/lit/ - Literature

>>11835008
you haven't heard /lit/ talking up moldbug. what you heard was /pol/

Moldbug is highly intelligent, but yet another Merry England conservative at the end of the day.

>>11835122
>Moldbug is highly intelligent, but also highly intelligent at the end of the day.

>>11835081
>hurr durr lit is a communist board and anyone being right wing is a POL!!! invasion
Or maybe we just read him and found hiim reasonable, you guys are fucking pathetic

>>11835207
you can always tell when someones from /pol/ because of how defensive they get. I've never seen /tv/ fags ree over this shit lmao, but everytime /pol/ is mentioned you make your way out of the woodwork and put yourself on a cross

techno-commercialists and transhumanists are the dying breath of capitalist realism, read dugin instead for proper neoreactionary content

>>11835246
Except im not from pol. i came here in 2012, and when I visited pol it was because anons here were talking about pol related topics. I have always primarily posted here, if you think someone like Moldbug is just beyond the pale and edgy pol material you are a literal faggot

>>11835255
is he tedpilled? he said washing machines were evil

>okay, so, I didn't read Moldbug's "Document challenging the very fabric of your understanding of politics at a level you haven't even considered", so I don't actually know what's in it, but isn't it LE CRINGE?
rofling @ ur life

>>11835255
There is no resisting Capital, thoughts and actions taken against Capital are Capital. Capital is sentient

>>11835256
>muh cathedral
he shouldn't write like a /pol/fag then. you are infinitely more butthurt right now than I ever will be over Land's Yoko lmao

>>11835270
You realize you guys have confused yourself so thoroughly that you have turned one form of economic production into something like Hegel's World Spirit, or Schopenhauer's will

Capital might be sentient but it is hardly the totality of what is going on

>>11835122
He's not a typical conservative, his ideal system was some kind of cyberpunk neo-feudal Nazism but the chosen people are internally homogeneous global classes of high ‘socio-economic status’ and not exclusively biological ‘aryans’. He argues for racially (ethnosociological not biological) based ur-tribal homogenous absolutist micro-states, where unregulated capitalism combines with genetic separation between global elites and the low-IQ ‘refuse’ which are a drain on net production.

>>11835274
k sure im butthurt, you win the detached irony game. Now seriously, what is your problem with his cathedral conception, do you not see the clear analogy between our universities and media and State Department and etc. and the religious pull of an institution like a cathedral?

>>11835278
>Capital might be sentient
thats a meme, anon.

>>11835265
>"challenging the very fabric of your understanding of politics"
>this is what redpillers believe

>>11835282
universities discriminate based on talent

>>11835284
Im aware it's a meme, but it still might be sentient. If consciousness is based mostly on 'coming togehter' eg. the storm of neuronal connection, then something like global capitalism could easily be sentient, same way civilizations are, or other physical systems like rivers.

>>11835278
Capital, in its ultimate self-definition, is nothing beside the abstract accelerative social factor. Its positive cybernetic schema exhausts it. Runaway consumes its identity. Every other determination is shucked-off as an accident, at some stage of its intensification process. Anything able to consistently feed socio-historical acceleration will necessarily, or by essence, be capital. Human sentience is just wetware bootstrapping.

>>11835288
Universities quite literally let in black students with massively lower SAT scores than Asian students and this is basically policy

>>11835294
>Anything able to consistently feed socio-historical acceleration will necessarily, or by essence, be capital
My point is this was happening before humans ever existed, the evolution of life is the same process. Fixating on capital is such a meme

>>11835291
this isn't accelerationism it's pantheism or panpsychism or something.

>>11835300
sigh. responding to bait but here goes. SAT scores do not accurately predict all students' success at college. SAT scores are not the only metric of an application. the SAT is a reading test that does not meaningfully gauge reasoning and logic, and as far as mathematics goes, it is a joke

>>11835314
Because the latter two actually make sense, and are not driven by amphetamine-fueled psychosis

>>11835291
Capital as a Boltzmann brain?

>>11835294
Humanity is a means for AI to retroactively create itself, Capital is simply the force of nature.

>>11835300
2350 SAT here. 1600 if you wanna measure that way. The SAT was truly a waste of time and most of my friends at my top 10 college scored well below me, yet were equally if not more intelligent, studious, and cognizant

>>11835316
youre such a cowardly fucking faggot. Do you seriously believe the black kids are going to become fucking physicists? No, you know this is a joke but you posture like an effete intellectual
>sigh.
Could you be any fucking gayer

>>11835294
>Human sentience is just wetware bootstrapping

capital is sentient

>>11835326
low quality bait. i actually know black kids who are physicists and mathematicians. not that this matters to you, mr. no-true-scotsman shifting goalposter

>>11835343
>black kids who are physicists and mathematicians
How did you meet Niel Degrasse-Tyson

>>11835326
let me guess, you're 19 and the only place that accepted you was the local cc

>>11835343
>i actually know black kids who are physicists and mathematicians
no you dont

>>11835265
I'm not talking about his philosophy so much as his personality and way of speaking. His friendlest attempt at introducing his ideas begins with shameless attention-seeking meming. The DMT bit is especially offensive and infantile: it's basically adolescent. With such an introduction to the man, why should I have any interest in reading more of him? God knows I wade through a lot of filth to find /lit/'s pearls of great price, but at a glance, I'm not sold that Moldbug is hiding any pearls. Why should I dig through mud if I have no reason to believe that there's anything more to it?

>>11835122
>conservative
>advocates for an absolute ruler
pick one

>>11835356
If you care this much about fashion you will be incapable of reading Moldbug, he states outright that the blog is deeply unfashionable

>>11835356
you shouldn't. Moldbug is trash, and you can take that to the bank straight from the horse's mouth

>>11835364
Curtis, go the fuck away

hot take: eugenics is bad

>>11835364
I'm not talking about fashion, I'm talking about adulthood. If he does things specifically to be "unfashionable," then that information alongside the small sample of text I cited in the OP leads me to think that he more properly does things specifically to be "edgy," to appeal to the lowest common hip cynicism denominator.

