/lit/ - Literature

>not writing your own story

>>11912875
Gormenghast.
>Why is it shit?
Because it's all long-winded and nothing happens.
>Also what's the least shit book you've read this year?
Same answer. Despite the half-assed excuses I made up for it being shit, it's actually great.

>>11912879
Speak for yourself. I have two new ones coming in the near future and two or three more in the works after that.

>Why haven't you read Black Company yet anon?

>>11912895
I was going to read it at one point, but then you started your spamming spree and I decided I didn't want to be associated with autists like yourself.

>>11912895
Read Stormlight.

>>11912890
>I have two new ones coming in the near future

What are they about? Goodreads link?

>>11912931
No Goodreads for either one as of yet - I haven't gotten that far. But I've edited them pretty well.

The first one involves a young girl exploring the spooky countryside her family moved in, and getting involved in all sorts of dark business.
The second one starts with an established and well-known hero guy settling in an inn of a small pirate town and starting to tell stories - kinda like Name of the Wind except his bullshit is actually obvious - then later getting involved in the town's own problems and pulling Fistful of Yojimbos on its two feuding gangs.

I finally figured out the shape of the story I've wanted to write for three or four years. Time to steal Wolfe's style like a fucking gremlin and churn out something longer than 20k words for a change. I'll be sure to shill here in a year or whatever.

>>11913010
>stealing from the dead

>>11913016
Way better than stealing from the living. Dead people aren't going to come complain.

Also the dead authors wrote a lot better than anyone contemporary.

>>11913016
>>11913016
>>11913016
daily reminder!!!

>>11912899
Seethe

>he STILL reads fantasy in prose rather than in procedural ASCII-like tile grids

What's a quick and easy way to acquire a lot of WRZ$ on Mobilism without getting banned?

>>11913112
would writing a dwarf fortress novel be considered a litrpg?
i mean making mechanisms and drowning elves in lava would be all par for the course.

>>11912904
this but unironically

>>11913149
using the barebones plot points/narratives of a session of DF can create a great novel as long as the writer is good enough. but the writer would have to fill in a lot.

I'm writing a fantasy novella about a young knight and a tsundere warrior princess teaming up to acquire a macguffin. He's always had a thing for her, but she can't stand him at first. The two gradually grow to care for one another and get together at the end. There's lots of snarky banter, blushing, and awkward romantic tension. Almost all of my stories feature a strong female lead but she's shown to be more or less equal to the male lead, although if someone needs to die, get captured, or become heavily wounded to advance the plot, it's a guy.

>>11913214
Gay. Write a novella about an iron-thewed barbarian king saving his loli harem from Cthulhu-worshiping frogmen instead.

>>11913134
Didn't even know you could get banned. I just make alt accounts every time I need a book to give myself around 200 wrz, never more than that and use it all on my request. Haven't been banned yet.

>>11913243
I have no idea if you can get banned or not, but making a bunch of accounts to give yourself more WRZ$ sounds like something they'd ban you over.

I hate these threads.

>>11913261
Then go away, hide them, and don't let yourself be bothered by them. You have enough real problems in your life as it is.

>>11913254
That's what I figured too initially that's why I always kept the number low but I have yet to be banned, done like 6 requests. But I did figure it'd be weird initially if I had had 200 wrz right away with only a single post under my name so I made some random posts here and there first to raise that number.

>>11913261
Do you like the content discussed but not the discussion? Or do you hate both?

>>11912875
I just finished everything related to the Foundation and the Robots stuff that Asimov wrote and now Im not sure what to read after that. I liked how Asimov wrote his stuff but I feel I need to read something by someone else.

Any fun space opera novels happening on space stations, on interstellar travel flights, with smugglers, traders, halfwits? Doesn't need to be humorous.

>>11913396
But do you WANT it to be humorous? If so then check out the Rex Nihilo books. And I haven't read them yet, but I was recommended the Deathstalker books by Simon Green for over the top space opera. There's also Jack Vance's Space Opera which is about a literal opera troupe in space.

>>11913396
Murderbot Diaries is sort of like that, it's a 4 Novella series. First one isn't much like that but from the second onwards it's a story of a humanoid ai travelling from station to station and acting as a bodyguard to humans it runs into.

>>11913422
I want them to be well written. I'd rather if they had well executed tonal shifts, like if Pynchon wrote a space opera but I know that's too much to ask.

>>11913425
Will check it out

Basically I want a book that reads like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WQCzcHsAYg&t=0s&index=9&list=PL5UyaJ4tfEqxL5snKrrBGKC_PS2Tn9Maa

ALWAYS REMEMBER that science fiction isa path for the sorts of DEMONS that prosper under the CARTESO-SPINOZAN PARADIGM...stick with fantasy that affirms proper monist (OR AT LEAST MONOTHEISTIC!) metaphysics (Rober Joradn and John Ronald Rueld Tolkien)

>>11913517
Did you stop taking your meds again anon?

>>11913534
having read ANTI-OEDIPUS I have come to reject the practices associated with PSYCHOPATHERAPY

>>11913562
That's nice. Since PSYCHOPATHERAPY isn't real it's good that you've come to reject practices associated with whatever it is.

>>11913592
stop pretending to be STUPID

I recommend Ancient Ruins for anyone looking for a fun quick read.

