/lit/ - Literature

>>11859544
if you consider it science "fiction"
>Communion
>The Mothman Prophecies
>Hunt for the Skinwalker
what else should join /pantsshittingparanormalcore/?

Lady a shit

Man, if Wolfe weren't so stubborn about everything being an on-the-nose Christian allegory, I'm sure people would actually have read The Knight. It's the best fantasy book I've ever read, even if the dream sequences do get annoying. I feel like half of them are only going to have any value on a reread once I've finished The Wizard, which probably put a lot of people off. Also, having his reputation for being hard to follow, he could have done with not putting the hardest scene to follow first. But past that, it's much easier to follow than something like BotNS, and it's pretty much the only thing I've read that pulls off that Oblivion sort of medieval fantasy while maintaining interesting prose and a developing plot.

Oh, also working against the book's popularity, he makes weird choices in when he brings up sex. The mentions are basically limited to instances of rape, statuatory or straight up forced stuff, typically with explicitly giant cocks that can only be taken after giving birth to an exceptionally large baby. I'm sure that's a conscious choice and I'll understand why he made it more after I finish the second book, but it was an unfortunate one for him to make, as it probably put a lot of people off recommending it.

List some new or newish books that aren't complete shit.

What are some good books involving Aliens in a fantasy setting? I've already read Book of the New Sun. I feel like this is an area that could be explored more but for some reason isn't

>>11859790
The Name of the Wind.

>>11859805
The Straggler's Mask has aliens

>>11860077
eh.. . I liked the prose, everything else not so much. Rothfuss writes a lot like GGK.

>>11860143
Well, it's not complete shit. It's just kind of blank.

Wise Man's Fear is where the whole thing sinks into the mire of reeking shit and probably won't ever come back up with Doors of Stone or whatever.

Shieeeeet fantasy fags are it again.
Guess I'll come back later.

It's really amazing how much better Japanese fantasy is these days. When will the west catch up?

>>11860319
The moment you decide to stop being a mouth breathing hipster donkey

>>11860319
Truly the Japan has reached the peak of storytelling.

>>11860319
Are you a weeb or a contrarian?

>>11860412
Yes

>>11860319
Name 3 examples of this superior Nippon literature.

>>11860319
even chink fantasy is better than nipshit

>>11860390
Sidonia really went to shit halfway through. Right about when they introduce the tsundere robot girl. Fuck Nihei.

>>11860439
Never have I been so happy that I couldn't understand a line of text.

>>11860115
Stop shilling

Thoughts?

https://www.tor.com/2018/09/25/the-10-best-completed-sf-and-fantasy-series-according-to-me/

>>11860488
Mistborn has no business being in any top 10 list.

HP and Ender are questionable too but you can make an argument that they belong up there for their cultural impact if not for the quality of books.

Throw in Malazan and Gormenghast instead of any of them and you have the makings of a decent list.

Although I have a feeling all the stupid fucking teenage le wrong generation overcompensating edgelords that frequent this place are going to call that the worst top 10 list in existence because of all the popular works included.

>>11860488
Mistborn definitely doesn't belong by any of the criteria. You can definitely make arguments for all the rest being there, a pretty good list overall. Bonus points for having The Gap Cycle on there and so high.

Holy shit, i was not prepared for Beak's storyline.

>>11860449

>>11860488
>Wheel of Shit #1
Pleb af

>>11860503
>Gormenghast
Gormenghast was never completed.

>>11857492
Why are white girls getting so thicc these days?

What new books have you guys been reading?

>>11860559
Nothing.

There are no good new books.

>>11860559
<<<< Pirate fantasy, I recommend, it's pretty good.

>>11859544
>faggot can't make a new thread

>>11860541
More like shill as fuck

>>11860559
I haven't. I've mostly just been going through a backlog of old books. No new books have caught my interest.

>>11860559
started reading starships mage im on book 4 right now and its pretty fun.

>>11860146
No, don't come back.

>>11860115
Holy shit dude, just stop. You get that your constant shilling isn't helping you. I had your book saved on amazon to get to when I had time. I even kept it there when I figured out it was furfag jerkoff material. Your shitty personality and bringing down these threads have convinced me to never read anything by you.

>>11860676
I have a difficult time with the balance of saying too much and saying nothing at all.

Your feedback is noted.

>>11860724
Literally say nothing. No more bunny shit, no shilling. People have told you the same threads back when it would have actually helped you.

>>11860752
If I say nothing at all, how am I supposed to get the word out? You already know, sure, but there's plenty of less frequent posters or people just dropping by once looking for something to read.

>>11859556
True.

>>11860799
I hope you realize by shilling in every thread you're doing the opposite of what you want to accomplish. Peddling your book in every single thread is obnoxious and now people associate you with that obnoxiousness.

>>11860829
Yes, you made that clear already. But total radio silence will do me even worse.

>>11860838
I'm not the other guy, do you shill anywhere else or just here?

Each thread has like what? 80 posters max? Most of them regulars at that, dunno why you would keep shilling here over and over, when it's clearly not worth the effort and it's clearly not appreciated because you've done it one too many times.

