/lit/ - Literature

>>11907263
Fifth Season is a more important work than BotNS! There I said it

>>11907263
Mervyn fucking Peake.

>>11907263

>>11907268
I fully agree my good man, only one of those is written by a delusional christ fag.

Soulcatcher is an overrated waifu.

Are there any underrated waifus? Any that are never brought up here but should be?

You have 10 seconds to say something nice about Shallan.

>>11907330
>>erm...she's a xerox machine with tits.

Jesus why is this board so fucking bad.

>>11907330
He seems like he can appreciate a good meal

>>11907341
It's all this >>11907306 faggots fault

>>11907330
She is a shit character and Stormlight would be better without her.
With her schizophrenic multiple personality disorder she probably thinks that's a compliment.

>>11907341
pol was left uncheck for too long. Years ago when they tried to colonize us, we reported them out. But they slowly creeped back in and no one reported / mods too their sweet time. The report system was updated and I am seeing pol purges, so we can clean it up again.

Post spooky enjoyable genre fiction

>>11907351
Just report him for spamming. He posts that same pic every. single. thread. for the past few months.

>>11907378
I know, he cried like a bitch, lost his shit and deleted all his posts in the last thread. Twas great fun to watch.

>>11907351
Again, Soulcatcher was spammed for months before I started, but apparently it's only a problem now.

That's pretty disingenuous of you, anon.

>>11907378
Only for a couple weeks. Again, I wonder why you only whine about it now.

>>11907381
Are you sure you don't only complain because you lobe Soulcatcher?

>>11907377
I remember when that guy seemed like a promising genre fiction writer.

>>11907395
I'll level with you anon, I don't even know what soulcatcher is, nor do I care to desu

>>11907398
I really enjoy his stuff.
His non-supernatural true crime/pulp inspired novel that came out earlier this year was a pretty great read and a nice change of pace from his usual fare imo

>>11907367
Fuck off, snowflakes.

>>11907425
>you're a snowflake because you don't want politics in your general
okay...

>>11907395
>I wonder why you only whine about it now
I used to whine about the other guy (I was also away for a while), but with the new report system you guys are getting seen by the mods, and I want spam gone.

>>11907484
Wow, look at this no-fun-allowed whiner. No wonder the last couple threads were such shit, with you fearlessly and senselessly crusading on what we're allowed to write, unaware that you only make it even worse by filling the whole thread with your autistic screeching.

You need to find real problems.

>>11907330
Tastes like carling

Pleb /a/fag here. I read Legend of Galactic Heroes and now I need more sci-fi. What do you guys like here?

>>11907618
Cixin, PKD, Clarke, Bester, and Asimov are my favorite authors. You can't go wrong with most things they wrote.

>>11907618
Book of the New Sun

>>11906790
PSA for visiting tumblrinas: warosu.org has /lit/ archives.
>P.S. The deleted stuff is never as titillating as you hoped.
>>11907263
>UNDERRATED AUTHORS EDITION
Obviously Jack Vance.
>>11906848
Holy cow, what a chad. I never would have guessed Peake looked like that. Apparently he obsessed about /pol/ too.

>>11907618
>>11907646
I don't think a self proclaimed pleb from /a/ should start with based Wolfe

>>11907657
yeah they should start with something that's actually good first.

>>11907499
I only started my crusade this thread..... Not my fault you shit up the general then can't stand your own stench.

>>11907655
you forgot to turn your trip of fren

>>11907657
I don't understand the circlejerk about BotNS being some kind of unattainable goal for the average pleb. I mostly read genre fiction and BotNS didn't seem particularly far above and beyond the usual trappings in complexity.

>>11907674
It's simply because most people are morons, even here. BotNS is slightly smarter and less coherent than, say, Sanderson's drek, so the vast majority will consider it really smart and take them reading it as an excuse for them to be smart as well.

>>11907683
I figured it was something along those lines. BotNS is even more accessible than, say, Dune, and probably more exciting for the average reader than LotR.
All three are enjoyable reads, but BotNS seems to be memed constantly regarding its complexity.

>>11907674
They elevate it to such heights because they're trying to impress people and go "no guys see genre fiction totally has literary merit!" (see also: Margret Atwood going "now see here you fucker, I write literary fiction not science fiction" because she wants her work to be judged against literary stuff instead of "Elf Saga Book XIV: Rise of the Crystal Lord")

See also: how upset genre fans get when genre work is subjected to literary criticism. I'm happy to read shitty science fiction and so on, but man people sure get mad when you actually point out how the characters are poorly written and the stories are contrived and so on.

>>11907683
I never claimed BotNS is the holy grail of sci-fi literature. I just think it shouldn’t be someone’s introduction to the genre. Kind of like how the first PKD book you read shouldn't be VALIS. Not because its LMAO 2dee4u Plebs.
>>11907703
Notice how I didn't recommend Dune, or LotR.