>>11913604
What if I want a depressing long read?

>>11913610
Dhalgren
You are too weak to finish it anyways

>>11913598
Not all of us naturally gifted at it like you are anon, we have to do our best and pretend.

>>11913610
/b/

>>11913625
He said depressing not mind numbingly boring.

>summerfags back to school
>threads become unbearable

>>11913648
You must really miss all the Sanderson posts.

>>11913610
Brothers Karamazov

>>11912996
Please stop...just please stop writing and let the horror end

>>11913016
Gene Wolfe isn’t dead though?

>>11913396
Stainless steel rat

>>11913693
Not that guy but you need to stop wasting oxygen immediately.

>>11913697
Proof?

This series is literally perfect and I'm pretty sure the writer is an oldfag on 4chan or someshit. There were at least a few obvious fucking memes from like 2010 some of them were from anime too.

The afterword of the vol 2 disturbed me a little though. He says he'll be keeping the DEMON FUTA ASS FUCK AND DEEPTHROAT scenes to a minimum cuz of the faggot SJWs who spam his page with their retardation on goodreads. I found them quite fun to read.

Thanks for letting me know about this book anon!!!

>>11913396

>>11913739
that woman is HUGE!

>>11913729
I wasn't impressed.

>>11913712
>proof
He wrote his last book 2015 and I remember he had heart surgery late last year. It’s surprisingly hard to find any current information about him but trust me if he died he’s important enough to have multiple famous authors mentioning how influential he was to their work and the genre.

>>11913754
we really need a list rating all the female characters in books and categorizing them into STICC or THICC.

Vimes is my spirit animal.

WoT - TV show thread
>>>/tv/104706527
>>>/tv/104706527
>>>/tv/104706527
>>>/tv/104706527

What's your favourite fantasy battle?

>>11914005
lol I can't wait to see how Marvel fags up the Conan comic with shit like this.

What's this general's opinion on Dune? I'm currently at 18%

>>11914005
This along with the Witcher is gonna kill any hope of another book series being adapted anytime soon, let alone well.

Reading Old Man's War
Has some interesting stuff going on but I think I preferred Forever War
They're both similar in theme and general feel

>>11914167
some people fail to understand that >>>/tv/104707453

>>11914167
The new Lord of the Rings is the one I dread most.

>>11914072
>Conan
>comics
Those words don’t belong together

>>11914210
>he doesn't know Conan comics have been a thing for decades and and some are actually good

>read LOTR
>it's shit

>>11914172
>They're both similar in theme and general feel
No they are not.

>>11914325
oooooo ok

>>11914264
Not anymore they’re not ;^)

>>11914305
t. ugly person

>136 KENP's (pages read off a Kindle Unlimited ebook order) read yesterday

Oh, wow, someone's actually interested in my indie published ebook. Or a few people are at least semi-interested. My cover isn't even that great. This sapling might become a mighty oak after all.

>>11914005
didnt the dirctor or some women working on it say that they were gonna adapt it to modern values and morals which include diversity and feminism?
i mean the WoT books were pretty diverse in the cast to begin with. does that mean all the relationship triangles and harems arent gonna happen? or is everyone now a stronk independant womyn who dont need no man, who incendentally has a harem of men willing to do their every bidding including kissing bubus good.

>>11914372
youre gonna make it brah.
seriously nowadays you dont need a publisher. one hit is enough to get the ball rolling. once you have a decent following make a blog or website and post monthly updates. later down the line you can even have a fucking patreon.

>>11914400
read the thread brah all that shit is being discussed straight at the beginning with twitter excerpts from what seems to be the senior writer who did agents of shield lol

>>11914417
OH GOD
THE GUY WAS A CONTESTANT ON FUCKING SURVIVOR

>>11914447
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSi66XF3X8Y

>>11914400
>>11914417
>>11914447
>>>/tv/

>>11914469
it's a book adaptation you niggeroid

>>11913396
>>11913422 makes a good suggestion. I'd further recommend "Ports of Call" and "Lurulu" for tramp-steamer-in-space.

>>11914372
>tfw a fetish story you wrote years ago has tens of thousands of pageviews and there wouldn't be a way for you to capitalize on that even if you wanted to, which you definitely don't

>>11914447
>447▶>>11914468 >>11914469
>File: 3688648.jpg (43 KB, 430x296)
dude someon eon tv was on tv !

>>11914472
You're shitting up the thread

>>11914481
oh shit i'm sorry
SOULCATCHER WAIFU??? HAHAHA REAL DISCUSSION GUYS LETS TALK ABOUT SOULCATCHER? SHE'S MY WAIFU BTW

>>11913382
Awhile ago, my friend and I swap-borrowed Foundation for Legend by D. Gemmell. I enjoyed both

>>11914476
>2kb image
You're an embarrassment.

>>11914518
You're a mistake

My wife has ordered for me The Night Land. Has anyone read it? It seems obscure, and all I've heard is that it's dense. Some cunt also suggested skipping the first chapter if it's too boring.

Tell me if it's worth it because I've a fair reading list before me

holyshitholyshitholyshit

That story I posted about here, the one about the guy taking a train to an alternate universe is finally coming together: and it's coming together good!

There's still stuff to figure out but I'm fucking flipping my shit. Holy fuck.

