/lit/ - Literature

>>11980443
What is her argument for immigrants and Islam ruining the generation? Boomers I get, but the others seem like a bit of a stretch, and I don't even like Islam as a belief system. Genuinely curious, same with immigrants.

>>11980468
Shes a dumb thot. Islam would unironically improve American "culture"

>>11980468
Her usual shtick is that immigrants don't integrate and aren't compatible with western culture. She only addresses the symptoms and not the cause.

>>11980227
Thomas Sowell: Basic economics. Impossible to be anti-capitalist once you understand the basics.

>>11980484
Except that isn't true at all. Indian Americans are highest earning ethnic group in America.

>>11980227
The soul of man under socialism.

>>11980487
>Indian Americans are highest earning ethnic group in America.
What does earning power have to do with cultural integration?

I compiled several right wing book lists into one big list of 231 books
1/2

2/2

>>11980491
Show me an Indian immigrant in America and you are showing me someone who speaks English and pays their taxes. What do you fucking want?

>>11980510
Why are you being so hostile? Speaking English and paying taxes does not make you an American.

>>11980510
>What do you fucking want?
White ethnostate

>>11980516
What does, in fact, make you American? What is the sine qua non here?

And how am I being hostile?

>>11980487
>cherry picks a group within the larger group "immigrants"
>hey look everyone, all immigrants are good!

There's a difference between Pajeet with a degree in mechanical engineering and Abdul who sells kebab and rapes his daughter before stoning her.

>>11980525
Southern used the term "immigrants" she is the one obfuscating not me. Does Southern distinguish a Pajeet with a degree and an illegal Abdul? Her word choice does not. Otherwise she would have said illegal immigrants or migrants.

Right?

>>11980524
>What is the sine qua non here?
Being a constitutional loving person with European ancestry.

>And how am I being hostile?
You swore.

>>11980529
She's a woman, i wouldn't recommend reading her book.

>>11980529
Yeah, because immigrants in general don't integrate that well. Just because certain immigrants do, doesn't mean the group as a whole does. It's the same with immigration over here (Sweden): immigrants as a group are a huge cost, while certain groups of immigrants are a net benefit. Nobody cares about the latter groups though, if the group as a whole is negative.

Terribly spooky thread

>>11980533
>Being a constitutional loving person with European ancestry.
So blacks aren’t American?

Why is everyone discussing a shitty meme book instead of based Burke?

Immigrants are a net negative btw, Indians included. If you only look at their status on paper it doesn't seem like a problem but when you actually see what happens to an area when it experiences a major influx of Indian tech workers, you'll change your mind, trust me.

>>11980545
>literally shaking right now

>>11980443
Laura Souther is a fucking coalburner.
Shits ridiculous.

>>11980550
>So blacks aren’t American?
>I'll take what is an "African American" for $500

I'm not replying to you anymore, I feel like you're trying to derail the thread. Maybe you can start a thread on /pol/ about the subject of what makes someone X nationality.

>>11980496
>>11980497
Thank you for the list.

>>11980521
THIS

>>11980521
>wanting to move to "huwite ethnostate" under richard spencer's rule
>not wanting to take back evropa and set up white ethno continent

>>11980533
Come on man, why do you have to be like that. One of my friends is from Cameroon, he immigrated legally with his family to the US when he was 18, he recently got his citizenship and he is in dental school now. He loves America, more than anyone else I know.

Can't you both understand that Sweden allowing in 100s of thousands migrants was a bad idea while still not just blindly hating people for not being white?

I can't imagine being so full of hate, it must be a burden. I promise you it is better to just relax and take people on a case by case basis...

The american right-wing is the funniest shit, desu

>>11980587
Its only funny because the social conditions that created this viewpoint are relatively new to the rest of the developed world. Give it 30 years, you're still in the honeymoon phase with diversity. By the time you realize we're right it will be too late for you.

>>11980587
Molyneux and Southern are leafs anyway, which makes it doubly cringe when Southern holds rifles up and wears an American flag headband. Fucking LARPer.

