everyone read Frankenstein by now?

>>11999144
I haven't desu and it would matched the theme of the month. But then again, even Amber and City would have been better than Rigante.

>>11999052
this is a man

>>11999124
>animu poster
I knew it.

>>11999151
Let's hope next month will be better.

>>11999154
I am not sure but that choker is worrying.

>>11999163
I am just trying to communicate on your level anon.

>>11999167
You cannot fathom my level, degenerate weeb.

>>11999176
>You cannot fathom my level, degenerate weeb.
Again - tips fedora.

>>11998944
got a book that can be read as great fantasy and maybe something more:
here is half the book in english: http://www.rodon.org/andreev/trotw.htm
full book: http://rozamira.org/rm/htm/index.html
1 page shortest description: http://www.rodon.org/brief
2 last links are in russuan but they autotranslate well, especially book itself

the smaller part of that book are called "books" in these links, but they are actually more like big chapters with few subchapters each

the parts that can be read as fantasy are books 3-12, with books 3-5 being worldbuilding, books 6-12 being actual story or collection of stories

it's like DnD or Warhammer fluff but more consistent and sometimes more epic

What are some books where the plot was so well thought out and thorough with little to no filler that it wowed you?

Is Nick Land's horror fiction good? The thought of a cyber-Lovecraft sounds really enticing.

>>11999422
Everything about him reads like a world class bullshitter.

>>11999069
I find myself agreeing with Meme Lawrence. I was thoroughly committed to Book of the Nu Sun during the first 1/3 but once Severian becomes a journeyman -- and particularly when he enters the garden area -- I lost a great deal of interest. The early parts of the book had me racing but my reading slowed to crawl and hasn't really recovered since. I am currently early into Sword and hoping it picks up. I didn't really enjoy Claw, but I do love Wolfe's imaginative prose. His craftsmanship alone is reason to read Book of the Nu Sun if you're looking to improve your own.

>>12000000
ghey

Did the anons from the last thread convert to the superior faith yet? My missionaries haven't returned to the compound and I'm starting to worry. I hope those two fine young men are alright.

>>12000052
Well, even outside of land, is there such a thing as Lovecraftian cyber-horror?

>>12000097
Not a book but maybe System Shock?

>>11999015
Ligotti, Cardin, the list goes on

I haven't been able to enjoy a sci fi book since Blindsight. Anyone have a cure for this condition?

>>12000128
The trick is to take a break from it and read something else (or do a different hobby altogether for a while). After you come back to it everything will be more fun again.

>>12000097
I don't think so. I have tried a lot of Lovecraft inspired authors and while some of them were more technically oriented none of them ever approached cyberpunk.
The closes thing is the Laundry series by Charless Stross (and even then just the first two or three books before the quality takes a nose dive).
If you haven't read Stross before you can check out his Lovecraft inspired short story The Colder War here:
http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/colderwar.htm..

>>12000144
nice link

>>12000000

>>11999045

nealfaggots get ITT, are we hype?
https://www.harpercollins.com/9780062887467/fall-or-dodge-in-hell/

I love this series.

>>12000642
Based waifu

>>12000418
I like the premise. Will give it a try

>>12000642

>>12000066
Sword is the least aimless book in the series (save for Urth)

>>11999069
What a colossal pleb

>>11999045
First Law is a really lazy series. I resent the way Abercrombie cockteases you with somewhat interesting characters and then just wastes your time with dull, predictable events and "twists". He is the M Night Shyamalan of fantasy.

can someone help me find the audiobook to this ? i heard its really good

>>12001060
>woman author
>young adult
>lgbt
you can't be serious m8

>>11998944
Redpill me on Patrick Rothfuss

>>12001072
Here you go.

>>12001072
The greatest living prose stylist and an expert lover of woman.

>>11999069
when famous writers are mental midgets ... christ almighty. There will never be another Wolfe because humanity has peaked. Even widespread abortions can't reverse mental devolution. The era of greatness is past. just one giant pleb mind whose motto shall be e plebibus unum.

Any decent fantasy books that borrow themes from Celtic myth or have a Celtic feeling?

>>12001082
deadpilled. he has a beard and can't finish his series, but I am more concerned that people actually care and that he has fans.

>>12001107
Mythago Wood, maybe

>>12001101
The only people who think somebody is great is the person himself and a small clique of people nobody respects or pays attention to then maybe that person isn't actually that great.

>>12001101
Wolfe is a mediocre writer and you're a pretentious fuck. I'm glad there's less of you in current times, can't wait for your final extinction.

>>12001080
What site is that?

>>12001213
vnreviews.blog

>>12001107
Faithful and the fallen

Literally no one is talking about House of Leaves by Mark Z. Danielewski??????

>>12001199
likewise my friend. It's just too bad that current societal mores no longer permit culling the inane or lobotomizing the aberrant. I hope you enjoy aspiring to mediocrity all the days of your wasted life.

>>12001338
>>12001199
>>12001101
You guys are complete and utter fags
Careful not to cut yourself on your own edge

>>12001344
If it's not the fantasy fags, it's crypto-weebs. If it's not crypto-weebs it's chunni anons.
You just can't fucking win.

One thing to remember about Brandon Sanderson is that he doesn't create stories, he creates mythologies.

He doesn't write stories about winning the kindom or saving the world, he writes stories about the creation of new gods and the forging of new cosmic orders.