>>11914068
Honestly, my favorite battles are all scifi. The Leviathan fight in Worm was a fucking rollercoaster, and Enders game was all clever tactics that were fun to read.

>>11914372
wow anon, that's pretty good for an indie publication.

If I end up getting my first novel published I hope I can get that much interest

>>11914476
Same boat, man, but I'm not sure the 60 year old hypnofetishist cretins on Literotica are the "buying books" type, anyhow.

Is this just as shitty as Name of the wind or should.I give it a go

>great action
>cuck story
Is this series worth continuing? I see that it's finished now.

>>11914557
This was discussed in the last thread if you're interested. Check it out if you want. tl;dr Yeah, it's pretty much Name of the Wind, If you liked NotW and want more of the same you could read it. This idiot of an author copied everything including passages directly from NotW and changed the setting into space and used Red Rising's quasi Roman system with classes and dna/gene augmentations for nobles trope.

Go for it if you like the sound of that but there's not single shred of originality or wit in the entire book.

>>11914557
>Epic science fiction at its most genuinely epic

>>11914557
Even >>11911366 is better.

>>11914172
>>11914344
They’re really not though. Old Man’s war is fairly light hearted and thematically more focused on space exploration and the repercussions of being able to trade out your old body. Forever War has a much more serious tone with a big focus on the mental toll of war and the effects of time when fighting across the cosmos.

Full disclosure, I couldn’t bring myself to finish Forever War. I dropped it right after their first combat engagement and never looked back. I know it’s a product of the Vietnam War, but the mentality of the main character and his experience with combat is so far away from mine and those I work with I couldn’t stand reading it.

Also Starship Troopers and Armor are superior power armor/space military books.

>>11914557
It's not nearly as good as the genuinely great name of the wind

>>11914787

>>11912895
Soulcatcher is a girl?

>>11914599
>This idiot of an author copied everything including passages directly from NotW
Fucking kek. I didn't expected it to be that bad.

>>11914536
>Long ago, a man fell in love with a beautiful woman. He married her, and then she died; he dreamed that they would meet again, at the end of time.

I've read it. I absolutely loved it HOWEVER, the author uses a pseudo-Elizabethan style that many people, even sophisticated readers, simply cannot get past.

You owe it a try -- it is an astounding feat of imagination and very influential, and makes a serious impact on readers that "get it". Give it fifty pages and if you absolutely cannot stand it anymore, go ahead and drop it. If you're feeling even a little bit intrigued however, keep going.

>>11914766
>the mentality of the main character and his experience with combat is so far away from mine and those I work with I couldn’t stand reading it.

Ha, someone else feels this way. If it helps you make sense of things:

>Starship Troopers is about a volunteer in a professional military who likes the life.
>Forever War is about a draftee in a conscript army who hates military life.
>Armor is a Hollywood blockbuster.

>>11914172
I tried reading that and The Collapsing Empire but I had to give up on both of them. I don't think I'll ever try a Scalzi book again. Old Man's War was a cliched piece of shit and The Collapsing Empire was the dumbest fucking thing with the overuse of both the words piss and fuck being part of the problem.

Tfw at work reading Throne of Glass.

Is this the best feeling?

>>11914993
I didn't realize shitposting was Throne of Glass. Maybe it's not so bad after all.

What's a good Fantasy series with characters from different races? I don't care if they are cliché races like Dwarfs and Elves, I just wanna read something that feels like an adventure involving different types of characters.

Croaker is my waifu

>>11915039
t. soulcatcher

>>11912875

>>11912875
Just finished Gormenghast, will probably take a short break, reading some other shit, before I start Titus Alone.
>Why is it shit?
It's a little too slow from time to time. Some quite major things happen in a very offhand way and just because it's convenient for the plot.
>Also what's the least shit book you've read this year?
The Gormenghast trilogy is up there. So is Latro in the Mist, The Mists of Avalon and a couple of non-SF&F books.

>>11912875
>what are you reading now
Moderan by David R Bunch
>Why is it shit?
not far enough in to have a real verdict on it
>what's the least shit book you've read this year?
War Porn, by Roy Scranton. It's not quite SFF but it utilizes a lot of SFF attitudes

>>11915039

that is far too handsome

is there any good space-horror book? like alien films maybe. I really don't know much about this.

>>11915172

Blindsight by Peter Watts

>>11915172
Audible did a few Alien audiodramas that are quite good. First one is the best, second one is a bit shitter and i didn't like the third one's story that much. It's full of good actors though. There are a shitload of Alien books too but i can't speak to their quality

>>11915200
When I was reading Blindsight I was thinking of how well it could be adapted to a horror movie. At least until it goes all existential horror.

>>11915217
i listened to alien: out of the shadows and i found it pretty entertaining.

>>11915224
Yeah that one's the best. The second one is about the fall of Hadley's Hope, the performances are great (especially the marine commander) but the story is a bit weak.

>>11912875
>WHAT ARE YOU READING NOW EDITION:
The Blade Itself
>>Why is it shit?
The writing is abhorrent. I fucking hate it. Apart from that it's good though. I'm pleasantly surprised.
>>Also what's the least shit book you've read this year?
Gormenghast.

Any rec's for some chill fantasy books? Think the parts of NotW where Kvothe just tries to live day by day in the university.
Mundane and non-epic, but not uninteresting.

