/lit/ - Literature

it's good but my life isn't any better for reading it

No.

Of course

>>11829193
Yes.

>>11829193
Favorite scene? Favorite character?
The Chad answer is Father Theropon (sp)

>>11829193
Pretty good for a soap opera

>>11829193
Yes, but not P&V's translation

>>11829193
yes.

I've not read it yet but The Grand Inquisitor is taught across all liberal arts in college. There's no recent fiction writer with as much coverage as Dostoevsky in my field(History)
I'd consider his other works to be masterpieces of the highest order and am waiting to read BK so I can understand it totally. If you are mature enough you should read it

>>11829434
I always liked the sequence where Ivan is frantically running back and forth to ask Smerdyakov more questions, and slowly realizes he's been outsmarted by a psycho retard.
Alyosha and Zossima are my favorite characters, they encapsulate everything Dost had been trying to say for his entire career.

>>11829193
i liked when Kolya reads a book about homer's iliad and asks his teacher who founded troy and then Kolya thinks hes the shit because he knows the answer. i also like when Kolya tries baiting a drunk ugly peasant with a smartass remark but the peasant dosent fall for it.

>>11829434
The life of Zosima is def the best section

A paragraph I love and never see mentioned is when Ivan describes a painting. With the peasant on it unthinkingly staring into nothing. And Ivan says the moments will accumulate and ultimately end in the peasant one day snapping and either killing his family or joining a monestary.

>>11829434
Everything with Mitia from when he wants to sell his land until the party with Grushenka and the other 4 guys. Intense as fuck my f a m

>>11829193
Read it and form your own opinion faggot
but to answer your question, yes, it is

>>11829634
>>11829720
>>11830455
All of these are valid
>>11829202
>>11829436
I'm sorry that you can't analyze. I presume you both comprehended the text, but analysis takes more effort than a quick read-through, and to synthesize the text you must first have analyzed it.
If you haven't synthesized a work you shouldn't be a part of the discussion--this is true for all texts.

>>11830633

>I'm sorry that you can't analyze. I presume you both comprehended the text, but analysis takes more effort than a quick read-through, and to synthesize the text you must first have analyzed it.
If you haven't synthesized a work you shouldn't be a part of the discussion--this is true for all texts.

So it's true... academics really don't understand art and literature.

Can anyone recommend books based on this realization?

>>11829193
I read it, finished, and sincerely I found it wildly overrated. It's a novel that has been published in episodes, and hou can tell that. It fucks around a lot. And I felt like the characters contantly put out booze talk logorrhea, but that must be the russian style I guess.

>>11830447
I actually think the most underrated part is when Mitya is first questioned by the police.

>>11831111
checked

>>11831093
Well I'd say that BK is a very well structured book with little filler. Everything adds up thematically and on a plot-level it's very well thought out.

I can see how some people might think the court scenes near the end drawn out but I loved those.

>>11830754
Bloom's Taxonomy is similar in concept, just realize that the taxonomy attempted to classify too much and parts of it are discredited today.

>>11829193
No, it's better.

>>11829193
Yes, it honestly changed my life, especially at a point where I was struggling quite a bit. It renewed my faith in Orthodoxy.
t. slav

>>11829434
Since the epilogue is cheating, the first time Kolia and Alyosha meet
Alyosha, he is so beautiful

>>11830403
>A paragraph I love and never see mentioned is when Ivan describes a painting. With the peasant on it unthinkingly staring into nothing. And Ivan says the moments will accumulate and ultimately end in the peasant one day snapping and either killing his family or joining a monestary.
I don't remember this, when did it happen?

>>11829193
No, Dostoevsky is only resurging in popularity because of Jordan Peterson dick riders who think that beliving in religious values somehow makes them smart, despite their entirely vauge incoherent dissonant world view. Ask any of them if they believe in god and they literally can't form a coherent response, they just circle around the question by asking meaningless shit like "well what do you mean by god?"