So even though the scale of the current Stormlight books is pretty enormous/epic, it can still get MUCH bigger. I feel like he's earned enough good will that we'll just need to trust that, unlike some other Fantasy series (Wheel of Time comes to mind), Stormlight will be very well-planned and won't have 8 years of filler material in the middle.

>>12001399
That's an impressively large butt for an asian girl

>>12001399
>>12001444
Asians butting up. Winter is coming.

>>12001444
Photoshoop, angles, posture, etc.
It really is unethical.

>>12001456
Dude I'm on nofap stop posting this triggering stuff on a blue board.

>>12001463
Shieeeet I thought I was the only one here to visit /fit from time to time.
How's the nofap going? You do know it won't do anything regarding your crippling insecurity?

>>12001463
>doing nofap

low t specimen

>>12001463
>I'm on nofap
4chan masterminds have literally tricked you into cucking yourself my dude.

>>12001433

>>12001433
Oh wow, more world building.

>>12001329
>>12001115
Thanks will give them a look

>>12000827
>plot is bad
Books really do attract some pretentious twats.

Is Dragonriders of Pern good long series to get invested in? Finishing up on Malazan and I think this is the best long form series I've ever read

>>12001577
>Finishing up on Malazan and I think this is the best long form series I've ever read

Do you prefer the big bad in various series to be sympathetic or a more Morgoth type character?

>>12001614
I prefer complex, fleshed out villains. Those that you might even agree or sympathize with on some level. Hate random evilbads that are nothing but that. That's boring.

>>12001333
It's ok, has some fantastic moments but for the most part it is too gimmicky for me. It's trying way too hard.

Asked in the previous thread but got no replies so I guess I'll repost it:
I'm thinking of reading the second book in BOTNS (Claw) but it has been extremely long since I've read the first and only have vague memory it. Afraid I will just be confused as fuck, but don't wanna reread it. Can someone tell me what I definitely need to know from the first book?

>>12001648
Reread the first book, scrungus.

>>12001639
What would thoughts be on a big bad being just bad while his lieutenants are sympathetic, complex etc?

>>12001648
Don't be a tard anon.

>>12001648
Read the Wikipedia plot summary if you don't feel like rereading it.

>>12001596
Feel free to suggest a better one, twat

>>12001740
Let me look up something without sword armed dinosaurs.

>>12001767
>a fantasy series has fantastic things in it
Put down the bait and suggest a book anon

>>11998944
>>11998984

When/how are we voting on a new book? I read Gemmell and I'm curious about the next pick (and discussing Gemmell's book in a few days).

>>12001785
I really would not use fantastic. The word I am leaning towards is something along the lines of hilarious and retarded at the same.

>>12001798
When the discussion happens (on the 31st) anons will suggest books to vote on. There are some criteria to be considered, but I forget exactly and it changed when we started doing it monthly. I think usually the second place finisher from last month is automatically included and the rest from last month excluded. Then monthly reading anon posts a poll and we vote.

>>12001802(You)

>>12001822
Fine. If you are going to get that booty blasted about me laughing at a mediocre writer (at best) I can recommend you Axe Cop. It's a nice web comic written by a 5 year old choke full of armed dinosaurs.

On Yesod, is Briah the name for our galaxy or our entire universe?

>>12001848(you)

midway through Hero of Ages. ill be honest, i was regretting buying this, but the twist I just hit deserves a fucking round of applause for how many unrelated elements it tied together

>>12001577
I liked the 6 or 7 Pern books I read. There's a ton more than that ofc but i moved on to other writers.

>>12001654
I would wonder why his lieutenants continue to obey him, then.

>>12001941
Fear, Duty, Loyalty, Family, Ambition. Basically just like any officer serving under Caligula.

>>12001902
Are they long books? 27 seems obscene

>>12001959
Yeah, as long as you can answer that I wouldn't have a problem with the setup.

>>12001983
They aren't long, just regular length. This isn't a series like Malazan tho. You don't need to read all 27 to find out how it ends.

There's the original trilogy: Dragonflight, Dragonquest, and The White Dragon which is an arc. You probably won't be into the second trilogy, Harper Hall, which follows a girl becoming a bard. I sang in choir so I liked it. Then there's origin stories, side stories, more stories, more historical stuff. Some are good and some were pumped out because fans wanted to buy even more Pern.

>>12001767
Malazan has a lot of problems, but sword-armed dinosaurs isn't one of them.

>>12002153
Is there an essential guide or an image macro to figure out how to get into it?

>>12002198
Wikipedia looks decent, has some summaries:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonriders_of_Pern

I'd also search "Pern: on Goodreads. Read the ones with the most ratings is kind of a good general rule.

I've heard the Todd McCaffrey books are not great. He wanted to be a writer but for epidemic type novels so he shoehorned Pern onto his plague outbreak plots.

>been putting of reading the next WoT book for 3 months now
I'm not going to finish it am I?

>>12002246
Weird.
Yeah I know nothing about the series yet but I have learned a while ago that any series that isn't being written by it's original author anymore is dead.

>>12002266
I dropped it at book 3 myself

>>12002286
Did you finish book 3? 3-6 are the best in the series. If you hated any of them, yeah the series is probably not for you.

>>12001577
It's quite feminine, and fades out more than ends. First three might be worth a go.

>>12002292
I haven't read it since middle school

If I make magic element-based but use weird elements, would that be too much of a "magic system"

>>12000815
Good to hear, I really want the series to click with me as I love the esoteric influences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKxpwlKRQ2U
what do you think of this practice /sffg/?