>>11915249
stick with it my guy he gets better and better with each new book and its worth sticking around to the end

>>11915265
A court of thornes and roses is probably the recommendation for you.

>>11915284

>>11915290
The original question already name-dropped Name of the Wind. It was a lost cause.

>>11912875
>Monthly Reading for October: Sword in the Storm (The Rigante, #1) by David Gemmell

I have now finished it. How far are you others? I look forward to discussing the book, and selecting our next one.

>>11915338
>How far are you others?
I got a little past the midpoint before I got sick of it and quit. It's probably a good thing that we occasionally read something that's shit, just to give context, but I still hope the next pick will be something genuinely good.

>>11915342

This was my time participating in the book club. I was warned before that the book would be bad - that is why I look forward to the next one. I had never heard of the book previously, and I browse this place fairly often, so I'm curious how it got picked.

>>11915347
>I'm curious how it got picked
Given how thoroughly negative the reception has been here whenever it's brought up, the only explanation I can think of is that we got memed.

>>11912875
You guys got any books that are about a post apocalyptic world?Just tell me the name,no spoilers please.

>>11915359
Shannara

>>11915359
BotNS

>>11915362
>Shannara
Thanks pal,I will check it out.Are there any books about a nuclear apocalypse and its aftermath?I like fallout,I think it would be a great concept for a book.
Especially the first two games.
Got anything similar to that?

>>11915359
Book of the New Sun.

>>11915370
Broken Empire

>>11915359
History of the Runestaff

>>11915359
Throne of Glass

>>11915359
Earth Abides
Alas, Babylon
On The Beach
A Canticle for Leibowitz
I Am Legend
Lucifer’s Hammer
The Postman
The Road

Don't listen to that shanana guy.

>>11914588
It isn't even worth starting. Fuck Miles Cameron

>>11915338
How much gri were in the books? Did anyone try to sleep with their sister and mother? Gemmell seems to be our type of pervert.

>>11915572
Elaborate?

>>11915572
gay rape incest? yuri or yaoi?

>>11915359
>>11889813
>83 apocalypse themed science fiction novels
>https://rapidgator dot net/file/78603e25d76a809f9c2027b3efa6a633/Apocalypses.7z.html

So what's happening on /v/ that's driving this apocalypse interest, anyways?

Can someone recommend me some fantasy? I just don't know what to read anymore. I simply cannot get into anime/YA tier stuff like Sanderson's at all, and I've read most other epic fantasy stuff, from Malazan to Second Apocalypse, and I've checked out most of the stuff listed in our image compilations as well.
Is there nothing new out? Surely there must've been something new these past 10 years.. I could even read some franchise stuff or literal fanfic if it isn't awful. But I just tried to pick up one of those WH Skaven novels and the writing was atrociously bad. It's almost like the author went out of his way to structure every fucking sentence exactly the same length and drive me crazy, with the most generic descriptions I've come across on the level of a D&D session transcription.

>>11915622
You're out of luck. Nothing good has been written since Tolkien.

>>11915622

>>11915628
Who is she?

>>11912875
Hello, /sffg/, I'm new to your generals but I was wondering if anyone knew some good recommendations for fantasy novels that have unicorns in them?
Peter S Beagle's The Last Unicorn I've already read and I didn't realise I wanted more adventures and frolicking and songs with magic horses.

I mean, I'm a-asking for a friend...

>>11915633
file name

>>11914478
>muh all or nothing argument
It’s a question of relativism. A porn actor has been on tv and by your logic that’s just as good as being an a list actor

>>11915043
>they did not end up together
;_:

>>11915665
>I didn't realise I wanted more adventures and frolicking and songs with magic horses.
I miss my innocence, before I knew of you pony fuckers.

>>11915584

I don't know what gri is. There's no incest in the book.

>>11915711
Calm down, I don't watch MLP or anything like that. I like the whole childlike innocent aspect of The Last Unicorn and how it's mixed with genuine darkness and how after it all everyone is left changed and things don't quite return back to normal.

>WHAT ARE YOU READING NOW
Picked up the first few WoT books for 50 cents apiece a few days ago and I just started reading Eye of the World
Also the copy of Killing Commendatore I ordered just showed up so I started that last night.
>Why is it shit?
As for Eye apparently the entire series is trash going by general opinion on here.
Commendatore is starting out slow, but that’s par for the course with Murakami.
>Also what's the least shit book you've read this year?
That’s tough. I finally read through Infinite Jest this year and really loved it, but I know that’s super subjective and probably as many people hate it as love it.

>>11915728

I liked the first few WoT books, so don't worry. It does become a grind later on though, and I dropped around book 7. I wanted to keep going, but it got increasingly hard justifying the time investment when I could have been reading something else. I don't regret trying WoT though, it's good fantasy often enough and at least we can say we've been there! The thing that killed the series for me wasthe fucking women!

>>11915746
But fucking women is good.

>>11915665
The Wizard/The Knight. Only shows up in The Wizard, but it's there.

>>11915728
>just started reading Eye of the World
The first book is very lotr-esque, Jordan said he had to write it like that to get published so keep that in mind. The rest of the series is more like the prologue that the main content of the first book.

China Mieville's arms are huge dude!

>>11915785

He's just generally very impressive. Extremely smart, eloquent, educated and well-trained. The political stuff gets a little tiring, but at least it doesn't hurt his books.