>>11980474
submit

>>11980484
thinking pro-capitalism is an essential pillar of right wing thought

you're a fuckin bafoon

>>11980559
Lmao that was my first post, if blacks don’t and never will fit your definition of Americans than you are admitting they will never fully integrate

>>11980558
FeelsBadMan

>>11980227
De Maistre

>>11980587
An American right wing doesn't exist in any meaningful sense. Everyone is a pro-democracy shade of liberal.

>>11982422
same could be said for literally every other country

Bolano

>>11980675
Of course they'll never fully integrate, nonwhites in total will never fully integrate.

>>11982422
Unfortunately.

If the right blossoms we’ll get fragmentation’s of conservatism, then the fun begins. We get to have a somewhat progressive conservative movement which will include the renaissance of ideas like Burke’s and Rousseau’s towards a creation of a more mobile economic class within aristocratic ideals.

>>11983587
With belief in God as a guiding principle, of course

>>11980443
TrueDiltom made a review of it, reads like a meme video and has almost no substance whatsoever.
She's an activist, not a theorist, so she doesn't bring anything new to the discussion.

mcluhan desu

Scruton

>>11982422
Non-whig thought in the Anglosphere died with the Jacobites

>>11983535
>nonwhites in total will never fully integrate.
Nor do we want them to. We require only the will to remove them and the jews who let them in.

>>11980227
https://www.nationalreview.com/1999/05/non-fiction-100/

Despite closing with an essay titled: Why I'm not a Conservative, Hayek's the constitution of Liberty is absolutely a must read for any right winger.

It's exhausting and tedious at times, but incredibly thorough.

Alexis D'Toqueville is my personal favorite. As a PoliSci major, The Ancien Regime and the French Revolution is my favorite Political philosophy/science book by far.

Adam Smith can be skipped (I'm one of the very few people who can say they've read both volumes of Wealth of Nations and honestly, most of the important info could be stuffed into an hour/ two hour lecture). John Stuart Mill, anything by Dosti, C.S. Lewis, etc.

>tfw given up all hope in conservativism after getting redpilled by authors like de maistre
>the world has been moving left for more than 200 years and there seems to be no end to it
>have now retreated from politics into poetry, music, and art

Books for this feel?

>>11986311
Against the Grain - JK Huysmans

>>11980550
They aren't.

>>11982422
>An American right wing doesn't exist in any meaningful sense. Everyone is a pro-democracy shade of liberal.

It's worse than that, they're representative democrats. Most of the worst American policies could've been avoided with full-blown mob rule (at the time).

>>11986272
Wealth of Nations is just very in depth and covers all of the necessary empirical examples etc. that exist to cover. It’s a very informative work.

Tocqueville is of course, great, and Hayek is the only Austrian economist worth reading. I sure hope you are RECOMMENDING John Stuart Mill. That is a classic read, almost anything he wrote is worth reading. A very experienced logician

>>11980227

Read Burke and Smith

Steer clear of idpol

The present-day right wing is infested by identity politics

>>11986396
Ah yes, how very convenient to stay away from idpol at the exact moment when it is being effectively leveraged against the right without any meaningful pushback. Not a very fun game if everyone plays I guess

Read as little judeo-angloids as you can, noone should willingly poison his mind. Read Schmitt, de Maistre, Spengler and then figure out what other continental you might like and depart on your own journey


DO NOT READ ANGLOIDS, in fact deface their because if you happen to come unto them.


thanks

>>11986485
>Anglo
>Anglo-saxon
>Saxon
>Saxony
>Germany
Try again sweetie

>>11986516
FOOL!!, Whiggery has perverted the anglo*d race and lead them to make a deal with Judeo-mercantile people for a small explosion of glory in faustian mindset. They are not intrinsically bad(racially) but unsalvegable!!

You should realize this and fear judeo-angloid thought

>>11980516
Dude, nations are just, like, plots of dirt where people fuck and conduct commerce, haha. Check mate, Americans.

>>11986169
bump for Sir Rodge

>>11986555
STOP READING ANGLOS FOR CHRIST SAKE

>>11980443
you're an embarassment to conservatism if you think >im not like those other libturd girls is a good thinker.

>>11980443
what's the name for these types of books? Regardless of political bias I find them infuriating.

"Why X are dumb, by team Y"

Book-length clickbait?

tabloid-tier polemics?

