/lit/ - Literature

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>>11941485
Homosexuality is a perversion that confers no benefit. It is detrimental to both the individual and the species.
Books advocating it should be gathered and burned. Sodomites are not welcome on /lit/.

>>11941485
Start with the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.

>>11941498
You could pick a better example than ancient greece and plato if you want to argue liking men ruins society and people

>>11941485
Bug chasers are incapable of loving one another the way a man loves a woman.

>>11941485
The very underrated "Wingmen". One of the best gay-themed books I've read. It's a novel about WWII navy pilots, and it's not tragic, like many other books of this genre.

>>11941485
Hogg by Delany

>>11941564
that's not what i'm looking for

>>11941551
hmmm interesting

>>11941551
Are there any love stories about two enemy soldiers falling in love?

>>11941485
Confessions of a Mask.
Forbidden Colors.

>>11941485
Alan Hollinghurst

>>11941485
If I was Thor, I'd crush all fags with my hammer.

>>11941588
>two enemy soldiers falling in love

Patrician premise.

>>11941498
based

>>11941485
read plato's symposium. it's manly and based

>>11941485
Giovanni's Room

>>11941498
>he is unable to rationally convince people so he resorts to burning books
With people like you faggotry will become the norm

this was very good in my opinion

>>11941685
I did rationally convince them. Burning book was an afterthought, because people motivated by pleasure are largely immune to rational argument.

>>11941685
> he thinks NPC's can be rationally convinced
Anon, I don't even.

>>11941712
>I did rationally convince them.
you clearly did not
>Burning book was an afterthought
The fact alone that you even considered it makes you subhuman, It would be better to plain kill the offenders instead of burning literature and considering you are not opposed to scummy actions that are an objective detriment to humanity, why don't you consider the lesser evil?

>>11941742
>The fact alone that you even considered it makes you subhuman
Why?
> would be better to plain kill the offenders instead of burning literature
Literature lives on. People do not.
Regardless, this does not meet the bar to be regarded as "literature".

>>11941511
If only you knew what fucked up perverted shit straight "people" do my child.

Harry Potter, don't remember which books, the Dumbledore/Grindelwald stuff near the end of the series.

>>11941754
>Why?
Destroying knowledge no matter how dumb bad or vapid is a bad thing that is only done by people who are unable to argue against it.
>inb4 faggots don't react to arguments
sure but they also don't get their gayness from books
>Literature lives on. People do not.
That's how it is supposed to be especially because gayness is not something you learn.
>this does not meet the bar to be regarded as "literature".
You are not the arbiter of what can be regarded as literature that is why besides pseuds noone avoids using the actual definition of literature

>>11941734
You say that, but no one has given a single reason as to why other than "muh degeneracy", and "it's bad m'kay".

my diary desu

>>11941734

''Non-NPCs'' often mistakenly think they can argue with and change the mind of an NPC, because they themselves can be swayed by well-reasoned arguments backed up by evidence without losing face. Often the NPC’s resolve in their own folly becomes stronger in face of an opponent’s argument. I don’t really believe in the NPC meme though, I just think people invest more time thinking-wise in banality than the average e/lit/ist or well-read 4channer, like personal relationships, status and social order.

>>11941605
Bad premise since it implies that ideals are pointless when confronted with silly romantic notions which is not a way anyone should live their lives.

>>11942003
It would be patrician if it expanded upon the conflict between duty and love. Especially if it managed to imbue homosexual love with any spiritual depth.

>>11941485

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>>11941765
truuuuuue
YAAAAS GO Dumbledore

finally we get to talk about some REAL literature

>>11941498
>Homosexuality is a perversion that confers no benefit.
Lol learn to kin selection

sooo /lit/ hates fags more than /mu/ does
hmmm

The City and the Pillar by Vidal, Thomas Mann really liked it

>>11941498
redpilled

>>11941788
>Destroying knowledge no matter how dumb bad or vapid is a bad thing that is only done by people who are unable to argue against it.
It isn't knowledge, it is a corruption of it. Your reasoning for why it should be retained is retard tier
>sure but they also don't get their gayness from books
They receive validation and a voice of reinforcement from books that glorify or advocate sodomy.
>That's how it is supposed to be especially because gayness is not something you learn.
Homosexuality is partly a learned behavior. Men can be conditioned to be aroused at the sight of a penny. In this age of pornography, sexual acceptance such, it is very easy for a child to pickup this behavior. This is why sodomites use a rainbow as their symbol because it's naturally appealing to children. If a child witnesses a Pride parade, it may well be the first time he or see sees, not just sexuality on display but a smorgasbord of it in the most preverse ways. To loosely paraphrase Lenin in an unrelated context, "Get em started while they're young and they'll be hooked for life"
>You are not the arbiter of what can be regarded as literature
I actually am.