>>12002266
that's a good thing my man

Has anyone here read the Cradle series by Will Wight?
Typical overrated YA trash or is it enjoyable?

>>12002356
It would be quite Sandersonian of you.

>>12001545
Nice strawman. I didn't say I have a problem with plots. I have a problem with the dreadful writing in Abercrombie's books.

>>12001848
>literally cannot even name a better series
Proof Malazan-haters are just blowhards who don't even read the genre?

>>12002568
I'm not a fan of this series, but I'd say Bakker's Second Apocalypse is better than Malazan if only because it doesn't read as a hodgepodge of a D&D game bloated beyond all reason with an even greater affinity for killing off main characters just because. The world-building is also better since it's 'deeper' as opposed to 'wider' with Malazan. All that being said though if you were to put a gun to my head and make me choose I'd rather re-read Malazan than Second Apocalypse because it isn't anywhere near as nihilistic, but I'm not a fan of either series. Second Apocalypse simply does its job better at what it's trying to do than Malazan does.

>>12002559
fuck. I just wanted to do a magic system that's accessible to normies and leaves plenty of room for imagination, but also lets me put a personal spin on it

>>12002690
Sanderson is that you?

>>12002694
fine, no magic system. I'll just make characters specialize in the the kinds of magic I want and never explain why

Question for those who have read all of Moorcock's Elric shit; what's the best order to read those? Chronological or publication date?

>>12002709
Erickson is that you?

>3 days until nanowrimo start
>only 1/2 of my outline done
>know the ending but don't know how to connect the middle to it
fantasy is hard to write because you either know the ending and you have to make a lot of shit make sense while keeping pacing up, or you have to let the ending come as it will and somehow not fuck it up and end up GRRMing out something that needs 9 more books to support it

>>12002282
Just be aware that Pern is nothing like Malazan in tone. It was written decades before grimdark. If you just want something long a friend recommended to me the Memory, Thorn, and Sorrow series

>>12001767
Nigga he said a better one, not a lamer one.

>>12002785
Google for Midpoint and Writing. There's several different ideas out there but one of them might help with your plotting

>>12002740
I've only read the original six books in publication order but I always prefer publication order

Is Burning Chrome worth buying or pirating?

>>12001080
The first excerpt makes sense in context. He was just saying that he and his mom had had that exchange before, and he knew what it meant, that his parents were about to fuck. It wasn't supposed to be an actual description of their manner of speech.

I searched my e-book for adverbs, and I did find a few turds. Ones that apply abstract qualities to speech ("said distractedly"), which make them more "tell" than "show". But most are concrete descriptors which I have no problem with. They fit the flow of the writing just fine, and none of them stood out to me when I first read the book (but I wasn't really looking out for them either).

The word "imperceptibly" appears only once, and it isn't used to describe a smile. Also it was kvothe's angry face, not smile, that what was described as having the look of a man who's killed an angel.

The criticism of it being a power fantasy and lack of character development aside from Kvothe do stand though. The rest seem like nitpicks and difference of taste.

>>12001648
You're gonna have to re-read Shadow of the Torturer. Next time maybe try sticking with what you're reading instead of getting distracted by trap hentai and shitposting.

>>12002740
Always publication order

>>12002968
Is this an either/or question or yes/no?
There are 3 great stories, 1 good one, and the rest are OK or meh. Definitely worth a read if you like cyberpunk.

>>12000642
MAGNA

>>11998944
A while ago a poster on here recommended some chinkshit, after sifting through I managed to find a series that's actually half decent and thought id post it here as its just being released on kindle;
Coiling Dragon Series by Wo Chi Xi Hong Shi(I Eat Tomato's)

It is fairly similar to Will Wights Cradle series, as the cradle series seems to be a heavily westernized revision of this series. It has a sense of scale similar or even greater than Malazan. It also has a similar amount of culture shock as Shogun, as written by a chink it comes across different.

>>12001433

Nice try, 7/10

>>12001691
Oh yeah I forgot those exist. I'll do that.

I tried reading Shadow of the Torturer ages ago and got triggered when he tortured and executed the Waifu, should I give it a second go.

>>12003653
Don't bother it's overrated trash. /sffg/ only thinks it's good because they need a thesaurus to read it which means they can brag about how intellectually satisfying it is.

>>12003653
If that was your only problem, yes.

>>12003663
Funnily enough no one does that with Patrick's work.

>>11998944
>>11999039
the movie sucked but they nailed the look on that demonic nun.

>>12002564
His writing is better than yours, which why he makes a living from it, while you shitpost on internet cartoon forums for a living.

>>12004179
>this non-argument
Good job, you're retarded.

>>12002564
What could possibly be bad about writing 25,000 words about gum sucking?!?

>>12004179
Are you fucked in the head? Imagine going to a restaurant and not being allowed to say the food is bad because a) you can't cook and b) it was cooked by someone whose job is to cook.

>>12004179
>can't criticise acting if you aren't an actor
>can't criticise directing if you aren't a director
>can't criticise food if you aren't a chef
>can't criticise this retard because I'm not retarded

>>11999028
Yea I'm having trouble getting through Oathbringer too. I was a big brandon sanderson fan when mistborn was released, but I just don't enjoy his writing anymore.

Why is there only one language in the Wheel of Time?

>tfw you will never write a short story about a mountain warrior who rides a giant snail

>>11999047
that synopsis is hilarious. straight up peaky blinders

>>12004263
There's also the old tongue but yeah I dislike the fact that every nation in the series has the same language.