>>11860799
If you want people to read your shit I got two options for you
First, post on /r/fantasywriters, everyone there is a tard but we're hardly different
People here even read Sanderson, for fucks sake
Option two, I've had this tab open on my phone for a few months, maybe it's something you'll like: https://sff.onlinewritingworkshop.com/howitworks.shtml
I've already given you all the advice I have for your currently published book and I have no advice for you to get more readers other than advertising, which is not something I think you should do
Put your work out there, take what you can get, focus on the next one

>>11860879
I frequent a few other places, but this is where I got rid of most of my print copies which puts it a cut above the rest. There are people here that, in spite of me being loud and annoying sometimes, believe in me.

Also you have a generally better taste than Reddit.

>>11860922
Thanks.

Think I'll take a break for a few months. Come back when the next one comes out, see if we've all mellowed out a bit by then.

>>11859805
I recommend checking out Clark Ashton Smith.

>>11860559
>skinny bag of bones woman wielding a giant sword
One of the worst tropes ever. Come one, give her some muscles.

>>11860980
Fuck off.

>>11860548
This fact is making me hesitate to read it. Should I still read it? Is it truly incomplete, or is there enough there for a satisfying and complete story?

>>11860987
You fuck off.

>>11860990
The first two books work together fine. Titus Alone is more of a standalone book, and the author was planning to write more but who knows what that could've entailed.

>>11860980
>>11860991
Your incessant off-topic musclefaggotry is more annoying than bunnyshill.

>>11861010
>off-topic
It's a common fantasy/sci-fi trope, though.

>musclefaggotry
Muscular women are gay? What

>>11861015
>It's a common fantasy/sci-fi trope, though.
It's not. It's moronic and unrealistic fetishization of the weaker sex, and only the most untalented and bottom-barrelling fantasy """authors""" would ever resort to such.

Where did this musclefag even come from?

>>11861022
>It's not.
Skinny bitch using weapons and outdoing the men around her? Pretty common.

>It's moronic and unrealistic fetishization of the weaker sex
Women warriors are in the first place, even more so with ones that can compete with men. So, why stop there? Give them a physique worthy of a warrior.

>>11861049
And why stop there either? Spam the fuckers until everyone is tired of the shit and no one found it funny in the first place.

>>11860077
The absolute state

>>11861063
Spam? I made one post. Get your panties out of a knot.

>>11861022
>Genrefag passing judgment on the likes of Robert E. Howard, almost peerless as a fantasy author.
Wanna know how I know you're a pleb?

>>11861078
Red Sonja was made up for movies decades after Howard died, you double-pleb. Do your research.

>>11860980
Anon, the only things this unfortunate man-beast will be wielding are those grotesquely impractical tiddlies.
Also doggirls are inferior.

>>11861091
I agree. Catgirl > any girl.

what a surprise, musclefags and furries have successfully derailed another thread.

>>11861116
Do you ever stop gurning?

>>11859790

>>11859805
I wouldn’t say it’s good tho

>>11861126
Nah. That's about as average and generic as a fantasy book can get.

>>11860799
I will never read your book. And I won’t tell anyone about it. On the almost impossible chance that someone brings it up I’ll tell them it’s garbage

>>11861139
Name something better that came out in the last 5 years

>>11861156
Court of Broken Knives

>>11859790
Rook is fun and the follow up is fine but not as good

>>11861116
And you whining is going to make it so much better.

>>11859805
Richard K Morgan's fantasy trilogy, Age of Five, I've not read it but Bakker supposedly and Black Sun Rising is fantasy on an alien planet

>>11861156
Red Sister
Nevernight
The Poppy War
Master Assassins

>>11861088
>What is "The Shadow of the Vulture?"
>Who is "Sword-Woman?"
You're embarassing yourself.

>>11859805
>>11861172
>Richard K Morgan's fantasy trilogy, Age of Five

Just realised this isn't clear, those are two different series

>>11861158
>female author

>>11861193
Sexist much?

>>11861174
>mark Lawrence
Laughable
>female Assasian
Just no
>a dark skinned peasant girl
I’m starting to see a trend with you
>shitskin protaganists
Now I’m wondering if you really have such bad taste or if you’re trolling.

>>11861221
And yet they are all still better than the book you picked.

>>11861221
poppy war is about genocide lol, the girl protagonist is a deliberate ploy to make people read it

>>11861233
Lol no they aren’t. Honestly surprised you didn’t post her work

>>11861221
Do you have any idea how retarded you sound? Especially trying to criticise books you blatantly have not even read.

>>11861126
Generic af, the cover is just about the only thing good about it, had to force myself to finish book 1, never going back for book 2. If you want new epic fantasy that's actually well done check out Ember Blade.

>>11861158
Decent book but the prose stopped it from being good imo

>>11861160
Loved The Rook, it's being adapted into a show as well, I'm cautiously optimistic about it.

>>11861174
Red Sister's ya garbage sorry, Master Assasins is great though, Redick is a great writer. Haven't read the others but I'll check them out.

>>11861341
Nice hot opinions my dude

>>11861367
thanks xd

>>11860550
It's all angles and photoshop.

