/lit/ - Literature

the book of the nu sun

How long can echopraxia wait or is it worth reading straight away? I enjoyed Blindsight a lot more than i expected

>>11979615
the book of my wife's son

>tfw you read some pro-American sci-fi kino that isn't cringe-incarnate

>>11979735
Gay disco in space?

>>11979777
I said, pro-American; not pro-European.

Maelstrom from Peter Watts.

Shallan

>>11979905
>thinks disco isn't american

>>11979589
who is this fremen demon

>>11980000

>>11980011
Annabel by Sergey Gurskiy

Found a copy of ringworld at the thrift store, what do yall think

>>11979589
>(embed)

>>11980072
It's worth a read.

>>11980072
One of my very first (if not the first) scifi books. Enjoy it.

>dragon posting

>>11980226
i love colonialism-era overcoats

robert bloch > hp lovecraft

>>11980244
>robert bloch
Who?
No one can beat Lovecraft. He's the roided 300 pound gorilla of horror.

>>11980226
Post yfw Rand decided not to break the world and the Wheel, that it would be better to let the world go on so that people could continue to struggle and to love again and again, time without end.

>>11979735
Well are you going to share the title with the rest of the class?

>>11979589
>having long lose hair
It's like you want her to get stabbed and raped.

>>11980276
She's too strong of a woman for that.

>>11980268
isnt that the ending to that robot ass game

>>11980283
>implying strong women can't get raped

>>11980293
Of course they can't.

>>11979735
What a dopey face

>>11980271
The First American by Schuyler Hernstrom. Also just read another story by him that was pro-family. Conservative sci-fi and fantasy truly is the best. Fuck all this postmodern nihilistic grimderp garbage.

>>11980440
I'm glad it triggers you.

>>11980452
>hurr durr triggered
Tired old meme

>>11980471
Deal with it, nerd.

>>11980477
Ok

>>11980481
Based Trump still triggerin' dis nerd.

>>11980486
Ok

>>11980489
Only six more years anon.

>>11980508
Ok

>>11980519
Lookit dat ass. No wonder even fags are voting for Trump. Have you voted for Trump too anon?

>>11980541
Especially King Fag

>>11980543
Don't tell me Putin the Great also triggers you?
That's not good for your blood pressure anon, no joke.

>>11980567
>mfw he's still going at it

>>11980571
Son, you got triggered by a simple picture of Trump smiling and decided to shit up the thread with your faggotry.

>>11980571
You gotta take it easy man.
I'll stop triggering you if you are going to be a Negative Nancy.

>>11980585
>>11980591
Not that anon and not an American but as an impartial witness to the autism on display I can't help but notice this started with some anon calling Trump a dopey face seems to have caused a disproportionate amount of rustled jimmies in the maga camp.

>>11980226

>>11980612
>not an American
Run along now.

>>11980614
swiggity swooty commin for min's booty

>>11980612
Now you got this paki shitting up the thread.

>>11980567
>uironically praising the manlet thief
W-why?

>>11979589
>Which do prefer to read about, single combat, dogfighting, army battles, or fleet battles?
Obviously single combat. Couldn't give a shit about the rest and wouldn't mind if the writer skipped to the result and some info dump about someone winning with a cool tactic or something messing up their trap.

Why no underwater fantasy?

>>11980653
>min
Best of the trio. Nynaeve's still the best of all, tho.

>>11980665
What would be the benefits between feeling fresh for the first 10 pages?

>>11980743
Uhhh the story itself?

>>11980758
Sure but how would a story really benefit from the setting beyond "oh, this isn't another middle earth clone"?

>>11980778
>"oh, this isn't another middle earth clone"?
It would be sword & sorcery as fuck (hence why I gave that picture the incredibly funny and clever name of "shark & sorcery").

>>11980784
>sword & sorcery
Are you that s&s spaz that's been spamming this thread for the past few weeks?

>>11980830
Why does it upset you so much?

Do the Malazan books by Ian Esselmont stand up to the main series? I'm getting close to the end of the main 10 books and while I am planning on getting the other ones Erikson has written I'm wary of another "brian herbert" situation.

>>11980840
>Do the Malazan books by Ian Esselmont stand up to the main series?
No.

>>11980271
>those hands
Keep your breast men in lgbt or pol, I know pol likes their trannies.

>>11980838
Why does it upset you that I have far better taste?

>>11980845
I thought we moved past God Emperor Trump.

Giant Robots

Space Opera has been revived into a legitimate literate genre
Could this ever happen for Giant Robots?

>>11980851
>Why does it upset you that I have far better taste?
But you don't.

Guys report all the trump posts.

>>11980878
piss off

>>11980870
>But you don't.
I read Tolstoyevski and other great Ukrainian authors while you read about naked dudes swinging swords.

>>11980895
And yet you still get can't laid.

>>11980899
Who can anyone compare to the sexual tyrannosaurus like yourself?
Except maybe Conan the Librarian?

>>11980914
Exactly.

>>11980927
So why are you reading Sword&Sorcery, the refuge of the social pariahs?

>>11980701
Good taste.

power ranking
>nyn
>min
>some others
>avi
>bela
>elayne
>morgase
>every other woman in the world
>shai'tan xirself
>a significant gap
>egwene

>>11980936
Sword & Sorcery is the Tolstoyevski of fantasy.

