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We need to ban Peterson threads.

>>11932120
this argument is trite but it's not exactly wrong

>>11932120
Socialism ≠ amish

>>11932127
It is exactly wrong, consumerism wouldn't be as big of an issue if you could just conveniently opt-out of it, but you can't. Good luck getting a job without a car, or using public transportation at least, or owning a cellphone, having an email address. Are you going to sew all your own clothes? Are you going to build your own house from raw materials around you? How does being forced to perpetuate a system you abhor invalidate any criticism you might have of the system?

>>11932123
>>11932127
>>11932163
all true!

Does anyone have the "we should improve society somewhat" one?

>>11932163
Socialism would unironically be taken more seriously if it did.

>>11932120
>You claim you're an individual, yet you exist in a society? Strange.

>>11932168
Valid critique. One of the main flaws of the current system is that it doesn’t support alternatives.

>>11932168
Most people could spend a lot less and be fine. You could buy clothes at a thrift store, you could buy a cheap phone/computer, you could definitely learn to sew and repair things. My grandmother will actually wash and reuse plastic ziploc bags, not because she's poor but because she doesn't believe in wasting things for no good reason.

>>11932120

It's a shitty argument but most "Socialists" want more circus for themselves rather than more bread for everyone else.

>>11932120
>You say we should clean our rooms, yet your daughter is a dirty whore? Curious.

>>11932205
I own a phone from 5 years ago and have bought maybe a dozen new articles of clothing over the past few years, but eventually my phone is going to need to be replaced, and my old clothes are getting holes in them, I can not boycott all consumption without my life becoming effectively unlivable in contemporary society. Some day I will buy a brand new phone out of necessity, it would not be any more valid to criticize me then than it is now, because you wouldn't know I owned the old piece of shit phone for half a decade, up until just a day prior. Silencing someone for such stupid surface observations is bullshit, that's the only word to really describe it, I don't consume because I want to I consume because I need to. Furthermore don't confuse consumption in general with overconsumption, we are not talking about overconsumption.

>>11932250
>Reads Rand and 1984

What's his endgame?

>>11932168
Agree with your entire argument aside from being unemployable without a car. If you work in a city, or even on the brink of a city, there are so many alternatives now that, in the long term, are vastly cheaper investments than the money sink that is a car.

>>11932250
classic meme 10/10

>>11932127
wtf I love corporations now

>>11932252
>I own a phone from 5 years ago and have bought maybe a dozen new articles of clothing over the past few years, but eventually my phone is going to need to be replaced, and my old clothes are getting holes in them, I can not boycott all consumption without my life becoming effectively unlivable in contemporary society.
There's nothing wrong with that, I'm not trying to attack you personally, but you know as well as I do that plenty of "leftists" are rich as fuck. I won't be lectured on the evils of capitalism by someone who attends a college where the tuition is fifty grand a year.

I used to work with a supposed anarchist whose wardrobe was mostly lifted from abercrombie and other mall stores. Something about that always seemed not genuine.

>>11932258
There was a rumor in the day that this was pynchon's son. Don't really know if the timelines match up though

>>11932330
>I won't be lectured on the evils of capitalism by someone who attends a college where the tuition is fifty grand a year.
But why exactly? If the lecture is convincing in and of itself why ought it be ignored just because the person giving it is wealthy?