/lit/ - Literature

Anti-Soulcatcher fag a fag

sf/f definitely needs more catgirls

>>11894372
you need less oxygen

>new Undying Mercenaries
Awesome.

>>11894323
>bug head but that body
Talk about a butter face

>monthly reading anon was the one complaining about the greentext links all those months ago
>he removed them because he uses a shit browser that couldn't link with a > infront

Is Sanderson really that bad? The last time I tried reading something that popular I ended up hating it (Kingkiller).

>>11894546
I've never actually read any of his work, but WoTfags love him and they have a habbit of loving shite,

I just got to the part where they are going into the Glasshouse. Oh boy.

>>11894546

What you usually read? But if you didn't like Rothfuss I don't think you're gonna like Sanderson.

>>11894546
Wouldn't really compare him to Rothfuss, who disappeared in his own ass already when he decided to spend years polishing the turd that is Name of the Wind. Sanderson seems like honest down to earth guy who knows his stuff is the novel equivalent of popcorn flicks. If you're not looking for exactly the specific stuff he excels in, that is magic systems, worldbuilding and fuckhuge series that hold you hostage, you're going to be disappointed.

Has this been done before?

>kid travels to a wonderland knockoff and goes on a quest to get home
>along the way however he meets other kids trapped in the world
>from them he learns that they've been looking for a way home for years without success, and no human who came here has ever managed to escape
>the nonsensical nature of this world may seem comical at first, but it's not an environment that was ever meant to sustain human life
>as a result, the few humans who remain here have banded together to survive

>>11894546
His plots are formulaic, his prose is average, his characters are truly awful and he can't write dialogue. He's good at world building, creating interesting magic systems and shitting out books at a rapid pace.
All things considered he appeals to the newbies and the ya crowd who want something more than ya but not a lot more.
If that sounds like your things by all means knock yourself out.
That said, I'm not the biggest fan of Name of the Wind but imo it's far better than anything Sanderson has ever written.

Who here /hyped/ for Stormlight 4?
>/sffg/‘s face when based sanderson DABS on them every single thread

>>11894400
I read steal world and holy shit was that bad. If you’re the fuck who suggested it I hope your worst nightmare comes true

>>11894607
Sandersons books at least have better pacing and overall plot. Name of the wind is a slog about a kid trying to pay for school 30% of the time

is Robin Hobb's stuff good

>>11894690
shes good.

>muh magic systems
Anyone that cares about this should be beheaded.

>>11894690
Yes, Farseer has it's ups and downs though. Livership Traders is where it gets really good.

Hobb is just flat out one of the most gifted fantasy writers though, she's definitely worth checking out. Nobody does characters like she does.

>>11894704
>>11894697
What's better Farseer or Tawny Man

>>11894717
comes down to personal opinion but i like farseer more. both are pretty good.

>>11894594
Kinda sounds like the creepypasta Dogscape

goddamn connor got rekt

>>11894883
There goes my tenner.

>>11894908
mma is gay anyway. the post match was 10 times more entertaining than the fight.

>>11894653
>entire book dedicated to flashbacks
what

>>11894936
>shallan

>>11894653
>>11894936
>being unironically hyped for Eshonai's flashbacks

Any evil waifus poped up recently?

>>11894967
waifus have been banished, this is a waifu free zone now

Comfy reads like His Majesty's Dragon?

>>11894980
Blood Song is comfy af

>>11894973
>mcgregor loses against a mud
>waifus banned

>>11894936
>entire book dedicated to flashbacks
yes anon, all 3 1000-page books so far have been flashbacks without any actual plot or story, maybe by book 6 we'll finally see one of our main characters do something in the present day!

>>11894967
name 3 (three) evil waifus

So is this book a meme? I'm sick of getting tricked into reading garbage.

>>11895045
Dara, Soulcatcher and Melisandre.

>>11895051
>expecting anything good out of a book titled The Grey Bastards

>>11895077
>literally judging a book by its cover

>>11894690
I was supper disappointed with the end of the Assassin series. It felt like there should have originally been four books but then the publishers changed their mind and told Hobb "this will be a trilogy after all, just wrap everything up in the last ten pages"

Anything like Three Body Problem that was released in the past few years?

>>11895051
>Rob, this one is for you, brother. You better fucking know why.
lol even the dedication is edgy. Why do all these modern "edgy" fantasies come across as so forced and try-hard?

>>11895152
>"Sons of Anarchy with half-orcs…"

>>11895077
>>11895152
Yeah, the title, the dedication and the first few pages made me back away because fuck. But I've seen some very good reviews so I thought maybe I was judging it too soon.

>>11895190
I LIKE the idea of a novel about half-orcs riding giant boars, but then like I mentioned here >>11895152 I know the edginess will come across as really forced in an attempt to be "cool." Say what you want about a writer like Bakker (Allah knows I have), but at least the edginess in his novels doesn't feel super try-hard like he's TRYING to impress people with it.

*BTFOs God with a dead cat*

>>11895221
>Allah knows I have

>>11895288

>>11895351

Reading House of Chains. Karsa Orlong is a very interesting person. I never thought I'd feel this much sympathy for a guy who thinks murder and rape are a virtue.

