/lit/ - Literature

>Tfw never read fiction
I think it's time that i make a new book haul.

sanderfag a hack

Dûnyain genocide best day of my life.

ill ask out of curiosity since i did in the old thread, does /sffg/ like the dark tower series?

>>11969357
There's a lot to choose from anon, what kind of fiction would you like to read.
Maybe some kind anons could recommend something.

>>11969368
Dystopian and space scifi stuff sounds interesting to me, magic and sword stuff, dragons and whatever sounds great too. I would also love a picture here and there for context and representation i guess, maybe a map of the fantasy world or something.

>>11969088
Why is it that I want to fuck passable trannies?
What is it about fucking objects that utterly failed to be a man?
There is just something about people so decimated by life that they pass their holes and dignity up to be used as someone stronger wishes.

Does anyone want to share their favourite battles?

>>11969367
yes. the original is great. the re-release and the movie novel are absolute trash.

Is Wolfe one of the greatest writers of all time, or is he hack? Is he profound or is he pretentious? Is he just another over-hyped mediocrity? He seems like a very divisive figure. Everyone loves Tolkien and Lovecraft, but no one seems to make up his mind on Wolfe.

>>11969394
There's this battle where Conan defeats muhammad's army then chases him across the desert. Can't remember the story's name, but it was pretty cool.

>>11969394
The battle in The Great Ordeal at Dagliash, when the consult drops a nuke on the armies of man

>>11969394
In the red knight series the (not)Byzantine Empire gets ambushed by the wild and it was great.

How are the Alastair Reynolds books?

>>11969375
Dystopian stuff in modern times I would recommend The Road or Roadside picnic. If you like cyberpunk which is like a kind of dystopian future sci-fi I'd suggest Neuromancer.
Im not too knowledgeable about sword and sorcery stuff but try the Hobbit or The Lord of the Rings maybe which is the only really big name that comes to mind.
The only big serious space novels that comes to mind is 2001 a Space Odyssey and if you like comedy with your space the hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams is great. There was another serious novel that was about the sun exploding or something but I can't remember the name right now.
I'm sure more experienced lit anons will have more (and possibly much better) examples to choose from, but I can only recommend what I know.
Enjoy yourself anon

>>11969436
I'm currently considering Alastair Reynolds' House of Suns, it seems to be the kind of space sutff i'm looking for. And yea i've heard of Neuromancer, which i am also considering. Thanks anon!

>>11969389
Because they're cute and remind you of girls but without the drawbacks of being crazy. They usually put enormous amount of effort to looking feminine and cute. They know exactly what men like because they used to be men and know exactly what buttons to press to lure you in.
It's also that since you are a man that you have a natural desire to dominate another weaker individual.
It all fits together at some point.

>>11969456
>without the drawbacks of being crazy.

Anon, I....

>>11969389
>>11969456
We have left all the crazy faggotry in the previous thread.
Pls keep your a lid on your social inadequacy and deviancy.

>>11969352
>Do you write sff?
Not really, I mostly daydream about having written.

>How far along are you?
I've got broad strokes for a couple SF's and one F. Outlining one in particular for NaNoWriMo.

>Are you doing NaNoWriMo next month?
SciFi is generally longer than 50k words tho, so I doubt I'll finish the first draft before the end of the month. Gonna try to get the word goal at least.

>>11969473
But GRI is a hallmark of SFFG quality.

>>11969389
Same reason some people want to fuck distorted cartoons. You're just autistic, and partially metamorphosed into the next stage of mankind.

>>11969460
At least they've been more stable on average from the ones I've met, but I will admit there are some really batshit ones out there.

>>11969473
I'm going to write a scifi novel about a future earth where everyone is gay and the globohomo society runs the world.
It will be a bestselling novel and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>11969389
You're homosexual (mentally ill), people will come up with hilarious justifications like >>11969456 but don't fool yourself

>>11969491
>I'm going to write a scifi novel about a future earth where everyone is gay and the globohomo society runs the world.
I am sorry to burst your bubble anon but that novel was already written.
It's called Forever War.

>>11969493
Sounds like you could use some nut in your butt.

>>11969484
Not any more.

>>11969479
Writing is fun though, even short stories or snippets from the life of someone in a sci-fi or fantasy setting is a good way to practice your writing.
The best advice I'd ever been given about writing is that you can't edit a blank page. Don't worry about prose or if the logic of the story isn't 100%, even if you have to skip a chapter or two in your story because you're stuck at the point where you are is fine, you can fix all that when you do the first or second rework of the story and pick up the loose ends.
But you can't edit a blank page, nobody can edit a blank page no matter how good they are of an editor and most importantly nobody can or will read a blank page.

>>11969493
But I don't like men. I like female looking things. I don't want to touch a tranny's dick. They can cut that off desu. I just want to use them and nut.

>>11969497
Damn and I finally thought I had an original story.

>>11969509
>Writing is fun though
Okay whatever you say, freak

I just finished Symphony of Ages nobully and now I want more epic-scale romance. Any suggestions?

Amidst the shitposting, I'll do an Amazon book review since nobody fucking else reads this shit:

I recently read Broken Stars (https://www.amazon.com/Broken-Stars-Universe-Fire-Book-ebook/dp/B07CZX4CQG/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1540164727&sr=1-1&keywords=broken+stars&dpID=51dqiQvUd8L&preST=_SY445_QL70_&dpSrc=srch)) which is borderline RPGshit. The premise intrigued me--humans finally launch a spaceship only to be shot down by a higher civilization and confined on Earth, furthering their technology and discovering magic. Obviously, it goes deeper than that. but you get the gist. Many of the battle scenes and descriptions are needlessly lengthy (e.g., spelling out a number instead of using numerical units, too much pedancy any time a battle takes place or a battle-related object is described, etc.) Ultimately, the few twists within the first book weren't as cliche and expected as thought and while it isn't anything amazing, it would be alright for an afternoon read.

In non-Amazonshit, I strongly suggest reading Non-Stop by Brian Aldiss.

>>11969509
That's good advice anon.
I enjoy writing, but I haven't done any creative writing since high school, and no academic writing since university. When it's my own topic, on my own volition, I psych myself out and waste time.

>>11969484
Whats the last good GRI book that’s come out? Hasn’t been a good one since The Unholy Consult

>>11969558
Heh get with the times old man, we're all reading Minecraft-inspired litRPG harem novels now. *flicks cigarette into your face*

>>11969541
>That's good advice anon.
>I enjoy writing, but I haven't done any creative writing since high school, and no academic writing since university. When it's my own topic, on my own volition, I psych myself out and waste time.