>>11861502
>slices arsecheeks off

>>11861581
Why slice them off when you could grind your edge on them?

>>11861217
Yep.

>>11861298
Do you have any idea how much like a fat tranny you sound? Those books are contrived and generic as fuck. The only thing that’s different is they shoehorn progressive trash like stronk women and middle eastern names

Is this any good?

>>11861611
How do you know if you haven't even read them?

>>11861581
I really don't think that's gonna happen.
She's like 200+ kilos of armored android fury. You could probably have a go with a jackhammer at that ass.

>>11861502
>without the sword there her ass would have seamlessly merged with her thighs
Disgustingly flat

>>11861631
Go away you Brazilian monkey.

>>11861615
ymmv but it's certainly creative and not generic by any means. It's grimdark written around the premise that mental illnesses manifest as powers. If that's sounds interesting give it a shot.

>>11861620
I’ve read the synopsis. You’re welcome to prove me wrong by describing exactly how they aren’t generic

>>11861661
> I’ve read the synopsis
So you know everything about the book from that? Hahahaha.

Are you 12?

>>11861634
Fat asses and broad hips means the girl is good breeding material.
Flat asses and no hips means you are a pedophile american who hides his sexual depravity behind the prepubescent-boy looking girlfriend you have.

Go an hero you pedo filth.

>>11861661
>I’ve read the synopsis.

just stop anon, you're an embarrassment.

>>11861238
>in the tradition of Ken Liu’s Grace of Kings and N.K. Jemisin’s Inheritance Trilogy.
>and N.K. Jemisin’s Inheritance Trilogy.
>N.K. Jemisin

>>11861661
>I’ve read the synopsis
you must not read much
synopsis are written by publishers with little to no input from the author to sell to the masses
if you hate the masses, of course they're going to sound bad to you, regardless of what they're describing

>>11861666
>>11861685
In other words you can’t prove me wrong. That’s what I thought

>>11861682
Oh grow up.
And stop visiting /fit, it's rotting your brain.

>tfw the autistic musclefag makes the rest of us look bad

>>11861687
See>>11861690

>>11861661
>do my work for me by giving snippets and insights, that would only work if I read the book in the first place

Do you think we are redshit? Do you feel we are 12? Do you think we would do your homework to prove you wrong? Do you feel reverse psychology works on us?

>>>/b/

>>11861697
>the autistic musclefag

what a bullshit spot

>>11861690
Now I understand why you thought >>11861126 was a good book. You're exactly the target audience.

>>11861692
I never went to fit... Only time I was in fit was when new-moot did us a disservice for April's fool.

>>11861706
Kek

>>11861341
Master assassins
>excessive swearing
>smutty romance not needed to move the story forward
>back and forth recollections
>unengaging main characters
Your opinion on what is good is trash

>>11861705
Again that’s what I thought.

>>11861715
It was a good book. And you’ve failed to list anything modern that is better.

>>11861739
Several books have been listed and your kneejerk rejections are invalid.

>>11861766
None of them were better tho.

Give me some top tier NTR literature lads.

Contrarian haters btfo by more based world building

Has anyone here finished The Wizard Knight series? The Wizard is losing me fast. I'm at a point where the only surviving thread of plot from the first book that I'm sure is going to continue is the rescue of Pouk and Ulfa, and I'm not caring much. Especially when he killed all the mystery with the ten-to-twenty page lore dump from Baki and Able. Does it pick back up in its own right, and only stumble at the beginning, or is this business with Svon and Toug going to drag on for three quarters of it?

>>11861774
You haven't read any of them. How could you know?

>>11861788
kingkiller

>>11861833
They have progressive shoehorning

>>11861790
Worldbuilding on its own doesn't mean shit. It needs a story and some characters you would like, and the story ground to a halt fifteen years ago and most of the likeable characters have died.

>>11861855
Stannis is still kicking.

>>11861844
How would you know if you haven't read them? You're literally judging a book by it's cover like a fucking idiot.

>>11861890
I’ve read the synopsis and reviews

You two are just going back and forth at this point, get a room already.

>>11861900
But you haven't read the book you imbecile.

I feel like we're going in circles.

>>11861890
Oh for fucks sake will you two spergs drop it?
What's he supposed to do - read all of it? Ain't nobody got time for dat nigga.
He didn't like the synopsis, he doesn't like it - so why continue this?

>>11861903
So you’re saying the synopsis and reviews have absolutely no basis on what the books are about? That’s the only way your idiotic argument makes sense. And I notice you don’t say I’m actually wrong. You just resort to “well you haven’t read them!”

>>11861855
>most of the likeable characters have died.
There are still plenty.
>and the story ground to a halt fifteen years ago
It's just getting started

>>11861921
It's kind of like saying I've seen the film trailer so why would I want to go to the cinema to watch the whole thing because I already know everything about the movie.

>>11861930
With the current trend of spoiling everything in a trailer that's a pretty apt comparison.

>>11861930
No it’s more like I read the synopsis of the film and read reviews about it so I know it’s shit and not worth waisting 2hrs on. But please feel free to try again

I feel like the fantasy genre needs more rape.