>>11980551
its /newlit/. nobody has read burke

>Benjamin Disraeli

Sybil and Coningsby

one-nation conservatism is the best conservatism

>>11980484
>Impossible to be anti-capitalist

>>11980574
>not establishing the huwhite ethnoglobe

>>11987641
Burke is a staple

>>11983587
>towards a creation of a more mobile economic class within aristocratic ideals.
Don't get my hopes up like that anon

>>11980551
Those Indians are taking all the tech jobs so Americans can't get them. Maybe a net positive for the elites and liberals living in cities, but not for average people trying to get jobs.

>>11986435
By this logic, we should all have accepted Marx's worldview. The fact that an ideology is being used to undermine our values does not mean we should abandon our values and play by the rules set by our opponents.

If "everyone plays" according to the rules of idpol - then the leftists win, because we are all thinking like leftists.

Reading ABOUT idpol is important, but the countless books and theories that attempt to justify a superficially right-wing/conservative position on idpol grounds are cancer, pure and simple.

The modern right is trying to rewrite the history of conservatism to make it into some kind of bullshit idpol movement.

They ignore the basic fact that conservatism has always been about the acceptance of individual responsibility and the maintenance of individual freedom at all costs. It's not about sitting on your ass and talking about how good you are because you happen to belong to one identity group. Conservatism is opposed to everything idpol stands for. Lazy entitled retards are failing to see that and destroying the right from within.

>>11988639
>They ignore the basic fact that conservatism has always been about the acceptance of individual responsibility and the maintenance of individual freedom at all costs. It's not about sitting on your ass and talking about how good you are because you happen to belong to one identity group. Conservatism is opposed to everything idpol stands for. Lazy entitled retards are failing to see that and destroying the right from within.

You're clearly uneducated. For one thing, conservatism has always been about conserving existing institutions and the mores of the past. In Europe, for example, conservatism for a long time was the opponent of liberalism (what we would now call libertarianism). Furthermore, even within contemporary American conservatism there is a strong focus on conserving traditional aspects of our culture and people, there is a strong focus on communal institutions (churches, civic groups, etc.), and interdependence (the family unit, local community).

You sound like a neoliberal shill who's never read a real conservative intellectual in his life. Conservatism may be individualistic at times, but it does not solely rely on the individual. The preservation and advancement of traditional, voluntary social arrangements (and some non-voluntary social arrangements as well) is as much a part of past and contemporary conservative ideology as individualism.

You're suffering from a cognitive bias brought about mental anchoring. Go back and read the classics.

>>11988588
same

>>11980496
>>11980497
Some gems mixed in with mostly rubbish.

>>11988603
implying the average burger has the ability to get a decent tech job lol

>>11980551
>what happens to an area when it experiences a major influx of Indian tech workers, you'll change your mind, trust me.

Oh really. please elaborate

Most intelligent people are leftists, since evolutionarily it goes against your ancestors, and that's the primary trait of intelligent people. Therefore you're not gonna get any intelligent book written by a rightist, but you can still read enlightement authors and the greeks thinking the would've agreed with capitalism, some people can turn that much of their brain off. Some even believe that Joyce (spent his whole life scaping fascism and barbarism) was a right winger.
Anyway you seem retarded enough to think the *sans-culotte* had anything to do with conservatism so you're probably fine in that regard

>>11988686

Do you consider Burke a conservative? By the way you're speaking, it seems like you would consider Burke a "neoliberal shill" as well.

What about the founding fathers? Would you consider the writings of the framers of the US Constitution an important part of conservatism?

(To be clear, I am not asking whether you think they were "conservative" by the standards of their time - I am asking whether you think their ideas and writings are relevant to what we call "Conservatism")

If not, I am interested to know what texts and thinkers you would recommend for an understanding of right wing/conservative thought.

The fact that conservatism stresses the importance of traditional social arrangements does NOT mean conservatism can be construed as a form of idpol.

You're right that conservatism is not JUST about the individual. Conservatism is not a synonym for individualism by any means. But once you replace the notion of the individual with identity politics, you cannot call yourself a genuine conservative.