At least Land's attention-seeking is aesthetic. Can you post any Moldbug excerpts that read well and/or say something actually interesting?

>>11835356
Not the guy you're replying to but you should give him a shot. He tones down the "cringe" language in the other chapters. He's worth reading just for the "cathedral" and for his analysis of the American "rebellion" as he calls it. His solutions are arguable but I like his concept of the antiversity etc. Also keep in mind this was from 2009 so terms like redpill didn't carry the cringe factor it does now.

>>11835372
I mean if you don't like what you've read of the Open Letter and etc,. then you just won't like him. He basically boils down to a few points, foremost of whch is just 'progressivism is a religion and this explains why our culture is completely deluded about basic aspects of reality'.

He is just a gateway into not being a zealot, he preaches passivism and zen and things like that. He is by no means necessary, you can stop being a religious zealot in any number of ways, mostly just by recognizing that the 'we are all equal and headed towards utopia' view of progressives, is in fact a religious tenet and nothing else.

>>11835294
The entities that are outside of normal spacetime that are trying to get in and change reality. They are invading from the future through an apocalyptic feedback loop: linear time is situated within non-time, and technologies invade from the future (the Outside) to gear-shift our historical reality toward the endgame: posthuman Earth.

"What is concealed (the Occult) is an alien order of time, which betrays itself through ‘coincidences’, ‘synchronicities’ and similar indications of an intelligent arrangement of fate. An example is the cabbalistic pattern occulted in ordinary languages – a pattern that cannot emerge without eroding itself, since the generalized (human) understanding and deliberated usage of letter-clusters as numerical units would shut down the channel of ‘coincidence’ (alien information). It is only because people use words without numerizing them, that they remain open as conduits for something else. To dissolve the screen that hides such things (and by hiding them, enables them to continue), is to fuse with the source of the signal and liquidate the world" --Nick Land

http://merliquify.com/blog/articles/hyperstition-an-introduction/

>>11835361
the right wing began explicitly pro-monarchy

I am slowly becoming more and more convinced that the increased schizophrenia you see in Marxist thinkers with the passage of time is a product of them being unable to accept that there's nothing inhrently wrong with capitalism so they unconsciously conjure up increasingly complex systems so they don't have to deal with the reality.

>>11835373
>>11835382
Thank you for the serious response(s), anon. I like the sound of antiversity, it piques my interest and I'll definitely look into it. The anti-zealousness point is nice, but like you said, there are plenty of other ways to go about it, and I'd say I already have. These things are obvious having a basic understanding of epistemology and understanding that the now popular Hegelian idea of history-as-progression which has been taken up by so many groups (from communism to transhumanism) is relatively new.

What are some other Moldbug highlights?

>>11835081
/thread

>>11835405
Capitalism is actually just the flip side of marxism. Read someone like Spengler to understand why. Marxism doesn't seek to get rid of materialist values etc, merely they wish to expropriate them. Any reactionary is against Capitalism (with a big c).

I have the impression that Land views Moldbug as something of a useful idiot.

>>11835439
Land is a literal drug addict retard who shouldn't be taken seriously. He's fun to read but accelerationism and most of his political philosophy is shit. Moldbug isn't too special either (you will get more out of reading original thinkers such as de maistre or carlyle for example) but he has a few interesting and feasible ideas.

>>11835008
11820258
11834788
How do I go about becoming a Mencius Moldbug or a Nick Land or a Tao Lin, popular dissemination via the internet-wise?

>>11835422
one other good thing he does is a Darwinian approach to which ideas win out in culture. It's basically actually just Dawkins' meme idea, but he takes it further than Dawkins is willing to do.
So essentially 'ideas that appeal win out' but not necessarily those that are right or good, and then he ties this into the actual processes of power in society.
https://unqualifiedreservations.wordpress.com/2007/09/26/how-dawkins-got-pwned-part-1/

This is probably the best of his little series. Though you will still hate how he writes

>>11835439
His favoured description of the far right is a division into three parts: techno-commercialism, ethno-nationalism, and traditionalism. Class, race, and gender.

While the Left's understanding of this attempts to meld all three together with a dose of solidarity, he is happy to have the partisans of each in conflict with one another. While he seems to have no in-principle commitment to racism (i.e. "biorealism") or misogyny (red pill stuff), he has repeatedly said "no enemies to the right." He just wants humanity to die off ASAP.

>>11835451
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>>11820258
>>11834788

>>11835458
>106 pages

Not saying it isn't worth it but people who give you literally no reason to believe they are interesting or insightful sure do expect you to go through a lot to find out.

capital is sentient

>>11835343
>my anecdotal evidence means you are wrong

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/us/politics/asian-students-affirmative-action-harvard.html

Literally fucking kill yourself.

>>11835459
>He just wants humanity to die off ASAP
based

>>11835373
Which article is the American rebellion one? I have the two cathedral ones but I can't seem to find that one.

https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/

>>11835081
Cringe

>>11835472
you dont have to read him dude. if you dont like how he writes then just dont bother.

Moldbug explicitly stated that he writes like that and in such long form because he wants to limit the number of people who read him, so that he doesnt attract a bunch of retards

i am not calling you a retard either, if my post seemed to imply that

>>11835513
I'm not him, just a general observation.

At least this dudes reason makes some sense I guess.

his reddit friendly gee whiz antics are in fact nihilistic, meta ironic performance art, moldbug is in fact haunted by a tragic concioussness of human futility in the face of autonomized technocapital.

>>11835200
Based (but actually he is Jewish so...)

>>11835255
Nuke the US and the UK now, save us from it all. fuck complacency, kill kiillll kkiiklllilll robots

>>11835288
Nope, universities discriminate based on social pressure. If you want it badly enough, you’ll get into a good one (excluding a minority of highly incompetent people.)
The exception to this is countries where they use grades to narrow and then proceed to interviews conducted by a competent panel to weed out nolife grinders.