>University
You are already miles ahead of me in terms of being able to write a text that looks like it was written by a professional.
I'm an absolute beginner, and even though I have a decent grasp of the English language (as a non native) I'm most likely lagging behind some of the more educated anons here.
But I still have hope, my writing might be garbage today and maybe it won't get any better any time soon. But someday it will go from garbage to terrible and from terrible to just plain bad. Then it will go from bad to meh and from meh to ok. Maybe it will take some years after this but at some point if I put enough effort in I will go from ok to pretty good and eventually I'll go from pretty good to excellent.
I'm not too sure what comes after excellent but if I'm ever mentioned somewhere where a novel or anything I've made is seen as excellent I'd probably be pretty proud of achieving that.
The main point is to never lose hope, hope is the only thing that keeps doubt out of your mind and doubt is the most dangerous thing a man can face. Doubt can kill thoughts before you even consider them, because you doubt that you're good enough and especially so when that doubt is unwarranted since your ideas might actually be really good, but before you can consider them and make them a reality the doubt kills them and they're lost forever.

>>11969367
I read the first one and I found it boring and the prose insufferable.

>>11969352
>Do you write sff?

I have, but not recently. Too much inner conflict about what to write next

>How far along are you?

one novel down, two novels in planning, neither of which are making any progress

>Are you doing NaNoWriMo next month?

doubt it. I should be looking for a publisher, but I don't want to until I know what direction I'm headed in

>>11969669
What are your stories about anon

>>11969696
the one I'm thinking about writing right now is about a boy who goes on a journey across the british empire with an elderly chef and his grandaughter learning physically impossible cooking techniques

problem is, I don't think it will appeal to the younger readers I was intending to target.

Does everything Clarke writes suffer from the problems present in Childhood's end? This was so close yet so far from being an instant favourite of mine

>>11969720
>about a boy who goes on a journey across the british empire with an elderly chef and his grandaughter learning physically impossible cooking techniques
Yeah that does sound like some pussy ass shit.

Trying to read this. Reads like LotR - is that normal? Don't tell me it's another fucking Lotr clone

>>11969729
thought so. Maybe if I make it funny/exciting enough and make the end particularly heart-wrenching it will stick in people's heads

>>11969720
Well it depends how young, if it's for 12 years and older you can get away with a lot since that's already in teenager territory.

>Enders game
Ok, p good
>speaker of the dead
Different but good
>xenocide
Worth reading ?

>>11969743
You could have a cult classic on your hands if it's well executed.

>>11969741
>Don't tell me it's another fucking Lotr clone
Anon, I ...

>>11969743
The kid should be hunting magical monstrosities at night to render into cooking ingredients. Oh and the grand daughter should be hot.

>>11969454

neuromancer was great, one of the few books i devoured in a few days

>>11969744
I was thinking it would be aimed at 8+, but deal with some darker themes in a non-edgy way.

>>11969750
that or I could end up with Bridge to Terebethia. I suppose it depends on whether I decide to kill off the grandaughter at the end or just the chef

>>11969770
no. the monsters they come across are corrupt rich people whose humanity or inhumanity is left ambiguous

>>11969777
>no. the monsters they come across are corrupt rich people whose humanity or inhumanity is left ambiguous
Pretty boring desu senpai, but whatever makes you happy.

>>11969721

My readings of Clarke tend to create a sort of intellectual haunted house where I am allowed to perambulate through a masterful artifice that has ideas and settings pounce out at me and force me to take them in and react, but never really touching me or giving me a latching point to give any emotional reaction.

Which is weird since Childhood's End was sold to me as a tragedy.

>>11969401
Greatest ever but his late work is intentionally almost impossible to parse beneath a deceptively simple surface plot. Sorcerers house - don’t know philostratus’ life of Apollonius? You’ll never solve it. Way harder to actually get than modernists like Faulkner but too smart for his fan base. And he hides behind a turgid false banality ...

>>11969746
It's even more different, and Children follows the same pattern. If you liked the philosophical concepts and questions in the first two then keep going, if you liked them for the action then you'll probably dislike the last two.

>>11969352
>imadouchebag.mkv

>>11969741
Kay helped Tolkien Jr edit the Silmarillion. You might like Tigana or any of his later work because Kay moves away from Tolkien influences.

>>11969510
You still want to fuck someone that was a guy so you're not completely hetero.

>>11969367
I haven't read it but it comes up often enough. People say the ending it shit but Anons are never happy so ...

Need some help finding a Sci-Fi book I can't remember the name and would like to read again.


It starts off with a committee/government wanting to make a memorial project, or some kind of art project to send out into space. There is then a team or group that ends up on planet/asteroid thing. They explore it and start to improve it. A grey cube is found, it's some kind of computer/block of nano machines. They find out they are in a giant compartment of a much larger ship. The larger ship has many other compartments with different alien races. They find a way to "escape" the giant ship with some of the people, the rest stay there.


That is most of what I remember, any help finding the name of the story and/or author would be appreciated. Thank you.

>>11969426

I liked Diamond Dogs

>>11969473
Reminder that posts can be reported as Off Topic

>>11969367
The first is an intriguing experiment for King, but by the second book he's whiplashed back into his cushion of pop and he just settles in to his old formulas. Between long waits and bad books, I gave up on it some time around book 4.

>>11969978
that dolphin is literally snorting the puffer fish to get high. puffer fish toxins get them faded. (i would try it.)

>>11969978

Pushing Ice by Alistair Reynolds

>>11969352
>Do you write sff?
Writing horror comedy at the moment.
>How far along are you?
Did a couple short books, now doing some short stories in the same setting.
>Are you doing NaNoWriMo next month?
Yes, still not really sure what I'm writing, probably some kind of fantasy or cosmic horror.

>>11969394
as many problems that sanderson has, the battle at the end of way of kings is fucking great

>Book 1 of ...
Every time I see that on a book cover I immediately lose all interest.

Is there any way to save books from the Kindle Cloud Reader through Chrome as epub or mobi files? Just signed up for Kindle Unlimited for one free month and I'd like to save these free books I'm reading.

>>11971321
>prologue to [unfinished series]

>>11971321
>Game of Thrones meets-

>>11971316
Just watch some anime

garsecg did nothing wrong

>>11971321
I'm working on a sci-fi and fantasy series and I hate the book x out of x thing as well, it keeps me from reading the series due to the sheer volume (the wheel of Time comes to mind).
However what do you think about a story that does have an overarching plotline between multiple books. This plotline is not the main plot of the seperate books (they each have their own storylines) but more like a B plot and gets resolved in the last book (which would make it the main plot in that one). The B plot would be like a glue that connects the stories together but wouldn't force you to read in a certain order and you be able to piece it together no matter the order you read it in.