>>11980072
Report back pls on what you thought of it

>>11980944
Bullshit.
That's Wheel of Time or Malazan.

>>11980936
By the way; Mandy was great and clearly had a healthy influence of Sword & Sorcery running through the entire film.

>>11980964
Wheel of Time and Malazan are the Transformers of fantasy.

>>11980968
I am still not sure if there was any supernatural influence in the movie or if that was just a bunch of dudes fucked up on super LSD.

>>11980972
Glass houses, stones, etc.

>>11980268
Literally evil

>>11980980
>I am still not sure if there was any supernatural influence in the movie or if that was just a bunch of dudes fucked up on super LSD.
>tfw the Tainted Knife didn't do a goddamn thing
That pissed me off. Looked like something straight out of an Elric story and not only did it not do any supernatural shit to Cage; he just straight up ignored the wound for the rest of the movie.

>>11980867
It already did

>>11980867
bionicle

>>11981001
It's a hook for the sequel. Where we get to see corrupted Cage.

>>11981113
>Where we get to see corrupted Cage.
That would be from the LSD he tasted.

>>11980261
the guy who wrote psycho you dope

Discussion:
Wheel of Time is shit and everyone who likes it is a shithead.

>>11981167
Every long series with a bunch of tomes is shit.

>>11981167
Any series that goes longer than a trilogy is automatically shit. This is universally agreed upon and is not up for discussion.

>>11981178
It depends. If every book is only like 200 pages then longer series can be fine too. But usually the long series are also like 600+ pages per book.

>>11981184
YOU'LL READ 1000 PAGES PER BOOK FOR 10 BOOKS AND YOU'LL LIKE IT
ALSO READ MY 300 PAGE """"""""""SHORT STORIES"""""""""" INBETWEEN THE BOOKS

If your story takes more pages than the Bible then your story sucks.

>>11981191
Yes sir, just tell your goons to stop intercepting me on the way to church.

>>11980867
I DIG GIANT ROBOTS

>>11981195
Actually I'll revise that since page counts can very considerably. The King James bible was around 780,000 words. If your story is longer than that then it sucks.

>tfw you'e gonna spend the next thirty years of your life reading web novels all day just like the nerds of yore who read tolkien until their books fell apart.
>tfw you realize google is using captcha to have us program their self driving cars.

>>11979589
>Which do prefer to read about, single combat, dogfighting, army battles, or fleet battles?

Single combat in xanxia, army battle in western.

>Have you ever taken a fencing/boxing/etc./martial arts class?
Yes, also various street fights/ bar fights as a security guard.

It's of zero use when writing.

>>11981201
Two of thwm jumped me a few weeks back... I told them I like to read, they asked what I was reading, I said Sanderson, who is a Mormon... I also name dropped that Scot Card was mormon too... and after some chit chat they left me alone...

I think that they believe if I read enough Sanderson I will be subverted...

Based mods did a drive by. Shot the whole thread up.

Hyped for the latest entry.

>>11981462
>Fire is green
>midnight is red
Good job tubby

>>11981473
>never heard of greek fire
>never heard of a red moon
Mass proportions is stupid though, I'll agree with you there.

>>11981485
>greek fire is green
Hello George

>>11981473
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-fC-lZUa4M

What did you graduate?

>>11981178
What about a longer storyline that has every seperate story contained in max 3 novels.
As in for each story we follow a certain character through a world and that story is contained in maximum 3 novels.
The big overarching storyline is then spread out over those novels.
Would that work better ?

>>11980665
The Scar, man

>tfw your protagonist is always some reluctant everyman Shinji-like
How the fuck do I avoid this? It happens every goddamn time.

>>11981574
Stop writing yourself

>>11981548
>China

>>11981583
That's the thing, it's not at all similar to how I act. It just always feels like it "makes the most sense."

>>11981602
Are you writing in the "heroes journey" mould or subverting it?

there is nothing to read.

Read Wuxia

>>11981820
Go used bookstore
profit

>>11981833
This

How long does it take you guys to get through an average 400~ page book? I feel so slow needing like 10 days.

>>11979642
It's different enough that as long as you roughly remember what happened in blindsight you'll be fine.

>book opens with a roman legion slaughtering a horde of goblins

>>11981930
Depends how much I like it. Could get through that in a day.

>>11981462
pleb

>>11981976
>Depends how much I like it
This. Sometimes it takes 2-3 weeks to finish a 400+ page book when I dislike it. I find a bunch of other things to do instead of reading.
And books like Daniel Black which averages around 300 pages I finish in a day.

>>11981973
Gauls?

>>11981191
I don't want to read 1000 pages of Lift was awesome because she used her awesomeness

>>11982059
...I hate Gauls. My grandfather hated them too, even before they put out his eyes.

Give me some cool enchanted items to steal for my NaNoWriMo book please thanks
No gay litrpg shit like +2 to trap detection on perception rolls, I want "shoes that make you run on air" and "axe that shoots fuckin lightning" stuff

Also is Zelazny going to haunt me if I give someone a wand that shoots lasers

I took a fencing class when I was a kid but quit because a kid who had been doing it a lot longer than me broke my arm in a sparring match.