>>11907657
The Knight is pretty solid intro patrician material, though not sci-fi.

>>11907674
It's not at all unattainable, but it's something that requests a reread outright - rightfully - which is something most new readers aren't going to want to do.

>>11907618
Try some of Asimov's short stories. Like The Last Question, one of his best: https://www.physics.princeton.edu/ph115/LQ.pdf
You can easily finish them in a night, and they'll give you something to think about until next morning. If you want some space opera, Ender's Game is commonly recommended, though (old-school) YA. If you want to read something more complex, Book of the New Sun is very good, but it will probably take you a while to convince yourself to get through some of the slow parts.

>>11907724
And why not recommend Dune or LotR? Aiming high with your estimation of someone's ability when giving a recommendation gives you one of three possible outcomes:
-They're able to get into that level of fiction from the get-go, and can start diving into other acclaimed works
-It's above their current level, in which case they have a solid recommendation to get back to once they've immersed themselves more in easier fiction
-They quit and go back to watching anime instead of reading, which likely would have happened no matter what level of book you recommend.

The average person is pretty dumb, but I see no reason not to give people who express an interest in and desire to read the benefit of the doubt.

>>11907618
You should try Foundation, because it's geopolitics in space, similar to LotGH. Other Sci-Fi works that explore themes like AI and singularities and shit might not be what you're interested in.

>>11907618
Jack Campbell's Lost Fleet series is fun, easy Military SF. Lots of intrigue and space battles.

I'm looking for a book that was mentioned in a thread like a year ago. It's from around the turn of the century. I think it's a fantasy anthology about semi-connecting stories which take place in a land where gods once coexisted and have since left. I remember it being referred to as 'dark souls' like.

>>11908030
Check the archive for "dark souls" in the sffg general

>>11907674
>>11907683
>>11907703
>>11907718
>y-yeah that new popular thing is total shit. people only read it cause they think its smart for them to read it and not because its something they enjoy. r-right?

>>11908030
The Night Land?

Does anyone have a copy of Watts' story "Defining an Elephant". It's not on his website, not in either of his collections, and I can't find a download on libgen. It was in "Tales of Wonder - Odyssey" edited by Julie Czerneda.

>>11908073
It's not new, it's not popular, and DFW would have laughed at Wolfe elitists.

>>11908030
Gods of Pegana?

>>11908082
Why would I care about the opinion of someone who offed himself?

>>11908091
Because you should too.

>>11908098
Too many books to read for that to be an option

>>11908085
Yes that's it, thank you

Hi I'm a brainlet with a holiday coming up, I haven't read a book for ages, the last one was Dune I think, what can you recommend me to read? (that isn't shit and I can show off to make myself look cleverer than I am)

>>11908059
Not seeing anything unfortunately: >>/lit/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=sffg+dark+souls

>>11907703
If you think BOTNS is more accessible than Dune you either haven't read one of them or are an actual retard. I won't comment on their quality, but Dune is so vastly more accessible than BOTNS it's not even funny. I had basically no clue what was going on through most of Shadow of the Torturer where as reading Dune felt like Star Wars in book form.

>>11908109
The Book of the New Sun.

>>11908109
Read Warbreaker__________

Hey, does anyone remember a painting posted a few weeks back? It was an impressionist painting showing a town's riverwalk. The name was something like, Sunday along the River X--French? I can't recall. Going hunting through the threads but thought I'd ask while I'm at it.

>>11908109
The first Foundation novel by Asimov seems like it'd be a good fit.

>>11908258
Found it.
>google-sama, what's French for Sunday
>dimanche!

javascript:quote('11906625');

oh dear god not another one

Stop reading Tolkien

>>11907280
Believing in Christ is far less delusional than being a man in a dress my dude

>>11907395
Lol what’s wrong with you?

>>11908073
BotNS is great, I'm just talking about the people jacking off to how "difficult" or "complex" it is when it's really just run of the mill as complexity goes

>>11907618
Peter hamilton’s Pandora’s Star.

>>11908137
>an actual retard
>I had basically no clue what was going on through most of Shadow of the Torturer
Anon...

>>11908491
What's wrong with The Hobbit?

>>11908635
There's nothing wrong with The Hobbit

>>11907263
I haven't read BotNS and I will but I feel like I'm being memed into how good it is. An unreliable narrator is an overrated literary device. BotNS seems to be the Inception, Sixth Sense, or Usual Suspects of the fantasy world--here's your plot twist. I have zero love for Inception. Sixth Sense and Usual Suspects were good movies but they didn't make my favorite movies list.

I tried One Hundred Thousand Kingdoms and it was ok but didn't suck me in so I stopped reading it. I drop a lot of books. I will try Fifth Season.