>>11895152
>>11895155
>>11895221
>Sons of Anarchy
I wonder whether the "Anarchy" in this scenario is the orc or the human side?

I don't wonder enough to actually READ the book. But I do wonder.

>>11895382
>rape a village full of women
>have the audacity to say "CIVILIZATION IS BAD" a few books later cause you found a homeless guy in the street

>>11895464
>rape a village full of women
Yes, "rape". They threw themselves at him.

>>11895467
They did not.

>>11895473
Yes they did. They completely volunteered themselves without a fight.

>>11895481
They didn't have a choice.

>>11895481
Coercion is also rape.

>>11895490
So is any intercourse without a written and signed statement or one the woman regrets.

>>11895487
>>11895490
Karsa is a good boy, he dindu nothin.

>>11895493
No, that's regret or revenge.

>>11895493
Retroactively withdrawing consent is a woman's right no matter how long ago the sex was had.

>>11895497
Especially when that period is longer than 30 years.

>>11895514
>chapter upon chapter of boring domestic drama and cucking
When is this going to get good?

>thread's dead for hours
>rape gets mentioned
>thread comes alive
Worrying.

So I just finished picrel, would somebody be so kind as to rec me some more sf with first contact/humanity discovering alien civilizations?
Preferably more ambiguous and mysterious, not starwars-y.

>>11894400
Fuck yeah! BVL continues to dish out chad sci-fi. Will read.

>>11895521
>Worrying
Not at all, simply predictable. It's a hot topic that everyone everywhere either thinks they have a really smart opinion of that no one else has ever thought about, or simply wants to come over and vomit out a few easy and tired baits.

Best thing you can do is to steer clear out of it and let them vent their shit. Won't be long.

>>11895534
>Best thing you can do is to steer clear out of it and let them vent their shit. Won't be long.
>he doesn't know I was the one who first mentioned it

>>11895536
Well, now you'll know better.

>>11895521
Where do you think you are?

>>11895521
You think time was spent on these for giggles?
People are interested in them.

>>11895727
>that wild wastes cover
Does protagonist get hot dark (grey) elf waifu?

Honestly, after this series and I try looking for something else and see it's written by a man, I'll skip it for something better.

>>11895727
>WARNING: “Good Intentions” contains explicit sexuality, violence, nudity, inappropriate use of church property, portrayals of beings divine and demonic bearing little or no resemblance to established religion or mythology, trespassing, bad language, sacrilege, blasphemy, attempted murder, arguable murder, divinely mandated murder, justifiable murder, filthy murder, sexual promiscuity, kidnapping, attempted rape, arson, dead animals, desecrated graves, gang activity, theft, assault and battery, panties, misuse of the 911 system, fantasy depictions of sorcery and witchcraft, multiple references to various matters of fandom, questionable interrogation tactics, cell phone abuse, reckless driving, consistent abuse of vampires (because they deserve it), even more explicit sexuality, illegal use of firearms within city limits, polyamory, abuse of authority, hit and run driving, destruction of private property, underage drinking, disturbances of the peace, disorderly conduct, internet harassment, bearers of false witness, mayhem, dismemberment, falsification of records, tax evasion, an uncomfortably sexy mother, bad study habits, and a very silly white guy inappropriately calling another white guy “nigga” (for which he will surely suffer).

>>11895758

>>11894594
Sounds interesting, like backwards Peter Pan

>>11895741
That write by a women.

>>11895836
Did you even read my post?

Women are better authors than males.
Throne of Glass is better than anything written by a male in the last 20 years.

>>11894323
Is red sister actually any good?

>>11895826
It sounds like an episode of rick and morty.

>>11895741
Fuck you and your literary aids.

>whyyytah gurl outraged by slavery

>>11895889
>Arya Stark goes to Hogwarts to train to be a magic battle nun

Oh and she has wolverine claws. That's the book in a nutshell. It's decent but a little YA'ey at times. Better than any of Mark Lawrence's other for sure.

>>11894883
FUCK!

>>11895516
Pls let's no go there.

>>11895382
They are virtues, anon.

Not polite ones mind you.

>>11895929
Fuck it I'm in.

What fantasy really captures that "fuck you leatherman" spirit?

>>11895953
>It is important, when killing a nun, to ensure that you bring an army of sufficient size.

>>11895929
Who actually reads all this YA novels? Study after study states that actual young adults simply do not read. So who's reading all this YA drek?

>>11895979
YOUNG adults are pretty far removed from adults, anon.

>>11895979
Beards, both of the neck and leg variety.

>>11895979
25-55 year old women

>>11895146
The Dark Forest

>>11895998
The same could be said about all books. The majority is simply overwhelmingly women, even in areas where other media enjoy a male target audience.
This is why sffg is like 95% women.

>>11895992
>>11895998
Neckbeards I get but women?
Don't they have their own genre for sexually frustrated middle aged housewives? Something along the lines of 50 Shades of Gay.

>>11896014
95% trannies.

