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of course he is wrong but, my re-interpretation is this: the coming 100 years our main political system will not change in the west, social democracy / liberalism

>>11848288
I just can't imagine collapse or change, the people are wayyy to complacent
populism is false opposition of useful idiots

Sorry Fukuyama. But history has returned.

>>11848257
The 21st century is sure shaping up to be fun. we got dozens of competing batshit apocalyptic ideologies, culture collapsing into recursive memery, liberal universalist consensus is dead and nearly 100% of the population has a mental illness of some sort.

um..... he pretty much disavowed it

>>11848257
Hurr durr the soviet union is gone so it must be the end of history!

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>>11848312
>we got dozens of competing batshit apocalyptic ideologies
Craziest thing would be that the current order would manage to survive, at least in my opinion. A some type of collapse would be healthiest thing that could Happen near future, again in my opinion.

>>11848257
Fukuyama had less foresight than your average 4chan poster, he is hands down the biggest embarrassment to the "Academic/intellectual" community in America and the best exemplar of a living and breathing fraud. He is what happens when you decide to publish your diary desu.

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>>11848312
There's no getting off the ride:

>Not only can history not be caught up, but it seems that in this 'capitalist' society capital can never actually be grasped in its present reality. It is not that our Marxist critics have not tried to run after it, but it always stays a length ahead of them. By the time one phase has been unmasked, capital has already passed on to another. [...] Capital cheats. It doesn't play by the rules of critique, the true game of history. It eludes the dialectic, which only reconstitutes it after the vent, a revolution behind. Even anti-capitalist revolutions only serve to give fresh impetus to its own: they are the equivalent of the 'exogenous events' Mandel speaks of, like wars, crises, or the discoveyr of goldmines, which set capital off on a developmental process on fresh bases. In the end, these theorists themselves reveal the inanity of their hopes.

Capital is sentient.

>>11848733
>There seems to be this strange correlation between power/people in control of capital and their refusal to solve the problem of inheritance
>Capital must be sentient lol
You would think that with thousands of years of human history someone would bother to learn from it.

>>11848312
>Tfw the system is at peak fragility

>>11848733
>Capital is sentient
This is a neat little maxim for critics of capitalism, but we’re in danger of letting this also mean there is effectively no way out. Capital is not sentient, it is simply very, very adaptive.

>>11848257
>2018
>Fukuyama

you wat, mate?

le democracy gook

>>11848257
lol

>>11849045
He's coming back though guys!

>>11848288
the coming takeover of the state by the executive branch (ie: Caesarism) in the US is going to surprise you then

>>11849035
fetishizing the term "capital" ends up with silly notions like "capital is sentient"

capital isnt a "thing". it is not even a system, in the marxist sense.
its an historically grounded process, open to historical contingency like any other social process in the world. What even is "capitalism", what is an historically sensible definition of the term? The marxist version is nonsensical and has been refuted numerous times. It isnt "market dynamics" either, considering that this "capitalism" thing was always dependent on monopolistic, market distortive/control practices, like Braudel has shown.

So, what is it?

>>11849591
Lol

No posting from class, jimmy

>>11848257
The liberal world order is failing, this faggot became over-confident with temporary world-stability. Niall Ferguson completely guts him in "Civilization".

>>11849618
not by trump mind you.

but within the next decade. slowly creeping up, ever since bush number 1. (technically, since FDR, but I digress)

Liberalism is the peak of history, either we devolve into shit or we stay exactly where we are, which is also shit.

>>11849608
Money, industrial machines, property.

I'm really curious to know what China, Africa and the Islamic countries are gonna be like in 50 years.

I can't see anything else beside globalism for the West future if nothing happens in the middle, like i don't know, a war with Russia maybe, that kills half billion people or something.

Also, didn't Fukuyama publish a 'lol my bad i was wrong' book some years after that?

>>11849752
the processes generally atributable to capitalism dont require industrial machines tough.

>>11848733
Marxists are retarded. Capital isnt sentient, people are just greedy.

>>11850099
Why are we even still debating systems. They come and go, some are marginally more awful than others. Obviously ALL of them work fundamentally the same in that its just a competition of self interested individuals to obtain the highest position in social hierarchy. The only way out is to not to play. But since most people are willing to play, that makes life shit for the havenots.

>>11850105
Marxists being almost always atheist fail to see that the fundamental system behind all of these systems - individual greed, pride and lust is effectively a work of an entity that might otherwise be called the devil. You can set up your stupid utopia systems and they will all be the same shit because of that. Jesus already showed you the way out but you refuse to listen. Go ahead mock and scoff and keep playing that game, utopia is right around the corner.

>>11849788
Yeah more or less.

>>11848300
He’s wrong, feminism wants to turn all men into second rate women

So which of his books should actually be read though?