>>11971398
Why do they always do this.
When did this start it's awful and kind of puts the writer of the book down by comparing them to someone else.

>>11969436
Are you the guy who recommended me this?
>>11969088
>>11968889
I hope it takes you to the last thread.
I kinda wanted books that will improve my charisma,but since I didn't know where to post it I posted it there.
So are you that guy anon?

>>11971549
>When did this start
Roughly 40,000 years ago I'd say. There's nothing strange with comparing new creations with older, influential creations.

>>11971603
>I kinda wanted books that will improve my charisma,but since I didn't know where to post it I posted it there.
I have no idea what kind of books would improve your charisma, maybe a philosophy book ? I'm more of a fiction guy myself.
>So are you that guy anon?
Indeed I am

>>11971250
Has there been a discussion on what the next book should be, I want to read together with a bunch of people it sounds like fun.

>>11971660
Once we finish this book we will spend one thread discussing it and nominating books for the next month. The thread after that will be dedicated to voting on the next book and after that we're back to reading.

>>11971650
Well if its you,I like Fallout one and two,they are by far the best games in the Series.
Fallout New Vegas is cool,but its nothing like the first two.They are a masterpiece.
I just wish someone made a mod to update their graphics or something.
I fish they were made into books,to be honest.Not even the events of fallout 1 or two,just the setting is so unique.

>>11971673
Cool, I'll have to pay attention so that I don't miss the thread where you guys decide on what book it's going to be.

>>11971706
Fallout 1 and 2 are indeed wonderful, the story is so deep and fun, it just doesn't feel like it drags on even after 30+ hours of doing everything you possibly could, and even after that you wish there was more.
I think there was like a HD mod that allowed the graphics to scale to 4k and beyond, not sure if there is one that allows for better textures though.

>tfw you finally read a modern story with a setting that isn't generic epic fantasy or grimderp and the writer plans on writing even more stories in the same setting

>>11971765
>things that never happened

>That Spell naming
Fucking love it. Reminds me of Morrowind.

>>11971770
>Reminds me of Morrowind.
Should I tell him?

>>11970034
I know. That is why there is no pol in here.

>>11971770
That book was shit and I want to strangle the anon who shilled it to me.

>>11971886
Why didn't you like it?

>>11971889
Mainly doesn't digest well with the modern world. I'm sure back in the day it was probably hot shit to the horny conservative teens, but that book is utter trash now. The prose isn't even good.

Worthless book and worthless author.

>>11971886
Stick to Harry Potter, scrub.

>>11971911
>Mainly doesn't digest well with the modern world. I'm sure back in the day it was probably hot shit to the horny conservative teens, but that book is utter trash now. The prose isn't even good.

>>11971930
That photo is somehow unsettling.

>>11971603
>Charisma
The Fine Art of Small Talk
How to Be a Gentleman - Bridges
I have more recommendations but these are essential

is severian a pedo?

>>11972048
Are you?

>>11971549
I don't know when it started but the movie The Player was a breakout. Maybe it was in the book it was based on too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06Ht6-Cw0RI

>>11972082
I'm not the one screwing Dorcas

>>11972037
Throw em at me boss.

>>11971930
Why do they always make that face

>>11972170
Only someone who posts stupid shit like this >>11971911 could make a face like that.

>>11972100
You're not screwing anything probably. But no Severian is not pedo. It's more of a case of a 3000 year old dragon in a 12 year old body to explain it in terms you are most familiar with.

>>11971911
>Mainly doesn't digest well with the modern world.
I don't understand. You think it was a product of it's time that you are unable to enjoy because you lack the expectations of that time? Would you care to give a specific example?
>horny conservative teens
What?

>>11972037
Nigga you can develop a personality and your communication skills by reading about as much as you can develop your skill at any contact sport - that is to say none.
You get better at being a human being by doing it not reading about it.

>>11972182
oh okay so he's a pedo

>>11972310
Yeah sure whatever makes a better excuse for yourself.

Just read Blindsight. First hard scifi novel for me. Good stuff

>>11972324
She's consistently described as childlike

read first book in the trilogy

first part of first was ok and interesting
second part was strong independent womyn who no need no man to rule

>>11972398
she has a child

>>11969367
I read the first three or four books and gave up on it in the middle of the book I was on (3 or 4). It's a series that needs some serious editing. But if you're a King fan then you should read it.

>>11972400
The warning signs were there in Myth, Age of Swords was just a cringe compilation, I won't be touching Age of War.

>>11972407
Children can have children.

Dorcas is, like, 20ish in BotNS. Sev says she's childlike because she seems so to him.

>>11972400
third book felt a lot closer to first book, a whole lot fewer pages devoted to the female fellowship of the ring compared to book 2

Are there novels that feature Type III civilizations?

>>11972494
Impossible to take it seriously the world building in the second book was just too retarded.

Is the Broken Earth trilogy actually good? The writing style seems really annoying

>>11971889
not that anon but I didn't like it because it read like a shitty chinese webnovel that had a editor cut out all the "wang chu's eyes glowed with killing intent" shit.

>>11969833
>false banality
I fucking love interview-Wolfe
>Where'd you get the idea for Book of the New Sun?
>Well, I wanted to make a character that would be easy for people to dress up as, so I just gave him a bunch of black clothes and a mask, and everything kind of went from there.
It's much better, IMO, than just saying "I won't talk about that" like David Lynch.

>>11972575
After googling a bit I get the following names from this forum here.
https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-science-fiction-book-available-about-a-Type-3-civilization-i-e-civilizations-that-have-control-over-at-least-an-entire-galaxy-and-theoretically-are-able-to-harness-all-the-power-in-that-galaxy

They mention the following novels:
The last question by Isaac Asimov
Xelee sequence by Stephen Baxter
Culture series novels by Ian Banks
Space Odyssey by Arthur Clarke
Rama novels by Clarke
The Ringworld series from Larry Niven
It isTime by Stephen Baxter

I don't know enough about such high tier sci-fi civilizations (I enjoy my sci-fi closer to modern times such as in Neuromancer) but maybe this gives you a start, unless some smart anons here can help you.

>>11972193
Don't be an idiot. Of course these books give you suggestions on what to do and say in the real world.