>>11861942
I think you should stop watching porn. It’s rotting your brain

>>11861942
I feel like the fantasy genre needs better writers.

>>11861930
More like you watch the trailer, then watch CinemaSins, and decide that it's probably not for you.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HVS5TG9/

>>11861951
What does porn have to do with my post? Rape is part of human nature.

>>11860439
Can someone post the list of nihei's favorites please?

>>11861968
>Rape is part of human nature

were the classics classics because they were socially relevant at the tine, or were they relevant because they were just good?

>>11861952
Where can I download this guy's work? Going by just the names it's obviously some quality stuff and I would enjoy them immensely.

>>11861981
to be fair he's right, at least in a biological sense
that's why glans are shaped the way they are, to press other men's cum out of a vagina

Is Foundryside as good as City of Stairs?

>>11861983
Something being a classic implies that it has stood the test of time. Whatever social relevance the work had, or did not have, at the time it was published is irrelevant.

>>11861990
No idea. There were so many trashy pulp novels in the 50's.

>>11862000
Lol that’s bullshit. Please kill yourself you fat ass

>>11861983
Many what we call classics today weren't even popular or liked when they were first released. They became relevant, or well judged, at a later date.

>>11862018
Projecting isn't healthy anon.

>>11862027
Neither is using buzzwords when you have no argument

>>11862018
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/225573839_Semen_displacement_as_a_sperm_competition_strategy
https://books.google.com/books?id=VRTniKE2liYC&pg=PA68&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

>>11862000
>to press other men's cum out of a vagina
Let's all agree to never talk about something like this on 4chan.
I like to think that posters here are not socially inept.

>>11862041
Oh no that is disgusting. Please stop.

>>11861952
how would that even work. gorilla dongs are about as big as a toddlers pinky finger.

>>11861736
This is the first time I'm responding to you.... You do know it's more than 2 persons in the general right?

>>11862061
Anon, let me tell you about this concept called 'fiction' ...

>>11862041
>An unproven hypothesis
>seeks to normalize infidelity
Lol no

>>11862063
And?

Musclefag pls save us from a discussion about ape dicks!

How about a female protagonist who is a rapist?

>>11862112
Stop watching porn. It’s degenerating your brain

>>11862118
Why are you so obsessed with porn? You should stop watching it anon, it's obviously taking a toll on your already small brain.

>>11862126
>asking for smut recommendations in a /sffg/ thread
>n u have a porn problem
Lol

>>11862135
nothing wrong with smut.

>>11862235
It dulls your brain.

>>11862096
>swn crush my skull with her thighs
why even live?

>>11862273
So we can make fun of you?

>>11862334
[DESIRE TO DIE BY SNUSNU INTENSIFIES]

>>11862235
It’s a large reason why you don’t have a gf

>>11862425
This is a general for straight women. Dykes gtfo

>>11862439
There's no such thing as a straight woman.

I wish I knew how to write a "quest" story. writers block sucks.

>>11862459
That’s what the jews would have you believe. Stop falling for their lies

>>11862466
Spaghetti is straight until it gets wet, too.

>>11862475
People and sphagetti have nothing in common

>>11862484
They're both edible.

what's more interesting?

>specific superpowers
>broader co-existing magic systems

>>11862673
The latter, because it has infinite possibilities. Once you've set up the former, you've basically limited the entire world and can only go so far afterwards.

>>11862694
is there any normie-scale popular scifi/fantasy series that has used a magic system rather then just going "magic can do anything... except maybe these specific things"?

only one I can think of is Atla

>>11862720
Basically anything Sanderson does?

>>11862748
Sanderson isn't normie-scale popular. hes only know inside the sff bubble.

What's with all the negative reveiws of The Slynx on Amazon? Are the reviewers right or are they just Marvel moviegoers?

>>11862461
it's literally a formula. look up hero of 1000 faces or writer's journey. or just copy the story beats of new hope or the matrix. call to action, refusal, wise dude, &c.

that said, i really fucking hate that shit.

Finally scraped together a to-read stack. Got a lot of Gordon Dickson mixed in, so at least some of it will be good.

Do you have a magic system you came up with /sffg/?

>>11863339
Yes. I even think it's a rather good one.

Unfortunately I have no plot or world building to put it in.

>>11863360
lets hear it anon

>>11863339
I don't care for magic systems. Magic is magic. Each wizard wields it differently, depending on where and how they learned it, whether they picked it up by long study from books or by trafficking with demons, and how they use it.

>>11862778
what are some authors you consider mainstream popular that aren't tolkien or rowling?

>>11863372
Why would I give away the only good idea I've had? I will write it at some point, I just need to the germ of an idea I have for the story to grow.

>>11860838
No, you actually had goodwill here when you started. Now you're the obnoxious furfag (which is a feat seeing furfags are by nature obnoxious) who has to shove his book into any conversation he can.

>>11863410
It's been seven hours. Everything that needed to be said on the issue has been said. You had nothing to add.

Give it a rest.

>>11863448
Still the same thread furfag.

>>11863410
It's been like ten hours. Everything that needed to be said on the issue has been said, and your post's basically just repeating shit.