>>11848312
Any recommendation how an intelligent individual can avoid getting caught up in the coming shitshow without loosing dignity or backing down? - I kinda have this primitivist hermit(ish) ideology in the back of my head brewing...

>>11851331
I'm not agreeing with him but do this just for the memery
>Feminism turns women into second rate men and wants to turn men into women = second rate men = everyone is equal.
This incel memery has to stop, i have a well-functioning sexlife and i'm not angry. Why do i do this to myself?

>>11850113
>Devil is suppose to be a powerless maggot shoved in the metaphysical equivalent of a SuperMax
>Can corrupt even pious men, possess their bodies, create matter ex nihilo, straight up give people superpowers and even get out of jail to literally fuck people with his big demon dong
Explain this shit, christfags.

>>11849788
Well, as Taleb points out, things don't change much.

>Africa
Poor, viilent, unimportant.

>Islamic world
Poor, violent, increasingly secular as Modernity makes Islan irrelevant.

>China
A high-population production powerhouse that is largely concerned with control of its own population.

The West's friction with globalism has never been about any kind of xenophobia, but rather the West's inability to either both control it's own political processes by preventing outsider intervention (Jews, Americans, the EU, corporations, China) while also being unable to unifyband work as a collective within the Globalist system (as Japan does).

In short, a Western country can neither control itself nor direct itself, and Westerners are going to continue to chafe, increasingly, under this yoke ubtil they snap. An anon talked about that veing unlikely due to comfort, but keep in mind that people said that exact same thing about Iran, China, Russia, France, and Germany before they all had massive political upheaval. Nothing chnages until it does.

>>11852137
Jung sorts out all this shit desu...

>>11848257
Actually he’s right and Capital has won and become impervious.

duunq

>>11849826
they do, though, because they don't exist apart from their material basis, which is property

>>11848312
>dozens of competing batshit apocalyptic ideologies
what the hell are you talking about, there is only the rule of capital now

>>11849125
9/11 did nothing to refute his central claim though. if anything the encroachment of Western liberal democratic ideals into the middle east is in line with what he said

>>11849683
I think this has been happening since FDR as a result of WW2 (and possibly WW1). Nations began to efficiently build massive armies using large government bureaucracies; meaning if your nation did not follow suit it would get left behind at held at the mercy of another nation with a large military-industrial complex. Once these structures formed they began to exist for their own end and it is why nearly all developed nations have massive governments/executive branches.

Fukuyama has come out and refuted the book lol

>>11849826
I like Ellul's concept of technique for explaining capital.
>the totality of methods rationally arrived at and having absolute efficiency (for a given stage of development) in every field of human activity

>>11849035
>It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is most adaptable to change.

>>11854228
As he always has to.

Derrida refuted this clown.

>Derrida went on, in his talks on this topic, to list 10 plagues of the capital or global system. And then to an account of the claim the creation of a new grouping of activism, called the "New International". Derrida's ten plagues are:

>Employment has undergone a change of kind, i.e. underemployment, and requires ‘another concept’.
>Deportation of immigrants. Reinforcement of territories in a world of supposed freedom of movement. As in, Fortress Europe and in the number of new walls and barriers being erected around the world, in effect multiplying the "fallen" Berlin Wall manifold.
>Economic war. Both between countries and between international trade blocs: United States - Japan - Europe.
>Contradictions of the free market. The undecidable conflicts between protectionism and free trade. The unstoppable flow of illegal drugs, arms, etc..
>Foreign debt. In effect the basis for mass starvation and demoralisation for developing countries. Often the loans benefiting only a small elite, for luxury items, e.g., cars, air conditioning etc. but being paid back by poorer workers.
>The arms trade. The inability to control to any meaningful extent trade within the biggest ‘black market’
>Spread of nuclear weapons. The restriction of nuclear capacity can no longer be maintained by leading states since it is only knowledge and cannot be contained.
>Inter-ethnic wars. The phantom of mythic national identities fueling tension in semi-developed countries.
>Phantom-states within organised crime. In particular the non-democratic power gained by drug cartels.
>International law and its institutions. The hypocrisy of such statutes in the face of unilateral aggression on the part of the economically dominant states. International law is mainly exercised against the weaker nations.

He predicted mass deportation, trade war and race war before it became mainstream.

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>>11848257
Why do you post here Francis?

>>11855008
Citation please?

>>11848257
francis fukuyama himself isnt even a fukuyamist anymore lol

>>11856507
Specters of Marx

>>11848257
Why the last man? Do the feminists end up killing everyone but him Francis?

>>11856525
What pages?

>>11856519

This OP. You're late to the party

>>11856519
Nah he just keeps changing what being a fukashimaist means

>>11849045
Don't you want to read his second part of political order and decay goy? He's a genius!

