/lit/ - Literature

yeah that sounds retarded. ill build a piano, what a fag.

>>11983369
Go for Mutual Aid next

Anarchists need to start recommending contemporary anarchist reading instead of 150 year old barely relevant stuff. I've read Conquest of Bread and I enjoyed it, but I'm not sure I'd recommend it someone trying to be practical and not just an anarcho-theory-autist.

>>11983666
What would you recommend? >>11983584's book?

I'm definitely interested in reading more on the subject.

>>11983606
That's a good shoop friend, mind if I keep it? :^)

>>11983690
Well that's just the problem, I have no idea what to recommend. David Graeber? Anarchists always recommend old, irrelevant shit. The more modern reading has been recommended to me by "the post-left", with shit like Debord. But even that is 50 years old at this point. I've got a post-left anarchist reading list here maybe you can peruse through and pick out something interesting.

>>11983666
>contemporary anarchist

you mean like Larken Rose?

How do you stop the intellectuals from becoming leaders and creating a hierarchy around themselves in this kind of society? Why will a toilet scrubber care more in this society than the current one?

>>11983369

I am a fan of bread Santa as an anarchist myself.

bump

>>11983690
not a recommendation, because I haven't gotten to it yet, but "Anarchy Works" by Peter Gelderloos is on my list. Also "Anarchism - A Documentary History of Libertarian Ideas". I think I found these on libcom.org

Also, I disagree with >>11983666 about the relevance of Kropotkin. He discusses the principles of anarchism in a thorough yet accessible manner. He really seemed to have a finger on the pulse of the working class, and, to me, that sensibility has aged tremendously well.

>>11983369
Anarcho capitalists

>>11983717
Is this list good?

>>11983369
>his idea that someone who wanted to play the piano would first build his own struck me as a little too utopian, even by his standards.
This is more a principle or ideal than an actual requirement.

If you read his writings on practical pedagogy his position will make more sense. He believed students should have far more hands on education rather than just have facts spat at them and exams. Schools teach the results that arrived at knowledge, but not the processes that created them.

>>11983369
>I think he underestimates the human tendency towards specialization
this. The idea that he wants artists and scientists to also work in factories shows a certain amount of ignorance, as pretty much every economic model shows that an economy becomes better optimized as people become more specialized.

>>11987836
There's no harm in a more well-rounded education. Look at the Finnish education model.

>>11987836
Even if we take his position at face value, (scarcity is a meme, optimization will occur naturally and in a manner beneficial to its users) I have problems with the historical evidence for his anti-specialist claims. From my understanding of ancient history, specialists appeared immediately after the agricultural revolution, over 5,000 years ago. They certainly weren't driven by capitalism at that point, so I'm guessing it was just the way they preferred to do business.

Intuitively that makes sense to me too. If, as an post-revolution anarchist, I decide I want to make pianos, I'd rather make pianos for 5 hours a day than work in a factory making pins first. And if I'm a pin maker who wants a piano, I'd rather get a piano from the best/most experienced piano maker than produce a crude one myself.

While reading anarchists is fun and interesting, if you want a really good critical reading of capitalism there is just no substitute for Marx. There are good contemporary anarchists with contributions in varied fields though. The Invisible Committee writes good, poetic polemics and has an insurrectionary bent. David Graeber is a good economist and anthropologist and does a lot of interesting stuff challenging certain base conceptions about the origins of our economies being in bartering and a linear development of civilization. This is a good place to start for Graeber, highly recommend it: https://www.eurozine.com/change-course-human-history/

>>11983579

Lol

>>11983369

Nice. Some of his lesser-known works are cool as well, he details some axiomatic reasoning for anarchist communism and describes some general models. His prose about anarchism generally is inspiring.

Specialization isn't mutually exclusive with voluntary organization, it's one of the main aims of anarchism for any individual to be liberated in their ability to engage in whatever activity they'd like. It's up to the individual to find out how they'd go about initiating whatever endeavor they're interested in. The voluntary structures, which would be organized principally in industry through electable federations, would efficiently run society in a way that allows the individual to greatest space and access to resources to engage in their own endeavors.

Of course, if an individual decides that building a piano isn't worth his time, and would rather the federation order one to be built for them, then that would be an option.

In other words, the piano can be built both one ones own time, and through the efficiently of syndicalist federation.