>>11972163
The reason I recommend those two is because they're better but these have some good info.

> Leil Lowndes - I skimmed a couple of her books at the bookstore and she seems to have good or at least decent ideas about communication.
> How to Flirt by Westerman - Not a PUA book. The way he defines it, the goal is to have fun banter with anyone, not just romantic potential partners. It's out of print but available used.
> Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, and the Five Love Languages books - These are definitely lesser quality because they're overgeneralizations and people can obviously react positively to more than one form of affection. Five Love Languages can be preachy. These books should be 4 pages long but their ideas are decent templates.
> How to Win Friends and Influence People - This book is really old and kind of bad and should be 2 pages long. Yes it's good to ask people about their interests but don't keep using their name in conversation--that's unnecessary and weird.
> Emotional Intelligence 2.0 - Skimmed it and it looks decent. The focus is on becoming aware of and modifying your reactions to social situations
> Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion - Scientific, focuses on business, should be 4 pages long. Old but has fundamentals.

I haven't read or skimmed The Charisma Myth yet. It sounds good but also probably should be a pamphlet instead of a book.

Why did Vorkosigan Saga never take off despite critical acclaim? Was it too progressive in the 80's? Or is it just the awful cover art?

If they made a movie or series of it in this day and age it'd be gobbled up by sci-fi fans and SJW's alike.

>>11972575
Xeelee features a type 4

>>11972791
It just wasn't all that good anon.

>>11972048
There are hints that Severian may have played with little Severian, chiefly that Severian denies it out of the blue, then takes the Leech denying that he is a pedo out of the blue as proof positive that he is one.

>>11972791
She wrote 13 books (and a bunch of shorter stuff in that universe) so there must have been demand. I'm sure she makes most of her money off Vorkosigan but only a few books from that time made it into the mainstream.

>>11972791
>>11972886
I've always been under the impression it's been popular, at least popular enough to have seen non-readers call the fans "zombies."

More seriously I think it's that the series "looks hard" to get into. There are a lot of books, and they weren't written/published in chronological order. Also the romance aspect of the intro books was likely a turn-off, "that's not space opera that's girl stuff" or whatever, despite most of the pre-Komarr stuff with Miles being about his "harem of terrifying amazons" (to quote his brother) rather than some generic cardboard cutouts mooning over each other.

>>11972956
I'm not into romance so yeah that's one reason they're low on my to-read list. Personally, I'd rather read books in publication order than chronological. I did enjoy Curse of Chalion tho.

>>11972833
I still don't get any of the shit with little Sev at all. Like, what was Typhon's ring? Did the kid exist at all? Was the kid Sev and the ring was a time machine? It all happened when he was about the same age as when big Sev showed up at the torturer's place. Fucking weird ass sequence.

>>11972575
Count to a Trillion, but you don't get a very good look at it for several books.

>>11972791
To be honest, probably just because it wasn't optioned into film/tv. It was and is pretty well-known and well-regarded among SF readers.

>>11972788
Thanks pal.
I think being charismatic would help me in life the most,since connections are pretty much everything and being well liked whenever you go is nice.And besides.Who wouldn't want to be some sort of a cult of personality like the dictators?Pretty cool right?
Well,I hope there is E-books of these that I can download,since I am not from an English nation,and there would be no other way to get em.
I'm not much into books,but check out Emilio Salgari he is a pretty good writer.You should check him out.
One more question to you guys as a whole.My mother has two books,one is named Moby dick,and the other is Iliada.Are they worth my time?

>>11973165
They're both classics.
I like Moby Dick.

>>11973066
I read in publication order and don't remember romance getting in the way. It was mostly hornblower in space, which is what I wanted.

>>11973165
>Cult of personality
I'm an introvert. I really don't want to have a bunch of people around me all the time, hanging on my every word. I like having friends and making new friends but I'm pretty happy having a lot of time alone. The social thing was one of my weaknesses so I took active steps to fix that. It is definitely learnable. Mistakes can and will be made but that's normal and real friends will forgive errors.

>>11973200
I know from Chalion that she's a good writer but I'm in a sampling phase where I want to try writers who I haven't read yet. I'm sure I'll get around to Vorkosigan later. It seems comfy.

>>11973066
I only read the series for the first time this year and I did omnibus/chronological order and I think either would work fine. Either way after Memories the series doesn't do much jumping around and has mostly been linear.

When I was reading Shards of Honor I actually realized I'd tried reading it before but had dropped it during the intro section. The book really is kinda fanficcy at fist but it gets a lot better around the halfway point where Cordelia gets back to Beta colony and Jason Bourne's a psychiatrist.

>>11973271
Honestly it's some of the best modern space opera stuff. Though I will caution that some of the earlier books are rougher, Bujold is a author who's really improved over time and Chalion is more her writing after 20-some years of practice.

Very good. The story is amazing and it is well written.
Very engaging

Thought i should probably ask here first instead of making a thread.
I like star wars, and i heard this guy is good. Should i read these books, some of his books unrelated to star wars, or the new Thrawn books?

>>11973492
It's okay.
I really like the X-wing series myself.
Particularly the Allston books

>>11973377
Quite a good book
Anyone know if Adrian Tchaikovsky has written any other good sci-fi?

>>11973377
It's too bad the end was total shite. What a hack.

>urban fantasy

>>11972956
>There are a lot of books, and they weren't written/published in chronological order
That's mostly why I haven't read any yet. I am not into whole universes kinda stuff, I like a story about a character or a few and then on to the next story. And since I don't know if there is like a trilogy following a character in that series, or if each books is about a different person, I get really reticent about it. Same reason why I haven't started the culture yet. Personally, I don't mind the romance too much, except when written by women, they tend to lose focus on the other aspects of the story and focus on how the main character, usually the woman, is feeling about each of her three fuck buddies, and how hot their abs are.

What is it that you guys love about science fiction or fantasy, what is that one thing, that one trope that keeps pulling you back into it.

I always prefer science fiction over fantasy when given the choice or at the minimum modern era science fiction (It's just that I can imagine a future supercity much easier than a dark and foreboding woods).

My tipping point is usually when the story goes so far ahead into the future that people aren't people anymore (multiple millennia in the future for example where they move beyond a cyberarm something like that and just take really strange and alien forms) and it just makes it feel weird reading about them as a person since they're so removed from what I can see in front of me, the only example I can think of at the moment are how the spacing guild navigators were portrayed in the dune movie.

