/lit/ - Literature

>>11884466
>"I myself saw him mounting the bitch" - Plato

Sure, it's funny (and it's supposed to be), but this is an actual problem in the philosophy of language

>>11884485

No it's fucking not. Philosophy is a bunch of shit.

>>11884497
nice meme

>>11884497
you're a bunch of shit. your opinion is absolutely worthless. nobody cares about whatever ill-formed opinions you've managed to concoct on whatever third-hand information you obtained while skimming this tuvan sheep herding forum

>>11884466
2,500+ years and the collective Western world still can't think of a good comeback. Dionysodorus truly made us all his bitch.

>>11884485
>but this is an actual problem in the philosophy of language
If this is true, then my respect for philosophy has dropped a ton.

Spengler's view on the philosophy of language is the only correct one imo. If there's miscommunication/signal error, just restate it until there's no error.

On a side note, it's kind of shocking that Spengler anticipated the theory of Universal Grammar by about 50 years or so.

Yes, by Zeus!

>>11884481
So wise

>>11884485
I highly doubt that as it sounds much more like a problem with english. Problems in natural language are fun but they aren't serious issues.

>>11884610
>If there's miscommunication/signal error, just restate it until there's no error.
This is so vague and vacuous though. It's like saying "if there's a problem, just like fix the problem." Any step forward in the philosophy of language could be described as a "restatement" if you really wanted to call it that, but that doesn't actually tell me anything even if it's "correct." I mean, let's take the liar paradox. If I try to resolve the obvious issue within the line "this sentence is false" by introducing a third truth value to logic, is that really just a big "restatement" in regards to how deduction works? Seems like a pretty fundamental issue.

>>11884739
Don’t argue with Spengler dogmatists. They don’t care about philosophy, just about reinvigorating the third Reich

>>11884739
Stop being ridiculous. No one looks to the philosophy of language to figure out way to state things more clearly. The line "this sentence is false" is only a paradox in a vacuum. In real life, we have so many other referentials to work with that explain the meaning of that line: previous conversational context, body language, tone of voice, etc.

w-woah

that's funny, and a nice example, pretty engaging

>>11884754
>implying
I just started reading Spengler because he's the missing link of 20th century philosophy. I have no interest in natsoc or any of that shit (not even hu-white). Fuck off with your anti-intellectual shit.

>>11884763
go back to africa desu

>>11884758
>In real life the brain has ways to shut that whole thing down
yeah evidently

>>11884466
>Do you have girlfriend?
No
>Do you have a female friend?
Y-yes
>Thus you have a girl who is your friend, you have a girlfriend.
T-thank you anon

>>11884739
>sounds much more like a problem with english
>Plato
>english
Anon...

>>11884466
90% of all Greek writings suck ass and has no relevance whatsoever to today. 99% of all things written thousands of years ago are shite.

>>11884610
>thinking that the most inefficient and boring writer in history can tell you anything about language
Holy fuck.

>>11885921
>t. discord tranny

>>11884466
Greeks are qt.

>>11884466
This bit of sophistry is the peak of ancient thought.

>>11885929
>being this shit at reading comprehension
What exactly have conservatives conserved? The majority openly support trannies now, so I don't see how you are connecting me as a tranny.
Put the Spengler data-mine away and read a book on logic.

>>11884610
Philosophy is full of idiots and professional obscurantists who see paradoxes and conundrums in trivial matters. It's basically their job to be eloquently stupid.

>>11884758
People are actually pretty fucking great at determining whether their meaning was understood in spoken communication. Writing causes problems, but that has to do with misinterpretation of tone. Legit semantic ambiguities or misinterpretations are basically a non-issue in reality; if something is ambiguous and keeps getting misinterpreted, the speaker will just find a different way of saying it since any message can be communicated in countless different ways. We do this collectively, and thus ambiguous structures are overtaken by new idioms less prone to misinterpretation. Language is so full of fads and constantly changing slang BECAUSE we're so good at getting our meaning across, not the opposite.

>>11885956
Oops, that second link was meant to be >>11884739. P.S. The liar paradox doesn't have much if any relevance to this topic.

>>11885953
That made no sense, you crazy tranny. And I'm not the one who replied to you.

>>11884466
“He is a father and he is mine”
or
“He is a father and I own him”
does not translate to
“He is my father”
but
“He is my dog, who is a father”

I hate this meme.

>>11884466
I didn't know 'a regular chip off the old block' was an Ancient Greek saying.

Plato's Socrates is not supposed to feed you ideas you fucking mongoloid.

Christ did anyone on this board go to high school

>>11884481
> - Some guy translating Plato

>>11886326
R.S. Sprague translates the passage as:

Tell me, have you got a dog?
Yes, and a brute of a one too, said Ctesippus.
And has he got puppies?
Yes indeed, and they are just like him.
And so the dog is their father?
Yes, I saw him mounting the bitch myself, he said.
Well then: isn'tt the dog yours?
Certainly, he said.
Then since he is a father and is yours, the dog turns out to be your father, and you are the brother of puppies, aren't you?

>>11884579
It's true, I saw him mounting us myself

>>11884610
Professional tip, the "theory of Universal Grammar" is such unadulterated bullshit that it makes the theory of phlogiston jealous.

>not understanding Socratic irony
>not understanding elenchus
>ignorant of aporia

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