>>12004190
>>12004205
>>12004225
>bro, I'm really better, the fact I don't make any money from it has nothing to do with the fact I suck!!!
If you were any good you'd money from it.

>>12004205
Restaurants that suck don't survive for longer than 2 years, and certainly don't become more profitable and popular.

>>12004287
And why did people stop using the old tongue? It doesn't seem like it's related to the new one.
It's off-putting after thousands of years. At the very least you'd expect something like the difference between Scots-English and English, or English and Old English with the Seanchan, the Chinese ones or Sea People.
Odd for a series with such pride in its world building.

>>12004304
Damn son, you must be rolling in money for being a fucking retard.

>>12004255
The problem with Sanderson, the malazan guys, etc, etc. is that their books tell you too much. They explain everything. There's no mystery or unknown, everything is explained in a neat little autistic way.

>>12004315
Agree about Sanderson, his info dumps are just plain bad writing but I wouldn't say Malazan makes the same mistake. It has it's faults but explaining too much isn't one of them.

>>12001767
>sword armed dinosaurs.
excuse me but that sounds fucking awsome, it solves the one weakness that t-rexes have and it's not like reptiles are particulary good at grabbing shit

>>12004310
>From the WoT Companion 1/2
What became known as the Old Tongue was the language spoken during the Age of Legends, though it is unknown what it was called then, if indeed it had a name. It was believed that a drift in language began some time during the Breaking of the World, but whether it began that early or not, it was well under way by the time of the Trolloc Wars. Although nobles and the educated still spoke the Old Tongue, a simpler language, much less ambiguous, had come into use among the common people. This simpler language was noted, disparagingly, as early as 250 AB; at least, that was the earliest record available. Very likely, if it existed earlier, scholars considered it beneath notice. By the Trolloc Wars it truly was very nearly a separate language. Those who spoke it alone had difficulty understanding the Old Tongue. By that time, however, many nobles and educated commoners, if not all, had apparently learned the tongue in order to communicate with the lower classes. Nothing from the time records any name separating the two; the one was apparently considered a lower-class dialect of the other.
By the time of Artur Hawkwing’s rise, the two languages were still in use, but by then had become mutually unintelligible. Nobles still spoke the Old Tongue among themselves, and more educated commoners also used it, especially on formal occasions, but in many ways it had become the second language, because everyone knew and used the speech of the commoners. Certainly books were being printed in the common tongue as early as FY 700.
In some ways the death of Artur Hawkwing’s empire was the death of the Old Tongue. Increasingly, the speech of commoners was used even by nobles. Knowledge of the Old Tongue became a sign of education, and considered a necessity among the nobles of many lands, but in truth relatively few had any real knowledge of it. The number of books printed in the Old Tongue began to decrease after FY 700. It was generally accepted that by Artur Hawkwing’s death, no more than half the books printed were in the Old Tongue, and the last book printed for general distribution in the Old Tongue was believed to have been about 200 NE, though there were occasional oddities after that time.
Every nation came to speak dialects of the same language, differing mainly in speech rhythms, accents, pronunciations, slang and the like; anyone from any nation could understand anyone from any other nation. That included Seanchan and Sharans, whose speech sounded strange but was still intelligible. Luthair Paendrag’s invasion replaced the languages of the natives in Seanchan with the language of the common people from Artur Hawkwing’s time.

>>12004270
Jousting would be the most intense thing they would ever seen.

>>12004310
>cont. 2/2
Old Tongue remained in the world among two groups. It was the language of the Ogier, which they spoke among themselves, although of course they were completely fluent in the common language as well. It was also true that many folk in the Two Rivers had the peculiar ability to understand and even speak in the Old Tongue when under stress, although they could not do so under ordinary circumstances; it was an effect of the strength of the old blood of Manetheren.

Where should I start and finish with the Legend of Drizzt? I've heard from some people that starting with the Icewind Dale trilogy is better than starting at the beginning. I've also heard that the Neverwinter series is a good stopping point.

Anyone have experience with the series and have a recommendation?
If you think it's shit, I'm looking for a sword and sorcery adventure and open to suggestions.

>>12004286
Yeah like I said it borrows heavily. The synopsis doesn't even begin to cover it.
>The MC's name is Tomas Piety(It's Tommy Shelby in PB)
>His Gang is called the Pious Men instead of Peaky Blinders
>He has a crazy/violent brother
>He has an aunt who ran the business(Aunt Polly from PB) while the gang was away during the war.
>There's an undercover barmaid

That being said, the main plot is still original even though the premise isn't and more importantly it's well executed. I liked it but ymmv especially if you can't get over the fact that it heavily rips off PB.

>>12004358
>>12004365
This would make more sense if the old tongue had any similarities with the common tongue. It's not really a big deal anyhow, just annoys me.

>>12004322
Malazan is my favorite fantasy series. I just finished book 5. I really feel like the world is dynamic and alive with so many characters. I agree that explaining too much isn't one of its faults(so far at least). I had to reread the first book just to know what was going on after getting through book two.

The thing with Oathbringer and Sanderson is that his character's are "one man armys". I know it's typical of fantasy novels to have the protagonist be heroic but god is it boring following Kaladin around. I was hoping Szeth would beat him at the end of book 2 but I guess it wasn't meant to be. They just have a "flawed but not really" feel to them.

>>12004431
>his character's are "one man armys"
Unlike Icarium and many of the other characters in Malazan...

