/lit/ - Literature

This is a lady thread.

Do reviews made on Goodreads show up on Amazon?

>>11923928
she has soulcatcher's psychotic eyes from this legendary piece

>>11923928

God damn it one book to go.

>>11923928
>>11923937
>the virgin black and white soul catcher vs the chad colour lady

do you guys like my tat?

>>11923964

I wonder if he likes Mat?

>>11923964
>red hand of ulster
based

>>11923977
>>11923980

>>11923928

Are you excited for Eliza Dushku to play her?

Sylphrena is my waifu

>>11924003
>37
"no"

>>11924003
You better not be talking shit about Eliza mf'er

>>11924011

"Do I create honor? Or am I drawn to it?" and the way it just does not goddamn matter was one of the greatest moments in that book for me.

>>11924018
I personally thought all of Shallan's sections were some of the greatest passages ever written in the history of fantasy fiction desu. Thank you mormonism for the gift that is Sanderson.

>>11924014

>>11924035
You don't have to worry about it desu, it's not like Black Company will ever be made into an actual show. It'll be forever stuck in development hell till the studio comes to it's senses and realizes it's not very good and shitcans it.

>>11924029
>>11924054
>Posts 'desu' in current year
>Hates everything

Yeah.

Yeaah.

>>11924029
Good lad

>>11924054
Just like the chronicles of Amber.
Why do the goodies always lose?

Is "magic is fueled by a single substance" so cliche that it's cringeworthy, or so cliche that its taken for granted?

I wanted to have a setting that uses shooting stars for this as a plot point, with a particularly large meteor strike having caused an area the size of a large city go full Adventure Time

>>11924057
baka...It's way too easy to hurt the feelings of people using reddit formatting.

>>11924061
/fa/ alert

>leather jacket
>button up collared shirt open
>t-shirt with flames on it

wew

>>11923928
Or is it a Mischievous Rain thread?

>>11924112
you missed the undershirt
man's got 4 layers on to keep the sweat and stink sealed in

>>11924061
wait hang on
on closer inspection i'm pretty sure this is photoshopped
who took the time to do this lmao

>>11924200
You're looking at the pixels all wrong my dude, it's not shopped.
https://variety.com/2016/film/news/brandon-sanderson-cosmere-movie-adaptation-dmg-1201902500/

What are some books where the MC feels like they’ve been personally betrayed by God?

>>11924228
Good god someone give whoever wrote that a link to an internet name generator.

>>11924228
gee, thanks for the spoilers. It's not like I was reading through book 2 or anything

All this talk about Sanderson is going to make me waste my time and read something of his.

>>11924327

read something good instead

>>11924330
Yeah like Kingkiller Chronicle

Why is he so perfect? In an age of fags spamming anime in the fantasy genre only Guy I stands firm. I can only compare him to Pericles or Themistocles.

>>11924327

Sanderson's good. He's popular so /lit/ must be contrarian.

>>11924350

incorrect

PSA for the people who haven't read Book of the New Sun and don't like stealing: The first 2 books are on sale for 3 bucks on kindle (US)

>>11923928
>>11923937
Aren’t they sisters?

>>11923928
>>11923937
I'm not finished yet, I really want them to make friends and share croaker I get the feeling Soulcatcher is trying to avenge her two sisters that suddenly died without suspicion as soon as lady turned up near them.

What's your story about, anons?

I'm working on a SF set in the near-future, following a band of revolutionaries/terrorists taking on the AGI running an exclusive cool-guy degenerates club in orbit and leaving most of the world to die from climate change and the water wars.

It's borderline erotica.

>>11924327
Start with The Final Empire.
It's part of a series, but it's self-contained. If you like it, keep going. If you don't, no big loss.

>>11924057
Problem famalam?

>>11924327
Start with Warbreaker, it's free and standalone and if you like it you can go straight to Stormlight afterwards.

>>11924397
A sword and sorcery adventure with magic based on the tarot.
I tried to put it into a not-medieval setting but the tarot is pretty fucking medieval so I'm going to run with that but make it Shakespearean so it isn't like every other fantasy.

>>11924057
>2018
>thinks desu isn't a word filter
ohohhohohohoho

is it lame to have my spellcasters use literal mana to fuel their powers?

>>11924437
>straight into Stormlight with hardly any foreplay
bold move

>>11924439
>magic based on the tarot

tell me more, anon

>>11924450
Depends on how the mana works.

Books or series that are the equivalent of this or the 2nd game?

Thoughts on this?

>>11924453
Warbreaker is the only other cosmere book with any major relation to Stormlight so far.
Also I started with Stormlight without reading anything else first and I have bad ADHD when it comes to reading

>>11924489
I started with Stormlight too, but it took me a couple tries to get into Way of Kings.
Without having read Sanderson prior, he hadn't earned my goodwill to trust him that shit would come together. It was something like 30% of the way through before something clicked and I couldn't put that thing down until I was done with it.
Then I blasted through the rest of the Cosmere books in a month, and now I'll be waiting for the next 20-30 years for this shit to end.

Fuck me.

>>11924466
mana follows the description in the bible in a lot of ways. it's a resinous substance that falls from the skies (though like shooting stars as opposed to snow as the text suggests). A piece the size of a grain of rice can be consumed to accomplish a minor feat of magic, like feeding a person for a week or throwing a fireball.