>>11915746
I actually got the first seven, so once I get that far I’ll probably know whether I want to seek out more or drop the series. For 50 cents a pop I would have probably picked up the whole series, but that was all I could find in the sale bins.
>>11915781
Good to know, I’m definitely interested enough to keep going so far, but I’m only maybe 10-15% of the way in.

>>11915806

Just enjoy it for what it is. When I set out to read it, I specifically wanted to read some generic old school fantasy with magic, wolves, swords and all that shit.

>>11915249

>>11915779
thanks, anon

This was a pretty good series to read.

Know any good cyberpunk books? Have a hard time finding them.

>>11915785
Dude looks nothing like I imagined. I thought he was some tiny little scrawny nerd.

>>11915824
Have you read Gibson’s Sprawl Trilogy?

>>11915831

Say that to my face, fucker, and not online, and see what happens

>>11915815
I can dig it. I tend to avoid generic fantasy a lot of times simply because there’s so much out there I’d rather read something that stands a bit apart. So I guess in that sense I’m in a good position to enjoy WoT, since I’m not already overloaded with dune-a-dozen sword and sorcery.

>>11915834
looks good, thanks

>>11915840
Your opinions on Tolkien are absolute garbage.

>>11915840
He rocks being a baldie.

>>11915849
Dime-a-dozen*
I am a phoneposter and autocorrect is my shame.

>>11915779
is that the Gene Wolfe Wizard Knight book? Or is it another author with a book of a similar name?

>>11915850
No problem. Just be aware that technology was very different when they were written.
Back then, a television tuned into a dead channel was black and gray static, but nowadays that would mean clear blue.

>>11915840
looks like a highly detailed rendering of someone from Stalker

>>11915872
AH NU CHEEKI BREEKI

>>11915665
I've been meaning to read the Black Unicorn because it's by Tanith Lee and it's one of her most popular books.
But if you're looking to recapture the magic of the Last Unicorn welp it's a masterpiece of the genre. The only two fantasy books i think are anywhere as good are Wizard of Earthsea and Night Circus but their subject matters have nothing to do with unicorns.

>>11915824
Neuromancer
Synners
Software by Rucker
Eclipse by Shirley
Artificial Kid
Vurt
Snow Crash

>>11915900
Thanks anyway anon, I'll look those books up anyway

>>11915716
>I don't know what gri is

>>11915751
>Butt fucking women is good.
If you are going to be with a woman, and still only fuck her ass you should just stop pretending you're straight and get a tomgirl gf.

>>11915871
>Back then, a television tuned into a dead channel was black and gray static, but nowadays that would mean clear blue.
>tfw I still have crt tvs and still get the gray static with buzzing sounds

>>11915858
Phone posting should be your shame

>>11915665
Chronicles of Amber

Any (mostly) hard scifi that isn't super gritty and gross and depressing?
I want something like Blindsight rather than The Expanse.

I know, I know; it's arguable that 'hard' scifi isn't even a thing but you get what I mean. I suppose you could say near-future speculative fiction instead.

>>11915867
Wolfe

>>11915852
Those opinions serve the same purpose for him as his ear piercings.

What's your favorite opening bit in a /sffg/ novel? I literally can't think of one I really like. Everyone says The Dark Tower's is the best, but that one comes nowhere close to being as memorable as stuff like American Psycho or Lolita.

>>11912879
>spending years autistically worldbuilding
>still not having a single cohesive story because all the events of 2000 years history are too interconnected

>>11916149
>In a hole under the ground there lived a Hobbit

>>11916154

>not starting with your story and building the world to fit it

we've all been there anon. Keep your chin up

>>11916189
>not starting with a bunch of fictional languages and building a mythology to back them up

do you even Tolkien

>>11915824
The two Hardwired books by Walter Jon Williams

Hello /sffg/

I just finished the Eli Monpress series and I enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would.
Now I don't know what to read though.

Before Eli I read Gentleman Bastards and Ryria Chronicles/Revelations.

Can you recommend some more book series in that same vein of fantasy thievery?

the internet told me to read mistborn, but I'm about an hour in and I am not hooked whatsoever

>>11916134
The Vorkosigan series? Those are pretty fun to read.

>>11916241
>fantasy thievery
Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser series by Fritz leiber

>>11916252
>Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser series by Fritz leiber
i read the wikipedia and it soudns interesting, but it also seems like its just a collection of short stories/novellas

I like to get into one story and not several small ones back to back.
How bad is the mouser with this

>>11916189
It's all going back an forth. Story demands more detailed worldbuilding from which more stories grow and it all needs to be properly glued together with more worldbuilding and stories.

>>11916264
There is a not so fine line (actually it's unmistakable) between in-depth world building and plain ol' autism.
Don't be that guy anon.

>>11916134
Poseidon's Children trilogy.

>>11916241
Amra Thetys

>>11916292
>Amra Thetys lives by two simple rules—take care of business, and never let it get personal. Thieves don't last long in Lucernis otherwise. But when a fellow rogue and good friend is butchered on the street in a deal gone wrong, she turns her back on burglary and goes after something more precious than treasure: Revenge.