>>12004458
Did he offend your mormon husbando, pussyboi?

>>12004431
>>12004458

Niggers please help. I read the first Malazan book and feel like I didn't really understand shit. Honestly right now I couldn't even tell you the main characters' names. Is everyone right, should I really give book 2 a chance? Why/how is it so much better after the first one?

good fantasy books without women? i hate roasties and don't want them in my fiction

>>12004508
How ugly and fat are you?

>>12004508

The Hobbit. Most of LOTR.

>>12004510
5'7 and 300lbs so pretty damn fat and ugly
>>12004512
thanks but already read tolkien as dozen times, need something new

>>12004486
It goes into so much more detail on how the world works. Like Warrens for example. In book 1 it's kind of like you're dropped straight into the world where plots are already underway.

Book two is also much easier to follow along thanks to one of the POVs being relatively simple(Coltaine) for most of the book.

>>12003288
i am the chinkshit poster and I already read CD. It was good though :). If you liked it I reccomend Warlock of the Magus world as its also very comfy, and the MC is edgier which I personally enjoy.

This place is at it's worst when discussing door stopper fantasy. The fantasy fags all start hyperventilating and throwing hissy fits when their favorite author gets mocked (and rightly so). It gets worse when fans of one series get into a bitch fight with fans of the other series and we get dozens of posts in which they extol the consistency, smell and texture of their particular brand of shit.
It get's so tiresome after a while.

>>12004521
>5'7 and 300lbs so pretty damn fat and ugly
Hit the gym fatty. Forget reading, you have far more pressing issues.

>>12004526
>In book 1 it's kind of like you're dropped straight into the world where plots are already underway.
that's a really, really bad way to begin a story, you know?

>>12004530
fuck off chad

>>12003288
also if you like these dont worry about whats released on kindle, if just google series name pdf you can usually find everything thats been translated in pdf form and read it on whatever device you want for free. Theres a onedrive that has 100s of series all split up into arcs, its really based.

>>12004530
>not reading while doing cardio at the gym
they have those stands on the bikes for a reason

>>12004521
>5'7 and 300lbs so pretty damn fat and ugly
Is that why you hate roasties?

>>12003288
last post, if you want I can upload all of coiling dragon somewhere and link it here, i made a pdf of all 22 books when I read it.

>>12004539
>Is that why you hate roasties?
no I just find them shallow and pedantic

I hate them in fiction because all they ever amount to is love interests, sexual tension and feminist wet dreams so the less of them the better

>>12004537
bitch stop walking at a pace that lets you read and start running. Audiobooks are way better for workouts anyway.

>>12004530
BASED sf/f is for losers poster

>>12004534
>fuck off chad
Come on man. You're so fat you can't see your dick when taking a shower and you get mad at me?

>>12004537
Stationary cycles and treadmills are the refuge of basedboys in gyms.
You wanna run or cycle you go out and spread your wings.
Personally I do both. Road or trail, snow or rain, it always feel great.

>>12004508
Chronicles of Amber

>>12004550
I just wish we weren't beating those couple of dead horses almost every day.

>>12004530
Wish I'd capped your breakdown when someone called you on your faggotry.

>>12004486
Most people massively prefer the 2nd over the first.
It's easier to follow and feels more focused.

Personally I preferred GotM but I don't like epic fantasy all that much, so take that with a grain of salt.
And regarding the "complexity", it's mostly just sheer quantity of names to remember. Plenty of authors have wrote far more complex stories with only a few characters and not even half the pagecount of an average Malazan book.

>>12004548
if he's 300 lbs running is going to fuck his knees
bikes are the way to go for cardio
when i run i listen to music

>>12004552
nah weather and scenery here is shit, rather cycle inside after lifting when i have extra time
i can read all of my Manly Books by my favorite testosterone packed author, branchon sandysin

>>12004568
I found GotM more difficult to read than Gravity's Rainbow, fuck that shit nigga

>>12004567
is that the soulcatcher fag?

>>12004458
As you've put it, there are many characters in Malazan that are powerful, but in the Stormlight series, it's just Kaladin. Icarium also isn't on a quest to flex his power which is what Kaladin's boils down to.

Characters in Malazan are still respectable even without a special power, like Whiskeyjack, Dujek, or Coltaine. I don't think Sanderson knows how to write a character like that.

>>12004567
Oh I am not the musclefag. You could always shit the archives.


>>12004569
>branchon sandysin
Lel

will I regret reading this?

>>12004597
yes, stay away from sanderson unless you like anime books

>>12004615
I love shounen manga desu...

>>12004597
Yes because Sanderson will lose interest or die of a heart attack before finishing the series.

>>12004615
This is a bad meme that needs to die. Sanderson is worse than any anime I've watched. His characters are the classic Western white guy cringe taken to the max.

>>12004531
It's not a story about a single character though. It's about a world and it doesn't begin and end with the main character. If you've read the book it works. At the very least it kept me invested.

>>12004622
he's 42

>>12004625
>His characters are the classic Western white guy cringe taken to the max.
explain more

>>12004615
Only book I tried by Sanderson was mistborn. Dropped it in the middle since I didn't like the anti nobility mood or theme it had. Also, I'm pretty sure he has too much of non whites in his books.

>>12004622
for all Sanderson's faults not putting out books or finishing his series isn't one of them, he's no Martin or Rothfuss

>>12004625
bruh the mc has a small pocket waifu that he's trying to impress all the time and she literally turns into a sword when he needs a weapon. He even has 1v1 sky battles with his rival. That's anime 101.