>>11982144
That sword with two smaller swords on the handguard that can be fired like missiles

>>11982210
The first sentence of your upcoming novel?

>>11982210
Should have came back with a shield and a spear and 9999 friends and taught him how a true man fights.

>>11982233
>how a true man fights
>with a shield and a spear
you mean like a cosplayer at an anime convention

>>11981976
>400
>in a day
Fucking how. My attention is wavering after only 40 pages in a sitting.

>>11981496
Get me some lemon cakes before I piss myself.

>>11982267
Fuck off sidearmfag

>>11981973
Give name then.

>>11982296

>>11982300
>Vox Day

>>11982293
Look at all those larpers.

READ MY BOOK

>>11982423
Write good books!

>>11982423
>Mark Lawrence was born in 1966, in the United States. While he was still young, his parents moved to the United Kingdom.

>Lawrence has a degree in physics and holds a PhD in mathematics.[2]

>He is married and has four children.[3] Lawrence is the primary carer of his disabled child Celyn, and for this reason he does not travel to promote his books or attend conventions. He works as a novelist and was[4] a research scientist in the field of artificial intelligence. He has held secret level clearance with both US and UK governments.[5]

I was gonna make fun of him but now I can't.
I guess I'll make fun of his readers.

>>11982461
YUP IM PRETTY FUCKING GREAT HUH
TOO BAD SO SAD THAT THIS DWEEB >>11982440 CANNOT APPRECIATE MY GOOD STUFF

This is meta but what started the /sffg/? I feel like I've only started to see these threads within the past week. I thought /tg/ usually hosted these threads. Not complaining at all though, y'all got me to buy BotNS and it's refreshing to enjoy a book this much.

>>11982481
well if you were born within the past week that would explain it

>>11982475
Your writing suck Lawrence.
Me not making fun of it will not change that fact.

>>11982481
Go back to /tg you limp wristed fag.

>>11982481
>This is meta but what started the /sffg/?
Who knows, I've been her for two years by now and the thread were pretty well established when I joined.

>>11982494
t.

>>11982461
Did he graduate Magna Cum Laude?

i dont visit sffg for two month and actually read some book

currently reading pic related, im just getting started on the 5th book while skipping the 4th book
so far it's pretty good and enjoyable and the book aren't even that long so dont complain about it being a series

>>11982557
>book 5
you read 1 and 3 and then drop the series.

https://williamscorner.blog/2018/10/23/thrall-status/

DECEMBER 1st NIGGAS

>>11982583
book 2 was not that bad
i'll try read book 5 if i see anything weird maybe i will drop it

>>11982557
I hated the first one. The scene with the Colonel or whatever was the worst thing I've ever read.

>>11981976
When I like something I read it slower because I want to take in as much as I can and retain it

I'm thinking of reading the second book in BOTNS but it has been extremely long since I've read the first and only have vague memory it. Afraid I will just be confused as fuck, but don't wanna reread it. Can someone tell me what I definitely need to know from the first book?

>>11982481
It's been something like 4 or 5 years
kill me

>>11982737
Second book as in Claw or second book as in Sword & Citadel?

>>11982794
Claw.

>>11982724
which scene and which colonel?

Any stories with Brother-Sister marriage?

>>11982829
i know some animes but i understand that's not what you want

Is Alaister Reynolds' stuff any good or is just another meme

whats some good aesthetic magical realism like The Golem And The Jinn?

>>11982901
>The Golem And The Jinn
Why would anyone classify that book as magical realism? It's about a fucking Golem and a Djinn. What's next, calling Dresden Files magical realism?

>>11982901
>>11982943
why would anything classify as magical realism?

>>11982943
I guess if nothing else because very little of it is about the kind of epic conflicts omnipresent in most fantasy books. For the most part it's devoted to characters living ordinary lives despite fantastic circumstances

>>11982957
>>11983005
Magical realism usually refers to fantastical elements in our world, and they tend to be accepted as common knowledge (so not secret like urban fantasy).
What you're asking for I think is just small scale fantasy.

>>11982144
A magic star chart that updates in real time. It lets users move the stars around to change fate but not in any way that allows for fine control

>>11983025
are you implying the golem and the jinni doesn't take place in our world?

>>11983040
Dunno, haven't read it.

>>11983047
the cover has washington square park on it

>>11982957
Because if there's only some minor details that would make it fantasy (like in One Hundred Years of Solitude) there's no point in calling it fantasy because it have more in common with non-fantasy.

I'm starting to get worried about that my story might end up being unintentionally racist even though I'm trying to take steps to avoid it

>>11983134
Give some details

>>11983134
racism isnt real

>>11983080
So one instance of magical flying pigs in a hypothetical novel is not enough to call it outright fantasy? Come on nigga. I understand the desire to distance oneself from the usual fantasy dreck but you don't do that by slapping arbitrary labels but by not writing fantasy.

>>11983134
Is the protag singing Alabama Nigger?

Writing fantasy is fucking wild

I think I might be the first person in the world to worry about whether I have enough skill to make a meal made out of literal rocks sound delicious

>>11981218
>street fights/bar fights
>zero use when writing
I think a dose of realism would be good for the genre

>>11983134
The more steps you take to avoid it the more racist it will be.