What are you trying to do except maybe start a fight? What's the fucking point?

>>11863463
Oh no, has something that's been brought up a lot getting under your skin? Now you know how the rest of us feel.

>>11863462
No, I'd just like it if everyone could shut the fuck up about it now that we drove him away.

>>11863388
normies usually don't give a shit about authors unless the work is so insanely popular for so long the public starts obsessing. it's the books themselves that have popularity.

here's some examples that might work for you

>the chronicles of narnia
>his dark materials
>the once and future king
>the neverending story
>a song of ice and fire
>the hunger games
>the maritian
>the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy
>ready player one
>IT

>>11863485
>now that we drove him away.
Ill believe that when I see it.

>>11863504
What constitutes as "seeing it" for you? Not a single bunny picture in a thread?

>>11863506
No shilling for the book for the foreseeable future. Which I doubt. The next thread he will be back at it when he see's an opportunity.

>>11863506
Plus avatar fags are obnoxious as well.

>>11863524
Maybe next we'll drive the musclegirlfag away.

This is for the fitfag

>>11863528
hopefully

>>11862005
God no, it's shit. Dropped it halfway through. Textbook example of why too much action doesn't work. It's just all over the place.

I know it's a long shot but does anyone here have a copy?

>>11863605
Looks shit. Why would you want a copy?

>>11863629
I have bad taste unlike all the contrarian edgelords who frequent this place.

I have also yet to gain the super power of being able to tell if a book is terrible without ever reading it simply by glancing at the cover.

I'm sure I'll get there one day anon.

>>11863666
Cover looks tacky af, that's usually a tell.

>>11863694
You're right of course anon, anyone who says a cover is usually an indicator of sub genre and tone but not of the quality of a book is an idiot and must be thoroughly ignored.

Given Soulcatcher keeps getting posted at the start of these threads is anyone actually going to talk about Port of Shadows? I found Croaker's subplot with Mischievous Rain to be rather interesting and it's the kind of relationship I really wish The Black Company had expanded upon. While I get it's not a romance book, the stuff with Croaker and Lady felt a bit understated at times.

>>11863776
You think the waifufag has actually READ the books? Nonsense.

>>11863803
Waifufag aside I'd have thought it'd come up more often given, even before he appeared, the Black Company was fairly well known in /sffg/.

Is Christopher Tolkien just milking us with the 2017/2018 releases or is it worth picking up these new editions?

>>11863605
>and army priest Tomas Piety finally heads home with Lieutenant Bloody Anne at his side
I assume this means there are female warriors. Preemptive drop.

>tfw I didn't plan out my first novel and it bit me in the ass at the end
>now I refuse to write my next story without planning it out completely but my brain is farting up a blank

what do?

>>11863605
let me guess: it's an epic fantasy trilogy. One of the other two books in the series is called Priest of Thorns or Priest of Swords, it's as edgy as possible and features sociopathic, backstabbing aristocrats as the villains. also it's multiple-pov

>>11863820
I think most people dropped the Black Company when they were fucking about in that Indian place. Still find it a shame that the 10 who were taken were all wasted in the first book.

Don't tell me, you, the brain damaged kid that whines about multiple povs every day, are writing a book. Boy, I can't wait to see how that turns out.

Also, the only thing I know about Priest of Bones is that it's basically Peaky Blinders in a fantasy setting.

>>11863989
Don't tell me, you, the brain damaged kid that whines about multiple povs every day, are writing a book. Boy, I can't wait to see how that turns out.

Also, the only thing I know about Priest of Bones is that it's basically Peaky Blinders in a fantasy setting.

>>11863989
>what do?
go halfsies
pseudo-write your story without any thought to prose and such
just write all the plot beats like you were outlining, but a little more detail, and dont skip over the parts where the characters move between them
then when you hit the end, go back to the beginning and do it all over

the nice thing about this is that it'll tell you from the start whether or not you want to finish the story you've started
an outline doesn't give you much more of an idea of whether or not your story says something meaningful
this does
and if you don't like it, you've spent a night and an afternoon doing it, and that's all
try a new idea that covers the stuff you felt was missing from your first one

>>11863989
Just start writing down stuff about characters, plot points, and how it all goes together. Maybe use the three-act system or even Hero's Journey outline.

Spend a month just jotting down details. By the end of it you should really want to write the damn thing, and you'll also have enough notes to always know where the story will go. Then nothing will stop you.

Any fantasy/sci-fi with yandere?

>>11864025
I'm not the person you're thinking of. I just bitch about generic epic fantasy

>>11860115
I gonna buy your fucking book and quote that one fags review but give it a 5 instead of a 1. Will that get you to stop shilling your shit?

>>11863990
Eh. Port of Shadows is, to some extent, second only to the original book as it gives us a bit of a deeper look into Lady's Empire and has the most consistent world of the Books of the North. The last truly good book was Shadow Games and the Company got really bogged down after that. Solders Live was good though.

>>11864107
I already stopped. Do what you want.