However, mana is a surrealist environmental hazard. Large quantities dispersed over a wide area, such as those caused by a substantial strike can cause a landscape to turn to fabric or cause trees to start sprouting lightbulbs. As a result of this, much of the cast are now living in an environment where the local wildlife is too bizarre to be edible and have to use the rare pieces of mana big enough to see as a food supply.

>>11924450
Yes. The more you elaborate on a magic system the less magical it becomes

>>11924528
I think that sounds cool

>>11923937
She's better.

>>11924528
Why does mana turn stuff into basically end products? If it can be used to alter reality and isn't manufactured by humans, it should probably just turn things into primordial ooze or make trees grow in fractals and shit. If it can turn nature into man-made objects, it should have some sort of connection to a shared consciousness between humans and have some sort of primal mind (no consciousness) of its own to justify somehow knowing what fabric and lightbulbs are made up of.

>>11924499
The one two punch of Jordan then Sanderson who I only read because he got hired to finish WoT has me swearing off unfinished epics.

Which... ya know... fuck I want to read Black Company.

>>11924571
I've only just started WoT, but ASOIAF has turned me off from unfinished epics. My partner got me into Sanderson, and neglected to mention what I was getting into.
I'm reading WoT to help pass the time, but I'm having a hard time at times desu. The books are so very long, and not much happens in each installment. They could be easily trimmed by 25–30% and be only better for it. Jordan was a very wordy man.

>>11924582

How far are you? Book... four? had a plot twist so neatly done it turned the whole series around for me. And Eye of the World was very slow. Partially because it was a lot of Jordan going "and we'll see this again in five books, and this in eight, and this in three, and this was a red herring" and such. After book six was the real slog. But I was so invested by then I was more willing to just roll with it and enjoy the world.

>>11924590

Also, while Sanderson starting such a huge project as the Cosmere is aggravating since he suckered us all in, at the least it's comprised of many smaller mini stories that can have satisfying ends.

Still, I remember reading the fist Mistborn after Elantris "wait, a magic pool thing again? This guy doesn't have a lot of idea.... aw fuck."

>>11924590
Very early on, about halfway through the second book. I'm committed to finishing this thing, as it's a veritable prerequisite in fantasy literature, but Eye of the World was a pain in the ass to read.
300-thousand words was far too much to say what was said. Does he get better, or is every book suffering from so much fat that could have been trimmed?

>>11924559

I've got a detailed explanation but I'm not sure how far I'll go into in the story. The short version is that the waxy stuff isn't actually the mana per say, it's something that forms around when exposed to air. Mana itself is a soliton with negative entropy, and an attraction to areas of negative entropy, such as living creatures. It usually finds its way to the brain because the brain has the highest heat output of any body part. For some reason, mana tends to react with particular potency to brain waves, amplifying them like an antenna. These can in turn effect either the body or the surroundings in potent ways. What a person can do with mana often depends on what the person is passionate about, but hunger is one thing that everything has strong feelings about.

So yeah, it's basically psionics.

>>11924617
Good stuff.

>>11924602
>a veritable prerequisite
i read book one and felt little desire to continue. i started book two a couple of times and noped out.
if they make a tv series i'd watch that

>>11924602

Yeah, Eye was a huge slog. You're just not used to his tics as a writer yet. You just don't care yet. Things improve as Great Hunt goes on. Things start to click throughout it. Especially the finale. After that I started to really feel the "tell me more" buzz. Third is solid, fourth was the big "what the fuuuuck" moment. By then I was pretty hooked. Like I said, six or seven is when the real slog the series is very known for starts, but by then it's a comfortable sort of mess if you can let yourself get a bit lost.

>>11924634
I hope I get sucked in desu
Perrin has his cool wolfman shit going on, and that's pretty dope
Rand is definitely the Dragon so I expect standard shit from him
Matt is a gigantic pussy who needs to lighten up
Nynaeve needs to be less of an angry cunt
I can't figure out if Ba'alzamon is the Dark One or not, it's ambiguous so far

There's a lot of potential here, and I really want this to be as good as people say it is.

I stopped coming here because fantasy sucks. Now I'm back and fantasy still sucks, possibly worse than before. Opinions?

>>11924654
Read moar

>>11924645
>Perrin has his cool wolfman shit going on
Interesting. I stopped reading in the middle of the first books were he meets weird wolf dude and then those stupid notGypsies.

>>11924670
So if I grind my way through another meandering tale of fairy folk and lava monsters, I'll finally learn to see?

Sounds gay, I'm in!

>>11924469
Blindsight

>>11924680
stop reading shitty books

>>11924693
Yeah no. Siri does not cut scramblers into pieces using various power tools of the future.

>>11924859
Hull Zero Three

>>11924875
Oh I was not the Dead Space anon.
But thanks for the recommendation anyway.

>>11923928
I love Throne of Glass.

>>11924397
Standard xanxia isekai shit, except the Mc is a nazi super scientist who isekais while on the run from mossad.

Also an unabashed lord of the flies rip off but with a class of young boys trapped inside a video game.

>>11924571
>I want to read Black Company
I read through the black company this year, haven't read the book that came out this fall, but the older books seemed to have an ending. It didn't have a cliffhanger as far as I could tell, so I don't think you should put off reading BC because of that

>>11924680
it may be the case that you just don't like fantasy

>>11924645
ah, how the tables turn.

Keep in mind that Mat's storyline only starts in book 3 after certain events. Many consider Mat to be their favorite character and Perrin to be their least favorite and there's good reasons for that.