>>11982481
The general was around since 2013/2014.....
please end my suffering

>>11982611
>being this slow
Posted about it since yesterday.

>>11983144
Stone Soup

>>11983138
MC is a white boy apprenticed to an wise and mystical asian master whose actions end up allowing the people to take back their conquered kingdom.

Admittedly, I'm trying to take a lot of steps to balance it
>The MC doesn't play some grand heroic role in the rebellion. He's a secondary character in that subplot whose biggest roles are stuff like helping a spy sneak out of the palace
>the country isn't depicted as a backwards cesspool.
>while the people do seem a bit superstitious, they tend to be reasonable assessments that are never confirmed or denied
>the asian master isn't some wise and dignified sage
>He acts like someone's jolly old grandpa and gets a kick out of the fact that white people think everything he says with a straight face is a piece of profound wisdom
>also, he points out that the reason it seems like every asian person has mystic powers is because white people set all their own mystics on fire

>>11983144
there are edible rocks in real life know that, right?

>>11983299
why bother pointing out their races at all

>>11983299
>>He acts like someone's jolly old grandpa and gets a kick out of the fact that white people think everything he says with a straight face is a piece of profound wisdom
thats a common trope.
>>11983299
>asian person has mystic powers is because white people set all their own mystics on fire
this i like. actually fun and pretty accurate.

I want to read something cool.

My favorite writers are Jack Vance, Gene Wolfe, Alfred Bester and Glenn Cook.

I don't want to read something that feels like it started as a /tg/ thread or D&D campaign.

What can you recommend?

>>11983299
Sounds like a Jackie Chan action comedy.

>>11983314
>pretty accurate.
After Constantine?

>>11983345
i was pretty much thinking this was referencing holy crusades, hanging of heretics and witch hunts. you know stuff like that. which pretty is pretty accurate in the context of " setting their own mystics on fire".

I'm writing an (I guess Urban Fantasy?) novel centered around a college dropout who gets shapeshifting powers imparted on him one night at a bar. I'm going for kind of a dark comedy vibe. Would anyone here read something like that?

>>11983299
... Are you the foodfag?
Were you going to have the asian master be some food sage early on... I remember you from last year.

>>11983301
Nothing you can eat a lot of. Even a chunk of salt is poison if it's big enough

>>11983264
The MC learns how to use magic to make just about anything edible.

I was thinking of describing roasting stones over a fire so the outside gets crispy but the insides are pale yellow and fluffy with a starchy, potato-like texture and a smoky and slightly sweet flavor like corn bread baked in a wood-fired oven

>>11983373
valens legacy already exists. its pretty bad.

>>11983355
Yeah, so after Constantine.

>>11983374
>>11983299
Never mind, this >>11983375 is flavors anon.


Hey flavors anon >>11983375 get a special/magical rock that adds flavour to the food. You could be using the matter that formed the rock millennia ago to add spice or something.

are there anything like first contact then the human go to their planet and destroy it

>>11983385
>valens legacy
Just read the blurb for the first book and it's not really close to what I had in mind. Might read this series one day though

>>11983374
>>11983393
actually, both are me. I wasn't actually asking for help on the second one, I just through it was a bizzare enough situation that I had to remark on it separately

I'm hashing out the little details of the plot now that I finally forced myself to finish all that editing.

I'm not as optimistic about this story as I was last year but I think if I'm careful it could end up getting popular in the same niche as The Alchemist or the Life of Pi

>>11983401
Enders Game

>>11983328
Zelazny's Amber
Powers' Last Call
Vurt

I don't think I've seen a request that wasn't answered with Amber.
Is this a meme?

>>11979735
t. Heinlein

>>11983457
Oh neat Amber has finally taken BotNS's role as "fits every rec request ever"

>>11983517
Zolazny is a decent writer so this is a win.

>>11983457
No i only shill when appropriate. I think it's the best high fantasy series. Action, intrigue, no padding. (Series 2 is not so good tho.)

>>11983299
Asian mentor is a shitty trope but that might just be. Someone will probably whine about the white savoir trope.

>>11983328
If you're not autistic and can enjoy short stories and novellas then check out Schuyler Hernstrom. His biggest influences are Vance, Howard and Dunsany.

>>11983836
If I am autistic, what will bother me about him

>>11982382
Give me something else with legionaries cutting through orc hordes and I'll humour you.

>>11983966
Depends on what kind of autistic you are. As I said; he only writes short stories and novellas (so far) and there's a lot of autists on here who think nothing is worth reading unless it's bloated and derivative epic fantasy and is part of a 40 book series.

>tfw Robert never leads Westeros on a crusade against the Dothraki, pissing himself laughing when they see that dothraki arrows can't pierce western armour and flee
Is there a point continuing with this series?

>>11979589
>Which do prefer to read about, single combat, dogfighting, army battles, or fleet battles?
I enjoy all four, really, as a way to get a micro and macro image of the combat. If I had to pick one it would be army battles. It keeps things varied and allows for a wide picture of things.

