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Philistine here, new to /lit/ and starting my journey into more serious literature.

I'm primarily interested in Christianity from a non reactionary point of view, (no, fuck YOU) and Theology/Christian philosophy in general. I've picked up,
>Dante's Divine Comedy
>Kierkegaard
>Aquanis
>Kant
>John Milton's Paradise Lost
>Faust
>NAV Bible

Any other recs? I'm specifically looking for anything relating to the Christian system of morality.

>> No.11941296

>>11941289
St Augustine

>> No.11941313

>>11941289
Christianity is reactionary.

>> No.11941316

>>11941296
Augustine is exactly what you're looking for. Also, I recommend getting into Plato or (presuming you already know Plato) the Neo-Platonics (most notably Plotinus) since they're the none biblical bedrock of early Christian thought.

>> No.11941318

>>11941289
What do have against Reactionaries? Also, define "Reactionary".

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>>11941289
Honestly, start with the Stoics and the Greeks to understand how certain Greek/Roman moral problems mixed with Hebrew beliefs to form Christianity. There are many areas to Study before St Augustine if you plan on understanding Kierkegaard. I don't have a list handy, but 500 to 600 AD is as important as the Enlightenment and still less important then what Islamic Scholars wrote in between - though, I doubt you'll ever hear about those connections with the way these are going in the middle east.

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>>11941289
What do you mean by reactionary? Do you mean modern 'Deus Vult' bullshit or just all polemics? I'm assuming the former since Kierkegaard could probably be considered reactionary.

Anyway here's a few good Catholic authors that are not included in your list that you might enjoy: Merton, Henry Newman and Chesterton. Bentley Hart and Richard Swinburne are modern authors that are good but you might find a bit reactionary depending on what you mean.

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>>11941289
>>11941331
Also OP if you want I could give some recs on early Christian authors you might enjoy if you would like that?

>> No.11941362

>>11941313
Christ is arguably the most non-reactionary person to ever live.

>>11941316
>>11941323
Yea I've looked into the greeks and the stoics, I was planning on reading them as well.

>>11941331
Definitely deus vult autism, but desu I have some ideas that are borderline heretical so there's that.

>> No.11941364

>>11941345
yes please

>> No.11941365

>>11941362
>Christ is arguably the most non-reactionary person to ever live.
Yes I'm sure your made-up hippie Jesus is very progressive.

>> No.11941376

>>11941365
did you even read the bible

>that time he literally tore through a market place calling it a "den of theives"
>That time he defied the old laws to let an adultress live
>That time he was literally killed because he defied the status quo

>> No.11941382

>>11941365
tfw jesus trolls the libs epic style and demands free market capitalism, denying worker rights and creates an underclass of homeless people for the profit of Messiah IncorporatedTM

>> No.11941385

Which scholastic writers are worth reading? Guys like Anselm, Ockham, Duns Scotus etc. Are they just footnotes to Aquinas or important in their own right?

>> No.11941389

>>11941382
This

imagine a conservative, reactionary, Jesus who like, supports closed borders and wants to take away people's food stamps while keeping a straight face. I'm reactionary as fuck but Christianity is, and will always be lefty as fuck. Modern Christians prefer the aesthetic of purity more than actual spiritual growth and its incredibly hypocritical and why I refuse to acknowledge any kind of religion.

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>Kierkegaard
>Kant
>NAV Bible

shaking my head like crazy

>> No.11941483

>I want to understand Christianity.
>Doesn't mention any Church Father as an intended read.

>> No.11941552

>>11941476
I said I wanted to get a grasp of Chriatian morality, thus I'm looking at multiple view points

>>11941483
>The Church
>Christianity as taught by Christ
lmao

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>>11941362
>>11941364
Sorry OP I was finishing an essay. You should check out those earlier recs I gave as well as Augustine.

Some good early writers on early Christianity include: Tertullian, Justin Martyr, Clement of Alexandria, Oriegen, Eusebius, Lactantius and Sozomon. The last three are clerical histories and are very politically motivated, more interesting if you want to understand the influence of Roman politics on Christian theology and worldview, especially how they chronoolgoised history. Philo of Alexandria is a Jewish source but really good into to a sort of Christian thought before Christianity as he is writing at approximately the same time as Jesus is writing. The nature of the Jewish God that Philo describes is used a lot by later Christian writers.

Also answering >>11941385 all three of those theologians are worth reading in their own right. Unfortunately I don't know very much about the scholastic tradition though and i'm afraid I can't point you in the right direction for more good medieval christian texts.