>>11943339
>It isn't knowledge
Fuck off you authoritarian fuck you are in no position to make such a statement.
>They receive validation and a voice of reinforcement from books that glorify or advocate sodomy.
Fuck no they receive validation and reinforcement from a certain part of the population that advocates for it books have virtually no impact
>Homosexuality is partly a learned behavior
ok i have to admit i was too extreme in my statement, i partially agree that you can condition people to act gay but in the majority of the cases people grow out of it, this only gets actually problematic once they start to pump children full of hormones though even then nature tends to win over, you'd just get a suicide
>"Get em started while they're young and they'll be hooked for life"
You are actually right but by your logic we should burn down schools then because that is where they get thought that faggotry is a good thing, again books are not at fault it is the education system that indoctrinates.
>I actually am.
fuck off pseud you are just like every other censor before unable to deal with books that espouse ideas that you dislike just like the scum that historically burned the bible just because they could not deal with it like rational human beings.

>>11941592
This.

>>11943190
Which is good

>>11941656
yeah was just popping in here to mention Balwin. Another Country is a good ass novel.

"Gentrification of the Mind" is an essay collection that might pique your interest, but it's written by a woman and it's more about queer culture in the late 80s rather that same-sex relationships themselves.

>>11943693
>Gentrification of the Mind
yeah i was looking for a romantic novel
but i'll try to read it

MY DIARY DESU

>>11943452
>npc outrage

>>11943190
phisolphy and reading is mostly attractive to people either with low achievment capacity and or ugly individuals, since they lacked any normal development and thus resort to pseudo intillectualism to stay sane they also resort to homosexuality (not by choice) simply because no woman wouldn't date them

>>11944070
*would date them

>>11941485
Whether you hate faggotory or not, I do believe it is not a choice solved by going to camp.

>>11943452
>You are in no position to make such a statement.
Why not?
>Fuck no they receive validation and reinforcement from a certain part of the population that advocates for it books have virtually no impact
If books have no impact, then why would it matter if they were gathered and burned? Logic is not your strong suit. Back the original point, books serve to normalize and propagate ideas and can have profound impact on society.
>You are actually right but by your logic we should burn down schools then because that is where they get thought that faggotry is a good thing, again books are not at fault it is the education system that indoctrinates.
Following what was said, the logic would not extend to all schools. There are undesirable schools just as there are undesirable books. That does not make the concept of either bad of themselves.
>fuck off pseud you are just like every other censor before unable to deal with books that espouse ideas that you dislike just like the scum that historically burned the bible just because they could not deal with it like rational human beings.
The fact that you are so heated and upset right now and I remain perfectly calm shows that people are not not rational and hence cannot be dealt with in a rational way. I have done my best to speak with you civilly and list the rationale for why these books should be gathered and burned. You cannot even entertain this position for a moment and go nuts, which is why you resort to ad hominems and obscenities.

>>11941498
>>>/pol/

A Separate Peace
Othello (revisionist)

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>>11941485
big feel but sadly no gay relationship to feel whole

>>11941485
the Bible
you obviously need it

>wanting to fall in love with a young man 8 years your junior
Books for this feel?

How about 30 year old Christopher Isherwood writing about cradle snatching his 18 yo bf?

>>11941981
desu desu https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/pristine-inner-experience/201110/not-everyone-conducts-inner-speech

>tfw gay
>tfw the epitome of male beauty and elegance in terms of the proper and complete aesthetic liberation of the male form as an object of romantic and physical desire
>tfw liberated to expore the full range of emotions without being crippled by shame like most overcompensating straight men

>>11941498
You're forgetting that in Plato's Symposium he says there is a third gender called androgynes (essentially femboys) who are totally awesome to have sex with, and also the fact that ancient greece was the most homosexual society in history.

>>11945079
Laws was written afterward and the very quote reflects pleasure divorced from procreation as undesirable. You're not very smart, are you?

>>11945079
then why did he have sex with boys

>>11945125
He didn't

>>11941686
meh, it was good untill it ended with the Bury Your Gays trope.

>>11945079
>femboys

>>11941498
Based and redpilled

>>11944224
>If books have no impact, then why would it matter if they were gathered and burned?
because
>The fact that you are so heated and upset right now
why would you assume so?
you are a pseud who repeatedly says he somehow is in the position to choose what future generations can have access to or not and i made sure to tell you this.
>That does not make the concept of either bad of themselves.
sure but you like to burn those that are undesirable so burn down the undesirable schools
>I have done my best to speak with you civilly and list the rationale for why these books should be gathered and burned.
Just saying you have done something doesn't make it true and saying that you are somehow in the position to make decisions in the name of humanity is utterly retarded just like with every other book burning in history because your ideas can never lead to a positive outcome.
>You cannot even entertain this position for a moment and go nuts, which is why you resort to ad hominems and obscenities.
I have made my point and there literally is no problem with surrounding it with adhominems or obscenities and you somehow believing that by referring to their existence changes the validity of my point is just silly.

>>11941498
Based and redpilled

This.

>>11941485

>>11945203
>Bury Your Gays trope.

>>11946575
What?

>>11946634
Go write more fanfics about Buffy on wattpad or post about the newest problematic queerbait on tumblr or tvtropes or whatever you fuck.