Fantasy (or at the least middle age looking fantasy with magical elements) always seems to be inspired by Tolkien in some way to me at least (and not just books but games and movies as well) there are a few good exceptions but a lot of them feel this way.

That's not to say I don't like Tolkien esque stuff, Elves, gnomes, the fair folk and orcs and such are great (dwarfs are kind of meh though since they're usually just short scotsmen a lot of the time). I just wish there was more variety in the fantasy stuff (shadowrun comes to mind and fallout seems to hit it just perfectly for me although other than the games there isn't much to read but tabletop splat books.).

If a fantasy buff knows a book that will blow me away then please reply the name, I'm starving for something that will completely pull me in and make me see the fantastical worlds that it portrays.

>>11971911
Now I want to read it.

Were you secretly shilling it here?

>>11973617
Great stories aren't reducible to one thing.

For example, if you haven't read the Amber books by Zelazny:
>not bloated (books 1-5, don't read series 2)
>lots of action and intrigue keeps the plot moving
>great prose
>interesting characters
>not cliche -- no elves, dwarves, etc
>unique magic system based on Tarot
All this comes together to make a great series

If you want a single fantasy book try Vurt by Jeff Noon:
>unique magic system - programmable feathers that tap into Jungian archetypes
>great prose
>interesting characters
>urban fantasy without elves, dwarves, vampires, fae, etc.

>>11973492

They're pretty good in terms of Star Wars fiction, I love them but I have to temper that fact with I read them when I was 14. The X-Wing series, like someone else said expands and does a great job with the EU without devolving into what eventually killed it all for me, a nonstop series of hyper crises.

>>11973492
Zahn is a decent genre author. If you like the Thrawn books, you'll probably like his non-SW books too.

The Thrawn books are sometimes overhyped by Star Wars fanboys who don't know what truly good books are. But they're not bad.

Sell me on a book you like by describing the plot (as unspoilery as possible).

>>11973512
>>11973783
>>11973786
Thanks, have you read the new "canon" Thrawn book(s)?

>>11973073
That might be the part where I have the least idea what's really going on. I mostly chalked it up to Wolfe telling the reader SEVERIAN HAS A SISTER in huge letters. Typhon's ring is a trap obviously, a tempting metal object that delivers a lethal electric shock. Again, all I really take away from that is that it foreshadows Typhon being a dick. I actually don't think that "little Severian" is another version of Severian, for one thing Severian surely would have remarked on a resemblance and he didn't.

>>11973543
You don't like strong independent half vampire heroines dressed in leather?

>>11973786
After the likes of Cuck Wendigo and Karen Travis. Zahn must look like the best author evar to those poor souls.

>>11973587
With the Vorkosigan series it's more that it jumps around in the timeline. So like, in original publication order you have Shards of Honor, then several books about Miles going on adventures with his mercenary fleet, and then it jumps back to Barrayar and his parents again. There are only a few books where viewpoint switches to a supporting character like Ethan of Athos or Captain Vorpatril's Alliance.

The romance is more "grown up" in the sense that it's just part of the story, and in a good part of the series it doesn't even show up. And it's more "real people" rather than some overwrought purple prose "oh Cordelia!" "oh Aral!" *swoons* stuff. Adults making adult decisions about their lives.

>>11973786
His Blackcollar series is pretty fun, humanity's only hope against the alien invaders are ninjas! but the aliens also have Javert helping them!

The Icarus Hunt is also a great stand alone novel.

>>11973795
No. I read the Thrawn books when I was like 14 and have no intention of going back to that well. Aside from being too ~sophisticated~ now, Disney frankly ruined Star Wars for me. I got into the X-Wing miniatures game and that was about the last straw.

>>11973795
Naw, don't care about new canon and would rather read old books anyway.

>>11973800
>After the likes of Cuck Wendigo and Karen Travis. Zahn must look like the best author evar to those poor souls.

Pretty much.

I got a question about magic.

Suppose there is a writer called John. John wants to write a "low magic" fantasy. He designs a world that is more or less compatible with modern science and adds some rules for the magic. The rules he adds are based on other popular stories, and are mostly plot devices to keep the story interesting.

Now I want to ask: does it make sense to apply Levi-Strauss' theory of magic on John? I mean, John isn't a sorcerer and he writes his story for popularity. Does it still work?

I think my answer is no. Because a scientific theory is made by observing, describing, and trying to manipulate the real world.
A made up rules on the other hand is to make up a fake world according to a pre-established model. This. Is. Not. Science.

There is one aspect not yet specified in the scenario though: the readers. It could be that John isn't really making up a fake world from scratch. John is very likely trying to find the "winning formula" of the fantasy genre. In that case, this is still not science. But what John is doing is trying to extract rules from other people's description

On the other hand, the whole fantasy community is very self reflexive. It could be that they are making up rules in an interactive process.

Time to go back to read more Levi Strauss

>>11973801
Seconding The Icarus Hunt. Really fun adventure novel in space. Pulpy but not brain dead, with a good main character and sidekick.

>>11973810
I have to add that SW fans are partially to blame for the horrible quality of the novels. I understand that the movies (old and new) weren't really giving the authors all that much to work with but if the fandom was in general better read and unwilling to buy any SW branded crap no matter how bad it was, the novels could have been better.
It probably doesn't even matter know, with how Disney ran the franchise in the ground.

>>11973772
Thank you so much for your reply, it's just that I don't have much experience with fantasy books other than the LOTR and the Hobbit and when I try looking around it's a lot of the same and it just makes it feel a little dulled, at least when I compare it to science fiction stuff that I found so far to be incredibly diverse in terms of subgenres and just consistently seems to hit the right notes with me.

Also I don't mind the fantastical races, elves in particular fit a certain thing I love in these kinds of stories, they live for such a long time that they almost seem have a motherly role to the lesser races.

I'll give the recommendations a read when I get the chance, studies are coming to an end so I'll lots of free time to increase my reading to consecutive days to possibly weeks.

I'm trying to decide whether to end a YA novel by killing off the love interest, or whether to have her narrowly survive a gunshot wound to the head.

Also, she's going to lose her grandmother one way or another. No matter how it plays out she's going to have a pretty miserable ending

>>11974108
You gotta plan ahead for those sequels bro.

>>11974175
It's a standalone. Nobody ever remembers the sequels

>>11974191
sequels keep the money rolling in

>>11973513
Not as good as CoT but Guns of Dawn is decent as well.

FUCK FANTASY

>>11974191
>YA
>standalone
Bro I wouldn't even begin without 12 book series and a TV show/movie deal. Gotta write big to get big, cmon!