>>11923919
>female protagonists
Joel Shepherd's Sasha.

I know, I know the cover and the blurb don't look appealing but the actual book is nothing like them.
I know Renegade by Joel Shepherd is highly regarded by some people here and you can expect about the same quality of writing from Sasha. It's a book that is deeply political and often times very philosophical set in a rich world. I strongly recommend reading it, even more so if you're looking for good female protagonists.

The Rook and Liveship Traders are also favorites of mine.

Robin Hobb, Garth Nix, Ursula K LeGuin, Lois McMaster Bujold and Terry Pratchett all do femanon characters well. Worth checking them all out.

>>11924678
>notGypsies
Their backstory and the way the tie into the world's bigger picture turns out to be pretty cool actually.

>>11925225
Throne of Glass is also great.
Pic related too.

>>11925256
>Coaurt Thofrns Roandses

A Song of Ice and Fire is going to end with Bran becoming GRRM's version of Emperor Leto isn't it?

>>11925309

Daily reminder that:

Sanderson is the best fantasy author of the 21st century
Malazan is the best fantasy series released in the last twenty five years
The Name of The Wind is genuinely great

>>11925538
Stop trying so hard dummy.

>>11925560
>tfw I'm being sincere and /sffg/ is too jaded to believe me

>>11925538

I geniunly want to know why name of the Wind is so popular. Is it the somewhat (by fantasy standart) decent writing or the ok magic system or a bullshit selfinsert thing where everyone sees themselves as Kvothe?

Enter the SF Gateway …

>>11925601

It's okay and could've been much better off if Rothfuss had just ended it at the first book but he wanted to create a pseudo image that he's on the next level of Tolkien.

>>11925601
It's a cool setting, good writing, interesting characters(if a bit ya'ish), interesting magic system. I genuinely want to know why you wouldn't like it. Is it a misguided hatred for hypercompetent character, because they're "mary sues" a term invented to criticize something entirely different? Is it because there's too many mundane events that set scene and character, where some autistics prefer it all written like historical A to B annals? Is it because it indulges in occassional purple prose, and that's not "cool"? They are above average books.

>>11924485
Merchant Princes is great and it's improved pretty consistently as it has gone on.

It's a shame it's his b series because I've never got into The Laundry

Are there any good SF/FA books that aren't YA with protags as jaded and misguided as Brad? I need more men like him in my life.

>>11925806
Purple prose is fine, it's just very hard to pull off well. Not many people can do it. Rothfuss' prose is alright for the most part, definitely above average when compared to the rest of the genre but that is not saying much.

>>11925601
very good marketing
easily digestible
popular wizard school setting/story

>read this
>shit prose and retarded romance, sometimes cliched but otherwise fine
>suddenly retarded separate/multiple personality bullshit at the end
There better be a good reason for this. I fucking HATE that trope.

Thanks to whoever recommended this a few days ago. Was amazing

Why are the New Sun covers airport convenience store trash novel tier?

>>11926037
fine and then sudden stupid grim twist is the entire trilogy's only dramatic device

>>11925225
>Sasha
thanks, sounds interesting and has some good reviews so i'll check it out

>>11925389
>a song of ice and fire is going to end

I have some bad news for you

>>11926063
because marketing derpartments pick covers not authors

Recommend me some edgy, anime fantasy novels, please.

>>11925806
They're probably above average, but only slightly, and they get praised out of proportion to that, so they get hated on in proportion. I don't bother with a "top 40% of fantasy novels" book, still. (Personally, I dropped it about halfway through the first book because I could tell the writing wasn't going to get to a level where I could enjoy it in spite of the terrible character/glacial plot.)

>>11926037
you don't care for Bruce Banner Hulking out? it's the only thing that ever happens in that series....other than gum sucking, that is.

Just started Children of Time

Are the human characters any important? Im having a hard time remembering their names for some reason.

Hey anon! How is it going? Hey I just found out about this "Brandon" guy and his books, decided to check them out and bought the entire Cosmere™ Jumbo Pack® !

How about you head over to your nearest store and check out some of his books, eh?

>>11926397
as unfunny as toddposting.

>>11926331
None whatsoever

>>11926331
Not really, don't worry about them

>>11926252

How about a gary stu who is perfect in all regards that is swooned on by every female? He's also emotionless and without empathy

Try King's Dark Tidings

>>11924397
A road-trip in a dying world

>>11926053
You're welcome, glad you liked Peaky Blinders in a fantasy setting. I've been shilling that for more than a week now.

Reading pic related currently, not necessarily because I want to but because nothing in my stack looked interesting and I found it for 50 cents at the thrift store. It's very decent, some parts are very typical fantasy stock but the dialogue and story are fairly inventive and surprising at times. Anyone a fan of this series?

>>11927199
i started the first book and i liked the premise. hopefully i'll be able to start reading it again soon.

Kingkiller CHronicles are the best books since Tolkien

Prove me wrong
You can't

>>11927305
They're never getting finished
A series needs a conclusion to be good

>>11924397
In a world (a lot like the one from The Knight,) there are layers of worlds. Humanity inhabits the highest, but it's forgotten how to master the lower worlds, and they're unruly. The protagonist is one of the monster bounty hunters that fights the things that try to rise up. The plot involves a few factions around him fighting over some MacGuffin that they think will let them become masters of the lower worlds again. Hoping to be done with the first draft by December.