>Who writes the best combat scenes?
I really enjoyed Heinlein's descriptions in Starship Troopers. Abnett's stuff with Gaunt's Ghosts was really good as well.

>Have you ever taken a fencing/boxing/etc./martial arts class?
I've done classes in boxing and currently do kickboxing. I was looking into Krav Maga but there aren't any classes near me, likewise with HEMA. There is one class in my city but it's over an hour away from where I live. I would still like to try it.

>>11983836
This sounds perfect. I bought Thune on kindle.

>>11983444
Amber didn't seem like my kind of thing from the first few chapters. Vurt sounds cool.

>>11984115
>This sounds perfect. I bought Thune on kindle.
You can get ALL of his stories through Kindle Unlimited. In fact I'd say his absolute best stories are the ones NOT in Thune's Vision (even though it's still a great anthology). Mortu and Kyrus in the White City, Images of the Goddess and The First American are my favorites.

How silly does historical fiction need to become before it becomes fantasy?

Does Amber have interesting characters?
I know "interesting" is highly subjective, but sometimes people can somewhat agree on whether or not characters are a strong point of a book, right?

wtf, why did LMB ruin Vorkosigan with a stupid fucking clone trope? It was comfy to read until this point but now that the clone has shown up I'm not sure if I want to continue. Everything about it feels so forced and out of place from the other books.
Those who've read the books, should I go on or is the best of the series behind me?

This is pretty badass so far. Thanks for the rec /sffg/

>>11984199
The elevator pitch for the Amber series is that the nine brothers are Machiavellian Princes. They're scheming to get the throne or to align themselves with the right contender. (Zelazny and GRRM were friends and neighbors. I see a lot of Zelazny's influence on GoT.) Corwin the hero is less of a schemer because of spoilers and he has a conscience but still wants to take power.
It's written first person and the story doesn't fuck around with histories or his childhood it just starts with actual plot so I'm sure you'll know in two or three chapters if you like his personality or not.

>>11984426
Sounds cool, guess I'll check them out.
I'm a bit wary because recommending Amber sometimes seems like a /sffg/ meme, but Roger Zelazny winning awards and shit is not a meme, so there's that.

I'm running low on degenerate books guys. Can you recommend me some books that isn't on this chart?

>>11984590
Haven't read it , what's GRI about Let the right one in?
Tigana has rape and incest if you're intersted.

Is everyone in the Wheel of Time critically retarded?

I'm serious.

>>11984590
>>11982829
Vurt by Jeff Noon has brother-sister incest

>>11984634
Yes. The usual excuse is that all the characters are teenagers, but the actual excuse is that Jordan was a fat hack.

>>11984634
The book is set in a world controlled and dominated by women, what do you expect?

>>11984634
Everyone who reads Wheel of Time is most definitely critically retarded.

>>11984642
I was dumb when I was young, but holy fuck

>>11984646
>The most popular sff series aside from Tolkien
>everyone that enjoys it is retarded
adds up

>>11984706
It does indeed.

>>11984706
Reminder that most people on 4chan are actually on the spectrum.

What's your excuse for not reading Thronr of Glass right now?

>>11984743
I have an IQ greater than 75

>know I could do what I want to write next month in a novella's length
>know nobody reads novellas
>need to extend it by an extra 30k words or so
>no idea how
is this where romance subplots come from

>>11984706
McDonalds is the most popular restaurant in the world

>>11984752
anon, there's no guarantee your story will be read by anyone regardless of the length so you might as well write it how YOU want to write it.

>>11984377
Torn between reading Fall of Hyperion next or starting Amber
Hyperion was pretty solid, but also now I know that Simmons is a fuckin freak so I'm less inclined to see any deeper into his mind

>>11984743
I have a cock that I use somewhat regularly.

>>11984758
I write fetish porn when I write what I want to write and want people to read it
I have an opportunity to write something I know will get published and will likely get read, and that's what I'm particularly interested in

>>11984772
What type of fetish porn?

How the fuck does the economy work in Dune?
I'm not sure if I'm retarded it's just non-nonsensical. Baron Harkonnen says that due to the price of transporting all the Sardaukar they'll have to squeeze Arrakis dry, but isn't the spice the most valuable commodity in the universe? How can it cost that much? How could any transport of any armies happen? What's even the point?

>>11984787
>Sardaukar
Literally fucking useless too

>>11984631
>what's GRI about Let the right one in?
Read and find out. If I tell you it would be spoiling the entire book.

Also I read tigana already. The best and only book ggk has written.

>>11984636
Read vurt, it was shit. It can't decide if it wants to be fantasy or scifi.

>>11984775
Hypnosis fantasy stuff
I'm not even going to shoehorn it into this published story, that's how fired up I am about it

>>11984829
>he thinks the two must be separated
Cringe.

>>11984873
Did I say it must? It just read like a tranny. They don't know if they should pretend to be a boy or girl, when they are an it.

>>11984787
Weren't the Spacing Guild deliberately jacking up the prices for transport because they hated him? Also, I read that part as being an exaggeration rather than literal.

What's that recent fantasy book about a French guy in a town on the border of some massive magical forest?

Cover of the book has some black critter on it and I can't for the life of me remember what its called.