>>11980227
My diary desu

>>11980496
>>11980497
> holocaust revision
Dropped, i fucking hate the amount of denial that the right does in order to make their retarded ideology seem rational.

>>11986272
>Hayek
>Tocqueville
>Smith
>Mill
I came into this thread looking for support for authority, tradition, and the government as the safekeeper and regulator of people's lives, not for liberals advocating for everyone to do as they please and to ruin each others' lives free from government oversight.

>>11980227
Confucius Analects
Aquinas Summa Theologica (Part II)
Hobbes Leviathan
Burke Reflections on the Revolution in France
Hegel Philosophy of Right
Nietzsche Beyond Good and Evil; On the Genealogy of Morality
Schmitt The Concept of the Political
Oakeshott On Being Conservative; On Human Conduct
Kirk The Conservative Mind

>>11991015
Is this good enough for you?
>>11991898

>>11989877
Americans who are qualified for tech jobs are being pushed aside because H1B1 Indians and Chinese are cheaper. In every other field of work it's the same, just replace Indians with hispanics for lower level work.

>>11992030
nope. I've gone through post-grad and worked in the industry.

1. the average american rarely chooses computer science or grueling stem fields.

2. americans just don't apply for grad school where you get skills to be competitive in the silicon valley. that's why no matter which university you go to you'll see phd and masters programs filled with asians.

3. aforementioned asians end up getting high paying jobs because they /have/ the expertise, knowledge and skills that is demanded in the industry. note: all this is offered by american unviersities but americans just don't go for them.

so no, the average american isn't nearly as qualified as the asians coming here to work on h1b1 lol

>>11990955
not to be that guy but #NotAll right wingers are national socialists.

>>11980510
For them not to game the system by in which they receive government loans based on their immigrant status. Also to cease being imported into the country by way of H1B visas. Bathing regularly and not being weird perverts would be nice too.

>>11992124
1. No shit the average American doesn't go into STEM, but the fact is American STEM graduates are forced to compete with these pajeets and changs who often just go back to their home countries and don't benefit the American economy in any way. Why the fuck should Americans have to compete with foreigners for jobs in their own country?
2. Most tech jobs are not in silicone valley, yet these companies still import overseas workers over natives. These are not even especially demanding jobs - literally basically IT shit in mid-sized cities. And yes, obviously our universities are filled with Asians because our government which is controlled by multinational corporations who don't have loyalty to any one country allows them in, and like I said they usually just go home to their own countries afterwards.
3. Of course they are more qualified, because these internationalists who only care about profit saw that their Asian work-centric cultures, which were previously inward focused and not invasive, could be re-purposed to fulfill an entirely capitalistic and world-dominating mission. You take everything at face value without considering the underlying reasons for why things are. The fact is America got fucked because globalist corporations wanted to pay less and get more back and didn't give a damn about the people from the country they're supposedly based in.

>>11992334
my god. the level of self delusion here is astounding.
> American STEM graduates are forced to compete with these pajeets and changs
my dude hate to break this to you but there /are no/ American STEM graduates. the uni i graduated from had at most 5 or 10 american students in masters or phd programs out of a population of several hundreds.

>Why the fuck should Americans have to compete with foreigners for jobs in their own country?
There is no competition lol. Americans don't compete with foriegners in tech fields because americans don't even APPLY for colleges or programs that would give them the skills to be even ELIGIBLE for candidacy for these jobs. Most tech recruiters just don't encounter americans applying for tech jobs. So I don't understand what competition you're even talking about?


>obviously our universities are filled with Asians because our government which is controlled by multinational corporations who don't have loyalty to any one country allows them in, and like I said they usually just go home to their own countries afterwards.
..
what. People like you are why conservatives are considered illiterate morons because you say dumb shit like this. if you've ever in your life talked to even ONE international student you'd know how desperate each student is to stay here to
1. recover and pay back loans
2. integrate with american society and culture
3. participate in the upward mobility offered by high paying tech jobs
4. avoid the shithole conditions in their country.


most WANT to stay. your dumb h1b1 visa limits are the bottleneck. and what is with this dumb shit about universities being filled with asians because of "muh govt controlled by corps". have you checked the statistics of applications unis get for research positions, stem programs? again, americans just don't even apply. so tell me how unis are filtering americans out when they don't even get applications.