>>11925882
Based lisa brethren

>>11927324
1. The books themselves are great even without the ending
2. It's getting finished 2019

how detailed can you get about a magic sytem before it stops being magical?

like, does saying "there are seven schools of magic, they use mana as a power source and require a rediculous amount to revive the dead" count as too detailed?

>>11927338
>they use mana as a power source
This is where you've gone too far.

>"there are seven schools of magic, reviving the dead ain't easy"
is fine.

>>11927338
>count as too detailed?
No.

>how detailed can you get about a magic sytem before it stops being magical?

When your books can be used as a (barebones) RPG rule book.

>>11927338
that's not detailed at all my friend

>>11927334
>It's getting finished 2019
Bullshit

>The books themselves are great even without the ending
So are the first three books in ASoIaF, but the series as a whole is destined to be shit unless GRRM gets off his fat ass and finishes the damn thing.

>>11927324
While kingkiller isn't the best, that's a bullshit claim. No it doesn't

>>11927349
>Bullshit
im betting 20 euros

>>11927349
>ASoIaF
couldn't even finish the first one, it's fucking horrid

>>11927338
It can be detailed as fuck, just remember the Iceberg Principle. Don't show it all off to the reader, give them just enough so that it makes sense.

>>11927357
Mr. Cool-Guy over here.
If Kingkiller explodes in popularity across Normie-Nation will you call it horrid too?

>>11927365
I don't care if books are mainstream or not.
I just don't like GRRM's writing style

>>11927371
>>11927365

I remember when /lit/ used to be civil regarding GRRM. The thread where the German anon got ADWD early was pretty fun

>>11927305
I dropped book one before I reached the halfway point and I have zero desire to continue.

>"I'm in hiding but I'll change my name only a little bit and hang my famous sword up so everyone can see it."
no.jpg

>>11924397
Caesar in Gaul, only the Gauls are all female elves.

>>11926948
Cozy

>>11927357
Kingkiller isn't good enough to wipe Tyrion's shit covered ass.

>>11927564
This

What professionals/ scholars would be most likely to be sorcerors/wizards in a fantasy setting?

Do you guys know of any novels similar to Shin Megami Tensei in tone/setting?

>>11927714
Polymaths.

Just finished reading all the Culture novels. I loved them. Culture please adopt.

>>11927780
Nanny state taken to the extreme.
Only basedboys like those novels.

>>11927811
Fuck off pedo

>>11927714
Esotericists and mysticists
STEMfags would scoff at it until the wizard uprising humiliates them, by which point it's too late

>>11927714
Depends on the magic system
>words of power
Linguists
>pact based magic
4channers, historians, schizophrenics, people that feel drawn to forbidden or alternative knowledge, /x/
>autistic anime magic (sanderson, naruto, kingkiller)
Engineers
>reality warp
Mathematicians

>>11927714
There is only one answer.

Just finished the first three books of the red rising series or whatever the fuck

I thought it was pretty good, what did you guys think?

>>11927714
Just like in current reality, real magic is kept to the secret lodges that control the world. Illuminati, unatco, freemasons, Mormons

>>11927941
I thought it kinda went downhill with the second then the third picked up and I didn't finish it

The first is impossible to reread because the jackal stuff is agonising when you already know the reveal

>...and I beg you, by the milk I gave you as a child and the kisses as a man, to stay home this one time.’
m-mommy

>>11928065
GRI approved?

>>11928076
Yes,Elf-momcest

What fantasy book would Yoko Taro like ?

>>11928148
writing is too restrictive for galaxy brain over here

>>11928043
Yeah, and I think thats how all the books are to be honest, with all the big plot twists rereading it would be pretty hard.

I just finished the third book, the ending is pretty good to be honest.

>>11928148
BoTNS

>>11928191
I stopped after the viking planet, possibly because I broke my ereader and just never went back to it

I'll probably do so once the third book in the new series nears publication

Has anyone read this?

>>11928264
>female author
>female protagonist

>>11928281
>female poster
>female thread
>female board
Makes you wonder why you're even here.

>>11928281
it cant be the usual female author/female protag drivel if it's japanese and had to be translated, r-right?

>>11928292
Japanese aren't distasteful in the way westerners are when in comes to that stuff

/sffg/, I'm trying to think of a unique and surreal artifact that can either save a life or open a portal but it's single-use and needs a specific location to open the portal

I was thinking of a key that could be used to close a wound as open a portal, but I'm worried it's too generic being a magic key and all

>>11928292
>>11928298
>translated by a western woman
It's over

>>11928307
I dunno >>11928148 this guy really likes it, and he's famous for being unapologetic about putting butts in his game.
What I'm worried about is whether the translation is just poor

>read sci fi novel describing ereader on my ereader
What a time to be alive

>>11924057
desu is a filter word you dumbass redditfag.

>>11928305
a stapler that can shut a wound and staple realities together

>>11928350
That could work, but in the 20 minutes since I posted that I started watching the latest episode of Vento Aureo. In retrospect, that answered my dilemma way better

>>11923919
Anyone got a link to the newest Undying Mercenaries by BV Larson? Stormworld

>>11928350
>>11928371

actually, maybe buttons would be better. clothing buttons. It's more original

The only reason I'm hesitating on this is that I already have in my setting an infection caused by being bit by a stuffed animal that causes buttons to grow on the patient's skin. It seems like too many buttons.

maybe velcro?