>>11864119

>>11864175

>>11864077
>yandere
i wish. yandere doesnt happen at all. they love interest are all either prissy bitches or tsundere.
yandere is best dere.
they say never stick your dick in crazy but you should always stick your dick in crazy devoted.

>>11863528
I hope so too.

>>11862720
As much as he’s hated here Patrick Rothfuss. Say what you will, but his magic system more or less makes sense and he does have some mass market appeal.

Beyond that, maybe the Gentleman Bastards series? But I hardly call them mass market. Also there’s several webcomics with well defined magic systems, but they’re neither mass market or /lit/.

>magic systems

>>11859544
>Pirated Greys Erotica
reminds me of pic related
(guys I actually really want this to happen to me pleeease give me a grey gf)

>>11862720
Who gives a fuck about some magic system?

>>11864366
This. Magic has no place in fantasy.

>>11864119
there are other ways to shill besides posting on forums

>>11863776
I’m honestly rushing my way through Water Sleeps right now so I can start Port of Shadows. I’m really excited for some more northern adventures.

That being said, I’ve actually been enjoying Water Sleeps even if Sleepy is a girl..

>>11863990
It’s weird to go back and see just how many books they’ve spent in not India compared to the north. I’ve liked the whole adventure back to Kahtovar, but their time in the North was more comfy and fun. Croaker was also the best annalist, if only because Murgen’s dumbass kept falling through time.

>>11864369
/x/ used to be such a magical place.

>>11864366
this. writers who intend for the reader to understand magic do not understand the role of magic in fiction.

>>11864427
>>11864366
So what kind of magic do you guys prefer? Lord of the Ring where Gandalf is just called a Wizard and treated like a big deal without ever really doing that much? Black Company style where the wizard wave their fingers and something cool happens? Or Dark Tower style where magic is whatever the author needs a character to have to make it interesting?

>>11864295
Sucks man. Guess a woman being crazily devoted to one man is too un-feminist.

Is there any non-shit Urban fantasy?

>>11864366
>>11864427
Not an argument.

>>11864491
Particularly one that takes place in a Suburban environment

>>11864468
i read for characters and plot.

>>11864491
Vurt by Jeff Noon
Last Call by Tim Powers

>>11864515
>I read characters for the plot
>but I’m going to bitch about magic systems
Ah, I see, you’re an asshole.

>>11859581
The giant cocks have a reason you won’t realize even after the second reading and all the dreams are important. What could tie them all together? Something does. Plant those seeds!

>>11864581

>>11864515
shh

Imagine sucking on some teenage elf tiddies

>>11864639
Go to bed, artemis.

>>11864706
I don't get your references.

>>11864366
question: does the force (original trilogy only) count as a magic system? Or is it just magic with a period at the end to denote that's it

>>11864842
Yes

>>11864480
no it's because yandere is actually this.

>you will never write the next hobbit
>you will never even write the next harry potter
>you will never even get published

>>11865054
All you need to get published is persistence

>>11865209

>words of radiance
>shallan chapter after shallan chapter
>finally an adolin duel chapter

>>11864468
I like each individual wizard, and each individual magical natural place, to have their own rules. They're internally consistent with themselves, but once you go to a new place or meet a new magic-man, things get weird again.

>>11865054
Not with that attitude.

Do you want the bunnyfag to be the shining example of what /lit/ can do?

>tfw never read LotR or anything else from Tolkien and have no plans to anytime soon
No idea why. I've read older fantasy and fantasy from the same period, but never got around to Tolkien.

>>11865462
Might be due for some introspection. Figure out why you haven't gotten around to it yet, and then why you aren't picking up LotR even as we speak.

It's practically mandatory reading.

>>11859544
Ok guys, I finished english checking [but I will do last time later just in case]

right now these are for free, please, don't hate me for 'promoting' myself, I wish someone could waste time and read it [I'm sorry...I feel guilty]

I'm sorry for format of the link but 4chan is not user friendly


smashwords.

com/books/view/894993

… book 1 for free [as sample until last chapter]

amazon.

com/dp/B07HQYGTX8

book 2 [full for free for limited time]

>>11865475
This looks charming and I will definitely give it a read.

>>11865485
I will put everything into polishing english, because I might be fucking idiot...this is so annoying

>>11865511
Is this your first novel? Or just the first one you went on to translate?

Either way it'll be good practice.

>>11865511
I'm doing all of this alone at least, so this is some kind of achievement

>>11865512
First 'serious' novel, first book went through translation, second one I wrote completely in english

Guess I will check it last time and next month pay someone to check it, or make a deal, when I make over million I will simply hire a person for a contract or shit, 150k per book is ok I guess

by the way, I used 'dictionary' only in chapter 1 because back then I tried to play with the words and english, you can see new words later occasionally because I dropped this behavior

forgive me for fucking in into this thread

>>11865538
Trust me, you're nothing compared to what we've had to tolerate in the past month.

Just try not to spam every thread.

>>11863803
Afaik I was the one who started the whole thing of posting that Soulcatcher pic and declaring her best waifu, shitting on Lady, etc. Mostly just shitposting not serious. Just did it 1-3 times.