>>12004661
Please tell me you are joking.

>>12004633
>Dropped it in the middle since I didn't like the anti nobility mood or theme it had. Also, I'm pretty sure he has too much of non whites in his books.

lmao... just give up on anything not published by Castalia or Baen

>>12004597

I really liked that book. Book 2 was alright. Book 3 was long and meh. I will probably read the rest, but he's definitely going all-out with this series and I suspect it'll become the next WoT.

>>12004848
Long is an understatement for book 3. That book is ginormously bloated at almost 500k word count. It's longer than any of the WoT books which are known for being huge door stoppers themselves, hell it's longer than entire normal sized trilogies.

>>12004712
That’s why I am reading Wuxia nowadays, no cancerous leftist tropes, just cultivation and slaughtering your enemies

>>12004917
>500k word count.

>>12004937
Closer to 480k to be a little more precise but yeah....

>>12004917
There's the obvious statement of quantity vs quality here. Do you think Sanderson is growing as a writer?

>>12004953
oathbringer is by far the shittiest SA book yet so probably not

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>anon who shilled himself last thread (fuck you I love my writing)
>promised I'd post account
>can't because I didn't even touch the 1200 word script to the second story I had to add before I advertised myself

I was surprised it was just 1200 words, that sounds little, still daunting though
You're stuck with me now btw

>>12004953
def not, maybe you could have argued that it was so after Way of Kings but that's not the case any more after Oathbringer.

>>12004963
The first book slagged heavily in the middle but the ending delivered, decent overall. Gonna pick this up.

>>12004983
Also the 3-ed book will be released in 2020.

>>12004953
No, he is declining. He's out of ideas and all he has left is mechanism.

>>12004963
This is one of the series that have sat on my to read list since I first discovered this thread. One day I'll read it.

>>12004992
Didn't the author say something about it being a 4 book series?

>>12004983
The ending was a knife to the heart, twas brutal. I too enjoyed it.

>>12004963
>look this guy up
>feminist and LGBT fantasy
Nice try

Has /sffg/ ever read all of the Narnia Chronicles? When you were little or an adult?
(I'm a zoomer and it's in my high school (not underage) library and it's something to read in breaks while I keep the better stuff home)

>>12004969
Also wanted to add that right after this post I did a reading speed test and it had a Dickens fragment, what the fuck, he writes was shittier than I remembered, must have been all those kinos elevating me.

My writing is not "Dickensian" at all. Cease blog.

Does writing sound less retarded on paper than on screens? Has /sffg/ noted something like this?

>>12005046
Not sure if it's feminist but it does have lgbt elements but then again it's unfair to label it only as such.
At it's core it's a geopolitcal/economic fantasy that happens to have lgbt elements included.

>>12005008
Yep.

>>12005052
>Has /sffg/ ever read all of the Narnia Chronicles? When you were little or an adult?
Read them 14 years ago. Liked some, found some boring. The Magician's Nephew is underrated.

>>12005052
>Has /sffg/ ever read all of the Narnia Chronicles?
Repeatedly
>When you were little or an adult?
Both I guess? I started reading in the womb.

>>12005091
Magician's Nephew was absolutely the best, it was a genuinely succinct book that felt it never lingered one sentence longer over what it took.

Was it chance or did CS do something to improve with that one?

>>12005102
It might be that the book is not as connected to the "main series" and CS therefore felt that he could take more liberties with themes and style.

You ever get days where nothing is fun and you have no motivation to do anything? In that right now and I just want to get out of it. I don't even feel like masturbating, that's how bad it is. Just a week ago I was really excited to read a bunch of books. Why are the chemicals in my brain so fucking moody.

>>11998944
Is Bonnie aarons the perfect horror movie nun?

p.s. yes the nose is real

>>12005052
>Narnia
As a child and reread a couple as an adult. They still hold up. (I'm not even Christian.) Voyage of the Dawn Treader is my favorite. Lion, Witch is my least fave.
I like the Prydain books better.

>>12005138
Yes I have clinical depression sometimes

>>12005177
Do you do anything to make it go away or just wait it out

>>12005152
Jesus Christ, imagine that nose in your butthole, hnngh...

>>12005138
Yeah senpai see a psychiatrist and get you some zoloft or something
Shit did wonders for me

>>12005327
I heard SSRI kill your libido which I don't wanna deal with tbqh. Also heard scary stories of the withdrawal and side effects

Anyone read the new Kim Stanley Robinson book yet? Is it any good?

>>12005343
It didn't fuck with my libido nearly as much as the depression itself did
It does make it harder to actually cum sometimes though
And the first month or so can be kinda shitty, you feel really fatigued. And yes withdrawal is a bitch if you don't wean off it gradually.

BUT
It's far preferable to being depressed, trust me man

Shadow of the Torturer is really fucking boring.

>>12005138
Yeah, it's currently really bad with me. I'm on meds but they don't do shit except for giving me fucked up withdrawal symptoms.
My brain is seriously messed up anyway so I might just kill myself in the next few weeks.

>>12005364
>he fell for it
Mate no one here actually reads books released before 2000. We just pretend to read old shit to troll newbies

>>12005371
Speak for yourself kekposter

Recommend me some books that are about interesting aliens interacting with humans. I've just read the Zones of Thought series which I liked. The Mote in God's Eye was great too.