Revenge, however, might be hard to come by. A nightmare assortment of enemies, including an immortal assassin and a mad sorcerer, believe Amra is in possession of The Blade That Whispers Hate—the legendary, powerful artifact her friend was murdered for—and they'll do anything to take it from her. Trouble is, Amra hasn't got the least clue where the Blade might be.

Egads!

>>11916297
>>11916292
>Amra Thetys
I like the sound of it.
How bad is feminazi agenda?

>>11916292
*tugs braids*

>>11916134
Greg Egan start with Permutation City or Axiomatic.

>the big reveal is that gods aren't real/are made by humans
>there are dark elves and different binary alignments for most races
>modern society norms even though the world is supposed to be backwards and outlandish
>groups that are insanely powerful like magic users are discriminated against and never stand up for themselves for no apparent reason
>they're at an iron level of tech but there's some crackpot working in the middle of nowhere that's developed current scientific terminology and understanding of localized experiments but it's only going to be relevant in the MC's one-chapter hijink
>there are characters/races/creatures/customs that exist only to fuel the author's blatant fetish
>neighboring countries that often fight each other have wildly different weapons and armors, and nobody ever thinks of taking advantage of the other's weaknesses
>the author doesn't understand politics of bureaucracy, so even the benevolent and freedom-loving monarchs are basically authoritarian dictators with maybe two guys under them directing all the areas and matters of their unrealistically vast holdings

>>11916317
*slaps ass*

>>11916297
Why are the novels about thieves always such contrived garbage? Why do they never do any actual thieving?

>>11916411
We need more heist novels, where characters climb up to some tower to steal a magical artifact or some shit.

>>11916415
Indeed. The only real things close to that are both games - the Thief trilogy and then a few of the Thieves Guild quests in TES. I'm so tired of these novels where the character is supposed to be a thief or a rogue but then the plot is about something else entirely and their skills never shine through.

>>11916415
>>11916433
Fuck it, I'll start writing a short story for you guys on monday. Expect little.

>>11916441
Do it, anon. I'm planning to write something similar when nanowrimo starts.

>>11916411
Probably because the thieving angle is there to prop up some ham-fisted message or analogy.
I guess it would be nice to get a fantasy equivalent of Ocean's Eleven (the original) or Italian Job (also original) but who's going to write it?

>>11916446
I have a setting that's been languishing and in need of some actual content which I hope will start the cycle of production. This will be a good exercise.

>>11915265
Night Circus
anything by Diana Wynne Jones

>>11916415
>>11916433
>>11916441
>>11916446
I already had a pretty good idea on what to do for NaNoWriMo. The main character, and my thoughts for it so far, should accommodate a bunch of thievery fine.

>>11916453
What kind of setting is it?
>>11916451
... or the author is just trying to make the backstory of the character as "cool" as she can, and then it turns out that it plays no part in the story whatever.

>>11916433
It's because fantasy genre readers don't want to read about Thief 1/2/3 Garret sneaking around and picking locks and stealing candlesticks to pay his rent. They want to read about Thief 4 Garret backflipping while using his rotary fire arrow crossbow to get +10 XP on headshots to defeat the ultimate evil on a 3 to 15 book long quest with excessive Tolkienesque worldbuilding.

Is there anything worse than the "humans are the real monsters" trope?

>>11916395
what book and what fetish?

What are good books in which magic is used in interesting ways? You know, beyond fighting and destruction.

>>11916476
Fantasy setting that eventually turns into science-fantasy. I have a long-term timeline planned out and have some points that I want to touch on in a short story collection, with each short story contributing a little to the setting's themes and meta-narrative.

>>11916481
Sad truth, but you nailed it.

Is Severian's "perfect memory" him trying to hide his autism?

>>11916451
>>11916415
>>11916411
The Palace Job by Patrick Weekes

>>11916484
i hate grimderp

>>11916490
Vurt
Last Call

>>11916484
That's not so bad depending on how it's done. I mean if it's only focused on evil it's based. But I always liked Zizek's line about humans being the real aliens.

>>11916490
Craft Sequence has all kinds of uses for magic, magic is basically set up as an alternative to scientific progress so the world has an industrial revolution but one that in some cities is utterly dependent on pacts with gods.

>>11916411
Foundryside came out recently and the main character is pretty much always trying to steal something.

Also just read the Stainless Steel Rat books, they're scifi but they're great thieves tales. Hell go read Parker too since any real attempt at fantasy thievery is ripping off one of those two.

>>11916490
Chronicles of Amber.

>>11916508
It’s not even perfect. He makes a bunch of mistakes in his recollection, though I guess it could be argued that he’s intentionally acting as an unreliable narrator.

>>11916508
Urth spoilers: Severain dies several times in BotNS. He's reconstructed by aliens each time. When he drowns and dies the first time as a child and is recreated - by Abia or its Ursulas or whatever - is when he actually obtains it. He does a double cross sorta thing where he, at the end, says he might have forgotten things, calling his perfect memory into question - because he really is just a collection of memories, even before he joins the Autarch legion, and doesn't want to reveal that.

>>11916511
>The plan: to steal a priceless elven manuscript that once belonged to her family, but now is in the hands of the most powerful man in the Republic. To do so Loch—former soldier, former prisoner, current fugitive—must assemble a crack team of magical misfits that includes a cynical illusionist, a shapeshifting unicorn, a repentant death priestess, a talking magical warhammer, and a lad with seemingly no skills to help her break into the floating fortress of Heaven’s Spire and the vault that holds her family’s treasure—all while eluding the unrelenting pursuit of Justicar Pyvic, whose only mission is to see the law upheld.