Moreover, “the best” is absolutely meaningless in certain fields. 9/10 of “the best” literature, poli sci profs etc cannot make a valuable contribution to their field of study. You’re whole argument is that the common person is too low on the ladder to see what’s over the wall, so we ought to trust the guys on the next few rungs up. Actually, only the guy at the top, the Cobbett or the Jefferson, knows anything worth hearing.

>>11835279
>fancy buzzwords for /pol/ tier libertarianism
gay

The Cathedral is a good concept.

However I read his intro article and he claimed that Germany was a Conservative power compared with England so I think he might be retarded.

>>11835255
>>11835261
Dugin's inspired by the ideas of Lev Gumilev apparently, there's an English translation of "Ethnogenesis and the Biosphere" online if you google it

>Gumilev believed that micro-mutations, which resulted in the appearance of “passionary” people in the population, are caused by radiation from the near cosmos, and that radiation “usually occurs during the period of the lowest activity of the Sun”. 40 This radiation provokes a so called ethno-genetic explosion, i.e. a sudden emergence of people, whose distinction from the rest of the usually inert population is in the possession of an upgraded level of passionarity or ability to make a super effort and produce extraordinary work. Those people allegedly form the core of the new ethnic system. Depending on the level of passionarity, Gumilev classified people into three categories.
>1.The passionary people are individuals whose level of passionarity is higher than their instinct of self-preservation. 2. Harmonious individuals, are whose level of passionarity is equal to their instinct of self-preservation. The 3rd category is formed by subpassionary individuals, whose impulse of self-preservation is superior to everything.
>...to generalise Gumilev’s vision of history, one can say that history is being created through interaction of bordering super ethnic systems while each of them is experiencing a different age. Landscape and climate have a very important role in this interaction. It is landscape that defines the ways of housekeeping, the habits of everyday routine, “The aspects that make people’s bio-field vibrate in a common rhythm and on the same frequency.”
>Gumilev himself stated that the main problem of history is the super urbanisation and the damage of the environment caused by the ageing ethnic systems. So the start of a new ethno-genetic process is, in accordance with Gumilev, “a coordinated action of the biosphere of the earth and the near cosmos in order to prevent people’s destruction of nature”.

>>11835279
He is literally jewish, it isn't nazism at all, he calls the nazis 'demonic'. His patchwork thing is largely a meme, he doesn't really have an answer to anything outside his passivist ideal.

>>11835484
East Asians so hilariouly ruin the the 'white supremacy oppression' narrative.

>>11835270
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1bmWq7JJvo

Moldbug is great. I'd say together with Hans-Hermann Hoppe one of the more important figures for right wingers. Why? Because they both have a good understanding, suggestion and plans for how to get from "here to there".

I loved Gentle Intro, Open Letter and Patchwork + many individual articles.

The best output after his guides on getting from A to B are his links. Links to various historical books that are forgotten and his commentary on them. That genuinely inspired me to read them and it had some really eye opening things for me, like Tory view of American Rebellion (he links couple British primary sources). Fantastic stuff.

>>11835356
Stop being so pretentious and stop getting upset over superficial things that weren't even meant to be taken seriously.
Even intellectuals are just people who like to be silly every once in a while.

>>11835122
Moldbug is a mixture of monarchist, anti-democrat, anti-liberal, an-cap and libertarian. He is not a conservative, he does not mind degeneracy in itself like gay marriage, he minds the formalities of it all, and most of all he hates informal aspects.

>>11835670
The people Moldbug cites are way more interesting than him though. Carlyle, Froude, Nock, Pobedenostsev, de Maistre, etc.

he is like a shitty stirner

>>11835681
I knew Carlyle, Nock, de Maistre.
It's the more obscure books that he links to like Peter Oliver, Tucker or Walter Millis that really do it for me. Those books are gems and I would've never found them without him and by golly gee I fucking binged them like a madman and it's because of these links I don't regret at all going through all of his blog.

The shorter his blogs the less interesting they generally are. His best output is clearly his long, chained threads.

The Cathedral is just inverted Gramscian Hegemony

>>11835691
those random little sources he dug up on American history are very interesting it's true

>>11835497
>Which article is the American rebellion one? I have the two cathedral ones but I can't seem to find that one.
Gentle Introduction holds his interpretation of "American Rebellion"
https://moldbuggery.blogspot.com/
Second part has got link to the Oliver book I loved: https://archive.org/details/peteroliversorig007727mbp

>>11835008
This is what they unironically believe in:
https://youtu.be/NTJQTc-TqpU

>>11835008
Also, mods are utter shit pseuds for allowing this, but not this:

>>11835697
Wonder where he figured to even look for them.. I really do. I think few of them were in footnotes of Carlyle's books.

>>11835698
Thanks, do you have links or titles for the Tucker and Millis books as well?

>>11835714
The links are provided in the site. linked here >>11835698

The Millis book I referenced to is this: https://archive.org/details/MillisWalterRoadToWarAmerica19141917 which is from America Vampire PT2 (https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2008/09/america-vampire-of-world-part-2/))

>>11835723
Thanks.

>>11835438
>Capitalism is actually just the flip side of marxism. Read someone like Spengler to understand why
You don't need to read Spengler. Austrians already explain this by detailing out where Marx got his economic thoughts which is mostly from Ricardo, Smith on top of my head (Rothbard does great job at going through the theories and detailing their history and when Marx picked them up)

>>11835662
Unironically closer to the truth than Moldmemism.

>>11835704
Behold! Utopia on fire!

>>11835793
For anyone who doubts, see:
>>11835279

>>11835817
Exactly what idea to do you think Moldbug takes from NSDAP or Hitler?

