/lit/ - Literature

>>11993949
there isn't any, and it's not possible.
>tfw pseuds like debord built their whole shtick on false premises
>i-it's not REAL guys. t-the spectacle! the horror! the signs have won!

>>11993949
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>>11993954
Herzog was right. The problem is that our signs are debased, not that we have signs as such.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-ymyiRXCszc

>>11993949
The Muraui tribe of Papua New Guinea. they have a population of 6,000, and yet their language contains no word for any number bigger than four, and is arranged so as to make metaphor impossible.

>>11993977
Words are signs. They have words? Then they have signs.

>>11993954
that's a pretty bad read right there anon

>>11993964
They're not debased, that's equally as wrong.

>>11993949
checkmate opie

>>11993997
t. npc

>>11993949
pretty sure the argument has been always about /how/ people relate to them, how it's becoming exponentially hard to catch up to what they pretend to veil and how the particular way in which they've been evolving for a while may be manufactured by unnatural forces (rather than/ along the natural evolution of language) which through this manufacture delimit and/ or control and/ or [whatever] society. they intended to trace back to the culprit

>>11994031
>consumption is debased
Retarded.

>>11994041
>thread is about signs and images
>he thinks im talking about the physical act of buying and selling things
you = retarded

>>11994047
>signs affirming consumption are debased
Still retarded.

>>11994054
>he thinks im critiquing the mere act of affirming consumption and not the blatantly poor and perverse quality of the images prevalent in out culture
you = autistic

>>11994065
>out
our*

>>11994065
What's a "quality" product advertisement to you?

>>11994089
the ideal advertisement would be purely informative. image of product in question + description. employing annoying jingles, sexually charge imagery, subpar or puerile art, melodrama, etc in order to sell products debases our culture partly because the quality of the images as such is bad and partly because of the conflation of buying and selling (which should be a relatively straightforward matter) with all manner of unrelated phenomena

>>11994114
So it would be okay to you if instead of the bells and whistles it has now, it had a different kind of set of bells and whistles? Wow, what a terrific insight into how to make our signs not so debased!

>>11994128
We're talking about quality. The quality of our media (in general, film, television, music )is poor, vulgar, and puerile and it debases the culture. An improvement in quality would benefit the culture. Also what part of advertisement should be purely informative did you not understand.

>>11993949
Why are we pretending Debord is still relevant?

>>11993949
Name one (1) society that has been comprised of signs and representations that did not fall.

>>11994143
holy...

>>11994114
Imagine trying to sell Apple products that literally perform WORSE than the previous year. People don't want the truth, it just hurts their lizard brains

>>11994137
It doesn't debase the culture, it gives it what it wants. Marketing is about shaping the advertisement to meet the expectations illustrated by the data. If the ads are dumb, it's because people are fucking dumb. Smarter ads will just go over their heads, it won't make them smarter.

>>11994171
catering to the whims and appetites of the masses is exactly how the culture is debased retard

>>11994171
>If the ads are dumb, it's because people are fucking dumb
This is the first thing that popped into my head when I read this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzpO-OkMMKY

>>11994173
No, more like the culture is now too intelligent for you to grasp. It knows how to cater to the moronic masses without losing itself. You can't find it because you're not a part of it.

>>11994187
>It's ok to reduce 90% of the population to cattle
>That means the smart people will rule
If only...

>>11994193
>reduce
They already were cattle, dude.

>>11994187
>you: *eating feces* ahahaha you fucking pleb you cannot appreciate this refined and exquisite poopoo
>me: ew dude, no thanks

>>11994199

>>11994199
They were good cattle when they had religion instead of shitty consumerist culture

>>11994209
That's you and all the other anti-consumerist retards who think they're clued in on shit.

>>11994213
Cattle is cattle, what makes them good or not is whether they're serving the needs of the Project or not.

>>11994219
>Nuh-uh!!
Quite an argument you have.

>>11994224
Shut up and do something productive with your life instead of ranting on about non-issues.

>>11994231
I'm not the one beating up strawmen online.

>>11994235
That makes two of us then.

>>11994219
>Cattle is cattle, what makes them good or not is whether they're serving the needs of the Project or not.

>>11994249
>I'll feel better about my pathetic self if I just attribute that ages-old philosophy to Jews who I've already dehumanized to hell and back
Fuck off.

>>11994279
>ages-old philosophy
yeah evil is very old. it's still evil tho

>>11994284
Evil is the weakling's word for power.

>>11994294
yeah, because strong people never use the word "evil", idiot

>>11994297
They never do besides when they're pandering to weaklings.

>>11994279
>>11994294

> goy mindset
> n-nazis were evil
> i mean powerful

>>11994300
ah, i see you are going through your edgy post teenage nietzsche phase. let us know when you grow out of it.

>>11994301
Nice strawman, retard.

>>11994316
See >>11994317

>>11994139
Because /lit/ doesn't read

>>11994187
>reifying "culture" into a sapient entity

where were you even going with this

>>11994339
he's just a run of the mill poptimist but with some weird nietzschean shit mixed in plus a streak of philosemitism

>>11994139
implying you shouldnt read debord before you even touch based bodylard. he's the end boss.

>>11994171
>the data. npc.jpeg(you)
which is bred by propaganda and other means besides advertisement. its not a 1:1 formula. thats what makes it dishonest and one sided in the first place.
>>11994294
deceit is also the weakling's word for power. literally spectacle. also youre both retards, actually read the book nigs

>>11994339
That wasn't the intention. Culture is people, what I meant was that the people of said culture are now too intelligent for the people here to understand what they understand.

What fucking kills me more than anything is how almost all the idiots talking about how >>11994219 is "evil" also identify as right wing. Do you think people are unequal or not? If so, what's your fucking problem with the sensible assertion that people are unequal and therefore should be treated unequally? Then they think it's a false flag because they're fucking retarded.

>>11994317
see>>11994317

> n-nazis were evil
> i mean powerful

>>11994381
Nazis were certainly "evil," but to me evil is just powerful, which means they were good.

>>11994387
Though, they weren't as "evil" as the Allies, evidently.

>>11994361
Not any one of those but there are many different kinds of inequality - many ways to recognise people as "unequal" and many certain inequalities that may or may not be desirable.