Nah, he laid it on too thick.

>download a book branded as just another "kill the bad queen" fantasy because I wanted something to read (it was literally called Kill the Queen)
>key plot moments involve baking and ballroom dancing
>I liked it

help I'm now a girl

>>11916648
We're all girls here, anon. Only girls read.

>>11916654
That would explain most of you are too stupid to understand Bakker.

>>11916484
>Is there anything worse than the "humans are the real monsters" trope?
I absolutely hate dramatic irony as a device and sff fucking loves it

There's nothing worse than being told a big event is going to happen in 100 pages and having to read a fuckload more before it happens

>>11916699
Most of us are not 16 any more which is the main reason.

Has anyone read this? It's cheap on Kindle right now and has a cool cover.

>>11916699
Bakker's biggest weakness is being understood

once you realise he's just dressing up very basic writing with shitloads of fictional replacement words he loses most of his appeal

>>11916741
>It's cheap on Kindle right now
It's 2018 bruv, you can get it for free.

>>11916741
nah but I read some of her last trilogy and it was pretty fun

>>11916728
Yeah, you're right, Sanderson has so much better prose. There are so many other authors out there that have the same command of the English language in the same way the Bakker does.
>>11916750
Uhm, are you seriously just talking about worldbuilding right now? He's very upfront about just copying Dune and LotR, so I fail to see your point. And I also doubt you understood any of those books.

>>11916508
>Is Severian's "perfect memory" him trying to hide his autism?
Photographic memory is a thing, Anon. He says he had no creativity until after the alzabo trip, which is typical for such people.

>>11916754
Not everyone here is a thief, m8

>>11916622
you know that the marketing departments write the blurbs right? authors also don't get to pick their own book covers

>>11916754
>>11916993
i like to support my authors so that they'll write more books

I think my imagination is fucked /sffg/
I try to take my time when reading to properly imagine the characters, locations and everything but I can't possibly imagine things as detailed as this picture >>11912996
How can I improve this?
Can it be done?

>>11916754
>>11916993
>>11917017
I like dumb features on Kindle that you get when you buy the book. Some authors I like to support.
If it's 1$ I don't care too much anyway.

>>11917017
>authors also don't get to pick their own book covers
So the only way to have complete control over your own work is self-publishing.

>>11917049
Yes, but let's face it, publishers probably know better at how to do their thing than you would anyway.

>>11917042
That picture took hours to create. This was after years of learning how to draw.

>>11917049
Yes. You'll have to pay for the cover art yourself. (If you commission someone to make the cover instead of buying something existing, you're not going to have complete control over the final result either. The artist isn't going to make a hundred changes at your demand.)
Self publishing can work but there's positives and negatives.

>>11915370
Dark Tower, Stephen King

>>11914550
>it’s coming together good
“It’s coming together well.” If you cannot grasp basic English, your novel is likely shit.

>>11917061
Bujold wrote something once about how she hates the covers Vorkosigan gets but how sales went way down the one time she had input on what she wanted on a cover

Dogshit blurbs and covers sell because people expect them from the genre.

>>11917146
It's just depressing how many people are so thoroughly willing to eat dogshit and never strive for anything better.

>>11917061
Disagree. Just because their main concern is profits doesn't mean they're right. Just look at all the cover art for old american adaptations for japanese stuff. Publishers completely misread what the fans would have liked. At least they learned eventually

>bored of a book 85% through it and definitely not going to read the sequel
>still want to finish it so I'm not lying to goodreads

I have a real issue

>>11917284
If you're so far into the book, it won't take you much time at all to finish it. Go for it.

>>11917284

Finish it. Goodreads won't know, but you will always know!

*sips tea*

>>11917462
>woke

>>11917462
Don't ever post shit from /tv you disgusting little fag.

>>11917470
I got it from NK Jemisin's twitter feed.

SF novel idea. Last living human betrays Earth and joins up with the aliens who wiped it out, he also meets seven women who share female equivalents the names the seven archangels have.

>>11917570
That's even worse.

>>11917575
Sounds like anime.
Horrible. Don't leave your day job.

>>11917570
Disgusting.

>>11917575
So what happens next?

>>11917575
How can he betray earth if he's the only one left?

>>11917613
There could still be animals. Why won't anyone think of the poor pandas!

>>11917614
Screw 'em

>Bechdel test
>The Bechdel test is a measure of the representation of women in fiction. It asks whether a work features at least two women who talk to each other about something other than a man. The requirement that the two women must be named is sometimes added.

>>11917631
please stop posting stuff you just found out about years after everyone else from /tv/

>>11917146
Likewise there was the thing a while back where Terry Goodkind was ranting on facebook about the cover for a Sword of Truth book because "My main demographic is people who want to look smart! This is shiiiiit!" and trying to get his fans to attack the artist.