>>12005414
Three Body Problem

>>12005414
BotNS

>>12005414
Embassytown

Can anyone here recommend me some Internet watering hole that's all about discussing science fiction. All this talk about door stopper fantasy interspersed with unimaginative shitposting is really boring.

>>12005414
> aliens interacting with humans

>>12005414
A Darkling Sea by James L. Cambias.

>>12005435
Is this the usual China basedboy fare or has he gotten better since Perdido Street Station?

I'm sci fi newfag, finishing pic related soon, what should I get next? Are other parts any good?

Also how is Flow my tears, the policeman said? I like the premise.

>>12005497
Don't read the Rama sequels. We read Flow My Tears as a monthly reading a while ago, the general consensus was that it was good but that the parts of the ending was somewhat of an asspull. It's worth reading.

>>12005497
>what should I get next
If more of Clarke you should have started with the Odyssey (the movie is also good).
If you hanker for something different, you'll avoid all the canned responses you get that read like io9's top ten articles and try out the The Yiddish Policemen's Union by Michael Chabon.

>Are other parts any good?
Fuck no they are horrible.

>>12005497
ring world, Hyperion if have not yet. If you want more hard sci fi the Andromeda strand.

>>12005497
If you like Clarke I recommend:
2001 - sequels are pretty good too
Childhood's End
The Fountains of Paradise
The Light of Other Days
Collected Short Stories

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>>12005531
thanks everyone

>>12005441
I hate to say it, but r/printsf isn't too bad. At least check it out.

Unfortunately /sffg/ is pretty far up the ladder. Most places with better moderation are riven with Fandom garbage.

>>12005177
i don't have health insurance so i can't get meds. i've heard good and bad things about them but i'd try them if i could.

i used magic mushrooms. they've actually been shown in a british clinical study to work on depression.

>>12005414
Spiral Wars series by Joel Shepard

>>12004931
Based wuxiabro.
I ran out of fresh xianxia novels to read so I'm actually considering reading some real wuxia.

>>12005497
>Are other parts any good?
Only read the first two but enjoyed them both. Got 2061 on my shelf ready to read soon.

I also read pic related and, although not as good as 2001, was still a decent book.

Read Dune yet? Another sci-fi worth a read is 'Non-Stop' by Aldiss.

I finished the second collection of PKD's short stories.
I started Grim Company but the beginning two chapters didn't stand out at all and I got tired of how pointlessly dark it seemed right off the bat.
I am now reading Time Out of Joint by PKD.

>>12005414
overrated and shilled to death and it's a pretty obvious option but in cast you're new (and nobody else has mentioned it), I should recommend Blindsight by Peter Watts

>>12005974
>knowingly picking up a grim derp book after the fucking title tells you it's going to be edgy grim derp

I've been rereading the wheel of of time series and as soon as I get the the first book written by Sanderson, I get autistically angry. I fucking hate his writing when combined with Jordan's setting, and I hate how all of the shiteaters online praises him for his work and how they only like the last three books of the series. FUCKING NORMALFAGS REEE

>>12006047
dude seriously, you can like and recommend something without being so defensive.

>>12000128
Yes! I literally suffered from this.

Try some more hard sci-fi like Egan or Stross.
Try some more philsophical sci-fi like Ada Palmer or the one good book by Adam Roberts, The Thing Itself.
Or yeah do what >>12000135 recommended and try another hobby, like anime

I'm a fucking shill cuck and all my options will be counter-shilled but I have read Blindsight like 10 times and I have only just recently to got over it. Also read the shit out of Echopraxia a few times and you'll appreciate that while it needs the settup of Blindsight, it's superior to Blindsight itself

>>12005974
>grim company
>wtf why is this so grim?
So this is the power of /sffg/ huh

>>12006056
Jordan is just as shit, you’re just blinded by your 12 year old no friends first book nostalgia.

>>12006102
Fuck you and your shit opinions. Sanderson was a garbage pick for ending the series and he ruined a perfectly good setting with decent characters.

>>12006056
The series is practically unfinished. Why didn't you listen?

How long into botns do I need to get before things happen? Wolfe makes Abercrombie look like Road Runner.

What are your favourite fantasy civs?

>>12006155
Trojans

>>12005152
that looks shopped... it has to be...

>>12006056
I get real mad whenever I think about how the hack changed Matrim from the most complicated character in the series to a generic good guy 1d character that "banters" with other characters to show readers he's the funny guy.

Literally all the good parts of the last 3 books were pre written by RJ. The Nakomi stuff, the epilogue, Moiraine re-entry etc were handed to him on a platter and our boy Sandy still managed to fuck the rest of it into mediocrity. The part where Moiraine makes Rand brew her tea so she can have the luxury of untainted tea and teach Rand some humility at the same time was peak RJ.

>>12006225
Rand is such a pussy, glad I dropped this cuckathon.

>>12006137
I already read the books when they first came out, but I started rereading them again because I have nothing else to distract me at the moment. Just reading the beginning of The Gathering Storm makes me fucking upset. All that shit about "A STORM IS COMING" made me incredibly fucking pissed. How do you do you fuck up an introduction that badly? It's so hamfisted and lame that I had to stop reading.

I'm not sure I want to finish the series again.

>>12006069
Yeah I read everything else by Watts and enjoyed it all, but nothing had the mix of well thought out hard sci fi, philosophy, and a plot that makes you never want to put it down. I'll check out some of the other stuff you mentioned

>>12006271
The fact that Rand never demolished Cadsuanne still pisses me off. Old bitch deserved to get nailed to a fucking wall.