>the protagonist refuses the call to adventure

>>11984787
I stopped reading Dune after Messiah, I got mixed information from Emperor: Battle For Dune and thought there would be a neat war in it.

Plus Paul's Jihad is only talked about, never shown. How the fuck do the low population Fremen start and continue a galactic holy war with nothing but knives?

>>11985186
>the plot is the hero's journey

>>11985179
>Cover of the book has some black critter on it
Uhhhh they prefer to be called AFRICAN AMERICANS.

>>11985211
Ha. Ha. Suh funneh.

>>11984764
Fall is pretty good too, it's all shit after that though.

>>11979589
I want to rub my dinky on her pudenda.

>>11979651
>Notice this short sexy little redhead at work is checking me out
>I want her
>Learn she has a ten year old son

Fuck it, I can't do it. Fuck you faggots for propagating this shitty fucking meme.

>>11980072
I liek chocolate Ringworlds

>>11981973
Soooo... Its a Warhammer book?

>>11985243

do it

>>11982382
Based Vox STILL working the s.o.y into a shoot.

>>11985251
Fuck off back to where crawled out from

>>11985262
B-b-but anon... Cuckoldery..

>>11985268
And where might that have been from may I ask?

>>11985274

4chan isnt real

>>11984634
Moiraine, Verin and Thom are all reasonably not retarded.

>>11984743
I don't fall for bait.

>>11985281
But I don' wanna be a KEK!!

>>11985274
You're getting cucked no matter what you do. Either you get cucked by a 10 year old or you get cucked by the entire population of 4chan which also mean you don't get laid.

>>11985287
anon, you are the bait...

>>11985274
>>11985290
A cuckold is the husband of an adulterous wife. In evolutionary biology, the term is also applied to males who are unwittingly investing parental effort in offspring that are not genetically their own.

By definition, you knowingly putting your resources towards raising a kid that isn't yours makes you NOT a cuckold.

>>11985293
Well... I DO want to fuck..

>>11985198
I've only watched the movie what does jihad means in Dune?

>>11985339
Uhhh... Holy war?

>>11985339
Same thing as in our world. A holy war. Just, in Dune's case, it wasn't an Islamic war.

>>11985299
I would say willingly investing your resources in a child who isn't yours might count as cuckolding as well, but this can be offset by having a child of your own with the mother. You're only truly cucked if you allow your bloodline to end for the benefit of another man.

>>11985303
Slam the mom if you want. If you stick around to play step-dad for the kid, then maybe you're a cuck, but if you're there to have fun, you're fine. The kid's really the one getting cucked here since you're taking his mom away.

>>11985339
The Fremen are literally space muslims, how the fuck did you miss that?

Speaking of Dune, you guys think the upcoming new adaptation will do it any justice?

>>11985274
Jesus my man, get a grip
Memes can't control your life

>>11985397
Upcoming adaptation?

How many are there now, I've seen the 80s movie and the shitty miniseries HBO made ages ago.

Ian McNeice made a superb Vladimir Harkonnen tho.

>>11985439
The guy who did the new Blade Runner is making a Dune adaptation

>tfw you recommend books you've never read

>>11985449
Neat, hope it doesn't go the way of Alejandro Jodorowsky's Dune.

>>11985461
>tfw you shit on books you've never read

>>11985461
Fuck you Amber anon.

>>11982144
You should look up numenera, the point of that boardgame is finding artifacts that are clearly magical but useless.
Like a small mirror that shows a random seaside somewhere in the world.

>>11984636
Vurt is great. Almost done with it.

>>11982144
a sword thats also a dick and a vagina at the same time

I just finished 2312 by Kim Stanley Robinson and I fucking hated it. I now have Aurora to read before early November when I return them to the library.

Is Aurora any good at all?

>>11985618
Why didn't you like it

>>11985625
Meandering, unsatisfying climax, more a vignette than the complex stories I'm used to, really wish the qube thing had turned out more nefarious. Also, was Wahram just toad-ugly or did he have spliced toad characteristics. Also, am I crazy but was Inspector Genette not referred to by a definitive gender pronoun until the end of the book? I know it's supposed to be ambiguous, but I was wondering if anyone else pictured her as a tiny woman. This leads to my last question; was I supposed to picture the "smalls" as achondroplastic or just smaller versions of large people?

Ultimately unsatisfying, almost a chore. I like to have more to chew on at this point.

>>11985618
I loved Aurora, hated his Science in the Capital book and found the Mars stuff just mediocre. So don't prejudge and hate-read it and you might enjoy.

Any fellow ESLs here? How do you approach difficult books? This Vance book I'm trying to read has like 3 new words in each sentence I have never heard about. It gets tiring and brings me out of the book.

>>11985829
ESL here (technically 3rd), just deduce the meaning of new words based on context bro

>>11985829
Google motherfucker.

>>11985796
>I loved Aurora
Okay, I'm going off of that. Don't fuck me on this, anon... don't ever fuck me.

>>11985243
You are wise. Never take a girl with baggage (a kid).

>>11985243
Nah, don't take relationship advice from majority virgins. Take a chance before you're dead. You might be passing up an amazing ready-made family, anon.

Even if it makes you a c u c k, you're still better-off than most of us.