>>11896023
Women aren't a monolithic block

>>11896023
No the trannies make up the other 5%

>>11896023
Romance doesn't quite fill the gap that an appeal to stunted emotional development does.
It's about replacing some frumpy assholes boring childhood with a magical one they can experience well into ther mid fourties.

well this actually turned out to be utter garbage

Is Demon Cycle worth anything? The first book sounds good.

>>11896083
Throne of Glass was better but Demon Cycle is decent too.

>>11896053
It’s a current years Hugo winner of course it’s garbage

>>11896083

Yeah. You've got to be a little patient with the overly pastoral setting/pace of the first third (or so) of book one.

You also have to force yourself to push past the fact that it's a fucking idiotic premise that was pretty dumb when it was Castlevania 2 on NES ("What a horrible night for a curse!"). If vicious indestructable monsters spawned every night, about twenty feet apart, everywhere the darkness touched the earth, it would take about a week for there to be no life left on the planet.

But if you can ignore how astronomically stupid it is, it's actually pretty decent fantasy that delves into some surprisingly well-developed cultures. And it strides the line between heroic fantasy and grimdark neatly.

>>11895929
What does 'a little YA-y' actually mean?

>>11896102
Has some characteristics associated with young adult novels.

>>11896091
The first novella in the series won the Hugo and Nebula and it's actually good, no sjw nonsense. The on I'm talking about is the fourth novella in the series.

There's just something about reading on an oled screen with white letters on black background.

>>11896213
Which are in this case?

>>11894546
>she struggled to contain her awesomeness
like other people said, he can't write characters but the world-building is interesting

>>11896235
Fast paced and shallow plot lines with instant gratification conclusions told from the pov of a child.

>>11894690
Farseer trilogy is great and definitely worth the read
Liveship traders is enjoyable but I personally hate the characters
Tawny Man trilogy is the best
Rain Wild Chronicles are my least favorite, I thought they trivialized the entire tawny man plot and the characters were worse than the liveship traders
I haven't read the fitz and the fool trilogy yet

>>11895524

I finished the Farseer Trilogy recently and I feel betrayed and lied to.

For thee books named Assassin's Apprentice, Royal Assassin and Assassin's Quest none of them have a lot of assassinating going on.

That god damn autistic kid Fitz ain't no fucking assassin, he's a glorified herbalist who gets his ass kicked every which way across the entire continent. I probably would have liked the series a lot more if the titles weren't so bloody misleading.

Finally read Do androids dream and was very underwhelmed, I thought it was supposed to be a classic.

I thought the androids had an alarm to overwhelm humans nearby with extreme panic when the alarm goes off, it didn't say the range but it seems neither Deckard or the nearby dumbass got affected by it?

Also, why are the androids so poorly equipped? you would think they would have some decent weaponry coming from a better world or not miss twice point blank.

>>11894546
Terrible dialogue, SOME interesting world building. I honestly liked kingkiller better, but looking back neither are worth your time unless you want something easily digestible

>>11895758
I legit read this back when it was on literotica. I was fucking stunned when I saw it was like an actual book or something now.

Why read erotica when you can play text based games?

>>11894234
You're not missing out on anything. I tried reading some of the books listed there and it's just pure trash.

>>11896311
How would you rate it?

Currently reading this. What am I in for?

>>11896340
Keep reading and find out yourself.

>>11896337
I certainly enjoyed it when I was like 16 or whatever. It was pure wish fulfillment but it had lots of sex and the characters were fairly likable.
Not sure how it holds up today, but erotica in general has become really stale for me. It's either well written (relatively) with no actual fucking in it or nothing but sex but written by 70-IQ ESL motherfuckers.

>>11895889
I found it extremely boring

Which Mieville book is the best? Furthermore City Of Stairs sounds pretty fun. Is it or is it more boring fantasy garbage.

Just ordered 5-6 books by Lem.

>>11896083
It’s absolute dogshite.

>>11896428
>buying books by dead authors

>>11896444
>giving money to living hacks

>>11896444
>>11896457
>Buying books at all in 2018

>>11896466
>reading at all when audiobooks exist

>>11896484
>not just playing video games

Well that was surprisingly good.

>>11896485
>not just going outside

>>11896506
>not just masturbating inside the house

>>11896516
>Not just reading for pleasure

Comics > Literature

>>11896537
/lit/ has marxists but /co/ is still faggier.

>>11896537
Just be into both like a true autist.

>>11896340
orientalist shit-tier genre fiction. Only "good" if you have no horizon beyond the Anglosphere/Western culture.

Book is about native Arabs and their "savage wisdom" and white man coming over and saving them/freeing them.

And the author sucks so bad that he always has to provide thoughts of the characters in italics. Not to mention that only characters with WHITE names get inner monologues.

Fun fact: this text cannot be translated into Arabic. It would make no sense, and fall flat as a piece of literature.

>>11896495
>female special forces

>>11896573
>reddit spacing

>>11896495
Wait till book 2-3 and adare

>>11896573
t. Habib Harkonnen

>>11896614
How long should i wait?

>>11895524

>>11896573
>And the author sucks so bad that he always has to provide thoughts of the characters in italics.

God, I hate when authors do that.

2019 can't come soon enough.