>>12006278
I was 17 when TGS was released, bought it as soon as possible and dropped it instantly. Finished it a while later because I'm a competitionist.

>>12006297
I was 19, and I powered through it. I think I was just happy to continue the story no matter the quality, but reading it again makes me sperg out.

>>12006290
Dark Rand literally makes her his bitch though. Too bad he wasn't around for very long, was fun while it lasted.

good?

>>12006145
Things have already happened you just don’t know it. The miraculous flambeaux, the brush running up a tree, drowning, Vodalus and grave robbing. The pelagic argosy probably sighted land when you weren’t even looking. It’s a book for the reread, honestly. I loved it the first time. Treat it more like Proust or Nabokov with crazy shit happening than Ambercrombie.

>>12006335
>Dark Rand
You mean mirror universe Rand?

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>>12004543
Ill give Warlock of the Magus a go, thanks for the rec. As for the pdf I found the whole coiling dragon as a mobi on libgen.

>>12005584
how do you not have health insurance? even if you're american they made it easier with the ACA

When does Gateway get good?

The criteria for a "science fiction masterpiece" must be pretty fucking low.

I wish normies liked magic systems.

It kind of limits how interesting you can get with magic if anything that doesn't fit the law of "It's magic, I don't got to explain shit!" ends up forgotten immediately

>>12006609
>even if you're american they made it easier with the ACA
Nobody tell him.

>>12006785
The fuck are you on about? Normies LOVE magic systems, authors like Sanderson use magic systems as the perfect excuse for everything from filling pages with infodumps to developing characters through them instead of developing them emotionally. All formulaic hacks love magic systems, saves them from having to write an actual plot or anything resembling human characters and there are an absolute shit ton books like that being written if that's what you're into.

>>12006414
>Re-read
Wish one of you mentioned this shit

>>12006829
You're stuck in a bubble anon. Normies don't even know who sanderson is, and have never seen one of his books in their lives.

Here's a list of SFF authors real normies might have heard of
>J.K. Rowling
>J.R.R. Tolkein
>C.S. Lewis
>George R.R. Martin
>Suzanne Collins
>George Orwell
>Brahm Stoker
>Mary Shelly
>Steven King

And maybe, just maybe, one of these
>H.P. Lovecraft
>Douglas Adams
>Orson Scott Card

>>12006829
This. Look at any book review fags on YouTube and they’ll always say that magic systems are the end all and be all of a fantasy series.

>>12006864
I’ll give you 3 of the top 4, most people have forgotten who the Great East Belfast writer C.S.Lewis is.
If you want to see what Borneo’s are into check your local library or r fantasy.

>>12006864
I have only been randomly recommended two authors whilst browsing used books. Patrick Rothfuss and Brandon Sanderson.

I love and hate the fantasy genre, when it's good it can be really good, but all the Sanderson/Rothfuss/Malazan/That one grimdark guy whose name I forgot/Wheel of Time/litRPG/GRRM/YA is killing it. Mieville and the Strange & Norrell woman seem to have gone into the woodwork too, leaving nothing of much interest. We need weirder shit, and a ten year moratorium on "person with sword is a badass", "look at my world building" drivel.

>>12005517
Chabon is nice, just finished a collection of his essays sperging out endearingly about the different genre fiction/comics he loved as a kid

>>12006864
Well yeah, I'm talking about fantasy normies, the kind of plebs who think Mistborn and Kingkiller are genre defining classics. They actually have an impact on what authors write since they are the target market for fantasy writers for the most part.
The opinions of the mainstream normies you're talking about don't matter and don't affect writers since fantasy books are not being written for them.

>>12006879
you're being recommended books by the kinds of people who give recommendations on sff books.

If you want to understand what real normie sff, don't get recommendations from people that are even remotely connected to geek culture. Get it from drunk party girls in uggs and tights with a frap in hand. Get it from grandparents who still refer to video games as "nintendos". Get it from rednecks who think anime is for queers.

Those are the people who decide what fantasy gets remembered, becuase they are the retards that make up the 90% of the population that you don't interact with.

>>12006915
mainstream normies are the ones that matter most anon. I'll concede that maybe times have changed thanks to "geek culture", but historically speaking the vast majority of fantasy and scifi stories that have survived for 50+ years are the ones that true normies recognized and read despite an aversion to all things "geeky"

>>12006964
They were both women

>>12006971
wow, it's almost like there are women interested in that sort of thing. That's incredible if it's true.

>>12007008
I'm confused.

>>12006879
This is what I got recommended at a used book store in the sff section.
I think the plot is that her singing is magic and that she doesn't realize that her beauty is incomparable.

I kind of want to read it to see how bad it is. Tamora Pierce give it one star on Goodreads lol.

>>12007023
>Tamora Pierce give it one star on Goodreads lol.
Must be fantastic considering how she writes. Or maybe she felt threatened someone else wrote unimaginative YA with a girl protagonist. Could be either desu.

>>12005152
She's not even a kike what the fuck?

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>>12007063
Literally who is Tamora Pierce.
And it’s probably because the author is more attractive than her

>>12007182
Yow

Has anyone done a mummy-inspired lich that stored his mortality in his canopic jars?

>>12004622
What the fuck you on about? Love him or hate him, in the time it took you to write your inane post, The Sanderman wrote four more chapters for his next book.

NEW AND SHINY

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Any book suggestions aside from Book of the New Sun with excellent prose?