I will also try Sanderson's Mistborn to see if it's bullshit or just popular schlock.

For reference, I tried Name of the Wind and Eye of the World and hated them. I shill Zelazny's Amber series and the Belgariad here because they're good adventures.

>>11908538
>man in a dress

aka a priest.

>>11908775
gottem

>>11908756
If you're more familiar with movies, I compare BotNS as being closer to a David Lynch movie than any other book I can think of. If you don't like Mulholland Drive/Twin Peaks S3, you might not like BotNS. But give it a try! It's my favorite sci-fi novel. (That said, I don't like much sci-fi - dropped Dune, liked Hyperion.) It gets memed a lot, and bashing it is just the contrarian edge of the meme, but the hype originated from a place of sincerity.

If you're worried about the twist being the point of BotNS like Sixth Sense, I figured out the twist before the third book and I think before the second, if memory of what was in which serves.

Mistborn is closer to Inception-ish bullshit, but good luck with it.

>>11908635
It's too perfect

holy shit I just noticed a flaw in the Hobbit
when chasing after Bilbo, why did Gollum presumptuously take the extremely specific path that led to the exit from the tunnels if he knew Bilbo was lost and was looking for directions?

still the most flawless

>>11908756
I think the unreliable narrator part is overplayed by people who like to spin stranger theories about the plot. It's more 6th Sense than Inception if you're going to make a movie comparison, but it leans a lot more on narrative complexity than plot twists.

>>11908823
He thought Bilbo was lying about being lost IIRC.

>>11908073
>finite unfunny is good
This meme never ends huh?

>>11908570
An exaggeration. I had little grasp on what the meaning or purpose of the story was. In Dune it took about 20 pages until I had a complete picture of basically the entire world and plot.

>>11908553
Run of the mill by what standard? It's clearly significantly more complex than just about any other sci-fi book (at least the classic ones I've read that have been recommended here) and most literary fiction for that matter. I've read about a quarter of the lit 100 and I'd say BOTNS is in the top 5 of the ones I've read in terms of complexity. You're just another anti-jerker that shows up whenever something becomes popular to pseud larp as being above it. Although the fact that you're saying fucking Dune is more complex might just mean you're a troll.

>>11908553
ok. so youre a pseud

>>11908635
It was written

>Tolkien is the wen on the arse of fantasy literature. His oeuvre is massive and contagious—you can't ignore it, so don't even try. The best you can do is consciously try to lance the boil. And there's a lot to dislike—his cod-Wagnerian pomposity, his boys-own-adventure glorying in war, his small-minded and reactionary love for hierarchical status-quos, his belief in absolute morality that blurs moral and political complexity. Tolkien's clichés—elves 'n' dwarfs 'n' magic rings—have spread like viruses. He wrote that the function of fantasy was 'consolation', thereby making it an article of policy that a fantasy writer should mollycoddle the reader.

>>11909112
Why are marxshits so awful?

What books can i read to impress any potential gfs?

>>11909233
The Bible

>>11909216
He's not wrong though. I exclusively read science fiction because fantasy writers have been obsessed with being the next Tolkien since the 60s.

>>11909233
This entire list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_books

>>11909243
That's literally the only thing he's correct about and that isn't Tolkien's fault.

>>11909112
all great writers are at least reactionary in temperament if nothing else. And yes, the Fallohides and Harfoots are an unintentional subconscious allegory for indo-europeans and old europeans on Tolkien's part lul. What a nazi

>>11909112
who is this dickhead?

>>11909308
Michael Moorcock

>>11909312
what makes him so special?

>>11909317
He's cocky

>>11909322
gotcha

>>11909317
he deconstructs/subverts genre fiction themes which he read about on tvtropes.org, it's very deep

>>11909339
how does that make him cocky and why does he look like he just came from a gay bdsm orgie?

>>11909346
>To the common man, a mountain is simply a mountain.
>To the educated man, a mountain is no longer a mountain.
>To the wise man, a mountain is once more a mountain.
He is the educated man. The archetypal redditor who likes Game of Thrones and Rick & Morty. He smells his own farts, etc. and probably can't STAND drumpf

>>11909339
deconstruction/subversion is the worst buzzword/meme of recent years

>>11909350
so like what does he do as a job?

Any fantasy about a girl with loud neighbors standing up to her and telling her to turn it down? Preferably something where the lead is an autistic shut-in and the neighbour is a scary unhinged party girl.

>>11909354
you can write your own and if you frame it as "deranged incel manipulates neighbors to turn on innocent girl" you can probably land a million dollar movie deal for it too

>>11909365
Where would the deranged incel come from?

any books where the protagonist is like Achilles from Troy?