Quite like Vox Day's Arts of Dark and Light series so far, even if the guy's a cunt. Don't like the idea of Roman legionnaires coexisting with French knights in full plate though would have been better if they were more like Cataphracts.

>>11896573
This post makes me want to see Dune get Chinua ACHEBE'd Arab style.

Would be interesting.

>>11896722
Is it good?

>>11896787
>sold with cory doctorow referring to game of thrones
I'd bet on a yikes

Wait, so the witch is like thirty? And yet she's described as some crone.
Why does everybody die so early? What is this shit, stone age?

>>11896800
Must be all the unhealthy living.

>>11896722
>Game of Thrones meets Expanse
I think we have a future classic on our hands.

>>11896427
Honestly City of Stairs isn't very good. And Robert Jackson Bennett isn't very good, either.

>>11896809
What anime?

>>11896847
Looks like Planetarian with joke subs

>>11896573
Nice pasta, saved.

>>11896888
no pasta, though. I fucking hate this book and it's ((alien language)) which is literally Arabic.

>>11897030
That's a lot of hatred directed towards a book of genre fiction. I can't imagine it to be healthy.

>>11897030
Relax
https://youtu.be/YrQtriBH0tE

>>11897075
>https://youtu.be/YrQtriBH0tE
not healthy, I agree, but I stand by what I say.

>>11897082
thanks, anon.

Is there even a single fucking book or author that people here can agree upon?

As someone who has little experience with fantasy or science fiction, these threads are driving me insane.

>>11897143
Of course not.

>>11897143
I can't recall anyone ever saying anything bad about Discworld. Probably someone would have if we talked more about it.

>>11897143
Tolkien and Zelazny

>>11897161
Just in the last thread someone trashed Chronicles of Amber, so not really. Tolkien is in his own league anyway.

Braefar might be a beautiful wide hipped trap goddess, but he is an annoying little shit

>>11897143
Wolfe

>>11897143
>different people having different opinions drive me insane.
...

>As someone who has little experience with fantasy or science fiction
If you want less arguing, just create a recommendation thread on Reddit.

Or start with https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21333.jpg

>>11897143
Wolfe is best bet. But thankfully the answer is no.

>>11896573
>Fun fact: this text cannot be translated into Arabic
Wait, why?

>>11897143
This is not possible because people have different tastes and look for different things in novels. But I get you, I never know what I'm supposed to try out.

>>11895960
i would like to know the answer to this as well.
Seriously, any fantasy/scifi books where the characters show each other who's boss of this gym? Not literally, but in spirit

>>11896573
inshallah brother

>>11897206
>>11897200
>>11897198
The point is less about different preferences, perspectives and favorites, but rather that there seems to be at least one person for every author or novel that just completely trashes them and denies that they're even worth a second of your time. Very exhausting.

>>11897223
I repeat that I'm yet to see that happen with Discworld.

>>11897218
Can't you just shove a gerbil up your ass or whatever you fags do to masturbate *before* you post here?

>>11897230
discworld is fucking trash

>>11897204
because the fucking alien language is Arabic. aliens having baklawa! How absurd would that be in Arabic.
Imagine reading a sci-fi novel about a distant planet and learning that they dip them before taking a bite off of their doughnuts. That's Dune for you.

>>11897233
You can't do that now! What am I, a woman who asks her husband to maybe show some affection every once in a while, and he immediately buys a bunch of flowers? Obviously it doesn't mean anything!

You have no idea how women work, anon. Are you even a woman at all? I thought we were all women.

>>11897231
it's not gay for male characters to have a friendly rivalry rassle (literal or figurative)

>>11895524

>>11897223
>polarized opinions are exhausting
Maybe go to a forum for a specific author/series if you can't handle a little trashtalk.
Babyboii.

I feel happy for the foreigner and the witch. I hope no death or cuckoldry will get in their way.

>>11897166
Well you're always going to have one retard, I'd add Kay, Wolfe, Moorcock and Pratchett too.

>>11897290
They're not talked about much but Kim Stanley Robinson and Brian Aldiss too, I think

>>11897256
I'm looking for recommendations, not fanboy praise.

>>11897325
Just read Throne of Glass like all of us.

>>11897417
Why is that series such a meme here

>>11897469
It's good and well received.

>>11897268
Yeah me too anon :)

>>11896573
Your faggotry aside I feel like this is an opportune time for the obvious comparison to be made.

Will he ever finish it?

>>11897501
No. He'll die before he completes the series and it will have to be completed by Sanderson.

>>11897578
sounds fun

>>11897143
BotNS, Discworld, Conan by Howard and Howl's Moving Castle come to mind.

>>11895481
>>11895467
is this like when throngs of naked native women in the phillipines came running up to the ships of portuguese explorers

>>11896573
the desert isn't there to be vaguely Arab, it's there to draw parallels to the new testament

Prince of Thorns, how is it?

>>11897682
Edgy in the stupid way.

>>11897682
trash and edgy

>>11897160
>>11897589
i don't like discworld, it feels somehow more juvenile than douglas adams

>>11897682
About as good as Duke's Blades of Obsidian at Midnight.