>>11832315
>no one could POSSIBLY have heard of and read this world renowned author before a literally who youtube intellectual mentioned him
Underage pseuds GET OUT

>>11832336
Everyone knew of him, literally the only reason so many millennial men give a shit about him though is because of Jordan Peterson.

>>11832346
What an utterly stupid thing to say. Get some perspective.

>>11832388
>Get some perspective.
You mine as well just come out and say "clean your room XD". You are utterly transparent

>>11832388
Nah, you're out of touch. You honestly think Dostoyevsky is still being taught in high schools or even in most college lit classes? The only books public education wants you to read now is political trash and race baiting garbage. The vast majority of millenials and gen z only vaugely know who Dostoyevsky is and 90% of them will tell you they have never read anything by him and 5% will tell you that they read part of C&P but got bored. 4% are Peterson fuck boys and maybe 1% actually like Dostoyevsky despite JP

>>11829193
Haven't finished it yet, but so far it's living up to the hype imo.

>>11829434
So far my favorite parts are anything with Alyosha and Father Zossima's life story.

>>11832432
>and maybe 1% actually like Dostoyevsky despite JP
>tfw slav and part of that 1%
I don't think it's a bad thing anglos are reading him though. Ultimately his orthodox/slavophile philosophy can't work for them but much of his themes go beyond this and are rather universal, especially for the modern man. If they move past their JP phase and read him in earnest, there's no reason to denigrate them for doing so.

>>11829434
I also liked the little story about the woman being taken out of hell with her little onion. I heard that story as a kid but had no idea Dostoevsky wrote it until I read this book.

>>11832432
>90% of them will tell you they have never read anything by him
Of course that's true, 90% of people don't read. Neither do Peterson fuckboys either, they just regurgitate what he says about anything, they do the same with Nietzsche.

since we are talking about brothers karamazov, i decided to start reading crime and punishment (never read any of his books before), and i'm wondering, are all of his books in the same negative light? this sounds like a retarded question given his background, and i somehow get the impression that most russians in the 1800's probably reflect a lot of his characters anyway, but as a westerner who has lived a comfy life, it's unreasonable the extent of how terrible everyone is.
however, this isn't a problem if there's at least one character that opposes it all, in my opinion.

>>11832510
If you want comfy stuffs, read Tolstoy.
It sounds like most if not all of them were upper class. Or they occasionally saw a beggar, observed him in their comfort, and read about beggar and voila they developed an understand of the lower class!

>>11832510
>it's unreasonable the extent of how terrible everyone is.
Dostoevsky would see most of us as quite terrible today, especially westerners. He absolutely dreaded most of the liberalism and nihilism that followed it that he saw developing in his country. Of course he hyperbolizes some of his characters to make a point but it's not that far from the truth. He met and lived with people from all walks of life if you read his biography. His books aren't meant to be "comfy"; in fact he intends for quite the opposite effect in much of his writing.

>>11832432
Like I said in a previous response, yes, Dostoevsky is covered very often in the History department at least. Plus, most people hear about Raskolnikov/Crime & Punishment early on, as well as other things(War and Peace BBC show, Anna Karenina movie, etc) influencing a resurgence of Russian literature

>>11832666
Oh and I started a book club this year and we read Crime & Punishment, and quite a few members(who took IB courses) said "I read this in high school but I'll read it again"

>>11832597
what were his main viewpoints? I don't know russian history

>>11832681
>who took IB courses
I wish, in my school's program we just read Kate Chopin and a bunch of kill whitey books

>>11832468
>Americans are anglo

>>11832199
Wheb Ivan and Alyosha sit together before the grand Inquisitor.

>>11829193
we willl never get the sequel

>>11829434
An Onion is the patrician choice.
Alyosha is one of the best characters ever written but honestly Ivan's breakdown towards the end always makes him a favorite of mine

>>11829193
wrong cover bucko

>>11832432
well im not involved in alt right currents at all because im iranian but ive heard of dostoevsky... who hasn't? Most educated people know who he is

>>11834979
is this real

>>11834979
WHY IS THIS REAL!!!