Been off /lit/ for a while, surprised and vaguely troubled to see that someone or some group has picked up the torch and kept it alight this damn long.

I have read the books tho.

>>11865566
Glad to hear... I hope someone will tell me in the face what I messed up, because I feel so fucking ignored, back, when my english was piece of shit, I had more readers somehow, pissing me off

>>11865714
Just looked at the last few threads. I am sorry for that I unleashed.

For sure I need make proper artworks of the characters and put them in the book

>>11865011
What? Are they gay?

>>11859790
Lawrence's Red Queen's War series is essentially a fantasy Flashman knockoff, but it was a pleasant enough light read that didn't make me want to murder the author.

Which puts it ahead of most other recent stuff I've encountered.

>>11864077
Well... there goes my qt Japanese gf fetish. Seems those nukes did drive them crazy.

I have just finished Ship of Fools by Richard Paul Russo. Pretty good read although I wasnt expecting space horror. I was impressed by the balls he showed in leaving most things to the imagination instead of spoonfeeding ready made instant horror shit to generation snapchat like "The Expanse" does. He must have known that it would hav millennials screaming with frustrated anger on goodreads and amazon but he still pulled it off. Very nice.

Lots of self published authors in here.

>>11865773
Like two. You'd think there were more with how much we whine about how all literature except Tolkien and occasionally Gormenghast is garbage.

Shouldn't be we be able to write something better ourselves by now?

>>11865773
I can't help, nobody treat it serious in poland, I need find someone like bloomsbury or shit

aghm... I /thread myself there... ore-sama no... bakayarou desu

>>11865736
That series was hilarious.
Too bad he betrayed his evil waifu

>>11865828
I will work hard so I will get anime nya~!

A book is trash

>If it's popular

>If it has a cover that's not minimalist or straight out of the 70's

>If it has females in any leading roles, if the author is female, if it has any non white good guys (because that's obviously pandering)

>if one even slightly dislikes a synopsis that is written by publishers to attract casuals.

All you anons who subscribe to the above beliefs are worse than all the shilling furries, musclefags, weebs and waifufags put together. I sincerely hope you all die in a dumpster fire.

On the other hand, shoutout to all the anons who actually rec fresh books, give your opinions on them and at least read a book before saying it's shit. I appreciate you.

>>11865876
I only do one of those things

>>11865876
>reddit spacing
Anon have you stopped taking your meds again? You sound unhinged. All the things you mentioned in your nicely spaced list are just common sense.

>>11865876
i actually liked orconomics. that shit was hilarious.

>>11860488
As much as l love both genres, I would like to see them separate.
10 best fantasy. 10 best scifi. too much is cut out from consideration when you merge the lists.

That said, fuck Harry Potter. And while I liked Ender's Game as a stand alone book, the extended series did nothing for me.
I was happy to see Donaldson on the list. His series was spectacular.
I honestly think ASOFAI should be on for best fantasy. And that isn't buying into hype (COUGH harry potter). I was a fan of the books since the 1990s.

Peter F Hamilton's commonwealth series should be on the list (size, scope, characters, world building, and believably of the universe), And how the fuck to you make a top 10 list for sci fi and have no Asimov or Arthur C Clarke, or Robert A. Heinlein?

>>11865971
The sequel's pretty good too, came out a few months back. Son of a Liche

Check out Kings of the Wyld too, if you like humour in your fantasy.

Discoworld too if by some miracle you haven't read it yet.

>>11865876
The hatred of things because they are popular always confused me. I despise the hipster attitude of "I liked it before it was cool!"
Now, admittedly, I do somewhat feel that way about Game Of Thrones, but that is because people make such a big deal about the TV series which, in all honesty, is shit. It breaks from the books too much.
And I wouldn't even mind that if the shows fanatics actually picked up the books to see how they were, but most won't.

covers I never cared about. most aren't even approved by the author. who gives a fuck?

synopsis too. how can people say a book is trash if they didn't even open it themselves?

it's your third that draws contention.
I've read books with great female characters, as support, primary, antagonists, and leads. But in all honestly, a lot of books I pick up with a female as a primary character, I expect her to be treated like a flawless mary sue, because she usually is, and that is boring.
I don't write a book off as trash for having a female lead, but I do tend to go in with an attitude that I'll probably put the book down.
Female authors? The same. Some great books written by women. But it seems 2/3 of the books I try by female authors are trash.
I don't write these things off automatically, and I've read some great stuff by women, and with female characters. But there is legit reason to see a woman's name as the author and ask "is this going to be worth my time?"

>>11864415
I'd say Sleepy is the second best Annalist, mainly because her religious perspective feels genuinely different compared to everyone else. I actually found the part where they get to Khatovar to be more disappointing. There was really no need to subvert the expectation if you ask me. But Black Company lost its band of brothers feel after White Rose.

Where do you pirate your books from?
I use Mobilism(mostly this), b-ok and libgen.
audiobookbay for audiobooks.

Anything else useful that I'm missing?

>>11865876
I have to give that orc book a try.

I recommend another stupid trilogy. It's about a intelligent orc becoming an adventurer

>>11866169
>fbi agent thinks we will give him the new off the radar sites so he can monitor them and take down for his corporate overlords
Lol no.