>>11897691
Is that a real book? I'm picturing an occasionally amusing parody of all the edgy bullshit we keep reading.

>>11897707
No, not that I know of. I was making fun of formulaic novel titles. It's gotten so bad I am beginning to think there is some name generator out there, kinda like the one for porno names.
But if you want a quick synopsis - it's the Highlander (the movie) kind of tournament in which various nobleman (and woman for those SJW bucks) fight with pitch-black obsidian blades in almost total dark at midnight. It's already been slated as a trilogy with a tv show deal in the works.

>>11896809
>>Game of Thrones meets Expanse
Just vomited out of my ass reading that.

>>11896277
It was sort of hilarious how easily Deckard killed them all compared to how it went in the movie.

>>11897682
Well I liked it ... a lot.

>>11896277
>not a single thought given to themes, societal trends, or commentaries
>"the andys should have had better guns"
damn

>>11897247
Well MAYBE your husband would buy you flowers if you ever took interest in his god damn day at work!

>>11897417
I couldn't get past the first five pages
>le angry tough badass female MC
>namedropping faggots I know nothing about
>le woman alone in le man's world

>>11897682
legitimately the worst book I have ever attempted to read, and one of the few I was unable to finish.

>>11897684
>>11897686
>>11897872
What is so bad about it?
Honestly, this is why I love /lit/. Everywhere else I saw people sucking Mark Lawrence's dick, this is the only place I saw some criticism.
Thank you, for real.

>>11897880
We are not easily impressed by edgy grimderp like everyone else seems to be. We're aware that simply making something edgy and grimderp and nihilistic doesn't make it automatically good.

>>11897880
By "everywhere else" I assume you mean /r/fantasy, where Mark Lawrence is an active poster of "one of us" status there. I honestly haven't read him, but whenever an author replies in every thread about them, I assume they're trash.

>>11897956
I'm talking about goodreads and two image-boards from my country.

>>11897956
it just occurred to me that some of the writers discussed here could be in these threads

>>11897966
They're all faggots then.

>>11897869
I'm sorry to inform you anon but you have fallen for the throne of glass meme, it's shilled in every thread by the same fag talking about how great it is to trick people like you into reading it.

>>11897966
I'm certain there are at least a couple published authors here, but they aren't posting about their own work.

>>11897973
based

>>11897994
Shut up, Bakker. You faggot.

>>11897966
Do you think Tolkien posts on /lit/?

/sffg/ collab book like Tundra when?

We just read the books.

>>11897880
I honestly don't remember a lot of it but I'll list a few.
>Completely atrocious descriptions of landscapes, I literally had to re-read a paragraph several times, asked my brother what he thought of it, and we still didn't know WHAT the fuck he is trying to say
>unlikeable, anime-MC hero, kills his men for no reason and is lauded as a amazing leader
>violence for the sake of violence, it's not shocking, it's not new, it's just embarrassing when a clearly incompetent writer tries to get poetic about a scrawny teenager killing grown men

>>11897880
The MC is extremely unlikeable and annoying just for the sake of it because GRIMDARK. It's about a 10 year old who runs away from home and joins a "road crew" and becomes their leader by 14, you know because he's just that much of a psycho that he scares the ever living shit out of killers and cut throats into following him.

It's also full of deus ex machina bullshit and the plotlines are extremely contrived into making it look like if you're evil enough anything will work. For example the protagonist is challenged to overtake a fort which has never been breached before and he does it by finding nukes lying around just like that and nuking the place. Yes, he breaks into a secure vault by "convincing the AI" that he's a friend, gets in and somehow manages to launch nukes even though he's never in his life encountered technology before because it's all that simple and if you're evil enough everything is easy because GRIMDARK.

>>11896273
I didn't read that but it's like complaining Shadow of the Torturer doesn't have a lot of torturing in it, and it's basically about a dude who likes to ramble and pretends he's super edgy and badass in front of women.

>>11896340
I liked it the third time I started. The first 2 times it was impossible to get anywhere with it, and hated it, hated Paul, it was a slog. But the third time I tried something changed and I binged it, Messiah and Children in like 2 weeks, and barely finished God-Emperor a few days ago.
It was a good ride. Glad I read them, but not sure I can go beyond God-Emperor.

Is The First Law really that good? Literally all the fags I follow on that shitty book website liked it which is something I haven't seen with any other series.

>>11898220
>on that shitty book website
/r/fantasy?

>>11898220
See >>11897907

>>11898220
it's alright, ends poorly
the stand-alones are godawful trash

>>11898225
Nah, Goodreads but that probably isn't any better.

>>11898239
Yeah, that's why I'm asking here.

Dunno why you people diss Reddit so much, it's way better than this place. I've been here for years, it's all just bad memes, contrarian faggotry and very little actual discussion now.
Ya the majority on Reddit have terrible opinions and they're sjw cucks but at least books get discussed and recommended there.
These days Sanderson gets more praise here than on Reddit where they have Sanderson hate threads on a regular basis and actually discuss what he does and doesn't do well.

>>11898246
You have to go back

>>11894323
Newfag here. Can someone explain to me what's the big deal with magic systems in fantasy fiction? I thought this was some shit from vidya.