>>11974233
honestly, my book's probably not going to sell anyway. No appeal to the target demographic

>>11974247
I didn't want to be a dick but yeah I don't see the market appeal unless you John Green it

>>11972791
Because "critical acclaim" doesn't mean shit when it comes to what actual readers want to read.
Critics =/= the market

>>11974272
the full story is what matters. the end is just a dirty trick to either make it memorable or ruin it

>>11973800
>You don't like strong independent half vampire heroines dressed in leather?
Not when all she thinks of is fucking her werewolf neighbor. And his father.

>>11973793
>a genetically-modified, motorcycle-riding, ax-wielding, pagan barbarian with a christian monk for a sidekick (who was transformed into a monkey by a sorcerer) answers the question raised in Ursula Le Guin's story The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas from a "conservative" perspective

Is it okay for a 27 year old to read young adult fiction?

>>11974473
Only if it has smokin' hot latina lolis.

>>11974473
Sure. Plenty of people read the hobbit when they are fairly old

>>11974339
What Book?

>>11974487
Mortu and Kyrus in the White City.

Just finished Urth of the New Sun, I’m pretty overwhelmed desu but it had a really nice ending. Amazing that there were still times that made me want to go back to reread passages from the first 4 books

>>11974544
You must continue to progress through the Solar Cycle.

>>11974233
Sounds like Gaskun’s area of expertise

>>11974473
yes.

Let's be honest, /lit/ has one of the most unhealthy relationships to literature you can possibly find in the world. If you're reading for the sole purpose of earning rick and morty IQ brownie points, you might as well not be reading at all.

Fiction exists to entertain and inspire anon. Read what drives you anon. as long as you find something you enjoy, nothing else matters

>>11974473
compared to normies who watch tv and marvel movies it's a step up

I wish you retards weren't so averse to reading short stories and novellas because I'm reading some straight up kino. It's adventurous and humorous in the classic 'dry' style while having plenty of twists and turns and actual likable characters. A great antidote to the slogging grimderpness I read recently with Unholy Consult.

>>11974902
It's not just us, short stories and novellas don't get a lot of love anywhere

>>11974990
this is true. my friend published a short story and I don`t think anyone has read it.

>>11969352
Just picked up and finished Solaris. Beautiful stuff, just wanna say thank you for the recommendation and next on my list is last and first men.

reminder that the only sci-fi story ever penned worth reading is aniara

>>11969352

Why is this limp-wristed white boy bullying the machine-girl? Why are all Bostonians like this?

>>11974990
True, but I like to think of /sffg/ as a bit more 'enlightened' than the regular normie scum of sci-fi and fantasy since we regularly (and rightly) shit on grimderp and needlessly bloated fantasy.

>>11973492
Tried the first, thought it was hilariously bad. Literally fanfiction-level.

>>11975179
define grimderp

>>11975467
Super edgy and/or nihilistic fantasy.

>>11975467

>>11975111
She likes it.
The whore.

>>11974902
What are you reading? I usually keep a short story collection at hand to read when I feel like I need a break from heavier stuff. I'm currently reading The Wandering Earth by Liu Cixin and before that I read Magicats!, a surprisingly good collection featuring Fritz Leiber, Le Guin, John Crowley and two stories by Gene Wolfe, one of them set in the House Absolute from BotNS.

>>11975561
Been reading Schuyler Hernstrom's stuff and it's been great. Images of the Goddess was the story I was talking about in that post. Entertaining blend of fantasy and sci-fi with a nice sense of humor sprinkled throughout.

>>11975549

No excuse. The capacity to consent to abuse is an invalid concept. BDSM has no moral basis.

>>11973810
kind of like Dan Abnett and WH40k readers, he's decent but the other guys make him look fucking amazing

>>11975580
So what you are saying is that you wouldn't slap her around, maybe choke her a bit and call her hurtful names even if she likes it?

>>11975589
woof
i usually am not one for fat chicks but who is that?

>>11975698
>fat

>>11975708
have a vote for bdsm
anything to keep that goblin shark smile at bay

>>11975698
That's Alexandra Mammario.
Don't look too long into her eyes, she'll steal your soul.

>>11974902
I only ever read a small handful of short stories before and they were from a SF omnibus I somehow aquired when I was a teen, probably from an op-shop for $2.

The only story I really remember was of a dystopian future wherin anybody who had talent, intellect, or beauty was stifled with physical restraints in order to make everyone perfectly equal. Thoroughly enjoyed it then and today I realise why.

>>11969394

This whole book.

>>11975573
>Schuyler Hernstrom
Sounds interesting enough, might try to get my hands on Thune's Vision.

>>11974902
My ex showed me "Gentle seduction", and it's one of the reasons i'm still not over her.
This chick (don't have the sauce) reminds me of her.

>>11969352

I'll hit 60,000 words on my first novel today. Another ~10,000 and the draft will be finished. Feels great to be nearly done. I started in March and the whole process has really taught me a lot. It's like discovering a whole new creative world.

>>11975806
What is the novel about anon

>>11975811

It's kind of like Neon Genesis Evangelion mixed with John Carpenter's The Thing mixed with The Swiss Family Robinson. There's a bit of cosmic horror too. It sounds crazy but the pov is grounded in a 12 year old girl experiencing all the weird stuff as the reader does.

>>11975815
I'm in anon.
Btw, are you a dude?

>>11975772
Well, anon, I may or may not be collecting all of his stories from Kindle Unlimited into cbr files (and one epub). If you're REALLY interested I just might upload them and post the link if you have the program to open cbr (comic book) files.

>>11969394
Malazan is a mess, but it has some kino battles.

>>11975897
Or I could just save the screenshots I took of each page into zip files.

>>11975815
Having in the POV of a young girl sounds great, you can really pump up the fear factor with that.
I'm already going to give it a read anon, are you going to have it printed or is it a digital release ?

What is the /sffg/ equivalent of Planescape: Torment?

>>11975920
The Hobbit

>>11975959
No

>>11972642
Some of the SJW elements felt a bit forced, but I managed to ignore them and actually enjoyed the books.

>>11974247
Never give up anon, even if it's a standalone the world you make could allow for more stories, maybe if this standalone novel is really good people will want more in the same world.
Always believe in yourself

>>11974583
>single novels the size of phonebooks
Better split that shit up into regular sized novels.