>>11985644
You didn't like the milf pussy being split in half by a log, in a yacht?

>>11985869
terrible advice, neck yourself

>>11985887
I don't remember that part.

>>11985524
Nice. Pollen and Nymphomation were pretty good too. Different tho, Noon doesn't like to do more of the same

Are all the books in The Heechee Saga worth reading or should I stop after Gateway?

What are some good sites or blogs to follow to find out about new books? Other than those awards I don't really know how to find the good stuff

>>11986088
Good is extremely subjective. I follow a lot of ppl on goodreads to see the popular opinion but only trust a handful of reviewers

>>11986108
Thanks for pointing out the obvious captain. So what blogs do you trust?

>>11986088
Goodreads, finding and following people with good taste is the difficult part. You can start with authors that you like and go from there.

Reddit is good for requests like, I want an x type of protagonist in a y setting with x trope. Lot more people frequent it so there's a better chance of getting the type of recs you're looking for.

Tor, to catch new releases by month and the occasional rec.

/sffg/, you can find the occasional good book here, especially older books but it's hard to get people to talk about what's good or bad about a book and this place is not exactly overrun with users.

Awards like you said are a good source too, Hugos and Nebulas might have gone to shit recently but you can check past winners and nominations. Dragon awards, Philip K. Dick award, Gemmell award and SPFBO(if you're into self pub books) are some others you can check. Awards are my go to to find good novellas and short stories.

>>11986088
I use blackgate.com

>>11986108
Which ones?

One of you need to read this and come back with a book report on how ridiculous it is. I tried to read it for a laugh, but couldn't get past the first page. If you need to an incentive to read it it's basically described as GRIMDARK MEETS SONS OF ANARCHY. So please, someone, please read this. I have to know if it manages to get even worse beyond the first page.

>>11982888

Some moderately cool ideas buried under ugly prose and deus ex machina out the arse

So like most sf desu

>>11986193
Why is it so rare for sff to have both, good writing and plot?

Brandersons plotting is good, but his writing and characters are cringe to the max.
Wolfe has good writing, but his books are mostly just masturbating about how great he is rather than entertaining the reader.

Is there no one that combines both?

>>11986188
Has anyone actually read this?

>>11986188
Is this the book with the author that writes like Hulk Hogan talks?

>>11986204
Asoiaf

>>11980867
If someone takes gundam and cleanses the anime bullshit from it, yes.

>>11986230
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27838712-the-grey-bastards
lol they love it.

>>11986306
>“Jackal ignored him, throwing his arms wide in a mock flummox. ‘The name escapes us. Anyway, he’s some inbred, overstuffed sack of shit that weds his cousins, fucks his sisters, and has small boys attach leeches to his tiny, tiny prick.’”
Oh god if that's actually in the book then this might be the worst fantasy novel ever.

>>11986314
On the plus side it did seem to trigger the s.o.y with its teenage-tier edginess.

>>11986188
>google it
>people complaining about homophobia
Guess I'll read it

>>11986013
The guy was railing supple milf pussy

>>11986362
Be sure to save the cringiest lines and post them here.

>>11986145
>this place is not exactly overrun with users
We (readers) spend our time actually reading. When you find a diamond in the rough and put it on a chart, people who don't read come in and start memeing. Why waste your time trying to convince people who don't even read that a book was entertaining?
I post my reviews to goodreads, and check here for other readers who rec books.

>>11986400
>give me materials I can meme with and pretend like I read the book without actually reading the book
Kys. Read the book or gtfo

>>11986419
Do what I say and then shut up.

>>11986326
>>>/pol/
Stay contained. We don't want your joys of "triggering" shitting up the thread

>>11986429
Are you 12? Do you feel we are your personal army / servants?

>>11986400
>Rob, this one is for you brother. You better fucking know why.
I give up.

>>11985829
Vance's vocabulary has that effect even on many native speakers. Just listen to >>11985832
Make a guess based on context and keep reading. It's no biggie if you get it wrong sometimes.

>>11986436
You're the only one shitting up this thread, queer.

>>11986455
Come on, anon. Even I (barely) made it past the dedication.

>>11984764
just finished reading fall of hyperion, really good. Beware the shrike and the tree

>>11986442
...do you want me to be 12? :3

>>11986015
That's ok, Vurt took me a moment to get used to how strange the descriptions were,in the first page it already talks about robocrusties holding up a sign asking for something, inpho beams being fired from a shadowcops eyes to scan everything around him, the dog from the robocrusty trying to bite the shadowcop and snapping it's jaws shut on thin air and getting blasted with fire as a result.
It just became really hard to wrap my brain around it in the first couple of pages.
After a while it got a bit clearer, although the lines between what is real in the story and what is vurt just start to melt together at some point.
The descriptions of incest were great, also when the gang decided to watch some pornovurts together and mandy's voice being heavy and full of want just sounded lovely.
The one thing I didn't like though was that The thing and Bridget weren't much in the novel even though they were written so interesting, but the ending was really good though regardless.

>>11986204
>but his books are mostly just masturbating about how great he is rather than entertaining the reader.
The pleb filter at work.

>>11986660
is that kind of workout worth the risk of getting paralyzed for the rest of your life?