>>11898246
reddit's rankings
pic says it all desu

>>11898259
Make me fagit

>>11898260
Some paper RPGs were influenced by rules in works of fantasy fiction. Video RPGs come from paper RPGs. In video games you really only see the MP/Magic meter/energy system though, and sometimes mage/wizard/black magic vs cleric/white magic. Few video games require you to prepare certain spells, like Final Fantasy.
It actually gets profoundly more autistic in fantasy fiction and manga/anime than it is in video games, believe it or not

I finished the book. Are the other books as good?

>>11898305
yes

>>11898310
Then I think I will read them

>>11898305
?

>>11898320
Sword in the storm

>>11898246
>Dunno why you people diss Reddit so much, it's way better than this place.
Maybe for discussion, but not for taste and recs. They have a shit taste.

>>11898334
Yes, they're all good. Ravenheart is the best.

>"what are you reading, anon?"
>"Sword in the Storm"
>"What's it about?"
>"I don't know yet"
I'm almost halfway through the book

>>11898346
It's about connavar. Are you some kind of dumdum?

>>11898220
It's typical edgy, nihilistic grimderp. So if that tickles your pickle then go ahead and read it.

>>11898334
Yes, but the last two books take place centuries later and have flintlock pistols and rifles and shit.

How do I increase my iq so I can read gene wolfe without getting lost in the challenging prose?

It's over, /sffg/. I have you cornered.
Preorder Stormlight 4 and you'll be alright.
Insult Shallan one more time and I'm allomancing this lead through your skull.

>>11898387
I could forgive your anime books, Brandon, but I could never forgive the fact that you told aspiring writers they shouldn't bother writing short fiction. That's the equivalent of a director telling aspiring directors they shouldn't bother directing anything other than capeshit.

>>11896524
>reading for pleasure
Shiggy diggy

>>11898275
jesus, what a bunch of queers

>>11898346
>Sword in the Storm
What's the GRI rating?
Did the protagonist try to stick his sister / mother like in legend?

Was altered Carbon as bad as the netflix show, or are those books actually readable?
I'm so fucking sick of Sci-Fi with shitty morals. Obviously Sci-Fi is a great tool to comment on the human condition, but who draws these shitty fucking conclusions. Like in altered carbon, where APPARENTLY the fucking moral is that humans kinda become assholes after being over 100 years old So a militant group just decides "hey let's just kill everyone at that point" and the whole show acts like that's the right solution and the proper way to go. No question about having the right to do that, no question about what would happen to large parts of the population, just "yeah that sounds right, let's do it". It fucking sucks. It boils down to "Maybe all this tech has a... DOWNSIDE?" And that's such a shitty conclusion to draw.

Same with the ready player one book. All this cybershit for him in the end look at his girl and go: "Fuck online, IRL only for me now", apparently the movie went even further turning the Oasis off 2 days a week. Yeah great fucking job you have done there. What about all the people that work in there? They're now all missing 2 days of work.
I want fucking Sci-Fi that teaches me about humans, not Sci-Fi that just points at transhumanism and just goes "DAS BAD!" like some sort of alabama preacher, for fucks sake.

Fuck yes /sffg/! I've finally started to get the plot and setting down for that subway to another universe idea

I have a starting point!

>>11898386
Start with someone less complicated and read constantly. Work your way up.

that or read Latro In The Mist

>>11898260
it's not too surprising. Every culture in the world has had its own form of magic at some point and those forms of magic all had different mechanics and explanations. Magic systems in fiction are built off of magic systems irl

Name me some sci-fi for the suicidal man.

>>11898551
please don't bring /tv/ and their cunnies in here.
The book is always better. Shit is changed or left out to fit the director's narrative.

The book is recommended if you want to read it.

Ready player one ended perfect in the book. Their decisions didn't force everyone else to follow in their footsteps. The movie made it like you have to follow what we do and say.

>>11898571
I didn't mean to bring the /tv/fags in here, my bad. And yeah, I was aware that in 99% of cases the book is better, but I was wondering if the books are actually GOOD, if they draw different conclusions, or if it's the same bullshit that "we shouldn't get that old" without any proper explanation or reason, or even people arguing against their plan that are not saturday morning cartoon villains? Because fuck me, that show was black and white as shit. All the high society cyber folks were super evil rape-murderers, all the common fucks were innocent and just wanted equality.

As for ready player one, I read that one and I actually didn't like it. For all the interviews Cline gave about the 80s research he did (and he pretty much nailed the 80s stuff to be honest), he seemed to do fuck all about what makes video games or VR good, because he created a terrible algamation of a pay to win game, where your real money translated into game money, and a world with Player vs Player combat, but every time you do, your whole account is reset. Imagine having a steam account with a thousand games, but every time you die in any of them, all saves get deleted. Including your World of Warcraft one. Who the fuck would want that?
And yeah, I'd argue that him deciding for himself that he didn't need VR any more was a better ending than "You shouldn't play too much so I'm gonna turn VR off two days a week". But it still had such a strong hint of "Now after all this effort, I've learned my lesson, video games are bad for you, go outside, enjoy real life and get a girl"
Also, fuck them for putting a minor beauty flaw on a really beautfiul girl and playing the "WHO WOULD LOVE ME" card.