>>11835279
>cyberpunk
define
>neo-feudal
he lists Singapore as an example state, nothing neufeudal in there, or China.
>Nazism
where
> the chosen people
There are no chosen (by some hand) but (naturally) selected people, all feedback loops that don't select against risks have been eradicated in his utopia (ie. state subsidy, its time to sink or swim to get rid of the harmful mutation baggage in society)
>homogenous
he is very, VERY open borders, he loves the exit option aka vote with your feet and move to another sovereign state (SovCorp in his utopia) idea.
>global classes
unsure what you mean, define.
>high soc-ec status
You don't want low soc-ec status folk in your Corporation do you?
> He argues for racially (ethnosociological not biological) based ur-tribal homogenous absolutist micro-states
Hardly anything racial. He doesn't mind if people segregate, they're free to do so and naturally do. He wants state to STOP forcing people NOT TO segregate.
> unregulated capitalism combines with genetic separation between global elites and the low-IQ ‘refuse’ which are a drain on net production.
Only thing almsot correct in this post. He prefers unregulated capitalism because it produces (natural capitalistic) selection which will weed out the losers and make for a more competitive environment.

Hope that helped to unfuck your confusion.

>: The Unironic Pseudobiography

>>11835674
>stop getting upset over superficial things
sounds like your the one whose upset anon

All he's really done is take Marx and a bit of Debord, say that capital is sentient, and side with it against humans.

>>11836022
Why are inanimate objects and concepts sentient now in philosophy? When did this become fashionable?

>>11836022
>Marx and a bit of Debord,
literally what m8, it is Carlyle mixed with Darwin or maybe Richard Dawkins, situated in the digital era

The capital thing is Land who is an actual lunatic, though sort of poetically insightful

>>11836047
capital is not inanimate
read Locke ffs

>>11835288
If the academic left was talented their empirical wing which brands itself science would produce replicable studies at an absolute bare minimum.

>>11836142
social sciences are not equal to the scientific methods and standards, they're pseudoscience. newspeak hurts.

>>11835459

>>11836156
if something has predictive value it isn't pseudoscience. Popper said the main thing was falsifiability

>>11835279
It's more like post-human Pol Pot than Nazism.

>>11836022
You're confusing Moldbug with Land dude.

>>11836156
I'm not a sperg who thinks it has to be physics to be science, which is asinine, as you'd have to discount all social data including those very surveys showing social scientists these days lean hard left, while they are also outputting a very poor quality of work, which is a highly suggestive correlation if not conclusively causal.

>>11836156
social statistics with bayes is more science than physics or chemistry ironically

>>11836256
What Bayesian cultists actually believe

>>11835008
>it was mild, it wasn’t DMT
t. never did DMT. its so easy to fuck up your hit and. not make it over the threshold

>>11835354
Not that guy but they do exist
I'm in physics and my department has about 150 students in undergrad and at least 5 or 6 of them are black
Most of the school is engineering and cs, and they make up easily 20-30% of those majors

>>11835696
This

>>11835696
yep

>>11835696
>Gramscian Hegemony
Very few people know the extent to which the New Right is influenced by Gramsci and the 'Cultural Marxists', but there you have it.

Moldbug is a shitty Land
Land is trying to update Deleuze & Guattari but his success is dubious, if he's been successful at all
I dunno, CCRU seems strange

>>11835353
let me guess, you're not in STEM grad school. Fucking manlet niggers picking on even smaller niggers to feel like slightly bigger niggers. disgusting

>>11835008
nigga looks like a woman

>>11835270
capital is sentient, but capital is NOT sentience

>>11835291
capital isnt just a responsive system like rivers. it is a process of epistemic growth.

>>11835326
surely if you think black kids arent gonna be academics then youve got no problem. also the main discrepancy is that blacks apply for easy courses - so have a lower expected sat. its not a big anti-white conspiracy

>>11835361
"conservative" is a bad term because it just means "whatever we had when i grew up". high anglo conservatives are pro-monarchy (well, certainly pro- aristocracy with crown loyalty)

>>11835658
and jews desu
"huh huh blacks dumb bc they got not literature or science"
"wait wait the jews outpace us at lit and sci bc they're secretly controlling the world!!!"

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb-6ikXdOzE

lmao what an idiot

theres merit in moldbug in that he just straight up says where this is all heading to in the unavoidable near future and just advocates for it. but i do think hes just edgy for the sake of being edgy most times. also his valuations as to why this ultra corporatocracy on roids is a good thing are pretty weak

>>11835081
Snap

>>11835274
Very cringe

>>11835008
You have to remember he was writing a decade ago, before "redpill" became a neologistic euphemism common to right-wing vernacular. Some of his terminology is difficult to read with a straight face now, but that by no means diminishes the insight of his ideas. Not just on the "cathedral", which is just one aspect of the Polygon, but also in his discussion of the civil service, power, the "official" press, progressivism as cladistically theological, the reactionary interpretation of history, why libertarianism fails, etc etc. You do yourself a disservice to let the idiosyncrasies that he himself did much to popularize turn you away

>>11835658
How?

>>11835274
>Land's Yoko
kek

>>11835285
basepilled

>>11835008
I stopped reading after he started arguing for unironic imperialism and that the British monarch should have remained in control of America in 1776.

>>11837744
t. american
A reactionary cannot logically support the American """revolution""" (rebellion). It along with the French Revolution were two of the greatest mistakes in history (and the Reformation for that matter).

>>11835246
You're just saying that because you're Jewish!

>>11836080
>The capital thing is Land who is an actual lunatic
Nah he's sane

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/17/the-f-word/

Ponytail boy

>>11835274
>/pol/
>talking about the English Civil War
>talking about problems more systemic in the Western form of cultural zeitgeist
>talking about flaws in the Enlightenment
>talking about anything besides Drumpf, niggers, trannies, cucking, shit teir memes and their one good informative topic of Syria.

Moldbug makes jokes that got taken by the 9gag of political discourse, but he does have a good historical irony to him. I like that, and his humor wouldn't have been appropriated if it didnt connect at some level.

You guys give /pol/ too much credit, they haven't read Moldbug nor will they ever read Moldbug. He's also Jewish and the grandson of communists.


Another thing I like are his reading recommendations, which as a whole, are more plentiful and better than what I get from here.

