/lit/ - Literature

>>11871510
The more of Peterson's picture-writing I see the more weirdly occult it becomes. I can't say I've read his book or that I plan to, but seeing these (there's many more examples) makes me think he's trying to work more with emotion and the desires of the reader than with a well reasoned argument.

>>11871574
that's a very nice way of saying he's full of shit.

>>11871585
this plus the grandma thing is just too weird

>>11871594
>I dreamed I saw my maternal grandmother sitting by the bank of a swimming pool, which was also a river. Her genital region was exposed dimly. It had the appearance of a thick mane of hair. She was stroking herself absentmindedly. She walked over to me with a handful of pubic hair compacted into something resembling a large artist's paintbrush. She pushed this at my face. I raised my arm several times to deflect her hand. Finally, unwilling to hurt her or interfere with her any further, I let her have her way. She stroked my face with the brush gently and said, like a child, isn't it soft?

Jordan Peterson - Maps of Meaning

>>11871585
>that's a very nice way of saying he's full of shit.
Not really. There is, I think, an argument to be made for obscurantist writing and the way it relates to the reader. This isn't necessarily a defense of peterson specifically.

Still waiting on Peterson to debate a Marxist.

>>11871607
I'd say that's a fair statement to some degree, however I can't say I have any immediate examples that come to mind that express this point well. I could see this being helpful for getting a weird idea across in the right circumstances I suppose.

Do you by chance have an example of what you might call good obscurantisim writing/art? Not being a jerk, legitimately want to see this done well.

>>11871649
I think Deleuze, Land, and Zizek are exemplary of it somewhat.

>>11871642
Didn't Peterson and Žižek have a debate not too long ago? I don't think I watched it, but I heard it was in the works.

>>11871651

>>11871659
That is actually him writing things pretty clearly. Wouldn't call his language obscure in this example.

he's a lovely man who gives hope to the hopeless

if liking JP is wrong, i don't want to be right

marxists have been a non-entity for over 30 years

>>11871673
Yeah I'd say that example works pretty well. It has a clear path of one idea to the next.
To be entirely honest I thought that was some image that someone had made for the sublime object of ideology, not actually from one of Žižek's books. This kind of abstraction is easy to follow, but I can't say I've seen more of Žižek's work presented this way.

Peterson's chaos dragon, on the other hand, is a bit more bizarre.

A great thinker that will go down in history.... Praise KEK!

>>11871510
>open video
>VUVEZEAULA
>close it

>>11871510
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdKRvCht28g

>>11871693
I think the obscurity of the writing in relation to understanding of it needs to match the ability of the subject to project onto the philosophical space. Denotation becomes secondary to connotation, and the connotation is textual. Philosophical objects become vessels, capacities for interpretation. Oddly enough I feel this entire paragraph is an example of the phenomena I'm trying to describe. In other words, I don't know if what I just said can properly understood by another in the way I understand it.

>>11871655
Peterson never responded to Zizek despite implying he'd debate him, and Zizek seems to have lost interest.

>he knows inside how bad things really are, but keeps the crushing weight of it to himself to protect his fellow men

he will be indelible in my hippocampus for all time

>>11871655
nah peterson chickened out

>>11871756
I read with my hindbrain

>>11871679
but i've been told they control all western media and universities. did /pol/ lie to me?

>>11871769
inconceivable, we must've skipped a step.

>>11871763
>reading

>>11871761
Douglas Lain was trying to organize it but Zizek's Bells Palsy and Peterson's Judaism got in the way
https://twitter.com/Zer0Books/status/1046572803200143360

>>11871594
>>11871585
You should read about shadow integration

>>11871881
*wants an unreasonable quantity of shekels for an event he also wants to reschedule*
"HOW DARE YOU QUESTION MY ECONOMIC MOTIVATIONS, BUCKO!"
- DOCTOR Juden Memerstein

>>11871731
>"me and Ben Stiller are SCIENTISTS."

he knows he can say anything he wants to his idiots.

>>11871642
don't hold your breath