>Of course they are more qualified, because these internationalists who only care about profit saw that their Asian work-centric cultures, which were previously inward focused and not invasive, could be re-purposed to fulfill an entirely capitalistic and world-dominating mission. You take everything at face value without considering the underlying reasons for why things are. The fact is America got fucked because globalist corporations wanted to pay less and get more back and didn't give a damn about the people from the country they're supposedly based in.

my god. the level of retard in this line is mind boggling. i say this without a hint of exaggeration but what you wrote is the most illiterate, braindead thing i've come across on /lit/ since 4 years of browsing this board. I want you to speak out loud what you just wrote and try to take half a minute to reflect on whether it made any sense at all. goddamn.
The state of /lit/ these days.

>>11991903
I've read the first six on that list, and all of them (except for Nietzsche) seem like pretty decent, level-headed fellows. Nietzsche's individualist views might attract certain psychopaths and pseudo-anarchistic liberals, which is why I wouldn't put him on a pedestral.
I hope Schmitt and Oakeshott are good.

>>11980443
based ann coulterpilled

>>11992961
Unironically this.

>>11980496
>>11980497
This is all over the place, both in terms of quality and relevance to the right. I wish the kind of people who read Kevin Mcdonald, David Duke, Christopher Cantwell et al. would stop associating themselves with right wing thought, it's embarrassing.

>>11992485
this person is lying so much i can’t even believe that they thought this should be posted on a public forum
>paying back student loans
they give these people full scholarships and most of them come from wealthy families who have capital back home
>what students
a massive amount of admitted native born americans are in STEM
>most tech recruiters don’t even encounter american candidates
you should kill yourself

>>11993750
This sentiment, but actually sincerely.

"Pee pee poo poo scooby dooby" by William F. "I'm a scholar, really" Buckley jr.

"The art of the deal" by the TV show man

"Another paperback about liberals" by the host/frequent guest on Fox News

"Yet another paperback about liberals" by the hitherto unknown son of aforementioned host/guest


"I didn't ghost write this I swear" by the busy congressman who ran for president

"George Washington was actually divine" by self published home schooling mom who cited wikiepdia 19 times in 106 pages.

>>11993838
aww someone's twiggered!

>>11980227
Reminder that you cannot even be considered truly right wing unless you have read and appreciated pic related.

>>11993978
>>11993978

Oh fuck yeah... keep triggering me anon, please... oh God yes.. oh fuck dont stop triggering me with your big fat Meme, please anon, oh shit I'm gonna PTSD, oh God oh...

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>>11993996
LIBTARD STATUS: OWNED

>>11994018

Own me froggy. I'm your naughty little libtard.

>>11990955
Putting potential enemies in camps during wartime is rational, every other country did it

>>11988489
Put objects and IDs there too. Oh and phenomenology.

>>11990955
Killing kikes is rational. Germans were being moral instead - or craven.

Conservative intellectual is an oxymoron

>>11994212
I guess accelerating dementia is intelligent.

>>11994212

>>11980443
It's hilarious how fast she hit the wall.

>>11993794
>Kevin MacDonald
>Christopher Cantwell
>David Duke
One of these things is not like the other

>>11994547
Is it Kevin, because he has a 3-digit IQ? His books are still shit

>>11980484
>Capitalism
>Conservative

>>11986311
I got you, bro.

>>11988686
>neoliberal
Do you even know what that word means, and under what context it is appropriately used?

>>11993986
Where do I start with him?

Just read Joseph De Maistre and you'll never hear an original thought from that part of the political spectrum ever again.

Man I've said some fucking stupid shit on this website, probably made 5000+ posts over 10+ years, and a sarcastic list of conservative lit books is the only one of them that's ever been pruned?

You suck at being a janitor/mod. Kys and ban me so I can go to bed. Meme me hard, froggy.

>>11994663
ABSOLUTELY SEETHING!

>>11994686

Reported.

>>11990955
but holocaust denial was invented by french leftists and only very later picked up by the far right

Bump

>>11986169
his documentary on aesthetics is a fucking embarrassment.

can someone rec a better conservative thinker on contemporary aesthetics?