>>11909403
The Illiad

>>11909378
>autistic shut-in

>>11909421
>Any fantasy about a girl with loud neighbors
>society viewing a girl as incel

>>11909378
Just make it autobiography.

>>11909516
See >>11909447

>>11909520
That completely irrelevant.
Only an incel would come up with something as bad as that.
Don't be like that anon. Also stop being a weeb.

>>11909528
I didn't come up with that, it's the actual situation
Also stop being a dyke.

>>11909516
>>11909528
>thotposter
Please go, I want to keep this thread free of s*x-havers

>>11909539
Before I go all I want to say is that I understand where all your negativity and anger are coming from. I hope that you will be able to grow and move past them.
Also don't be a tranny. Those dudes are the worst.

>>11909540
I am going, I am going.
Here's something a bit different for you.

>>11909528
that's a man isn't it

Started this the other day. I think I'll like it.

>>11909549
Trannies are also men. There are only real girls here.

>>11909409
Already read that. Anything else?

>>11909575
Odyssey

>>11907263

>>11909575
He's not any of the protagonists but Dan Simmons' Ilium has him

>>11909403

What is Achilles like?

>>11909585
Read that too.

>>11909590
High test alpha male.

>>11909596

Gates of Fire by Steven Pressfield

>>11909550
yeah you can tell with the face

>>11909550
No

Is there anything like the Japanese webnovel/light novel scene in the West?

>>11909755
Yes, it's called Worm.

>>11909608

ITT:
>BOTNS
>BOTNS
>BOTNS


are we being shilled here for real?

>>11909778
Of course not. The author is dead.

>>11909778
It's the low energy recommendation on the go. No one here wants to spend 10 minutes on a post with more depth.

>>11909781
DAILY
REMAINDER
THAT
GENE
WOLFE
IS
STILL
ALIVE

Ded tred.
Let's put some fire back into it.

MODERN FANTASY IS ABSOLUTE SHIT, FULL OF BASEDBOYS AND NIGGERS.

>>11908823
He thought Bilbo was there to steal the ring, and was therefore lying about being lost.

>>11910060
I want to crawl inside that ass and die.

>>11910060
Mine has neither, but it's pretty obvious you've never actually read any modern fantasy.

>>11910060
Stop avatarfagging, it's insufferable and paints an insufferable picture of you in turn.

>>11910060
I have long since learned to associate pictures of healthy and scantily-clad women in this general with bottom-tier garbage opinions and shitposting. It has forever painted you as a complete tool and the single worst poster I've seen anywhere on 4chan in recent memory. I hope you are aware of your obnoxious identity and that it was exactly what you were going for, for it has succeeded.

Furthermore, >>11910071 is right: modern fantasy has an infinite supply of books, some good, many bad - but all you're doing is whining about Jemisin's awards and wallowing in the filth of nostalgia.

In short, I feel nothing but utter contempt to you and I sincerely hope you kill yourself.

>>11909778

its both a great book and a meme so

>>11910070
>>11910071
>>11910075
>>11910109

Daily reminder that BotNS is not a difficult read, and if you think it’s overly-complex you might actually be stupid

>>11910194
Pardon?

>>11910194
An empty reaction image from an empty mind. Your mental retardation only deepens.

>>11907341
Let's be honest -- the topic really invites the kind of people who are drawn to childish nerd fights.

>>11909317
It's not Michael Morecock, it's China Mieville. His books are better than his politics.

>>11910251
People are either not interested or incapable of actually discussing the content of a book here. Haven't figured out why though. Even when people say they liked something, they can't tell you why, or even what the book is about.
So all that's left is "I'm smarter than you because I like X" and "no ur dumb, you like Y".

>>11910263
In this particular context (dislikes Tolkien, better books than politics), Moorcock and Mieville are basically interchangeable.

>>11910269
It's like a chat room - these threads are temporary and transient, gone in a couple days, purged from the Internet (barring archive that no one cares about) a little after that. More to the point, we're all anonymous. Both of these greatly contribute to why no one ever bothers to say anything truly meaningful: there's no recognition to be had for an unknown speaker, and the words won't last for long anyway.

>>11910275
Why are we here, then? If we wanted to earn internet points, there's always reddit.
Are you saying just because you don't record a conversation and score it with points, it's meaningless?
Are books meaningless because they're fiction?
I'm not asking for anyone to change the world here, but for being a literature board, there's plenty of recommendation, and really no discussion.

>>11910290
We're just here to shitpost. Ask for nothing more, and you won't be disappointed.

>>11910290
We’re here for shitposting and fleeting human contact

>>11910251
Yeah because the previous threads with normal topics went all that well.

>>11910326
The topic being science fiction and fantasy, friend.

>>11908803
Why didn't you like Dune and liked Hyperion?

>>11909447
>>11909354
Fuck off, mtf.