>>11928328
I'm intrigued and 300 pages isn't that bad, but I can't find an ebook of it anywhere.

>>11928135
>>11928065
Why didn't anyone tell me sooner

>>11928424
I mean, it's on Amazon. Maybe write a request on mobilism?

>>11927941
I thought it was kind of dumb. I have up when he and some randos went to a house or mansion or something. Reminded me of Hunger Games and or dystopias which I also hate.

>>11928398
Wouldn't let me post the goddamn link.

>>11928398
There is a new one?
Geez. Is James going to end up as god emperor of the galaxy?

>>11928337
Which book was it?

>>11928463
Hybrid child. Just reading the preview.

>>11923964
>>11923994
The older I get the more embarrassing I find tattoos. Especially those that reference pop culture.

>>11928281
>Mariko Ōhara (大原まり子 Ōhara Mariko, born March 20, 1959 in Osaka, Japan) is a Japanese science fiction writer. In her teens, she wrote Kirk/Spock fan fiction.
Absolutely based. Apparently the book got their equivalent of a hugo/nebula

>>11928454
Thanks anon, I appreciate it

>>11928461
Well, we can be sure he'll fuck the god emperess at least

>>11928431
Do mobilism uploaders really buy the books and upload it? I've yet to be failed by them, I've gotten everything I've requested.

>>11928536
boomers live and die for their private tracker internet points

>>11928536
I've never done it myself but I hear good things

>>11928536
>tfw I've made two requests recently and I know neither will be fulfilled

>>11928553
I offer 200 wrz and put that in the title. Nothing I've requested has taken more than 48 hours and I've requested some obscure >10 ratings on GR books.

>>11928575
Guess I should have offered more WRZ then since one of the books I requested is only a dollar on Amazon.

What's the Goblin Slayer of fantasy books?

>>11928637
Isn't that based on a web novel?

>>11928637
To my knowledge they don't make books out of broken glass and live electrical wires.

>>11928645
He never asked for that. He asked for a book made from goblin skin.

>>11928644
Based on the equivalent of a YA novel, with some illustrations thrown in here and there

>>11928637
The First Law series. Except without goblins. I’ll add that Salvatore’s stuff has some brutal shit in it, like when that one human stuffed that sprite into a bag and beat it against the wall like a hamster.

Artists rendition: https://youtu.be/3hhz6XajfDs

Is there a fantasy book in a Norse Mythology setting? Sort of like Latro but with Norse gods instead of Greek ones.

i wanna read codex alera is it good or meme

>>11928767
It's entirely fine for a young adult series that was made because somebody challenged Butcher to combine "Pokemon and Romans" and make it not bad.

>>11928762
The Broken Sword by Poul Anderson

>>11928805
Sounds pretty cool.
I have never read anything by Poul Anderson but this seems like a good place to start.

Are magic keys overdone?

>>11928961
What does it unlock?

>>11928994
Your legs, slut.

>>11928994
anything. It can also lock things back together

>>11928994
Loli harems

>>11929005
You don't need a key for that. You just need to promise to hug me tight

>>11927896
>autistic anime magic
>kingkiller
Sympathy is not autistic nor anime, it's a beautiful melding of science and magic, you pleb

I saw William Gibson's Burning Chrome at my local book store, should I buy it or pirate it?

>>11929024
*hugs you tight*

>>11929031
>2018
>buying books
>supporting lazy fatass authors that do nothing all day except rest on their laurels, say they are working on their books which won't be released for another 20 years - providing the author doesn't die first

always pirate everything

>>11926887
Sounds about right. Thanks.

>>11929039
Go ahead and steal all you want you fag but ffs stop with the far fetched justifications.

>>11929051
>with the far fetched justifications
I don't need justifications, I'm a klepto, but the other anon might.
And they aren't farfetched either.

>>11929051
>trying to argue with piratefag justifications
Why do you do this to yourself, friend?

>>11929039
You should absolutely buy books from right-wing/non-soi writers. Pirate the rest.

>>11929066
based and redpilled

Speaking of pirates, is this thing any good?

>>11929066
Who are some right-wing fantasy writers?

>>11929089
never read it, but if it's a series I'll assume the first is okay to good, the rest shit.
As is always the case with pirate media.

Pirates are the worst for storytellinb

>read Black Company
>it's shit
>read Name of the Wind
>it's shit
>read Red Rising
>it's shit
>read Gormenghast
>dude descriptions lmao XD

I am never listening to sffg's recommendations ever again

>>11929098
What HAVE you actually enjoyed, nerd?

>>11929098
Tell us some books you liked so we can tell you to leave.

>>11929108
>>11929111
His Dark Materials, Blood Meridian, Forever War

>>11929119
>Forever War

David Drake's Hammer's Slammers stories, and the standalone Redliners.

>>11929098
>>read Name of the Wind
>>it's shit
get out

>>11929098
Why don't you read Stormlight champ

>>11929150
I should have added that to the list, it's also shit and I can't understand why the author needs to force his autistic pictures of the world on us instead of letting the reader imagine it for themselves.

>>11929098
>read Gormenghast
>dude descriptions lmao XD
You know, there's a place they will love you for who you are.
>>>/trash/

>>11929156
Sanderson isn't half as descriptive as Jordan was

>>11929098
Try Throne of Glass.

Why is writing a plot so hard /sffg/? I've been trying for three damn years and I just can't get it to happen.