>>11975755
>that disgusting lipstick
>that smearing at the edges
ugh

>>11975920
You do realize that Planescape Torment has a book ?
Why not read that, it's only 2000 pages long
http://discogenie.dyndns.org/planescape/
and there is also this version
http://www.wischik.com/lu/senses/pst-book.html

>>11976109
Not that anon but vidya novels are in vast majority of cases horrible.

>>11976092
But the tiddies.

>>11976092
>smearing
Its her herpes acting up. Everyone in the Hollywood business has it, seeing as they all sat on the casting couch.

>>11976170
>tiddies
At least go for Ariel Winter. She is actually attractive. That other chick ruined Percy Jackson for me.

>>11976195
>Ariel Winter
Are you American?

Looking for a book that was mentioned here a while back, the protagonist is a woman warrior who basically gives up and lets herself get gangfucked every time she's outnumbered.
Asking for a friend.

>>11975561
>>11975179
I just reread a Zelazny short story and plan to read the last two Murderbot novellas and a Pat Cadigan cyberpunk short

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTleHVkoaNQ

>>11975920
Planescape was influenced by the Chronicles of Amber

>>11976170
them tits look old n shit tho
maybe once they were small and perky but now all she has is dilapidated melons

>>11976357
Does it have lots of cute scheming sisters?

>>11976388
Come back to reality, anon....

>>11976388
Perky tits are shit.

>>11976388
>has obviously never seen her topless

>>11976357
Thanks

>>11972642

NK Jemisin tends to like inserting a second person narration style with in universe justification. It beggars belief sometimes, but I was able to ignore it because I really like the concept of a palimpsest of civilizations writ large upon a malignant Earth.

>>11976471
i got scared off by her spooky smile

>>11969352
Hi all! I've been looking for a very particular kind of story that I'm not having much luck finding, so I'd love some help.

I'm looking for a story that focuses on travels across a fantastical world, with a sense of fun, whimsy, and wonder, and a spotlight on the magic, the wondrous and impossible locales, the strange and scary creatures, the exotic peoples and cultures, and so on... Ideally it wouldn't be about saving the world, but it's okay if the protagonist(s) end up on a world-saving quest sorta on accident.

The closest things I've found would be the Edge Chronicles series, the Chronicles of Master Li and Number Ten Ox, the Earthsea books, The Belgariad, Young Wizards, and the Hobbit. They're all circling what I'm looking for to various degrees, but aren't quite it.

Any suggestions? It seems like there should be a lot of books like this but I've found remarkably little.

>>11976620
The Neverending Story by Michael Ende

>>11976620

>>11969352
sauce pls

>>11976653
I actually just watched the movie for the first time, it definitely fit the bill. Completely blanked on the fact I could check out the book too! Thanks!

>>11976671
Wow, this sounds positively delightful! Thank you so much!

>>11976400
There are scheming sisters. They're more beautiful than cute

>>11976620
The Elfin Ship maybe
Also take a look at the Discworld books

>>11976671

>>11976881
kek i didnt even notice the dude laying down at first

>>11976620
The definition of Discworld

>>11976671
>>11976881

Dark shit

>>11976926
*brown

>>11976620

>enjoying my book
>google the author
>she compares Cleopatra to Hillary and Trump to Ptolemy

>>11976946
But Cleopatra was good looking.

>>11976946
>and Trump to Ptolemy
Which one?

>>11976961
anon I....

>>11977000
One of the 3 she killed probably

>>11977000
>Which one?
The worst one probably.

>>11977002
A coin profile? Anon you jest.
Caesar was taping that fine ass.

>>11977022
He wasn't the only one

>>11976946
>she
your ship was fucked before ya left the dock sailor

>>11976946
>reading women
You had it coming bucko.

>>11973793
Angels rule, demons drool.

>>11973793
Scottish guy kills indians and arabs.

>>11976857
>>11976913

Read all the Discworld books! They're indeed great! The Rincewind novels would be a great reread, I think they fit my parameters well. I was looking for less parody, though.

I'll check out Elfin Ship!

>>11976939
Vance is on my reading list! I wasn't sure if his work was in the right vein, but I'll check it out! Sci-fi isn't an exact match but its good enough.

Thanks again everyone!

December 1st Boyos
https://www.amazon.com/Thrall-Daniel-Black-Book-4-ebook/dp/B07JMNZ3TN/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1540318868&sr=1-1

>tfw got memed and am actually reading Throne of Glass.
It's fun enough to read in the bus and during work.
Would probably rate it a 6 after the wonky beginning of the first novel. So wouldn't recommend it but it doesn't hurt either.

>>11977291
>willingly throwing away your iq

>>11977308
>my escapism is better than yours

>>11977308
Have any of your authors graduated Magna Cum Laude?

>>11977348
>Creative writing and Religious Studies
Some of our favourite authors have REAL degrees.

>>11977291
Six is quite a good rating. My average is slightly above 5 (2.5 on goodreads).

>>11977379
MAGNUM

>>11977379
Who?

>>11969375
neuromancer by william gibson
shadow of the torturer by gene wolfe
past master by r.a. lafferty
the time machine by h.g. wells
journey to the center of the earth by jules verne

>>11977466
The man that Tolkien begged to help edit the The Silmarillion.

>>11977469
Was he electrocuted by a high voltage line or something? He looks a little crispy.

>>11975840

Yeah I'm a dude.

>>11975911

Thanks. It'll be a while before it's ready to share but I'll check in and give updates on my progress. I'm trying to do it right and edit properly, and then I think I'll pursue traditional publishing. Working title is 'The Fairy'.

>>11971911
>The prose isn't even good.
Surely you jest.

>>11972791
I've wondered that too, I greatly enjoyed the series.

>>11977469

>jules verne

Please no

>>11973655
It's a very funny book, but sorely lacking in horny conservative teens. I'm not sure what book anon actually read.

This is definitely "not as good as i remember' core. Kind of boring, actually.

>>11977563
Verne was /ourguy/

>>11977335
tell me more about fluoride

>>11977617
>fluoride
Portions of the paranoid-spectrum disturbed believe it to be a control mechanism

More like Sarah J Maasive

>>11977668
>two copies of D-Day
Does she even look at that shelf?

>>11977692
One's for her husband's son.

Good sff with a strong underlying mystery tone?

>>11977754
Chronicles of Amber

>>11977754
Caves of Steel. Also The City and the City

>dozens of ideas for novels
>fully realized one
>scrapped it
>sit down to regard countless concepts that never feel good enough
>stare at a blank word document and post on /lit/ rather than actually writing
Kill me, lads. How do I write for fun again?