Can anyone recommend some good zombie novels? I have read about 50 so far and they are mostly trash. There has to be at least 1 good zombie novel out there.

>>11866079
>The hatred of things because they are popular always confused me
It's less because things are popular, and more because what things would have to be like in order to be popular.

The lowest common denominator is, as we all know, absolute and total garbage. In order to pander to the masses, the story would have to be shallow, poorly written, and overall easily digestible. It can't have any difficult text or prose that the greater audience might be confused by. Its characters and plot have to be easy to understand lest it loses the audience as they begin to wonder what the hell is happening. It has to pick up quickly with no buildup or else the reader will find it boring and lame. It can't hold a genuinely deep and meaningful message, because such things tend to be controversial and about half the potential audience will disagree and therefore find the whole work a whole bunch of shit. It can't possibly challenge the readers any or prompt them to any manner of personal improvement.

Instead it must provide for their lower and more animalistic desires: excitement, catharsis, lust, and the very lowest rung of intelligence. Throw in a shallow twist that anyone with two brain cells can see coming and feel really clever about it when they do. Some easy and universal theme like "Love conquers all", or the opposite "The world is shit", to trick the audience into thinking there's a greater theme and message in this - even though they already KNEW the message and are only looking for affirmation to what they already think they know. The author will have to dive deeply into these matters, so that even in the off-chance he might have enough intellect and skill to pull off something more complex, he would never have the time for it what with all the sex scenes and other stupid shit taking his time and attention.

Any book aspiring higher will prompt disagreement: each of the above points the book lacks, each thing it tries to do better or more complex, will drop potential readers. The only way to keep them all invested is for the book to be hopelessly mediocre - and therefore you really shouldn't bother yourself with it.

>>11866169
>Anything else useful that I'm missing?
novanon.net. Its a OCH forum and you will have to register first but it's >>11866169
worth it. Tons of stuff in the book section. It is the successor of the old bolt.cd forum, which was itself the the successor of the rapidshare.org OCH forum.

Also if you are mainly interested in SciFi and Fantasy check out the gigantic 570GB torrent on /t/.

>>11866236
>There has to be at least 1 good zombie novel out there.
Have you read "Swan Song" by Robert Mc Cammon? Its like "The Stand" mixed with "The Road" and both on LSD.

>>11866274
see, but like all things, there are exceptions.
there are some rather esoteric works that were never popular with the masses, that snobs love to go to as great works of unappreciated art, that really are crap.
And there are some things that reach popularity that do not reduce themselves to the lowest common denominator.

Just because something is popular, that might be enough to make you wonder if it's actually decent or not, but it strikes me as nothing but self flagulating elitism to say "the ignorant normies like this, so I hate it on principal and am just going to assume it is intellectually beneath me."

I mean, fucking "War And Peace" and "Crime and Punishment" are respectably popular.
And "A catcher in the rye," while well known, is mostly known because of people who think they're smart and read it, mostly so they can say "I've read 'catcher in the rye."

Now, which of those is a lowest common denominator piece of garbage that really means nothing and conveys nothing, and which ones are sophisticated, and not only respect your intelligence, but actually demand it, otherwise you're wasting it's time?

>>11866340
Fair, but the exceptions remain as such - exceptions. The genuinely good and popular things in particular are rare to the point of miraculous.

Every single fantasy/sci-fi book these days is YAAAAAS KWEEN slaying climate change deniers while exploring how ethnic identity intersects with gender in a world that takes pride in constructing categories and attitudes that exclude those who risk ostracism for expressing their voices. It fucking sucks.

Thinking about picking this up. Anyone read it already? Is it good? I'm really tired of cliche, badly written fantasy full of the same old tropes.

>>11866447
wtf im woke now

>>11863584
What do you think about City of Stairs? Never read anything by that guy so I'm not sure which to get first.

someone make next thread i dont have any ideas
if nobody does in the next five minutes, im going to make the next op image a shot of renowned catholic septuagenarian gene wolfe talking about a girl fucking a giant the next one

>>11866462
I mean it's decent but it's absolutely not the book you want to pickup if you're tired of cliched, generic tropes because it's chock full of them.
Think Tigana written into an epic fantasy setting with prophecy and a magic sword included.

>>11866471
Loved City of Stairs, definitely get that over Foundryside.

>>11866500
We're only on page 2, hold your horses.

>>11866522
4chan die

>>11866532
Mine works fine.

>>11866532
Have you tried turning it off and back on?

You homos want me to make a new thread?

>>11866620
Go make your new thread on /fit/ and leave us be.

>>11866620
Do it fruitcake

>>11866620
no, we want you to fuck off

Someone else make a thread before this musclefag does and ruins the next one with his faggotry

>>11866636
It will be ruined by waifus and shilling anyway. What difference will it make?

New thread homos. Please behave.
>>11866677
>>11866677
>>11866677

>>11866620
did she died

>>11866686
Of course not. Otherwise it wouldn't be reposted all over the Internet.

>>11860319
post one good jap fantasy novel

>>11867052
fate/stay night