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Yes, and it's always been.

>>11907699
Pretty well yeah. How Christianity and evolution quite fit together hasn't been figured out just yet, but since the theory of evolution is basically incomplete at this stage, that's hardly a glaring problem.

>>11907699
Certain aspects of Christianity are debatble but the religion as a whole can be defended and has some pretty convincing arguments.

>>11907706
Feser’s tone in this book is really snarky

>>11907772
What are the best arguments for Christianity?

>>11907699
God is defensible but Christianity pretty clearly isn't.

>>11907699
Not really. The most reasonable defenses are the ones that discard large parts of traditional Christianity (e.g. ditching biblical inerrancy) in an attempt to salvage the bare bones of the religion.

>>11907853
pretty good view desu

>>11907699
sure, it changes every 5 minutes to fit the political environment. It's like a hobby in my opinion

>>11907898
theres more to christianity than american protestantism fyi

>>11907908
oh so the catholics accepting gays is just going to be ignored?

>>11907699
Yes. Those who disagree do not understand Christianity. Nothing could be more true.
>Ecclesiastes 1

>>11907918
> Catholics accepting gays
LEAVE

>>11907949
your pope did it, isn't he the head honcho that you have to listen to or the vatican police break your kneecaps and take all your jezz-its.

>>11907918
Cringe and bluepilled you're the cancer of this whole site

>>11907959
>he calls me the cancer
>as he uses buzzwords that are indicative of lacking the ability to formulate his own thoughts and opinions
I have never felt anything when being insulted by lesser men, and i never will

>>11907957
The pope said SSA didn’t make someone inherently immoral. He never said sodomy was ok.

No, most people don't understand Europe made christianity and not the other way, christianity is "mana from heaven: the religion", only contrarians follow it.

>>11907965
It's not an inability it's that you're not worth it. There's no convincing brainlets.

Why is Catholicism a thing? Why does the pope have ANY authority? Which NT verse mentions the pope and Roman Bishops? If Jesus gave Peter the keys to the church, where does it mention that after Peters death, the keys should be handed to another person?

Lastly: Why isn't Orthodoxy the one true church?

t. Theist looking to convert

>>11907699
Philosophically yes but it gets kind of iffy outside of that

>>11908013
Is shit as philosophy too, only needy effeminates need it.

>mods delete philosophy threads
>leave this shit
Is either abib or the bbc sucking german isn't.

>>11908008
You're welcome anon. Keep pursuing the one true faith, it is peak enlightenment.

>>11908016
Nah, its atheism and naturalism that are lacking heavily in the philosophy department. There is nothing close to the quality you see in figures like say Aquinas or even Kierkegaard.

>>11908040
american ?
>>11908029
spooks.

>>11907699
It is not in its traditional theology, however a modified version that begins with kabbala, continues with process philosophy and ends with christianity is.

>>11907918
Fr James Martin, the most famous pro-LGBT catholic today, is routinely criticised as a heretic so hardly

>>11908047
>a modified version that begins with kabbala, continues with process philosophy

>>11907699
Semitic religions were never defensible.

>>11908008
It’s tradition because Peter was bishop of Rome according to Acts of Peter. Also, the church of Rome is built over him, the Petra. In a recent council between the Romans and Orthodox both agreed that there is a need for a bishop of the world church.

>>11907908
>theres more to christianity than american protestantism fyi
Yeah, there are other forms of cancer.

>>11908046
>american ?
No, that said if you have any good recommendations for philosophy books that demonstrate atheism or naturalism I would be glad to hear it

>>11908075
>racist pol BLACKED memes

fuck off

Gnosticism is the only plausible religion prove me wrong.

>>11907820
He's making kind of a satire of New Atheist authors.

>>11908078
>demonstrate
>philosophy books
lmao
>>11908080
american.

>>11908080
>pope licking muslim feet at a time when Europe is swarmed by them

No, Ayn Rand was right that Christianity is the kindergarten of communism. Even if it we're not; faith is the unadulteratedly evil curtailment of reason. Necessarily corruptive.

>>11908097
Ayn Rand went to hell. Thank god, heaven would be insufferable with her

Why is modern christian art such garbage?

A lot of these christian movies and music could do more damage to the religion than help it.

>>11908100
That song is pretty good doe.