>>11929119
what did you like about His Dark Materials? Were you more a fan of the first book or the second? I might be able to give a rec based on that

>>11929090
Not fantasy but Dan Simmons the sci fi writer of Hyperion fame is a right wing nutter.

His book Flashback is set in a near future dystopian in which
>global warming and climate change are proven myths
>America went broke after Obama got elected spending all it's money on social entitlement programs and researching green technologies
>the world is ruled by Islamic Caliphate now operating out of Europe
>9/11 is celebrated as a national holiday and the WTC ground zero is now home to the biggest mosque in the world
>military has been disbanded
>the last bastions of free speech, the right wing radio hosts have been banned and are only able to broadcast their message through pirate stations
>90% of the population are drug addicts
>female president
>oh and the Mexicans have invaded and taken control of the south west

That's just off the top of my head, there's a lot more of that.

>>11929193
>sci fi
That's where I stopped reading

>>11929181
Got you covered my man, now proceed to shit out a doorstopper every few months
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI2UsHU4Htk

>>11929181
Ideas are cheap anon
Where are you running into problems?

>>11929216
long story short, my thoughts are a chaotic mess of squirming plot points, new ideas, and changing demands. I honestly need a sounding board to figure this out, but none of my friends or family want to do it and neither do randos on the internet.

I'm pretty sure that if I just had someone sit there and ask me "Why" or "Then what?" ever time I spouted out a scene, it would help me organize my thoughts

>>11929193
>right wing nutter
Except a lot of those are coming true.

>>11929237
Reality is right wing

>>11929181
>what did you like about His Dark Materials

The alternate world, Lyra's childlike wonder and how she is forced to adapt and grow up. Second book I loved the travelling between worlds and my favorite parts were in the ghost city.

>>11929250
>sadistic
>insane
>so stupid it's unbelievable half the time

yup. reality is definitely right-wing

>>11929156
>instead of letting the reader imagine it for themselves.
The worst kind of meme.

>>11929200
Say what you want about his writing, but the guy has way better work ethic than the vast majority of writers. I honestly don't know how he does it, the fucker juggles a half dozen different things at once and still puts out books faster than people can pump out babies. What drugs is he on and where can I get some?

>>11929229
You need a writing group
If you're near a city or large town you might be able to find one in meatspace. I've been thinking about starting one on discord or something

>>11929291
maybe it has to do with passion? I've written a novel before and did like 90% of it in 2.5 months, but I was never too passionate about it in the sense that I thought it would be my magnum opus. Meanwhile, this story I'm struggling with has been on my mind multiple times per day every single day for the past three years.

Maybe it's easier when it's something you're proud to create but not obsessed with

>>11929301
Which is your favourite meatspace? My local restaurant district has one where is has carcasses hanging in a refrigerated wall that is the front wall of the building

>>11929301
a discord would work better for me since my chaotic though process bleeds over into my ability to communicate and as a result I've kind of got a speech impediment IRL

>>11929039
>supporting lazy fatass authors
>Gibson
>fat

>>11929263
You're projecting.

>>11929250
lmao

>>11929316
It's natural to fear in one's self that which one sees in those they hate

>>11929333
Still projecting, anon.

>>11929368
no u

>>11929229
Try outlining. Also try coming up with the final scene so that you know where to end up. Have you learned about plot structure at all from podcasts or books?

>>11929384
I have the final scene and I have a good idea of a number of scenes that have to happen along the way. The problem is that when I try to outline my brain starts rearranging and second-guessing shit faster than I can form a story.

I've never used any books, podcasts or classes to guide me, but maybe that was a mistake. my first novel did have a lot of issues that could have been fixed with guides

I think I know right now which gap in the plot is most critical to figure out I just need some time and work to figure it out and MAYBE it will have a cascade effect for the rest of the plot

>>11929237
literally 0 of those have come true

>>11929423
Write down 1 outline. Any time you get a different idea, jot it down as a note on a separate piece of paper. Don't think that the outline has to be perfect or even good. Don't think of your goal as writing a good outline. Your goal is to get a complete outline down on paper, and that's it. Then afterwards you can go and fuck with it as much as you want.

>>11923919
>Female protagonist
The Hero and the Crown. One of my favorite books growing up. I haven't read it in 15+ years, but I've been eyeing it on my shelf recently.

>The Boatman resumed his station beneath the peering, his eyes lost to the shadow of his brows, his forehead and cheeks white and scrotal
>his forehead and cheeks white and scrotal
>white and scrotal
>scrotal
You know, Bakker, just because you say, "his face looked like a nutsack," in a more intelligent way doesn't make the fact you described a face as looking like a nutsack any less cringe. Especially when this description wasn't for comedic intentions.

a bunch of Patricia McKillip and Lois McMaster Bujold books have female protagonists, and they're both really good writers

>>11929432
I said COMING true, illiterate anon.

>>11929457
Even the Trump Administration doesn't deny climate change

>>11929463
Pretty much every climate predication made since they started scare-mongering about the climate decades ago has been wrong.

>>11929472
the predictions are sensationalist and hysterical, but the observations are solid

>>11929472
You have to be an actual retard to not understand that the climate is changing.

A drooling, knuckle dragging mongoloid.

