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>Let's design the ideal city together my good friends Adimantus and Glaucon, so we can find the purest form of Justice in it and then look for it in the man.
>Oh Socrates! Good Idea
>A philosopher must take control of a government, banish all people over 10 years old from the city and then tell all the kids a big lie so they don't question their lot in life , except if the kid has some kind of deffect, in that case we kill it.
>Oh Socrates,share with us more knowledge please!
>Ban all poetry that talk about men or gods acting badly and ban pretty much all forms of music from our republic, so our citizens don't become weak and indulgent
>Yes, Socrates that must be the only way!
>Also when a guardian gives birth to a child, we take the child from her hands and we force her to feed different kids every time when she needs to relieve her breast, that way every kid has a lot of fathers and mothers
>Oh Socrates I wish I was as intelligent as you, that city is the justest of them all! No doubt!
>Also soul is inmortal , because nothing bad that affects the soul can kill it
>Yes, that's so true! This is the best day of my life, give us more of that knowledge Socrates, please, pleaseeeeee
>Dreaming about having sex with your mother is normal

>> No.11976270

>>11976264
Very good thread, Plato is literal GARBAGE

>> No.11976274

>>11976264
>>11976270
Actual, unironic plebeians

>> No.11976290

Behold, the mindless opinion of democratic man.

>> No.11976306

>>11976264
I hate the Greeks when it comes to politics. The chapter Crito is the worst offender as it just tells you to bend over in the face of injustice because they represent your nation.

>> No.11976322

Say what you want about Socrates' particular arguments, but he staves off Glaucon's theory that probably all of you hold, that Justice is only an agreement that we should break if we can get away with it.

>> No.11976332

Nice try thrasymachus.

>> No.11976432

you would be the bronze class

>> No.11976498

>>11976432
Go back to /v/

>> No.11976507

>>11976322
>Justice is only an agreement that we should break if we can get away with

He said that a democratic man is not totally just, but that he is happy and loved by others

So his point is rubbish

>> No.11976532

>>11976264
Democracy was a mistake.

What I liked especially in The Republic is the concept of the good man only taking leadership by necessity to prevent the bad man from doing so and unleashing tyranny

>> No.11976543

>>11976507
Just do some soul math and you'll see how much more happy a man of the republic is than democratic man. The love of others will never make you as happy as a balanced soul will.

>> No.11976548

>>11976532
> I’m going to stop a tyrant by being a tyrant.
Great idea

>> No.11976557

>>11976548
>implying that all leadership is tyranny
What are ya? Some kind of anarchist.

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>>11976264
>he thinks we read Plato for Socrates literal arguments
>he thinks Plato actually believes those arguments

This is what happens when you skip intros, essays, and scholarship and think you are engaging with the text.

>> No.11976565

>>11976548
>implying a man who becomes leader only out necessity will have the soul of a tyrant
Try again

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>556c: Rulers in a democracy make their kids fond of luxury, encapsulated of effort mental or physical, too soft to stand up to pleasures or pains, and idle.
>559d: The drone is full of pleasures and desires, since he is ruled by unnecessary ones, a thrifty oligarch is ruled by his necessary desires.
>560a-561e: The democratic man is without restraint on pleasures. Most of the time idle and neglects everything. Engages in politics by leaping up and saying and doing whatever comes to his mind. No order or necessity in his life, but he calls it pleasant, free, and blessedly happy, and he follows it for as long as he lives.
>562c: The insatiable desire for freedom in a democracy is what kills it.
>563a: Teacher afraid of students and flatters them.
>563d: Sensitive citizens who, if they put the least bit of slavery upon themselves, they become angry and cannot endure it.
>564a: Extreme freedom can't be expected to lead to anything but a change to extreme slavery, whether for a private individual or for a city.

>> No.11976608

Is this bait?
Are you dumb, OP? Like, do you have legit Down syndrome?
I am pretty concerned for you, my dude. Might wanna read that book again.
If srs, please kill yourself and stop polluting this cursed planet.

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>> No.11976633

>>11976588
5 o clock wojak actually decides to read The Republic

>> No.11976730

>>11976557
>>11976565
Power tends to corrupt, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

t. Lord Acton

>> No.11976743

>>11976264
You're what people typically refer to as "unintelligent"

>> No.11976819

>>11976743
>>11976608
Those are things Socrates says in the republic, I know Its not supposed to take it literally , and that the republic itself is not the point. Its a fun and beautiful book but some of the arguments on the republic are fucking retarded. It's literature not philosophy for the most part

>> No.11977097

>>11976730
>not axiomatic
Just don't

>> No.11977131

>>11976730
No power will hold away over a soul properly governed by reason cave dweller.

>> No.11977464

>>11977131
t. peter adamson

>> No.11977700

>>11976543
Well , I would choose the life of the democratic man , less effort and pretty. much the same outcome thank you

>> No.11977708

>>11976264
By Zeus, this is indeed based!

>> No.11978053

>>11976264
How unimaginable intelligent you are Socrates. If only you could transfer your wisdom on more ignorant plebs.

>> No.11978085

>>11976264
OP: "Haha Plato/Socrates came back to the cave and they can't even see the things on the wall anymore! They became blind!"

>> No.11978097

>>11977708
By the dog of Egypt!*

>> No.11978106

>>11978097
By the goose!

>> No.11978139

>>11977700
I hope you one day venture out of the comfort of the cave anon. At least you're comfy tho

>> No.11978244

>>11978139
Some of us are not really prepared for such responsibility, the shadows are enough for me

>> No.11978406

>>11978244
If we live just lives anyways we will get another chance in the next life, let's not despair too much.

>> No.11978424

ITT: reddit and 18 year old midwits

>> No.11978435
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>>11976532
>>11976565
hey fellas, how is it going?
the tsar sucks right? just let me take control of the nation for one sec, okay?

>> No.11978482

>>11978435
I don't think plato's aristocracy was more akin to communism than democracy anon

>> No.11978529

>>11978482
Lenin was unironically the good man taking leadership when Nicholas II was being an asshole to his people. Yet the Soviets became tyrannical too in the end.

>> No.11978543

>>11978482
Lenin was unironically the 'good man' taking leadership when Nicholas II was being an asshole to his people. Yet the Soviets also became tyrannical in the end.

>> No.11978639

>>11978482
None of the Greek regimes were really democratic.

The slaves in Athens to the free men was something like 5:1

>> No.11978761

>>11978639
Democracy is just the government of the free man

>> No.11978772

>>11978761
you forgot to put that in greentext