>those lyrics

>>11908087
You dont think logical proofs are evidence?

>>11907699
I reject Christianity because it is Jewish, because it is international and because, in cowardly fashion, it preaches Peace on Earth.

>>11907725
How do you see the two conflicting? The story in the first chapter of genesis isn't a literal recount of how God made us. The Catholic Church has no issue with evolution, and I think the same goes for some Orthodox and Coptic churches. As for protestants, they're hardly Christian so their beliefs aren't relevant

>>11908117
it fine, as long as you reject shitskins religion too. shitskins are on par with jews and fuck you if you disagree with me.

>>11907941
Ecclesiastes is very much at odds with most of the Bible and Christian tradition.

>>11908099
If God exists (he doesn't) I have no doubt Rand would opt for purgatory when questioned at the Pearly Gates. Don't think she would much like the idea of Heaven. Neither do I.

>>11907957
Same sex attraction is not immoral, sodomy is.

>>11908147
>lust isn't immoral

>>11908118
The only conflict is that according to the Genesis story, death is brought into the world only after humans defied God, but in order for humans to have existed at all would have required death to already exist, since death is the mechanism of evolution (natural selection). Ultimately it depends on how you interpret "brought death into the world". I think in Catholic theology (which is my denom) it works quite well, but ultimately the beginnings of species are shrouded in mystery, so Catholic attempts at reconstructing it (that humans were "ensouled" at some point) seem a bit convoluted. Personally I very much like Nikolai Berdaeyev's synthesis, but I don't have the theological knowledge to assess its ultimately validity. Very good read if you're interested http://www.scholardarity.com/?page_id=1371

>>11907918
WRONG.

>Homosexual Priests Must Be Deprived of
Their Clerical Dignity and Put to Death

https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/n009rp_HomosexualPriests.htm

>>11907918
The absolute state of Episcopalianism ...
https://youtu.be/iaHxBFwod9Q?t=1060

>>11907699
Anything is defensible.

Take some rote appeal to tradition
Add in some inbreeding
5 Tablespoons on cult group think
And a dash of insatiable lust for hearing children scream while being molested

>>11907699
Have you had a clear light experience? Colloquially, has God spoke with you? Yes? Then what possible need could you have for something more meaningful than the world?
No? Then you have no gnosis to speak.

>>11908256
>Then you have no gnosis to speak
GNOTICS GET OUT

>>11908256
>but if I really, really feel it, it must be true!

>>11908134
>He agrees with Ayn Rand
>He states that even if he's offered Heaven he would choose Hell
The best part of atheists and Jews breaking down the fabric of society is that soon enough there will be no electricity and I won't have to read such helplessly retarded posts on a board that holds itself to a higher esteem.

>>11908100
>Thinking Christian media is unfiltered by Jewish Hollywood
You believe they'd let it just slide through the cracks? Your last chance was The Passion, everything else is intentionally disengaging.

>>11908118
>>11907725
>>11908180
Perhaps it's not as metaphorical as we had thought.

>>11907699
Its always been 'modern' times and it's always been under attack.

>>11907908
Idiot

>>11908382
It's made by a Christian studio owned by white Christians. Yeah there are a lot of Jews in Hollywood but you can't just shout "JEWS" to explain a shitty Christian movie.

>>11908180
There are a very great many conflicts between the Genesis story and the most widely accepted paradigm for the evolutionary history of life.

Ignoring for a moment that there is no reason at all to suppose that the author of Genesis did not mean seven 24-hour periods, the order from scientific consensus and the Bible very obviously conflict with one another.

Fruit-bearing trees (day 3) are said to appear before any marine life (day 5), but it is widely accepted that marine life appeared before any land plants whatsoever. Furthermore, trees and plants appear before the Sun and the Moon appear, contradicting the consensus order of events from evolutionary biologists and cosmologists.

There are also reasons from both sides of the debate to believe that the two aren't reconcilable. First, from a Christian/Jewish perspective, if God authored the Bible via the Holy Spirit through humans, and Genesis was a "purely theological" construct, why on earth would he not construct actual history to conform literally to the theological construct?

Secondly, from a non-Christian perspective, the most salient explanation is quite obviously that the orders conflict (and other things like the firmament being most prudently explained as the thought that the sky is a dome) with the scientific consensus because the author of Genesis 1 was a middle easterner who lived 2500-3000 years ago and had no idea how earth's history happened.

