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I dont know, I just finished reading his complete works and either there's nothing there to get or Im to dumb too understand it

>>11991616
I have the same feeling. I'm readying Euthyphro but I just don't get it. "We don't know what Piety is" so what?

>>11991612
he's a genius that set the foundation for 90% of philosophy

>>11991618
The Euthyphro isn't too much about piety itself -- that's just a backdrop. It's more about how we could begin to find an answer to questions like that in the first place

>>11991695
By Zeus, Anon, you are right!

>>11991612
What's the point of NOT reading Plato?

CHECK and MATE.

>>11991722
And what does reading the Apology teach? Or Crito?

>>11991612
Street creed on lit

>>11991756
To spend that time involving yourself in more practical pursuits

>>11991616
too dumb probably

>>11991920
Opportunity cost is a fallacy. Time passes no matter what OP is doing.

>>11991618
Does god determine morality, making it subjective to whatever he wants or is it outside of god, making omnipotence kind of weird.

>>11991695
By the dog Socrates, it must be true!

>>11991766
Crito's primary subject is mans relation to the laws of the city and what responsibilities they have to each other. I forget the big subjects of the apology but its just legit great literature.

>>11992051
That's not what it's about though

>>11992078
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthyphro_dilemma

Plato's writing are exoteric, and of immense literary quality.
>By the gods, you're right, Socrates!
Yes but have you noticed when reading Plato that one forgets he's reading philosophy and enters in this trance, the literary trance, where you can imagine Socrates, sitting down on a rock and people forming a circle around, eager to hear the powerful discourses and ironies by the old man while the sun beams down behind their backs and the sophists crawl back to their caves in shame. Make no mistake, Plato was the philosopher until the late scholastics decided to prefer Aristotle. The fact that he lay down the foundations of Western Philosophy and was a writer on par with his contemporaries greek playwrights makes reading him an obligation.

>>11992111
cringe

>>11992111
Based

>>11992111
It's by the dog, dumbass

>>1199161

Haha yeah fuck the guy who basically started Western philosophy

>>11991616
nigga how you read the COMPLETE WORKS OF PLATO and walk away with this?

>>11992588
lmao, that's Thales. Plato got BTFO by every single thinker after him. you're literally a retard if you read plato or "ancient" "philosophy". if you want to read philosophy then you should get a textbook on logic, mathematics and read Analytic philosophy where the real philosophy tradition is being continued

good fucking god I hate rational egoists

you sicken me to an abnormal degree

>>11992597
ah yes there's also this movement called 'logical positivism' you may be interested in, it single-handedly solved philosophy

>>11992609
yeah buddy you can keep your "metaphysics" haha brooo what is like being lmao dude what if we're like the one in the universe haha that would be totally cool right? like dude ontology is a real science dude, imagine if like being is being in the world.... and if you think hard bout it, you realise that you can't think about unbeing or nothing because thinking about nothing is thinking about SOMETHING.... yeah i know pretty deep
By the gods, Socrates! You're right!

>>11992630
holy based

What dialogue is the one to read for Plato's theory of forms?

>>11992630
cringe

>>11992686
Phaedo and republic

>>11992686
these two (>>11992739), Parmenides, Theaetetus.

>>11991612
At the very least, it establishes an ability to closely and carefully read a text (and even this very least is incredibly important, if Gadamer has anything meaningful to say). Take Republic, for instance, the first two books have such complexity within them that—if taught in the way that Plato likely meant them to be—they'll prepare anyone to think critically about a text, idea, political speech, etc.

>>11991766
The Apology is part eulogy for Socrates, but I believe it mostly deals with Socrates's method of advancing knowledge negatively (i.e. discarding wrong beliefs). Sort of spelling out Socratic or early Platonic epistemology.

A lot of the early dialogues end with a sense of anticlimax or confusion, which is most likely intended to make the reader think more deeply about it. I've been reading the early dialogues and paying special attention to how Plato deals with opposites and cognitive dissonance. It never spells it out, but it seems Plato thinks that if there's a way to show false beliefs, there is also some way to bootstrap ourselves into actual knowledge of these things.

>>11991612
Phaedo is the apex of philosophy.

>>11991612
What's the point of breathing you intolerable faggot? Why don't you take a deep breath and figure it out for yourself.

>>11991978
>Time passes no matter what OP is doing.
Isn't that exactly what underpins opportunity cost?

>>11991695
Having read much philosophy over many years, this is unironically true. Every question raised in philosophy really finds its origins in Plato

It's enjoyable, and he informed a lot of the Canon. It will help you understand what later figures in the arts and sciences are responding to.
There are at least a few ideas in there you probably haven't been exposed to as well.

>>11991612
It's an ironic meme, reading is pleb-tier

>>11991920
>practical

bahahahah rofl