>>11908109
>that isn't shit and I can show off to make myself look cleverer than I am
Sounds like you need some Gene Wolfe in your life.

>>11909233
Harry Potter
Twilight
50 Shades of Gray
The Handmaid's Tale
Jane Eyre

Women are extremely easy to impress when it comes to literature, since their tastes are simplistic and generic. Don't expect them to have familiarity with anything that isn't taught as part of a school curriculum or isn't a part of California pop culture.

>>11909778
Gene Wolfe is /sffg/'s patron saint. What did you expect?

>>11910370
>Gene Wolfe is /sffg/'s patron saint
>implying

>>11910415
>tfw I can't find anywhere to pirate Doctor Death and Other Stories and Other Stories

Opinions on this? Finished the first part of it, but the second part is losing me.

>>11908775
Non those are robes

>>11910440
Asimov is a meme and overrated as fuck.

>>11910424
your piracy game is weak af

https://forum.mobilism.org/viewtopic.php?f=1293&t=2216324&hilit=gene+wolfe

>>11909354
>tranny
>calling someone else unhinged

>>11910458
>Hotmail users are unable to get confirmation emails. Please use another email (we recommend Gmail) to register.
The fuck is this shit?

>>11910290
Its just board culture. Or thread culture if you want to drill down. Sffg Anons prefer to make one line posts. I try to start discussion sometimes but it never goes very far. Honestly Goodreads review comments can have more depth

>>11910500
True.

>>11910494
>hotmail
The fuck are you even trying to do? have you not used mobilism before? You don't need to register, just use the download links at the bottom of the post.
I mean this goes without saying but you seem to be the worst pirate I've ever seen in my life, so just make sure you have ad block and shit and dont click on dumb things when you visit the download sites,

>>11910458
Wew, I must admit that I basically only checked
http://b-ok.org/ and became sad when the only download was a pdf. I will improve my piracy game.

>>11910527
Mobilism is pretty much all you need. Even if it doesn't have a book you want you can request it and it'll get posted. I've found some rare and obscure books with >100 ratings on GR not posted anywhere else just by requesting and waiting for a day or two.

b-ok you mentioned, libgen.io is another decent one. Audiobookbay.nl for audiobooks. That's pretty much it for pirating books afaik.

Feel free to post them if anyone knows any other good sources.

>>11910424
As a pirate you need to learn to grab that booty.

>>11910459
No I'm just a girl, not trying to be a man

>>11908137
>I had basically no clue what was going on through most of Shadow of the Torturer
What? How?

>>11910570
You were born as a man, therefore you're a mutilated man.

Stop pretending.

>>11907263
>hidden gem of a writer whose work you think we should all be reading
Christopher Anvil. Some of his stuff is a bit hackish, but it's almost always entertaining.

>>11909594
The Aeneid

>>11910570
You are a tranny

>>11910570
Girls don't act like you.

Just 11 more months until Crescent City.
I've never been this hyped about a book before.

>>11910500
More like we don't all read the same books, so a handful of common titles get memed ad nauseam.
The monthly reading helps a bit.

>>11910552
There's IRC if you want to be hardcore... like I am.

>>11910619
I am still on to you Throne of Glass poster.
The author is still shit.

>>11910633
I fucked around with it but honestly for things I looked for it did not help much, and new books are usually on other sites anyway.

>>11909112
It must hurt knowing that despite it all he wouldn't be writing if not for Tolkien.

>>11909317
He's a commie with rich parents, we'll never understand his suffering.

>>11910673
There was fantasy before Tolkien...

>>11909596
No, those are banned.

All you tranny lovers and haters need to stop with your bickering and fuck off back to /fit/ so the average iq around here goes up.

>>11907263
>hidden gem of a writer
Dave Duncan. He's 85 years old and still publishing books every other year. Historical fantasy writer who knows his shit about medieval England, does thorough research and writes comfy, whimsical books with witty protagonists. His books are not revolutionary or highly intellectual by any means but they have a certain charm to them and are perfect to read on a train ride.

>>11910368
>The Handmaid's Tale
Not a bad book desu, especially when you remember that the computerised banking elements didn't exist in reality when it was published so it's actually got some ominous undertones

R.A. Lafferty is highly underrated, Space Chantey alone is worth more than many lesser author's entire ouevre. I get that he got awards, but I haven't heard his name spoken or seen his name writ large on any recommendations in years.

I'm also interested in any good sci-fi romances, it doesn't have to be the focus of the book, but I'd like a Sci-Fi version of Guy Gavriel Kay's romantic plots, if that guides you.

>>11910875
Shards of Honor by Bujold is a good bet for your space romance

I've only read one Lafferty story but i understand he's a master of short stories

>>11910903

I should have guessed, Bujold's Curse of Chalion is one of my favorite, if not romances, human tales of loving relationships.