>>11986679
yes

>>11986679
No it's the kind of workout where she shows off her ass. Here is something different, for those more safety inclined.

>>11985618
>>11985850
I hated Aurora, especially after the book turned around.

>>11986069
I have the same question.

>>11984764

Read fall of Hyperion, then think about how important Keats is to your life.

>>11986204
>but his books are mostly just masturbating about how great he is rather than entertaining the reader
On the contrary, I feel like Wolfe is masturbating how great I am. I don't need to understand every detail to get or enjoy his works but when I do notice something hidden beneath the surface it increase my enjoyment of the book tremendously. Which is also a reason why I feel like rereading his books are so rewarding.

>>11983428
ah the reddit righter

>>11986751
Patrician filter at work.

>>11986694
braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap

>>11985203
>the hero is aware of the hero's journey

>>11986785
>he still ignores it

>>11986804
>continues posting on a Estonian explosive fishing forum

>>11986804
>the villain doesn't

>>11985198
Everyone used knives in comvat, because personal sheilds made the use of projectile weapons impossible because laser gun + shield = nuke
The Fremen were hardcore warriors because they come from Arrakis, the most hostile place in the Known Universe. The Sardaukar were universally feared as badasses, but the Fremen were even more badass. They had no match, so they curbstomped their way across Human space.

reminder that severian is a pedo

>>11986931
It's horrible how jealousy makes some people act.

>>11986931
Reminder that Severian is thousands of people in one. He's most likely basically everything.

>>11985198
>>11986912
Not only were the Fremen the best warriors by Dune’s logic but I doubt they had to actually do much fighting in their jihad. It’s established that because Paul and the fremen have control of the spice they basically already have the entirety of civilization by the balls due to their reliance on the drug. I bet the highest actual point of combat was that last battle on Dune with the Shaddam’s joint forces

>>11986949
No that is not true. The Fremen were deployed far and wide, across the whole of known space. Paul's little jihad was just a dress rehearsal for the Kralizec.
The badass dumbass anon here >>11986912 is kind of right. The Sardaukar were equal to ten times their number of Landsraad forces (effectively putting all of the great houses against House Corinno ). The Fremen were even better. I think there is a passage where the good baron goes through off world shipping manifests and does not believe the Sardaukar body count that Fremen racked up. That was of course after Paul reformed them.
People also forget the reasons why Padishah Emperor involved himself with the House Atreides. One, on account of Duke Leto's popularity among the Great Houses. Second (and far more important) was that Leto with Gurney Halleck and Thufir Hawat were able to create a fighting force superior to Sarduakar in every way.
Given enough time I think that Paul would have formed the 4chan userbase into an effective fighting force, let alone a bunch of blood thirsty space Jews.

>start reading Amber
>two people talking in the same paragraph such that it's not clear who's talking
What the heck
I don't remember being annoyed with this in Lord of Light

>>11987072
I literally just started nine princes in amber after finishing Vurt today.
An anon here recommended it to me so I hope I'll like it.

>>11986819
mida perset

>>11986949
But anon, Paul's Jihad kills 61 billion people. Several planets are completely depopulated. The Fremen destroy 40 different religions and their followers..

With knives?

>>11987120
Yes nigga!
Forget the complete control over spice, complete control over the Navigators Guild and all the resources, complete control over space, the shields, the laser weaponry, the rock burners, the atomics, forget all that shit.
Every last one of them was stabbed by a knife, sometimes multiple times even.
Cuz dats how Paul rolls nigga. Hardcore.

>>11986656
That's one of the things I liked about Vurt, how Noon throws you into the story without an infodump. He draws on cyberpunk style that way, trusting that the reader can figure things out for themselves.
I agree that I wanted to know more about Bridget and the Thing but it makes sense to keep them mysterious because that's their natures.
Noon had a bunch of really great moments in Vurt. His style changed after Nymphomation and I haven't found the same satisfaction from any of his recent books unfortunately.

>>11987238
It was a fun ride, I had to get used to the half dog people fucking and them having their own tier of porn and such that shook me a bit more than the graphic descriptions of incest but at least you know that it wasn't a one sided love and she loved him as well and even kept the baby which made me feel happy for scribbles even though all of his friends are pretty much dead now and he isn't even in the real anymore.
I wish the thing got used more in the story but I guess it was supposed to be the mcguffin that the protagonist is looking for as well as the yellow feather. But even a chapter more where they interact with it would have been great, such as when he tastes a little bit of thing flesh and goes on a violent mutant vurt trip. those parts I personally found the best, and they pretty much carried the story for me at least.

Is it time for a new thread

>>11987318
It is time comrade.
Let me make a new one.

New thread fellow sufferers.

>>11987359
>>11987359
>>11987359

>>11987120
I mean the jihad doesn’t necessarily have to be a violent war. I haven’t read anything but the first Dune, so maybe that discounts my interpretation and Herbert calls me a fag in the third book. But I interpret the bloody jihad Paul sees as the violence that comes from having a new ruling class (Fremen) who see themselves not only as the spiritual superior but the physical one of the rest of the human race. They would be an oppressive and violent ruling class, not to mention the eternal chip on their shoulder as a people with a history of oppression