>>11898551
>I want fucking Sci-Fi that teaches me about humans, not Sci-Fi that just points at transhumanism and just goes "DAS BAD!" like some sort of alabama preacher, for fucks sake.
Altered Carbon is a noir potboiler that tells you humans are little bitches who think only for themselves and technology won't change it. It's alright as a book but nothing deep.

>>11898607
the wine mark wasn't that bad on the girl in the movie.
I imagined it as some of the horror ones I've seen. The villains were too cartoony in the movie. I was cringing through that entire movie and I hope it's burnt off the internet. The Japanese honor thing was completely ignored for "this is my real identity and I'm 11".

Jesus that movie was shit and I think I'm triggered for the first time in my life.

Pic related is how I thought the wine mark was. They just put something not really noticeable in the movie and made a big deal about it

Has anyone read this? A blurb from David Drake is promising, and some fun space opera is always welcome.

>>11894323
Weird coincidence, I haven't been on /lit/ in weeks, and I picked up Perdido Street Station at a thrift store last weekend. Blew through it in my free time and I've been checking bookstores for The Scar since friday night.

I'm a little mad I slept on Miéville for so long, I genuinely loved reading PSS

>>11898650
Didn't someone just trash this a few threads back

>>11898650
I've read it, it's like Kingkiller in a sci fi setting.

or kingkiller meets red rising.

I felt it's trash but if you liked either of those other books you might like it.

>>11897682
Dumb. And I can’t stand mark Lawrence due to the way he quotes himself on twatter

>>11897790
Are you 15?

>>11898639
Yeah, we used to joke about Films like Xmen (the old ones) Where Mystique is a fucking SMOKING hot woman, but everyone would shriek like she was fucking Nosferatu because she was blue. This one is even worse, with such a minor fucking mark on her face that, by the way, is 100%able to be covered up with just a bit of makeup. Not like the one you posted, where half the face looks like it's rotting off.
Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMBylNJQEbg

>>11898633
>humans are little bitches who think only for themselves and technology won't change it.
That's alright I guess, I just had such an issue with the show just saying that it's because machines enable them to live longer, so it's the machines fault, and they just set a date at which people would die and everyone went "yeah, that seems reasonable". I mean honestly. "People shouldn't live longer than 100 years or they're gonna become evil" is such a DUMB fucking point to make.

>>11898663
Honestly a lot of his stuff is really good.
Embassytown, Scar, City and the City are worth checking out as well.

>>11898076
I don’t know how I finished that book. That part with the nukes was such a random ass pull.

>>11898650
>>11898668
Does it do the retarded things kingkiller does though? I don't mind what kingkiller is attempting to do, just that it fails horribly. Like is the protagonist an insufferable cuck? Does the author and the whole world suck his dick at every opportunity? Is the prose purpler than fat fuck Rothfusses face every time he sees Trump on tv?

>>11898220
A bit edgy but not prince of thorns edgy. Took awhile to get into it but overall enjoyed it. He does chraterizations well. Wasn’t too predictable and even tho story wise there’s plenty of tropes it felt fresh. That’s said didn’t like the ending and don’t feel inclined to read the stand alones. It’s better than most of the current stuff out there.

>>11898776
It gets even better in the second book. His castle is under siege, he repels it by calling for a truce meeting and shooting the other guy in the face. Yes, he randomly pulls out the only gun in the world, which is not mentioned anywhere prior to that point and shoots the other guy.

>>11898809
Does it ever explain why there are just random nukes and guns in the world
that somehow he is the only one to ever stumble across?

>>11898668
I dropped red rising when they started singing as a way to protest

>>11898817
botched attempt at making the world post-apocalyptic

>>11898817
Ya, the book is set in a post apocalyptic medieval world but technology is still extremely rare to the point of non existent. MLawrence keeps putting the protagonist in impossible situations and using old technology to bail him out.

>>11898783
No the mc is nowhere near obnoxious as Kvothe but the author does copy paste things from Kingkiller.
There's a lot of that, it's been a long time since I've read the book but off the top of my head; The narration style is similar to Kk, it's a written account of the mc's past and he's full of regret for the things he's done, the part where Kvothe spends a few years on the streets before going to his magic school is pasted and ditto with the mahir storyline from the second Kk book. The world is also a quasi Roman setting in space pasted from Red Rising, including classes and nobles.

>>11898873
Yeah this sounds like a complete shitshow, this reviewer probably missed red rising and who knows what else it's ripping off https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/2438706777?book_show_action=true&from_review_page=1

I don't mind people doing something that's been done but better, but this seems like a complete hackjob copy-paste.

How do I make my wonderland seem authentically weird? Most of my ideas are stolen from an aborted webcomic that was itself an adaptation of the wizard of oz

Is this the best YA book ever written?

>>11898873
You are an absolute retard if you think ANY of those things came from Kingkiller and Red Rising.