>>11929477
>OKAY YEA THE CLIMATE "SCIENTISTS" SAID WE'D BE IN AN ICE AGE YEARS AGO AND THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN
>AND YEA CLIMATE "SCIENTISTS" SAID THE WORLD WOULD BE AN OVEN AT THIS POINT IN TIME A DECADE AGO AND THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN EITHER
>BUT I SWEAR THE NEXT TIME THE RIDICULOUS PREDICTION WILL COME TRUE!
If the climate is changing it has nothing to do with us and the """"scientists"""" on climate are regularly wrong. Facts are facts. Don't get upset over reality, anon.

>>11929488

Get a load of this colossal faggot lmao

>>11929488
>you browse this thread with people this moronic

WoT thread

>>>/tv/104831815
>>>/tv/104831815
>>>/tv/104831815

>>11929488
>If evolution is real why are there still monkeys?
libtards and their stupid ass conspiracies...baka

>>11929488
>scientists ought to be immaculate prophets, otherwise all of their work ought to be discarded.
What did he mean by this?

Just finished reading 2001 for the first time , and then watched the film right afterwards. Holy shit, I've never experienced something that felt that immense

>>11929423
There's lots of good books and podcasts and YouTubes. Almost any will do for a beginner.
How many words have you written outside of the outline?

>>11929229
Maybe try doing the sounding board with some of your characters. Get into their heads and try to justify all the shit that's gonna happen to them.

>>11929638
>straw man
>>11929649
>LISTEN AND BELIEVE

So I just recently found out about this series and the fact that this guy is THE original white-haired, pale swordsman character that inspired many others after.
Are his books any good though? I don't mind if they are edgy.

>>11929791
everyone who copied it did it better

>>11929791
Those original stories definitely have their fans and have been a big influence on lots of writers, but I personally found the character of Elric to be pretty boring. Moorcock wanted him to be the 'anti-Conan' and that's exactly how he feels to me: emo and dull. But I've only managed to read two and a half stories so maybe he gets better? I dunno. I think Elric is like a coin flip for most readers: some will love him and some won't. I HIGHLY recommend the French comic adaptions though. The art is beautiful and Elric isn't boring at all in those.

>>11926475
u fuckin wot? toddposting is legendary

>>11929090
John c wright. The golden age is basically a utopian ancap society and you cannot prove me wrong

>>11929090
Not fantasy but Michael Crichton. State of fear is going schizophrenic about how global warming is made up nonsense

>>11929848
have you read / do you like Conan

>>11929895
Of course. They're some of the greatest Sword & Sorcery stories ever.

We are awash in a see of bad fantsy.
Any of you homos reading sci-fi? Something good, something new, something I won't get from Salon's top 10 lists as most of the recommendations here.

>>11930006
what are you looking for in your sf

>>11930015
>what are you looking for in your sf
QUALITY

Just give me some mix between Game of Thrones (for politics) and LotR with morally grey protagonist focused on his goals and evil waifu on his side, saving the world and living happily ever after.

>>11930045
Maybe anime is more your speed?

>>11930051
Not really, I don't like art style.

>>11924397
Korgoth of Barbaria meets Sin City

>>11930029

Hyperion, by Dan Simmons. Only read book 1 but it was good fun.

>>11930069
Motherfucker what did I say about Salon's top lists? Why would you rec something that everyone and their grandma read?
I want something new and fresh.
Oh and the quality kind of drops off as the series progresses. Just so you know.

>>11930045

The Trysmoon Saga

>>11930045
The Black Company
The Second Apocalypse

>>11930100
>>11930101
Thanks for suggestions.
>black company
YOU PICKED THE WRONG WAIFU

>>11924397
>What's your story about, anons?
Aliens coming to conquer a fantasy world that has different fantasy races, but humans are the preeminent race and the other races help the aliens destroy the main human empire since the other races hate humans for being the most powerful and wide-spread. Sort of like what the Spanish did to the Aztecs with the smaller tribes the Aztec oppressed. And the story would be set AFTER all of that happens; so it's like a post-apocalypse story in a fantasy world where humans are the outcasts trying to survive in a world now ruled by aliens and the other races of the world who hate them. Also the aliens would be more of a fantasy version of aliens as opposed to having flying saucers and laser guns and shit.

So what's a good book from japan?

>>11930136
Sounds shitty desu senpai.

>>11930145
Technically not FROM Japan, but Six Expressions of Death.

>>11930150
It's literally the greatest fantasy concept ever.

>>11930156
Truly a masterpiece in the making.

>>11930153
But that's the one thing I wanted. Also it being good

>>11930169
>Japan
>good
HA!

wtf I hate indians now

>>11930183
You haven't worked with them I take it.

>>11929791
I liked the Elric series. I also liked the Corum and Hawkmoon semi-related series too

>>11930156
sounds like sanderson desu

Is there anything more pathetic than authors who rate their own books five stars on Goodreads?

>>11930241
Authors rating their books with 4 stars.

>>11930246
authors rating their books 3 stars

>>11930253
I think that's the point where they can claim to do it ironically or "neutrally".

>>11930241
Redpill me on Rothfuss.

>>11925882

Any Philip K Dick novel.

>>11930226
It does not.

>>11930456
lol yeah it does get educated idiot

>>11930458
>lol yeah it does get educated idiot
Oh the ironing.

>>11930278
Just look at him.

>>11930456
Not that anon but it really does.
It has that animesque quality, for lack of a better word, that Sanderson is known for.

>>11930460
>Just look at him.
Looks like a gnome, maybe inbred dorf.