>>11945546
>because
>saying "because" with no further response like a 5 year-old child

>>11941498
Book burning is never an option

>>11941485
Catch-22?

does anyone have that chart with a lot of good lgbt books?

>>11946703
is it this one anon? >>11946570

>>11946681
>actually providing arguments
Not very "based" nor "redpilled"

Call Me By Your Name

>>11946706
oh yes, thanks

>>11941485
Confessions of a Mask (semi-biographical story from Mishima where he explores homoeroticism to the extent we're still a bit unsure whether he was really gay or if it was all just a big ruse lmao)
Plato's Symposium (a lot of reasoning on the benefits of homosexuality and why homosexuality is seen as a purer form of love because of the love and respect for your own form -- plus Socrates' drama with Agathon is Alcibiades is top notch comedy gold)
Fingersmith (it's sexual at times but not erotica and it explores the innocence of a first-time lesbian love with the backdrop of a victorian crime story)

Also because I don't know many gay books here's some queer film suggestions that are well worth watching:

Weekend
The Handmaiden (a loose adaptation of Fingersmith but if you like this film - and you almost certainly will - you'll like the book)
Blue is the Warmest Colour (excluding the incredibly graphic sex scenes this has a great gay drama between two young women at its centre that left me feeling a choke in my throat)
Fox and his Friends (german film about a gay guy getting fucked over by his "boyfriend" and their associates, a real tragedy that'll ruin your weekend)
Querelle (same director as Fox and His Friends - gets a lot of flack for being homophobic but Rainer Fassbinder was gay himself so maybe he gets a pass, idk)
Call Me By Your Name (it's a meme at this point but it is beautifully shot, Sufjan Stevens music is gorgeous and Timothee and Armie deliver very good performances. There's not much in narrative, but if you like pretty films where there's some lingering underlying subtext, and that ending/credits sequence is amazing too, but apart from that it's just worth a single watch)
Moonlight (maybe a meme but a really good film nonetheless, black kid struggles to connect with people, comes to realise he's gay and connects with a childhood friend but becomes distant and goes down a life of crime. Has one of the quietest, gentlest and heartfelt endings I've seen in black cinema to be honest)

>>11942003
Nobody said they can't break up in the end because they both had to stick to their morals, but what they can do is leave with a better understanding and empathy of each other.

Patrician idea.

>>11946681
Oh sorry that i did not repeat the same argument a fifth time.

>>11941485
>This hasnt been mentioned yet

It is really the only good gay book ive ever read, though I did not enjoy it at all, and it is effectively a horror novel

>>11941949
>>11943851
based and pinkpilled

>>11941485
Maurice by E.M. Forster
A Single Man by Isherwood
The Counterfeiters by Gide
South Wind by Norman Douglas (great, great book)

Books on how to get a boyfriend that's both cute and funny?

>>11941485
I bet the boy on the right's asshole is the most shining, glittering, sparkling pink pretty little boy hole that man has ever known.

>>1194158
There is a shitty sci-fi film though.

I want Chad's thunderous cock

>>11941485
Just read /fit/

>>11941498
He says in the Republic that it's okay to practice some form of pederasty and kissing your teacher. >hehe, mwah, socrates

>>11944070
>pseudo intillectualism
hmmm

>>11944792
whay? this guy??

>>11946719
is it good tho

>>11947955
There are multiple words for love in Greek. To imply those passages meant sexual attraction is blatant historical revisionism and shows a total bastardization of, and disregard for accuracy with respects to translating Ancient Greek.

>>11947972
It says there is kissing though... For a guardian or soldier:
>That most of all. And I'd add this to the law: As long as the campaign lasts, no one he wants to kiss shall be allowed to refuse, for then, if one of them happens to be in love with another, whether male or female, hell be all the more eager to win the rewards of valor.

I know that pederasty was already in practice, and it may be the only reason why he talks about it, since he sees a purpose in it. I definitely found out that the Symposium isn't as pro-homosexuality as it seems, but that was one article I found.

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>>11941485
start with the greeks

resume with the romantics

>>11946737
thank you

>>11941498
>Picking Plato to back-up your anti-homosexuality claims
>Thinking he didn't himself fuck with his students like his teacher did with him
>Throwing an autistic fit on the responses because you are so butthurt that you want to go the extra mile and burn books that disagree with your point of view
Sorry pol, but history can't change just because you feel like it, nor will we start burning books like degenerate monkeys who are afraid that they'll "catch the gay". I guess "Mein Kampf" turned too mainstream as of late and decided to try and bandwagon on another book.

>>11948480
>Sorry pol
>history can't change
>afraid that they'll "catch the gay".
>I guess "Mein Kampf" turned too mainstream as of late and decided to try and bandwagon on another book.

>>11948563
stfu poltard

Let's analyze his body of work.

>>11948563
>When you have no arguments, just meme your way out of it by calling them an NPC
How NPC of you to degrade someone else who doesn't agree with you

>>11946657
>>11946663

>"I still have his rugged, bearded kiss upon my lips."

*shudder*