Any fantasy with a demigod protagonist and a cute mommy goddess that wasn't written thousands of years ago?

>>11910945
With incest?

>>11910965
>With incest
God i hope so

>>11910982
Purest love anon, especially if it's a goddess. But sadly I don't know books like that.

Guys, new Throne of Glass when?

>>11911018
kys ya dumfuck. don't you have anything better to do?

>>11910965
No, that's gross. Unless it's with a demigod half sister and they don't know until later.

>>11910927
Curse of Chalion was a great read. I'm not one for soapy emotional reads but the way Bujold handles her characters is special.

>>11911032
I will never understand people like you. Why does it affect you that one person does a harmlesss shitpost? It's not that serious.

>>11911047
>I will never understand people like you. Why does it affect you that one person does a harmlesss shitpost? It's not that serious.
...he says as he's triggered by a shitpost.

>>11911058
Even if that was somehow just a shitpost, are we going to pretend that every person that responds like this to some meme shitpost is just baiting to ""get"" someone like me? My question still stands, I genuinely want to know.

>>11911047
Not that anon but recommending shit books harm the overall quality of the thread and thus it's not totally harmless.

>>11911081
>oh no why are people being mean to the spamming shillfag

Go kys retard. Do you really need to ask why people ask you to fuck off when you keep spamming the throne of glass shit? Because fuck you that's why.

>>11911094
Sure, but we can never agree on what's shit and what isn't - name almost any book, and someone here will think it's shit that no one should ever bother with.

>>11910269
Because the pretense to intellectualism isn't anything more than that. These are addicts whose opiate is feeling smart because they read about philosophy. The discussions here aren't anything more than the kind of people who use inclusive pronouns to discuss professional sporting events - complete non-participants who want to feel special because they like what someone else did.

>>11911101
True enough. However every community have its own canon, a collection of works that is generally considered good. And unless it's maintained, partly by exposing false praise, it will turn to shit and the thread will be a worse place for discussion.

>>11909785
[Citation needed]

>>11910332
Hard to say. Mostly the pacing, but I also felt the characters in Dune were too unrealistic, if not weakly defined. (I only made it halfway in, so maybe the situation starts to cause them to make more sense, but it was paced so fucking poorly that I didn't care enough.) Hyperion has a couple weak characters (soldier and detective,) but the rest of the cast is very strong and the story moves reasonably.

>>11911125
Oh fuck your community. I am amazed you still don't get that there is no community. There's just a bunch of anon shitposting.
You reddit transplants are the worst.

>>11910579
see
>>11909001
I knew what was literally happening obviously but the bigger picture was confusing

Star Trek pisses me off because the POTENTIAL/CONCEPT of the series is amazing but at the level of actual writing, 90% of the episodes are stupid setting-ruining garbage (like demonstrating that time travel is trivially possible), aimed at plebs and not at real scifi fans.

Could I read anything that is like "Star Trek for non-retards?"

>>11911340
There are Star Trek novels that you could try.

>>11911344
I feel like that'd be even worse.. I've seen enough of them referenced to know that most are just character-heavy or politics-heavy Trekkie fanfics.

I'm more interested in shit like, how would it ACTUALLY go to encounter a completely alien species with a totally different way of communicating? How would you even do diplomacy? What is it like to meet a totally alien mind, can we even rely on them to have the same "kind" of thought? What happens when you encounter a civilisation that dwarfs yours in age and complexity? Or a dead civilisation? But handled in a real, hard sci fi way

Bildungsroman that aren't YA?

>>11911340

Try Sector General by James White. Its a series that has the spirit of Trek, the author experienced the Irish Troubles and gained a distaste for violence, but more focused on what is essentially medical drama in space.

>>11911356
Gormenghast.

Is this any good?

>>11911366
It's no better than throne of glass that you keep shilling. Again, kys, you stupid fuck.

>>11911373
Jesus christ you sound like a paranoid lunatic

>>11911381
There's literally nobody more autistic than you on this board soulcatcher anon, it's so easy to spot you.

>>11911391
I'm neither the person you responded to, nor the glass throne shitposter.

>>11911403
So you claim.

>>11911423
Ok, fine I posted about the Last and First Idol but I'm not the Throne of Glass spammer.

>>11911423
Yes, so it would seem.

>>11911434
You falseflagging as me isn't autistic at all

This is the world we live in.

At least we got rid of them damn shills.

>>11911455
You're an optimist, I'll give you that.

Is this the most controversial series of the last few years.
Seems like people either love or hate it.

>>11911466
MAGNA

>>11911356
Kafka on the Shore

>>11911352
Have you read Chiang's Story of Your Life

The absolute state of these threads.

Underrated.

Never faded.

>>11911527
>A powerful and gripping debut grimdark fantasy novel....