>>11835255
besed

Moldbug, Land, and their ilk are now polemicists in the clothing of nuance. To treat them as if there is an underlying form of nuance gives a legitimacy to their work that A. it does not deserve intellectually and B. is incredibly dangerous for public discourse. His work is part ideological charlatan and part the work of an intelligent mind that has thoroughly and rigorously avoided anything that might resemble self-reflective acts. Do not stare too long into the abyss lest you try to cope in ways that you ought not.

>>11838178
lmao sgfag butthurt in all the way at lit
lmao you shot down russian aircraft top lel

lol this fucking nerd ran to lit to make threads about his jew self?

gtfo out of here yarvin you fucking loser

you are an overly wordy nothing with a bunch of jewish sycophants

you are a creep.

op you should never give these (((nrx))) types any airtime

let them stay in their creepy neurotic internet ghetto where they autistismo masturbate dumb ideas, through words.

moldjew is a commie ultimately. he just likes to flirt with right wing blogging.

>>11835678
>jew

>monarchist

>still hasn't named the problem "the synagogue"

no. fuck yarvis. he gets my lasso.

>>11838462
>>11838457
>>11838442
Where did Moldbug touch you?

Does nobody else on this board read NRx websites? Do you all read Social Matter, or did you read Thermidor while it was still running?

>>11838481
I don't, because they are full of bad writing. Only ones worth shit were Land and Moldbug and they're both gone, and they both had individual blogs.

>>11835255
Has anyone read Richard Spencer's book? I was shocked how apparently illiterate he was, he seemed at least moderately intelligent in his videos.

>>11838498
No, he seems to just shill for social democracy but for huwhites, he is boring.

>>11835356
you basically summed it up right there bro. he had a blog back when nobody really had decent access to blogging. he's a boomer jew commie.

that is about it. that is only reason you've heard of him online. he hangs with other internet marketers who promote themselves...

>>11838481

I had a spate of this circa 2010-2014 and then I left off since I got the basic idea, but I do occasionally check back in. Imagine my delight at total vindication when Trump won.

Dennis Mangan had one which was interesting, but it stopped updating. Likewise one "Foseti", and a few others amid the actual alt-right milleu as it existed circa 2014; someone put together a useful graphic for the various sites which gained traction around this period, a bit like the slight networks among the pre-socratics.

>>11838487
Monarchy is unironically making a comeback. The number of de facto monarchies has grown in the last ten years, if you count Putin, Erdogan, and Xi appointing himself emperor.

>>11838511
> Moldbug
> commie
Why do you must insist on lying about something so easily fact-checkable?

>>11838511

People have had decent access to blogging since about 2003 or so. I don't actually know what interval you have a mind but something tells me that it's later, in which case at least one clause of what you've written is silly.

>>11838519
> Imagine my delight at total vindication when Trump won
How so?
>>11838527
I think you are stretching the definition of "monarchy" bit too much with the tinpot trio.

>>11835279
ya. just an absolute bowl of jewish shit gibberish...anyone that looks up to this is retarded and lonely. seriously.

>>11835279
Notably, he's one of the only far-right thinkers who rejects racism, because he believes whites are just as worthless as black people.

>>11838546
He is okay with all races as long as their actions are positive feedback loops and rest on meritocracy and skills. And why not? Even United States and USSR saved those Nazi scientists because they were pretty good at science

>>11835382
nothing out of his mouth or type has any meaning. he is a jew.

>not being a zealot
but
>preaches preaches preaches preaches passivism and zen and "things like that"

keyword preaches. yea, he's a shut in maniac jew with a nerd ego that likes the feeling of having a bunch of dumber jewish people pat him on the back on internet comment sections.

>>11838576
are you just ultra giga mad because he disavowed Nazis and Hitler? You have no arguments, you just scream about his Jewish being like a /pol/lack

or are you a false flagging /lit/izen trying to get this fine thread deleted?

>>11835278
We haven't confused ourselves ourselves at all. Behind the World Spirit there is Capital pulling the strings, giving Alexander the Great a loan and forcing him to loot Asia. Capital does not only contain Will, it is Will. It is Will to Power hoarded by our best and brightest, cunning and cutthroat. And now it is being hoarded by the tools created by those people.

Neoreaction is the best. Liberals, libertarians, ancaps, anarchists, socialists, communists, fascists, nazis, conservatives, nationalists, social democrats, centrists all get the bullet or will be enslaved.

>>11835513
no

he just poses lovecraft, who he is obssessed with

calling other people retards is him being jewish

sadly for curtis, his writing and political opinions are retarded.

>>11838599
>Liberals, libertarians, ancaps, anarchists, socialists, communists, fascists, nazis, conservatives, nationalists, social democrats, centrists all get the bullet or will be enslaved.

This sounds unironically awesome.
Only thing left will be A.I. machines hoarding resources until lights go out in the Universum

>>11838599
aka the ultimate "fuck you" ideology

White sharia + neo-Pol Potism is the future

>>11835255
White sharia + neo-Pol Potism is the future

>>11838798
http://ruralpeople.atspace.org

>>11838798
Aryan Nations minister of Islamic jihadist outreach swears allegiance to North Korea and founds the Rural People's Party to spread "Militant Juche Songun and Jim Jones thought," simultaneously declares himself priest of a white supremacist Hindu cult dedicated to Kali founded by fellow neo-nazis

https://www.nknews.org/2013/05/white-power-and-apocalyptic-cults-pro-dprk-americans-revealed

Millenarianism for millenials

>Mencius Moldbug
Still can't get over this name, it's like a fucking Harry Potter character. Lmfao

>>11838992
Mencius was old CN philosopher.

>>11838527
That leads to the question what differentiates between a dictatorship and a monarch.

>>11838133
>http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/17/the-f-word/
Land's writing is so fucking dense. You actually have to reorient yourself to reading more slowly. It's like reading Montaigne or some shit execept it's insane and oblique whereas Montaigne makes perfect sense

>>11835081
no he has a lot of /lit/ supporters, though i expect most of them have mixed feelings about some of his rhetorical choices

>>11835008
>I was hoping that he actually had merit rather than being a slightly more articulate version of "lel based & redpilled" mentality.

you haven't gotten to the free verse yet. lurk and read moar.