>shamefully I did buy both volumes and will probably buy his new book. He's good for knowing arguments made by a certain subset of careerists.

Fukuyama seized on a moment of post-Cold-War unipolar US hegemony and just figured "this will be forever". Ascendant Chinese capitalism and a fragmenting Europe just confirm that he did no historical homework, he only observed his present moment.

>>11859542
Thanks for the reminder.

>>11855008
There is no mass deportation happening anywhere you delusional cocksucker. The influx of immigrants has only increased.

>>11859825
Sad but true.

>>11853116
>the encroachment of Western liberal democratic ideals into the middle east

Yeah man, once this medieval thrall is over I'm sure Iraq will have a Switzerland-style democracy with a starbucks on every street corner!

>>11855008
>Contradictions of the free market. The undecidable conflicts between protectionism and free trade.

What does that even mean? Mercantilism is dead and not coming back. Everyone but North Korea is on board with free trade at this point.

>>11861693
>China and America
What did he mean by this?

>>11859806
Yeah it's completely about identity! I'm actually sort of excited to see him take on the arguments of Lee, now that he's been at the center of his entire earlier model imploding

>>11862979
Lee who? The former Prime Minister of Singapore is all I can think of atm.

FOO KOO YEAH MAMA is a charlatan, just like his hero HAYGULL. He is an idiot and a tool of the CARTESO-SPINOZAN WORLDSYSTEM which dominates the world through the illegitimate political "science" and it's historically determined and actually eixstenc set of bunk ideologues including WILSONIAN IDEALISM, THE PEACE OF WESTPHALIA, AND WORLD SYSTEMS THEORY, the daemonic logic of ARCHONS and USURERS who seek to dominate whole world-empires for nothing but financial gain
WATCH OUT FOR THE MILNER GROUP

>>11848257
Where do I begin with this lad?

It may be the end of history, but it’s also the start of herstory

>>11865478
Cringe

>>11864146
Yeah I want to see him perhaps relook at his earlier "Fukuyaman" response to Lee's "Culture is Destiny" he wrote an article critiquing it in the 90's called "Is culture destiny?".

Now that he's basically had to write a book about identity and the perception of zero sum tradeoffs between groups in the same country, and how that has real measurable geopolitical implications for democracies, I wonder what he will say.

He was already sounding pretty cynical (compared to his old position) by the writing off Political Order and Decay, he's had to see the Arab Spring turn into a bloodbath and Eastern Europe become increasingly "illiberal" in the academic parlance. Fukuyama is free to write within reason about the problems of liberal democracy now and the nature of reinforcing identity blocks through voting solidarity. I'm not sure he'll go full Samuel Francis about the issue. But more honesty from people in the respected parts of society would do good.

I mean Edward Luce's "Retreat from Western Liberalism" written in 2017, sounds like hysteria at times because he didn't expect a Trump presidency, but he admits certain flaws that people on the Neoreactionary side of things have been saying for years. Particularly when it comes to the situation of domestic labor, the 25 year stagnation in family wages and 40 year stagnation in male wages, the increasing atomization and discontent of most people, and our own internal schizophrenia causing slow but steady retreats from areas of geopolitical importance and our shrinking as a power which will most likely result in a turning in the global structure of power.

I just like the "successful poster boy optimist realizes that they've been overlooking a giant mountain of shit about to bury a town" genre

>>11866525
>but he admits certain flaws that people on the Neoreactionary side of things have been saying for years. Particularly when it comes to the situation of domestic labor, the 25 year stagnation in family wages and 40 year stagnation in male wages
Do you really think that only neo-reactionaries have noticed these things?

>>11866565
Yes, even new Marxists are Neoreactionaries. Most everyone is a reactionary if they notice the failing of the order and react. I don't know why the dissedent left is afraid of this term it could be more useful than trying to drag Soviet and French ghosts.

>>11866644
>I don't know why the dissedent left is afraid of this term it could be more useful than trying to drag Soviet and French ghosts.
Probably because the term is already owned by people who are violently opposed to any global leftist project. On top of that, just slapping a label on a political movement does nothing to change it.

>>11852070
>I kinda have this primitivist hermit(ish) ideology in the back of my head brewing...
hmmmm
me to.
Can you explain further.

>>11852151

Do you have a blog? Legit interested.

>>11866667
Seconding this.

>>11866525
Where can I read more of your writing?

>>11867464
Well, I'm afraid Morgantown, WV. Otherwise I only make solitary posts.

I'm thinking about taking my research on ethnofederalist in Russia and making it into a book. If just for /lit/ or /his/

bump

>>11852094
>Sexlife
>Well-functioning

>>11848312
>culture collapsing into recursive memery
Can you elaborate here?

>>11855008
>oy vey goy the flow of drugs is unstoppable
>it's not managed as a distributed monopoly by the executive branch and various intelligence services