No.
Rated 3.50 with 209 ratings, not even goodreads that likes to suck the dicks of shitty debut authors, especially if it happens to be edgy GRIMDARK happens to like this one.

>>11911527
Are those Romans?

>>11911545
How did it get 209 ratings to begin with, though?

>>11911545
>grimdark

>>11911444
It gets worse, he's falseflagging as me too.

>>11911125
>>11911289
>Community
>canon
Nah fuck that shit. 4Chan isn't the internet hate machine that some idiots here but into but neither is it a community of like minded people with common values. We are a bunch of bored losers, autists, shills, and retards who come here to blow off misdirected anger, trick the unwary, act like idiots, and shitpost. A canon "Approved by 4chan" is an oxymoron and the last thing any author wants for their book.

>>11911587
Stop talking to yourself.

>gridmdark
But what about nobledark?

>>11911603
Nobledark is far less known outside 4chan and as such won't sell shit.

Which is a shame because I vastly prefer it over grimdark.

Why doesn’t anyone ever talk about this masterpiece? Is it too far towards “real” literature to come up in /sffg/?

>>11911606
Me too. Is there any list of that stuff?

Ann Leckie defends NK Jemisin

>https://www.annleckie.com/2018/08/27/on-liking-stuff-or-not/#

>>11911631
Who's Ann Leckie again?

>Tried reading Sanderson before (though it was the Stormlight Archive) and don't plan on doing it again.
>Not a fan of his depiction of mentally ill / traumatized people in the Cosmere, most of all. Made a topic on that last week or so and it was tiring, so forgive me if I'm not up to going further into it.
>But, either way, I don't want to read works by someone whose views clash with mine on things I feel deeply about. I want to read for entertainment and introspection, not to internally screech at every second because I think the author is blatanly wrong. Even of that can be a fine line to walk, sometimes! :P

>>11911634
She wrote Ancillary Justice, that too won a whole bunch of hugos, nebulas and other shitty awards

>>11911637
>>But, either way, I don't want to read works by someone whose views clash with mine on things I feel deeply about. I want to read for entertainment and introspection, not to internally screech at every second because I think the author is blatanly wrong. Even of that can be a fine line to walk, sometimes! :P
But this is why no one here reads Jemisin. Or women in general

>>11911650
>Or women in general

Lois McMaster Bujold and Robin Hobb are great.

>>11911650
Earthsea is recommended fairly regularly. I personally didn't like it because I didn't like the main driving plot device, but it was a fine book otherwise. Women can write good fantasy, but most don't. Most men don't, either, but more try.

>>11911650
speak for yourself, incel. i don't get triggered over gender.

>>11911637
Normalfag idiot kill yourself

>>11911672
>lack of reading comprehension
do you even read books?

Hi guys I want to read Hyperion but I’ve heard the sequels suck. What’s the SFG consensus?

>>11911668
How do I know you're a virgin?

>>11911690

Read the first two books and you'll be fine. Read the last two books if you want to find out the depths an author will go to when he replaces his addiction to Keats with a love for space loli jesus.

I was the original sinner, the original soulcatcher poster. You are cursed, faggots. CURSED!

Me and the queen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3y-lgc5WK8

>>11911711
Blessed*
Never before has a waifu made so many fags seethe.

>>11911712
cmonbruh you no i cant listen to gays and women talk why you gotta do me like dat

>>11911720
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the spam in general that we dislike, rather than its subject matter?

>>11911711
Good lad, I remember returning here after some months and finding out that some mad lad is posting my waifu.

>>11911728
Basically, except for that one nutter who had a breakdown the spam has pretty much stopped.

>It's analogous to real world history!!!

>>11911869
>it's anal

>>11911869
reminder Tolkien hated allegory and denied all the comparisons people made between Lord of the Rings and WWII etc.

>>11911933
But didn't he made other allegories?

>>11911598
>>11911125 has a point, though. If this were reddit, we'd see a lot more stuff recommended because drum circles and kumbaya and your opinion has value while weaksauce stuff gets so trashed here that the person who put it forward flees in dismay, with feefees in tatters. So the people who tend to hang out here and shill their pet book are less likely to recoil from withering scorn, or are capable of scathing rejoinders themselves. The upshot is, there is a canon even if it's just because it's reduced in breadth than reddit's. The sort of person who seeks out acclaimed works prefers a limited scope in recommendations so she's not overwhelmed by choice. Ergo, /sffg/'s canon trumps reddit's, at least in this aspect.

>>11911942
It wasn't WW2 specifically, he explicitly shared his distaste for allegorical fiction in the foreword to the second edition of the Fellowship of the Ring.

>>11911959
I wasn't talking about WW2 but things like Shire being similar to English countryside and so on.

>>11911639
I am beginning to see a pattern here.