>>11840039
Is a monarchy really anything more than a dictatorship that perpetuates itself from one generation to the next?

>>11835288
>universities discriminate based on talent
hahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahhahaha
you've never looked at the admission data by SAT/ACT and race, have you?
Do you know why people don't want black doctors? pic related are either a total idiot or are slinging bait

>>11840747
is democracy really anything more than a dictatorship that perpetuates itself from one generation to the next?

You know, AnCaps solved all of this and I say this completely sincere.

>>11840760
I'd love to have Ben Carson as my doc.

>>11838178
>You guys give /pol/ too much credit, they haven't read Moldbug nor will they ever read Moldbug. He's also Jewish and the grandson of communists.
Can confirm. I've been dropping Moldbug knowledge over on /pol for about 4 years. No one is receptive.
>hur dur he's jewish

>the (((cathedral)))

>>11838519
>"Foseti",
ah, a fellow traveler. That was my favorite "nrx" blog. He was a much better writer than Moldbug or Land.

>>11840803
>No one is receptive.
>>hur dur he's jewish
Pretty much. I browse /pol/ a lot and they are incredibly offended that Moldbug would throw nazees to the woodchipper with rest of the idiots.

Why can't White Nationalists or Supremacists pick George Washington, Frederick the Great or any other number of Great White Men to gang around?
Why is it that failed stupid fucking uneducated Austrian?
>>11840815
Cool, I'll check him out then.

>>11840815
>"Foseti
I don't remember much of Foseti's stuff, why do you say he's the best? The best guy involved with all that was imo Spandrell

>>11840855
>why do you say he's the best?
to be clear, i don't think he had many original ideas. but foseti was a great synthesizer. his prose was much clearer than Moldbug or Land's. And he was great and finding examples in "the wild" to illustrate Moldbug and Land points.
I had read most of UR and Xenosystems, but I didn't actually 'believe' a lot of it until after fosteti had put the pieces together

>>11840872
I don't really mind prose, just the ideas themselves.
t. not the guy you replied
Xenosystem's blogturds are so short it is frustrating.

>>11840747
By that definition the Kim Jong regime is a monarchy.

>>11835255
nazbol gang

>>11835279
>cyberpunk neo-fuedal Nazism

>>11838599
accelerationists are crazy

>>11835255
Butlerian techno jihad NOW

His prose isn't good, but it is hilarious and extremely insightful. It defs isn't for everyone, but Moldbug offers the most original ideas on political philosophy since Nozick imo

>>11840760
>the closer you are to being a termite person, the more punished you are for being a gross soulless insect
good system we have going 2bh

Landian discord-
qd2gng

>>11835255
past will eat the future

anyone here read Vast Abrupt? It's an online Acc/NRx journal.

>>11835929
this image is an unironic pro monarchist argument from anarcho-capitalists.

Moldbug is pretty good, but I don't really agree with his sympathies for Austrian economics and people advocating patchwork/exit are anarcho-liberal fantasists.

I just want a moderate-authoritarian government that is secure enough to not get bought out or Color Revolution'd, is that really too much to ask for?

>>11843031
that's sentient capital speaking

>>11843050
>sentient capital
This is pure liberal autism.

>>11835255
We need to return to the Being, to the Logos, to the foundamental- ontology (of Heidegger), to the Sacred, to the New Middle Ages - and thus to the Empire, religion, and the institutions of traditional society (hierarchy, cult, domination of spirit over matter and so on). All content of Modernity - is Satanism and degeneration. Nothing is worth, everything is to be cleansed off. The Modernity is absolutely wrong -- science, values, philosophy, art, society, modes, patterns, "truths", understanding of Being, time and space. All is dead with Modernity. So it should end. We are going to end it.

>>11843477
end of the cycle

>>11843477
The only entity powerful enough to oppose Capital is Jesus Christ.

"In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world!"

>>11843050
Nah, sentient capital only posts in /biz/.

>>11842995
>anarcho-capitalists
>irony
Good one.

>dude just give the Jews total control so that they turn the world into districts of runaway IKEA/Gaza lmao

>>11842995
I mean, so is Moldbug.

>>11843477
You know some cunts down the line will find the sacred texts (how to books on farming, combustion engines, metalworking) and start it all again. I'd say just sterilise us all and let us fade into extinction

>>11842856
hhe is far too left to be land/moldbuggian nrx

>>11843031
whats wrong with Austrian rcon in your opinion?

>>11843834
There is no phenomenal self

Capital is not sentient, and you guys are fucking morons for thinking it is. All of these anglo ultra-reductionist arguments really makes me think that there is something inherently wrong in the deep seeds of your culture.

>>11844026
You wont say that when Skynet breaks you down for resources!!!!

The sentient future AI/Capitalism worship reminds me of the suicide cults you used to see a lot but died off.

>>11843534
I love Dugin. May English become a language spoken only in Hell.

>>11835255
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

>>11835274
the point of the Cathedral is not a conspiracy theory, Moldbug would probably like it if it were as he likes strong power from above, his problem with the Cathedral is that it's an unacknowledged bureaucracy, even unacknowledged from inside, that sets the norms and direction of society but takes responsibility for nothing

>>11844311
Correct.

>>11835704
thanks for the link, great autism

He has a shallow, plebeian grasp on the history of ideas.

>>11835008
he's oddly qt in that video

>>11835008
Are there any female neoreactionaries?

>>11844902
there's on twitter a trap version of nick land, you'll decide if that counts as female or not

>>11844850
the left can't meme, this is atrocious

>>11844902
>>11845014
see https://twitter.com/nyxlandunlife

>>11844850
But most bad things in modernity DO have their roots in Protestant thinking.

>>11845026
Protestantism has a lot more going for it than just influence by Calvinism
Read Kierkegaard

>>11837970
Why does she have a paintbrush without an easel or anything to paint on? Retarded cartoon

>>11845071
She's gonna paint your face, senpai.