>>11917185
http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2010/03/cmap-6-why-did-you-pick-such-a.html

>The job of the cover is to make a shopper pick the product up. Retail psychology studies indicate that shoppers are more likely to buy a product if they physically handle it, and this is as true in bookstores as it is in grocery or electronics stores. The cover design will therefore ideally be distinctive (to stand out from the crowd), colourful (to contrast with the crowd), and aesthetically appealing (ditto). Unfortunately these are all culturally variable and highly subjective. Fashion in book design is radically different between the USA and the UK, for example; the US market in SF at least is increasingly driven by saturated hues, while in the UK for a while the trend has been towards grainy monochrome, with one publisher going so far as to reissue an entire list of books with black and white covers.

>>11917638
>Terry Goodki
Ugh.

>basedboy extraordinaire Charless Stross
Double ugh.

Why is magical ability almost always directly correlated with intellect?
Any books that go against this archetype?
I want some meathead mages.

>>11917678
I like the idea, but with mages tending to be more strategic or intellectual in their use of magic, you can see more magic depending on the scenarios they encounter. A meathead mage would probably just cast fireball every time they’re called on to do something magical, and while it would probably be just as effective as the exploits of the thinking wizard, it would be less interesting.

>>11917705
It could work as a suspense/thriller/action kind of thing, but that's not what people reading fantasy generally want.

>>11917705
Meathead warriors seem to be eternally interesting though.
What if there was a race that was not very smart but had an innate ability to do magic which they traing through practice and repetition, much like how one would train their physical prowess

>>11917727
that's kinda just what the sorcerer archetype does

>>11917678
isn't one of the most powerful magicians in the Fitz books a literal retard?

>>11917678
Presumably the dumb ones died early on, like medieval cannon engineers or jihadist bombmakers who didn't pay attention to the "safety" section in the chemistry textbook.

Tell me about Moorcock, why is he a prick?

>>11917741
He doesn't like Tolkien.
That's about it.

>>11917678
I'm not really interested in dumb characters, but I like ones who are intelligent but not intellectual, like Tolkien's hobbits. I think a lot of the holy/spiritual/nature/shaman magic users in fantasy RPGs are kinda like this, as opposed to the stemfag arcane magicians. Gandalf isn't as bad as the high fantasy shit you get nowadays, cause he's at least mystical and esoteric, merlinesque, and he reads mysterious tomes and journeys far for his lore and doesn't go to some gay fucking 'magic university', ugh

>>11917751
Is he truly anarchist or did he just never out grew it?

About 20 pages into Flowers for Algernon. Slow going so far, I hope it picks up

>>11917741
Cause he's a leftshit and they have to be mad about everything.

>>11917741
he gets fucking triggered because Sam and Frodo love each other even though Frodo is born into a rich important family and Sam is his servant/gardener. Sam should be upset at Frodo and get an angry mob to guillotine him for oppressing him.

But what's Melnibone's tax policy?

>>11917833
>why didn't the hobbits just organize a communist revolution

>>11917839
You give them everything or they let demons run a train on every orifice you have (and a few you don't).

>>11917833
>Sam should be upset at Frodo and get an angry mob to guillotine him for oppressing him.
Somebody should remind him of peasants of Vandee then.

>>11917853
I just found new fetish. Souce please.

>>11917815
you mean like you're doing now?

>>11917862
PLEASE JERK OFF BEFORE POSTING

>>11917882
I did, recently. I just want souce.

>>11917833

Why would Sam be upset at Frodo for providing friendship and employment?

>>11917862
>>11917892
All that masturbation is making you go blind anon.
You have it spelled out in lower fucking right corner.

>>11917741
>m-muh white wolf

>>11917919
Because hierarchy is just oppressive and evil, in Moorcock's mind.

>>11916348
Can second Permutation City. I didn't care for the others in the "trilogy" as much, but that one was excellent. Great job of amping up the possibilities of the premise.

>>11917935
Pretty sure any class hierarchy between Frodo and Sam is academic at best anyway.

>>11917922
Ahh, I see. Never know with these watermark links, sometimes it just leads to shitty porn site were you can't find what you search.
>>11917927
Explain.

>>11917949

morecock tried to sue sapkowski for plagiarism because he thinks geralt is a ripoff of elric of melnibone

>>11917880
But I'm not mad, projecting anon.

>>11917961
He is a ripoff, but Elric sucks anyways so who cares.

>>11917961
>doesn't sue pic related

>>11917983

yeah nah not really though

>>11917961
What a fag. Plagiarisms lawsuits are a cancer, write better/more popular stuff you hack.

>>11917862
It’s called a vacbed, source is fetishkitsch. They stopped putting out new videos though, the photographer and his wife/lead model went through some relationship issues and now the site is on indefinite hiatus.

>>11918042
>photographer and his wife/lead model
Dumbshits, you don't whore your wife out. Anyway, thanks for info.

>>11917741
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>>11917983
>>11917986
>>11917990
I have never ready anything by Moorcock, are the Elric books good? I'm in the mood for some Sword and Sorcery.

>>11918223
Elric should scratch that itch fine, as would Corum and Runestaff.

What is the most philosophically profound work of science fiction/fantasy you've read /sffg/?

>>11918236
Cool, I'll check them out then.
Thanks.

NEW THREAD AHOY!!

>>11918304
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>>11918304
>>11918304

>>11917631
I think The Name of the Wind doesn't pass it. I find that rather funny somehow.

>>11913729
It's perfect I agree, is there anything remotely like this out there? Most Litrpgs are complete dogshit compered to this one. Please help I need to spend 2 audible credits in 4 hours.