>>11930460
>It has that animesque quality
It does not. The idea of aliens attacking a fantasy world I got from Krull.

>>11930467
And the rest I came up with from a recent novella written by a writer heavily influenced by the like of Vance and Howard.

>>11930467
>confronted with the fact that my idea isn't the most original
>NO U!!!!!

>>11930466
That is not the look of a good author.

>>11930467
>>11930471
I am sorry to say this anon but an all out attack by aliens/ Dark Lord/ Big Bad is a staple of anime and vidya. Not exactly the bastions of originality.
Even the current crop of fantasy has moved from that. Take Baru Cormorant and unsurprisingly boring move into fantasy economics.

Now this is the look of a great writer.

>narrated by Kate Reading

>>11930516
I have an urge to violate her.

>>11930517
>Narrated by Michael Kramer

>>11930516
can i get a quick rundown on this series?

>>11930527
>MAGNA
>CUM
>LOAD

>>11930527
The usual fantasy crap.

>>11930527
Caleana Sardothien, young woman assassin, is betrayed and sentenced to the salt mines of Endovier. After a year, however, she is given an opportunity: If she wins a contest to become the king's champion, she will be granted a four-year contract, working as an assassin for the empire she hates, at the end of which time she will be freed.

It's awesome.

>>11930579
sounds like dude hunger games with swords lmao
also >muh assassins are cool

>>11924397
>What's your story about, anons?

Honest-to-god MMO isekai. Sort of.
The game world became reality, but something went very wrong in the process. Multiple people fused into one, memories missing or contradicting with each other, game mechanics being brute forced to be compatible with physics and monster from beyond invading as the opportunity arises.
Then it gets weird when the players get back to Earth.

>At that moment there was a knock on the door, and Sam came in. He ran to Frodo and took his left hand, awkwardly and shyly. He stroked it gently and then he blushed and turned hastily away.
>'Hullo, Sam!' said Frodo.
>'It's warm!' said Sam. 'Meaning your hand, Mr. Frodo. It has felt so cold through the long nights.

>>11930658
gays are not welcome in this community

>>11930690
So you're saying the scene is gay?

>>11930716
I'm saying you have to be gay or a woman to infer that from that passage

>>11930579
>It's awesome.
No it's not.

>>11930725
You haven't even read it, meanwhile I am at book 5.

>>11930743
>how can you say shit tastes bad when you haven't even eaten shit yet? i'm swallowing my fifth log and its awesome

>>11930749
How can you possible judge a book without even reading the first paragraph?

>>11930758
>female author
>female protagonist
>YA fiction

>>11930743
>meanwhile I am at book 5.
OMG!

>>11930758
Because of the uniformity of the genre. The good folks at whichever house publishes this crap have read it, saw how bad it is and accordingly labeled it and marketed it to a certain demographic. Everything, from the artwork, the blurb , the other authors commenting on it is designed to sell it to that demographic. I am sorry to say this but people with even a modicum of taste are not part of that demographic.
The modern fantasy has gotten so bad and uniform that actually good novels have to be crow-bared into some arbitrary category in order to even hit the shelves.

>>11930784
>actually being a contrarian unironically.

It sells because it's good, end of.

Should I read this or Dark Matter

>>11930805
I am sure it will get a TV series adaption, it's that good. Maybe Netflix will pick it up.

>>11930823
The Dank Matter sounds better.

>>11930805
>But her ears had pricked when he’d introduced himself to her overseer as Chaol Westfall, Captain of the Royal Guard, and suddenly, the sky loomed, the mountains pushed from behind, and even the earth swelled toward her knees. She hadn’t tasted fear in a while—hadn’t let herself taste fear.
>...
>Still, she felt his eyes upon her face, judging, weighing, testing. She stared right back. The Captain of the Royal Guard would be an interesting opponent. Maybe even worthy of some effort on her part.
stopped reading right here

>>11930842
Shieeeet that is some powerful writing about a powerful female character.
Yaaas, queen, slay, etc.

>>11930851
>>11930842
>judging a series by cherrypicking 2 sentences.
Incels detected.

>>11930854
Heh... not bad.... almost made me use 10% of my power....

>>11930854
The name calling is completely unwarranted. I am serious when I say that the series has some powerful writing that leaves a lasting impact. As stated here >>11930826 I hope Netflix picks it up. They have a great track record when it comes to adaptions.

>>11930871

>>11930909
Not everyone who shares your admiration for this literary masterpiece is a troll anon.

>>11930934
The Filipino is cute.

>>11930939
That's a jungle Asian?
I thought it was an Indian or something.

>>11930948
Definitely looks like a jungle Asian.

>>11930948
looks hawaiian to me

>>11930970
>>11930973
I stand corrected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq1zPIG_1Os

>>11930987
That's a man baby!

How do you guys learn about new releases in SF&F?

I've always used 4chan as a source of recs because its reliably contrarian and at times devoted to unearthing reliquae to contrast it to the dearth of modernity, but I kind of wish there was a podcast or review site that I could kind of trust, if not in ethics, in a general sense of taste.

NEW EDITION

>>11931097
>>11931097
>>11931097
>>11931097
>>11931097
>>11931097

>>11929477

But the climate has always been changing, the late medieval era had a great warming period, it was so dramatic that vineyards were made in northern France. Its a perfectly normal thing that doesn't necessitate communism 2.0 to fix.

>>11930978

This badass duel-wielding assassin looks so very hungry