>>11845026

If you are talking about the "muh private judgement lead to all the world's ills" meme, that that's false:

https://rationalityofaith.wordpress.com/2016/10/30/how-the-17th-c-french-catholic-use-of-pyrrhonian-scepticism-against-calvinism-created-the-french-enlightenment-skeptics/

>>11838487
>ideal town is a cross between a Bavarian village and Tokyo
YES

>>11844026

Its amazing how morons can still buy into Silicon Valley techno hype in current year. These goons are so thoroughly cucked by corporate PR that they made an ideology out of it and unironically started worshipping Google servers as a time travelling God.

Bump

>>11845026
I wonder who could be behind this Cathedral...

>>11845315
This.
Boomer meme for post-Boomers who missed the tech boom.

This guy is insane.

inhope you all are trolling when you shill for him

>>11847135
I always said it was just Stalinist ancapism with Zionist-Palestine city planners.
Prove me wrong. Anyone?

>>11847135
Better than the alternative, which is anarcho-primitivism.

>>11847135
he's obviously fucking around, but his point stands- the current selection mechanism for our government is so retarded and dsyfunctional that even just replacing them with pilots would be an upgrade

He at one point drives home this point by saying that Obama, who he constantly shits on, as a dictator would be a vast improvement because he would have actual responsibility and authority.

>>11844902
me

>>11847191
>He at one point drives home this point by saying that Obama, who he constantly shits on, as a dictator would be a vast improvement because he would have actual responsibility and authority.
I'm not so sure about that. Most of the Progressive agenda has been declared by the courts, after all. I think many Progressive policies are motivated as much by elite desire to punish the masses for their perceived moral failings as it is money-making and/or power grabbing.

Is this politicization of the despair code?

>>11847556
>as they are money-making or power grabbing
fixed
progressive immigration policies for example are motivated by a desire to make money through real estate price increases and cheap labor, and partially to gain votes, but there's an obvious undercurrent of a desire for revenge/punishment to be inflicted for exhibiting insufficient enthusiasm for their utopia.

>>11847191
If accelerationists are so fast, why can't they meme?

>>11847567
are you calling Moldbug an accelerationist? Because I wouldnt say he's one at all. He doesn't use Marxist capital-oriented economics, he's an Austrian school fag, he used to be libertarian.

>>11847565
>but there's an obvious undercurrent of a desire for revenge/punishment to be inflicted for exhibiting insufficient enthusiasm for their utopia.
yeah for sure. they even have a bit of the old Puritan stuff about like cigarettes and the like

>>11847567
He's not an accelerationist, he is a 'puppet' of the accelerationists

>>11847623
>in-memes
If there is no outside then why are accelerationists eternally outside?

>>11847607
>like cigarettes and the like
im retarded

>>11843834
extreme apriorism is their main fault. though they have lots of good ideas too, their skepticism of econometrics seems very justified as a lot of that stuff just strikes me as cargo cult pseudoscience.
but the whole 'economic laws are unfalsifiable and derived from our minds' bit (see the opening chapters of Rothbard's Man Economy and State) is pretty cringe.

t. not the guy who first brought up Austrianism

>>11844850
implying Calvinism and progeny haven't been an absolute intellectual and spiritual cancer....
anon, i just

>>11835008
>Judging a person via jokes they make on the internet
How much of a brainlet can one be?

>>11847260
poast tits w timestamp

>>11847598
>he used to be libertarian.
very surprised no one has posed pic related. he basically identifies as a non-socialist fascist now

>>11847716
he identifies as a reactionary, unless things have changed since he stopped posting on UR
his preferred choice of government is his absolute memery about a joint-stock government, and then after that he literally praises hereditary absolute monarchy as the best option. He is way back in the Glorious Revolution era, arguing against parliaments, and for the King.

>>11835008
Why does capital being sentient require monarchy?

How important is UR to popular thinking? The hostility and closed-mindedness is pretty chilling.

>>11847794
>How important is UR to popular thinking?
not very. The 'altright' as a broad phenomenon is just a reaction to advancing progressivism. Moldbug has been highly influential a small group of bloggers, and some Silicon valley figures like Peter Thiel, and apparently Steve Bannon, so he's not irrelevant, but he's also not really a presence in the mainstream.

>>11847794
Steve Bannon is a fan of UR.

>>11843834
>durr statistics is hard therefor just stick with a priori lmao
http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/bcaplan/whyaust.htm

>>11848235
> In precisely the same way, I can know some cases in which I am indifferent.
> I am often indifferent between the colors of clothes; though I pick one color, I know that I would have picked the other if the prices were not equal

This guy is very confused, lmao. He can't escape praxeology. Only unconscious people can be indifferent by any reasonable measure.
(I've seen you link this before bby)

>>11847695
The extreme apriorism makes for entertaining reading imho

>>11835081
The guy is Jewish. Retard.

>>11835008
Damn didn't look half bad back then.

>>11847702
>implying Calvinism and progeny haven't been an absolute intellectual and spiritual cancer....anon, i just

Put up your dukes: if all you've got is the silly "muh Puritan egalitarianism!" or the internet rad-trad "muh Prottie private interpretation is the seed of all liberalism" memes, then I'm not impressed both of these are pretty easily refuted.

>>11847895
Spencer, enoch and all the of the TRS affiliates are aware of, and consider themselves beyond, Moldbug

>>11849526
Spencerfats are nothing but social democrats with bit of racialist tint.

Now them being 'beyond Moldbug', I don't know what this is supposed to mean, but I find Moldbug's plan for Royalism/Restoration better (its still utopic) than Spencer's "VOTE TULSI 2020" and his tears for sand niggers.

>>11849526
Moldbug is beyond ideology, he is transcended.

>>11849540
He is not beyond ideology at all, he describes himself with -isms and as a second-rate Carlyle.

>>11849540
That's cute
>>11849535
The trs volk are "beyond" in that they satisfy an ideological sincerity and pragmatism mencie's absurd graspings at monarchism and statelessness never could, post-libertarianism is a heck of a drug

this guy is fucking insane

>>11849611
Mattis 2024 let's fucking go.