>>11977754
Seconding the Amber series

>>11977244
>shilling your book here
we are unto you brown boy

>>11977790
Add comedy

>>11977668
U didn't hear i liek Thicc?

>>11977244
4 bucks for an ebook seems like a lot, why should I buy your book.

>>11977801
>comedy
Smoothbrain

Do you prefer reading about solitary heroes or quirky adventuring parties?

>>11977880
>grimderp is fun

>>11977920
>Grimderp isn't fun
Yikes!

>>11977970
This. Comedy in an of itself is often unfunny and cringy, Grimdark however is comedy gold.

>>11977981
I unironically found parts of Prince of Nothing absolutely hilarious. Needlessly edgy stuff is fun. My friends think I'm making shit up when I tell them about moments like the incest futa murder scene.

>>11978001
>moments like the incest futa murder scene.

>>11978028
The emperor likes to fuck his mom. Halfway through she gets replaced by a doppelganger with a penis who gets hard in response to violence and human suffering. She unveils her penis to her son and kills him.

>>11978035
>doppelganger
So it's not really his mum then

>>11969964
Some meta bullshit.

>>11978035
>momcest
Gross

>>11977668
chinzilla

>>11978073
Time travel + momcest is unironically the thinking mans fetish.

Which relatively non-mainstream current fantasy author do you think is gonna become the Stephen King/Rowling of zoomers in the near future?

>>11978089
I'll tell your mom you posted this.

>>11977901
Having more people gives you more chance to have conversations between them, having a singular hero allows for more internal dialog to fill up a page.
They're just really different from eachother, but both work fine for me.

>>11977901
Solitary heroes for sure. The thing with parties is that every character usually falls into certain generic tropes. There's always one dude who's strong and big, but slow and maybe even stupid. One dude who's weak but cunning/sly/agile, some chick who's actually tough and '''badass'' and 'not like the other girls', and so forth.
Just give me that lonesome ronin archetype that wanders around handling shit and dealing with his own problems.

>>11978093
Daily reminder that Gene Wolfe is still alive

>>11978155
how?

>>11978155
proof?

>>11978155
I wonder if he'll crap out a YA novel before he passes.

>>11978164
The Wizard Knight was sort of YA, although he does go into detail about a little girl getting blasted with a giant's cumshot

>>11977831
>>11977792
I'm not the author..

Any books with a little girl protagonist?

>>11978193
Shadows of Cleopatra.

>>11978193
There's Green, but it's really very bad and I would not recommend you read any bit of it.

Soon

>Do you write sff?

Mostly fantasy, though I have some vague scifi ideas and only one concrete.

>How far along are you?

Wrote some short stories, though anything longer makes me lose track. I don't really see myself writing a novel at the moment, at most a novella.

>Are you doing NaNoWriMo next month?

I dunno, 50k in a month seems crazy. I never wrote anything that long, anyway.

>>11969509

Not the quoted but thanks, your posted helped a bit.

>>11971770

Didn't think it was as bad as the other anon, but it surely aged bad. The prose is fine but the plot is boring.

>>11978093

Current? None. I'd say Gaiman, but for some reason he never gets there though being in the game for such a long time. The next King/Rowling is yet to be discovered imo.

>>11978193
Chronicles of Amber

What's some fantasy with this aesthetic?

Which Philip K Dick books should i get?
Flow my tears, the policeman said
Scanner darkly

>>11978253
What did we say about watching anime and jerking off before you post here anon?

>>11978253
Prince of Nothing.

>>11978193
Library at Mount Char

>>11978306
Your wedding photos are cute!

>>11978374
Anon it's unbecoming for a grown man to be so passive-aggressive.

>>11978399
Your honeymoon photos are cute!

>>11978428

>>11978428
The only thing that can save you in your current state is hip drive.

>>11978439
Your divorce photos are cute!

>>11978459
Mediocre.

>>11978481
Your retirement photos are cute!

>>11978220
>sweetpocket

How is the Farseer trilogy? In two. Chapters in and I’m not particularly enjoying it. Should I stick with it?

>>11978561
i heard it has good boys

>>11978561
A little emo and feminine, but otherwise good

does writing greentexts about characters from science fiction or fantasy count as writing sff

>>11978558
Sounds like a dessert hotpocket. Or probably the worst euphemism for "vagina" that I have ever read.

>>11978589
In the same way that masturbating counts as a hobby. You mostly do it while using the internet and you generally don't share the results with people in real life.

>>11978604
>greentexting while not on the internet
jesus

>>11978253
You posted this on /tv/ and got deleted, lel.

>>11978093
I know what you're trying to say but King and Rowling became big with their first books and completely dominated their genres. There was never anything non-mainstream about them.

Matt Ruff would be a better example. After writing for decades, one of his books got picked up for a TV series. Lovecraft Country will be coming to HBO.

>>11978589
>greentexts
The format is invalid outside of 4ch. Consider them as notes/outline for a short story.

>>11978608
Nah I just saved the image, it's posted on /tv/ atleast 5 times a week btw.

>>11978608
People do it, anon. I've seen them. It doesn't make any sense to me either.

>>11978692
But where, how?

>>11978663
Well stop posting it and the exact same low-effort shit.

are you proud of yourself /sffg/?
you just know someone on /lit/ wrote this shit.

>>11978754
that's hilarious actually
don't be mad

>Be reading "The Lathe Of Heaven"
>Talks about Kwashiorkor among the children of Portland, Oregon
>Start reading "Gateway"
>Mentions Kwashiorkor among the children in Oregon

REFERENCES!!!

>>11978589
It is used as an euphemism for vagina in Green.

>>11978859
awful

>>11978293
Get all of them, except for maybe Our Friends From Frolix 8.

>>11978843
Did kids in Portland ever get Kwashiorkor? How recent was it if it did?

>>11978880
I live in Oregon and I have no idea.

>>11978754
Less cringey than the "MINECRAFTER FOR LIFE: BOOK 1 OF THE BUILDER SAGA, A LITRPG NOVEL" garbage I suppose.

>>11978859
arent' green's fans all little girls?

Any particular reason why a new thread hasn't been made yet?

>>11978253
Seconding Prince of Nothing

>>11977901
Solitary dudes. Although a companion and a few recurring characters are also recommended.

>>11978919
It has fans? I've never heard of it besides the few times I've seen it mentioned here.

>>11978949
We were waiting for you

>>11978353
It's shite, don't read it.

>>11978992
o-oh....

>>11978992
This is like the end of titanic

>>11978035
Bakker is that you?

you idiots are so lazy

new bread
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