>>11898956
I enjoyed them as a kid, not going to lie

>>11898650
I enjoyed it. I'm not sure why it triggers the bugmen; it's simply good Dune-inspired space opera. Though I get the feeling this might be one of those '10 books and 20 years to finish' series since we learn the protag ends up living for 1600 years or so and this first novel only covers a very small chunk of that.

>>11898650
What's some David Drake kino I should check out?

>>11899138
Hammer's Slammers is one of the best military scifi series out there. Bleak though, since he wrote most of it in the 80s right after Vietnam.

The RCN series is basically the result of him reading the Aubrey-Maturin books and deciding to write space opera fanfiction.

Northworld is some good space opera mixed with Norse myth.

Ranks of Bronze is cool, basically aliens abduct a roman legion to fight for them due to galactic laws prohibiting using "high-tech" weapons against primitive cultures.

Haven't read much of his fantasy stuff but the Belisarius series with Eric Flint is cool, basically Aliens take over India so the Romans and Persians have to team up against them with the help of a AI sent back in time to help them.

I've heard that while the Isles series has a unique setting (heavily based on Sumerian Myth apparently) it's not that great and was mostly written because Drake's publisher wanted him to do a Wheel of Time series. However he just started another scifi-fantasy series called The Spark which is apparently pretty good.

Drake minored in history so a lot of his stuff has call outs to historic events, especially greek and roman history.

What's the general consensus on the Discworld books? Are they pretty low brow? Say that if I like stuff like the Ringworld books do you think I'd enjoy Discworld?

>>11899668

Welp, got memed into reading Book of The New Sun, I don't know if it's the biggest joke that everyone else here is in on or that you all just have the worst taste in the entire fucking world.

>>11899726

>>11899726
(You)
If you were just confused or whatever then that's okay. You need to read it more than once.

>>11899726
but but you see he's only writing poorly INTENTIONALLY and you need to read it multiple times, since it's literally the infinite jest of genre fiction.

>>11896083

It was interesting until the real opposing force was hick-talking protag versus an evil army of rapist muslims who learn how to rape other men in their childhood training of karate and use it to be able to kill dozens of men at once, then rape all the white women and impregnate them with their superior muzzie litters.

>>11899726
Stick to Harry Potter, son. That's more your speed.

>>11899694
What's your point faggot?

>>11899726
It's very good, but I can easily see how it isn't everyone's taste.

>>11898570
Neuromancer

Just bought a wizard of earthsea. What am I in for?

>>11899921
>just bought

>>11899921
I'm not actually a sci-fi/fantasy fan, I just saw this on the homepage. I read this book as a kid and fucking loved it. It's a kid's book, and I don't know your reading level, but it's wonderfully dark and intense and has a great system of how magic works. I didn't like the sequels, though, just not written with the same mythic energy.

Spoilers of some of what you're in for:
Knowing someone's or something's true name gives you power over them; a precocious kid from the provinces goes to wizard school; he accidentally oversteps his powers and unleashes a Shadow that then follows him everywhere like a curse (or like his awareness of mortality :^) )

>>11899945
The Tombs of Atuan is clearly the superior novel.

>>11898956
Least bad, perhaps.

>>11899964
Blech, no. A virgin and a monster hang out on an island < a based multi-biome journey by a Kool Kid

>>11899929
yes some people happen to prefer physical copies dummy

>>11900000
>A virgin and a monster hang out on an island

Don't steal my fanfic ideas!

>>11900048
How many times do we have to go over this? You DO NOT insert yourself as the main character into the fiction you're writing. That's just lazy writing and it's the easiest way to make sure your character never develops. Get better ideas anon.

>>11899668
they're fun.

>>11899726
It's admittedly not for everyone but it is without a doubt one of the best works of SF&F ever written.

>>11900146
The best things are never for everyone.

>>11899726
>>11900146
It's like the Infinite Jest of /sffg/.

>>11900152
Almost everyone likes Sanderson though, except the small minority with no taste.

>>11900160
My point exactly: that makes him pretty damn far below the best thing.

>>11896340
Carlos Casteneda.

NEW THREAD

>>11900222
>>11900222
>>11900222
>>11900222

>>11894594
Not quite identical but similar to Rick and Morty Season 3 Episode 9.
It's only one kid that stays in a kind of Candyland for 30 years or so and creates a society by fucking candy creatures which results in half-human creatures which he either eats or keeps as part of his medieval style court.

>>11895889
>It sounds like an episode of rick and morty.

Coincidence or cryptic reference?

>>11895979
Authors of other YA novels, I presume. They are basically just older teenagers.
If you are interested in this I would recommend the movie Young Adult from 2011.

>>11895464
>what is a flawed character

>>11896573
>Fun fact: this text cannot be translated into Arabic.

Literally nobody cares about your dogshit language anyway

>>11897956
I can see why people don't like his books. I think his prose is actually pretty good, and it was refreshing to see a character fucking solve issues they were faced with; as opposed to spending 3 books debating the philosophy of why they were a bad friend and how they weren't strong enough to the special little boy and that they just wanted a normal life before all the bad things happened.

Say whatever you will about his books, but his characters get shit done, and it makes the relatively short series he produces feel a lot fuller for it. Also, some of his ideas for world-building are pretty tight.