>>11835008
Dude looks like a hippie dweeb. Why would I care what he has to say about anything knowing that his whole worldview was shaped by weakness and rejection?

this dude is a fucking overt racist and fascist, no wonder it appeals to /pol/ incels

disgusting statist cuckoldry

>>11850132
anybody who isn't racist is just literally lying to themselves. all the data ever collected suggests that racism is true, every single study ever, all they can do is feebly criticize the methodology, which rigor would invalidate the entirety of the social sciences if universally applied

He is also not a fascist, you have not read him, you have not read the Doctrine of fascism, you do not understand what reaction is, your mind is a FUCKING MEME dictated dictated by social conformity and base impulse

>>11850196
t. nazi

>>11850204
more like t. person whose understanding of the world is not dictated by hysterical fear of ostracization

you fucking FAGGOT

>>11835008
> expecting human decency from a (((Moldbug)))
Lel and kek.

>>11850204
calling someone a racist facist or nazi statist is not an argument

>>11850212
> Commit genocide
> nuh nuh not an argument
Another nazi

>>11850216
youre a fucking slug

>>11850216
>> Commit genocide

damn, Moldbug's accomplished that much since he quit blogging?

>>11835008
Internet culture was very different in the mid 00s. The type of humor that was prevalent on 4chan would be considered pretty 'cringe' by modern standards.

>>11835255

>>11849435
>"muh Prottie private interpretation is the seed of all liberalism"
please refute this for me. genuinely interested, give me something to read.

>>11849558
>post-libertarianism is a heck of a drug
i've been on this ride for almost a decade. can confirm, i waffle between unibomberism and totalitarian accelerationism depending on how much caffeine and alcohol i've had

>>11850216
Lol fuckin slave

I'll be the leader :)

>>11835081
I've never seen Moldbug mentioned on /pol/. Not even once

>>11851102

https://rationalityofaith.wordpress.com/2016/10/30/how-the-17th-c-french-catholic-use-of-pyrrhonian-scepticism-against-calvinism-created-the-french-enlightenment-skeptics/

http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2018/01/elevator-out-of-order.html

>>11851726
i saw him in ancap/libertarian generals made by Portuguese guy

>>11835081
Not even sure /pol/ likes him, the weird thing about Moldbug is that a lot of right-wing blogs formed around him but his "being ruled by cyberpunk megacorps is awesome" ideology clashes with everything from routine MAGA populism to Evola types.

>>11838498
>he seemed at least moderately intelligent

Spencer is basically a prominent white nationalist because he's a prominent white nationalist, there's nothing to his worldview unfamiliar to someone who just discovered /pol/.

>>11838481
What happened to Thermidor? IIRC it's been less than a month and the site's still up but doesn't list anything.

get this nazi shit off of here

>>11844045
>suicide cults
>died off
checks out

>>11851726
>r seen Moldbug mentioned on /pol/. Not even once
you don't spend enough time on /pol then, i've dropped him in just about every thread about libertarianism

>>11852664
kek

>>11837559
Higher average IQ than everyone except to ashkenazi jews(maybe),homogenous societies,conservative values,very xenophobic,high in-group preference,they see non-whites or non-asians as subhumans,very prosperous.

>>11835491
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>>11837559
they outperform whites while undoubtedly facing some level of discrimination in society

>>11853343
>they outperform whites
No they don't.

>>11852415
>What happened to Thermidor? IIRC it's been less than a month and the site's still up but doesn't list anything.

They said they were closing up on Twitter. Maybe they'll pay for hosting for the next month or so, but I don't think they'll be putting up any new content.

It's a shame, because they were unironically one of the best right-wing/reactionary sites. And, my God, there was more vitality there than at the fucking National Review or the American Conservative.

At least Social Matter's still running, for now.

>>11853550
at stuff like SATs and socio-economic stuff, and incarceration, yes they do. They also coincidentally have larger brains on average

>>11853580
They are immigrants.

>>11853607
still though, look at china's homicide rate despite the poverty. Look at how fast they industrialized. I think the problem is that you simply cannot have 1.4 billion people living at a high standard. Japan and South Korea are even more dramatic, there is nowhere else on earth like their major cities in terms of cleanliness and safety and the efficiency of infrastructure and etc.

They seem to lag behind Europe in terms of inventing things, that's all I can think of as a mark against them. I mean there are plenty of retarded things about their culture dont get me wrong, they are also sort of like ant people in a creepy way, but on the whole they are more 'civilized' than Europeans are. Maybe a small European nation like the Netherlands can compare, it's hard to say because there is nowhere homogenous left in Western Europe.

>>11853680
> look at china's homicide rate despite the poverty.
>Japan and South Korea are even more dramatic, there is nowhere else on earth like their major cities in terms of cleanliness and safety and the efficiency of infrastructure and etc.
>They seem to lag behind Europe in terms of inventing things, that's all I can think of as a mark against them.
Collectivist, socially anxious, fearful of anything new, thin tails.
>they are more 'civilized' than Europeans are.
Have you ever seen Chinese tourists? Mainland Chinese are some of the least civilized people on the planet. Gross people.
>homogenous
China is not homogeneous.

>>11853850
for a billion people it is remarkably homogenous, compare to the billion people living in Europe or in India

>>11853881
>Maybe a small European nation like the Netherlands can compare, it's hard to say because there is nowhere homogenous left in Western Europe.
90% of China identifies as Han Chinese which is not ethnically or culturally homogeneous. There are many European countries more homogeneous than China.

>>11853680
"Civilized" is vastly overrated. Europe is great because in it civility and savagery are perfectly balanced. Europe is just civilized enough and just savage enough. It works out really well for dominating the world.

>>11853945
Han Chinese are per genome (ethnicity) the single largest homogenous human pop.

>>11851726
I mentioned him in a /pol/ thread today

>>11853332
Not really anymore

b

Bump

Who is your favorite writer in the vein of Moldbug? I really like Hoppe but like Moldbug says, he diverts to anarchism which is chaos and not to royalism/order

>>11858532
Hoppe is amazing. New thread for this when?