>>11908437

The film "God's Not Dead" was written by Cary Solomon and Chuck Konzelman.

From an interview with the NC Register (http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/gods-not-dead-and-christianity-in-america-isnt-either):

"Solomon: And I wasn’t even raised Catholic. My mom was Protestant, my dad was Jewish, and I was confused."

>>11908551
So you think he's embraced the Jewish heritage of his father's side (even though Judaism is passed down matrilineally according to most Jews) and pretend converted to Catholicism and infiltrated a Christian media company so he could make an intentionally bad movie to discredit Christianity? Instead of trying to further his career by writing good movies?

>>11908509
>why on earth would he not construct actual history to conform literally to the theological construct?
Because its audience was middle easterners who lived 2500-3000 years ago and had no idea how earth's history happened. Also all of those conflicts you listed are pretty nit-picky. If the story isn't a literal presentation of creation, then what does picking it apart for such precise details matter?

>>11908029
what exactly is to be made of this?

>>11907699
No, its extremely lolworthy to believe in philosophical idealism in the year of our lord two thousand and eighteen anno domini

>>11908608
Stop inferring a ton of things that aren't there.

>>11908652
christians think if they keep citing their shitty erotica they will look smart.

>>11908612
It would not have been that hard to explain evolution to middle easterners 2500-3000 years ago and there is no good explanation whatsoever for the order being incorrect. The details are not precise or nit-picky, they are overwhelmingly obvious to anybody familiar with both the Genesis account and a basic understanding of the outline of the consensus order.

>>11908670
>there is no good explanation whatsoever for the order being incorrect
that it doesnt attempt to do so is a pretty good reason

>>11908662
What else am I supposed to deduce from this >>11908382?

>>11908367
I said "purgatory" numbnuts

>>11907699
Depends what you mean by "defensible."

As a philosophical and intellectual doctrine that is meant to be taken literally? No, Christianity is the bastardised invention of too many competing interests and its access to true metaphysics (and hence true living) suffers deeply as a result.

As an aesthetic choice and approach to actions / ethics? Well, you could do far worse. There's a lot of Christians out there who do indeed act very "Christ-like", and I would throw out my personal opinion that becoming a Christian would be far preferable to becoming something like a Nazi (although unfortunately too many people see these two as being compatible.)

Basically, it's a mixed bag. On one hand, being devoted to Christ and wanting to help God's creation is usually a noble goal. On the other, this is too often intermingled with stale, ineffective and oppressive dogmatism and any spiritual benefit people could get from a devotional lifestyle becomes flooded by endless petty political fights. I would advise any discerning person to approach it if it interests them, but with a reasonable degree of caution.

Well, let's see what the female book club that decides moral virtues and social mores replaced the Bible with once they got bored of thumping that: Harry Potter. Would you prefer Jesus or JK Rowling's Twitter be your Lord and Saviour?

>>11909205

Petty political fights are not a part of real Christianity.

Colossians 3:2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.


This is the Bible definition of religion:

James 1:27
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

>>11908008
damn protestantism really did a number on you

>>11908008
"The True Church", the Bride of Jesus, are His loyal followers of any denomination.

>>11909205
>too often intermingled with stale, ineffective and oppressive dogmatism and any spiritual benefit people could get from a devotional lifestyle becomes flooded by endless petty political fights
Only when it degenerates into an ideology

Only if you want to ignore all the parts that conflict with modern society like most religions.

>>11909348
Romans 12:2
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.

>>11909348
what part in the new covenant conflicts with modern society?

>>11909348
I think Christianity has always conflicted with society. That's kind of the point.

>>11908084
He isnt, that same edgy and snarky tone is present throughout his blog and non academic writings.

>>11909348
The parts that conflict with modern society are the ones that appeal to me.

>>11907853
Jesus Christ himself. Now read the bible

>>11907699
It doesn't have to be (defended) howsoever 'attackable.'

>>11908311
I'm not Gnostic.
>>11908335
A clear light experience is not a feeling, anymore than death is an papercut.

Yes but you have to read Proclus to understand why

>>11907706
Holy shit that is a pain to look at

>>11907699
>personal belief system

What the fuck does that mean?