>>11911712
Like what is wrong with you basedboy? Like really?

>>11911933
I am beginning to like this Tolkien dude. Did he write anything good?

>>11911972
Your insistence on continuing this farce is nearly as admirable as it is obnoxious.

>>11911963
Well that isn't really story/plot stuff, just worldbuilding

>>11911712
>the comments

>>11911987
What farce, pray tell?

Who read dis? Is it as good as the first book?

>>11910570
You’re mentally ill and should seek help

>>11911631
Why does she need to be defended? Every author has people that don’t like their work

>>11911712
Jesus. I now understand why people feel that if you are a man and read books you are a faggot....

Those comments are horrible.
>"Omg, she is like, so pretty."
So people (teenage girls and fags) are just reading her because she is "pretty"? Do they know what she had to do on the printing couch to be published?
Someone tried to have me banned from a private torrent forum because I said Sarah Maas books were shit... So many immature readers...

>>11912072
Black female authors are more fragile (probably on account of shit work).

>>11912077
> because I said Sarah Maas books were shit... So many immature readers...

Have you even read them?

>So people (teenage girls and fags) are just reading her because she is "pretty"?

No, they read the books and found out she's super pretty too.

>>11911545
I think publishers slap the 'grimderp' tag on books these days because they know that shit is the new hot trend. I read a book recently described as grimdark on the cover and it wasn't AT ALL.

>>11912077
>So people (teenage girls and fags) are just reading her because she is "pretty"?
You misunderstand. that's all fake. Women always give hyperbolic saccharine compliments that are so exaggerated and doled out so consistently that they are effectively saying nothing. Social media isn't mentally healthy for anyone but it seriously fucks with females

>>11912112
She ain't never gonna fuck you bro.

>>11910458
Please request Mortu and Kyrus in the White City on moblilism. I don't have enough WRZ$ to request it.

>>11912077
They read her because she gets marketed and she gets marketed because she's Jewish.

>>11912140
>>>/pol/

You say that as if non jewish shitty authors don't get marketed or read by teenage girls.

>>11911608
It's boring, I liked the sequel better (more action)

Redpill me on the Green Man

>>11912427
The green men of Barsoom are easily the most effective fighting force on the planet, though without a warlord they lack the leadership to mobilize en masse, and are generally more content to live as warring nomads than to make any effort towards establishing a lasting civilization on their dying world.

>>11912052
I just finished it. It still has a lot of the aspects I liked from the first book, but the pacing felt somewhat worse in the second. The characters are still interesting and the plot moves along and we discover more of the world, but I don't know why he cut down on the action scenes, it's really the only complaint I have, but it is a pretty glaring one with how action heavy the first book was.

can someone redpill me on nk jemisin controversy?

>>11907618
>Asimov's The Foundation original trilogy
>Cixin's The Three Body Problem trilogy. The Wandering Earth short stories are ok but mostly meh
Cixin includes literal /a/ girls.

>>11912587
What controversy?
She's black and a shit writer, pretty usual.

>>11912609

so we aren't allowed to not like ehr because black woman?

>>11912138
Wrz are meaningless, every account starts with 50. Just make 4-5 accounts and donate them all into one account. Create an upload request and make sure you put '200 wrz' in the title. You'll have your book in no time.

About the whole Steerspike problem, why did the castle guards not just wear helmets?

>>11912615
Allowed to? Nigga I am not your mother.
She gives reasons aplenty to dislike her, go for it.

I wish I was creative.

>>11912655
just b urself lol

>>11912655

>>11912651

i think you misunderstand me.

>>11912587
I have read two of her books, Broken Earth 1&2, and in general liked them. Fantasy with science fiction elements that felt novel to me, personally.

>>11912667
It's not that you shouldn't like her because she's black. It's that academics and media like her for the same reason. Either way, her writing doesn't even enter the picture, which is entirely backwards. She's supposed to be an author and not some black media person.

>>11912667
It's okay to not like darkies anon.

>>11912587
The controversy is she a mediocre-to-shit writer who writes 'woke' soi-fi and fantasoy and gets awards based on the fact she's a black woman who writes this shit.

>>11912595
Not /sffg/ related but what are some books on the warrior's mindset that some characters on the Three Body trilogy have.
The story Devourer is good too.

>>11912748
No necessarily a book "on the warrior's mindset" but you should read Use of Weapons by Banks

>>11912767
not*

Any books that people that go achoo achoo achooooo would like?

>>11912783
God Bless You books by Kurt Vonnegut

>>11912796
I was thinking sci fi or fantasy

>>11912805
Not /lit/, but Stand Still Stay Silent.

NEW THREAD YOU SHITS

>>11912875
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>>11912823
Did a man cough in Brazil?

>>11912427
The fuck are you talking about?