/lit/ - Literature

>>11831688
>... bad porn...

THAT IS A PLEONASM —ALL PORNOGRAPHY IS BAD; STOP WATCHING PORNOGRAPHY, STOP MASTURBATING; STOP DISSIPATING YOUR SPIRIT, AND EXHAUSTING YOUR SOUL.

>>11831701
That's not what he said. Are you ESL or something

>>11831706

1. HE DID NOT SAY ANYTHING; HE TYPED, AND POSTED, SOMETHING.

2. YOUR POST IS NONSENSICAL; THE PART OF HIS POST THAT I QUOTED WAS EVIDENTLY POSTED HIM; THE REST OF MY POST CONSTITUTES MY REPLY.

IMPROVE YOUR "READING COMPREHENSION".

>>11831723
>... THE PART OF HIS POST THAT I QUOTED WAS EVIDENTLY POSTED [BY] HIM...

please help friends

>>11831688
books to read when you figure out you have a p healthy outlook on sex and that your porn / masturbation habits aren't really destroying your life or anything like that?
pic related.

>>11831742
>>11831688
Bible
and lurk the archives for celibate-bro's posts. Always well written and well thought out.

>>11831723
You have a mental health problem, go do something about It. For your own good.

>>11831701
>spooky mod
>>11831706
They larp as god-fathers psychically inflating and mystifying themselves to transmute a primitive or natural vision to an abstract image collective so you won't see and he won't acknowledge his hidden disintegrating personality. l'etat c'est moi :)

Pornography: Men Possessing Women by Andrea Dworkin. Before reading it I thought of pornography as essentially a free speech issue; afterwards, I saw that it was a crime – and by no means a victimless one.

>>11831748
this guy has some great fucking art

>>11831688
Unironically Infinite Jest. A big theme is addiction and you can easily see how porn addiction can be described in the same way as drugs etc.

bump

>>11831780
None of this acknowledges the random girls who post amateur videos of themselves. There is probably more of that than actual professional porn.

bump

>>11831701
How is it possible to have such horrible reading comprehension lol

>>11831723
>1. HE DID NOT SAY ANYTHING; HE TYPED, AND POSTED, SOMETHING.

>>11831984
And why do you think they do that, hm?

>>11831723

He meant "how badly all pornography has fucked you up", not "how pornography which happens to be bad has fucked you up".

To answer OP's question:
>The Bible

>>11831701
You are correct, but OP did not mean it like this.

"How bad" is a truncated "How badly" and it petains to the act of him fucking up (slang for making a mistake), not whether the porn itself was good/bad.

>>11831750
I saved some of the threads that were deleted for my own notes, I'll copy and paste some of my posts in them tomorrow if you want.

>>11831701
>>11831723
big fan of your work
keep up the quality content. this board is too shit these to appreciate what you're doing for them

>>11831688
https://sites.google.com/site/hackbookeasypeasy/home
Summon the Chaste poster as well. Read some of his best posts:
>>/lit/thread/S11678985#p11680210

>>11831701

Why does each of your tripcodes have a different personality?

What a bizarre thread this is...

>>11831701
>>11831723
absolutely in awe at the IQ of this lad.

>>11831688
St Augustine

>>11831701
based rageposter

>>11831723
quite simply, based

>>11833380
I came to see what this reply could be about and I can confirm the IQ of this lad will make you shiver.

>>11831688
>>11831701
This guy's half right; you just need to find the good stuff.

>>11831780
I'm going to read this and finally drop that porn. 2D is the way to go.

>>11831688
This quote always gets me.

“If you know that all visible things are a shadow and all pass away, are you not ashamed of playing with shadows and hoarding transitory things? Like a child you draw water with a bucket full of holes; do you not realize it and take it into account, my dear friend? As though there were nothing more serious than appearance and illusion, as though reality has been taken from them?”

+ St. Symeon the New Theologian

>>11831780
>porn is bad because it gives men power over women
no, that's a good thing.
porn is bad because it's a misuse of man's faculties and time and submits him to his base instincts, instead of him dominating himself.

porn is worse than heroin

tfw never been into hardcore, only solo. Told myself it was ok and uncucked if it's just a solo girl but now im realising how bad it still is for me.

>>11831701
>>11831723
>>11831734
>tripfagging for attention
get a life bro

>>11834061
It is worse than opiates. Worse than smoking.

Tangentially related.
Here is a study showing "that sexual demand might be more robust than drug demand" in ex meth heads.
Ignore the discussions which presuppose this as somehow being desirable, and views libido as some sort of inexplicable force. Popular but unsound and incorrect assumptions. Truth is, it is subject to reinforcement and habituation much like drug use.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29725310/

>>11831701
Weren’t you on /fa/ for a while? Did you get banned?

>>11831780
A picture of Andrea Dworking will help you to make it through nofap.

>>11833963
this

>>11831829
this aswell

>>11834115
Elaborate on why solo is bad pls

>>11834061
>>11834272
What is the difference between porn and art? Is all porn bad, is all art bad? If we abstain from all porn, should we abstain from all art as well? If not, what porn is good and what art is good? Can't they both serve the same function — to incite feelings of longing for beauty?

>>11835188

>>11835219
Porn can have an ennobling effect as well. But when it does, is it still porn, or is it art then? Where is the line drawn?

>>11831780
>Reading Dworkin
Why would you hurt that anon such. It's like offering some hungry guy shitcakes made from pig feces.

>>11835243
intention

How do I stop bros?

>>11835305
work out really hard before you go to sleep, that helped me

>>11835305
>Heavy physical exercise, not some shitty corporate running/yoga. Hit the gym or some martial sport.
>Cold showers help tremendously as willpower booster
>Spend as little time on the internet as possible
>Cut caffeine (seriously here, it really helps)
>Do not act like there are no sexual thoughts, just gently drive them away when they come
>Try to get hobbies, things that will get you occupied
>Try to stay away from nsfw boards.

>>11835243

don't delude yourself

>>11835305
join a monestary

>>11835305
fuck people instead of masturbating

>>11836732
All sexual losses are harmful and make you a slave to pleasure. You will throw your dreams out the window to satisfy orgasm. Freedom only comes with total celibacy. Both physical and of the mind.

>>11831750
>>11833145
Copying and pasting some content from deleted threads. Posts are merged and some original quotes have been omitted.

>start

Masturbation has physiological consequences that occur whether you are addicted or not.

The fact is that the sex act (masturbation included), from arousal to ejaculation to habituation has chilling physiological repercussions.
Endocrinology and neuroscience show that shy of drugs, no other action affects the body so much, so suddenly--- hormones, neurotransmitters, are all profoundly affected. Upon arousal, dopamine is released, not only in the capacity of motivating you, as would be the impetus for wanting to grab that needle of heroin, but you are biologically rewarded just for the mere image of arousal!
Then sexual stimulation occurs, and opioid facilitated reward begins, as even more dopamine is released.
Finally, it culminates in orgasm. The final reward is there. Endogenous opioid peptides suddenly flood the brain, the love hormone oxytocin for bonding is released which also signals the conversion of T to DHT, 5-HT increases, and the anti-dopamine hormone prolactin rises sharply, gonadotropin inhibitory hormone is released, and that is just scratching the surface.
With endless variety, this act is able to be repeated beyond what would ever be encountered in nature and it takes a severe toll.
Your strongest motivation pathways become your sexual ones! The limited resources of the brain and body are squandered.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4896089/#S6title

>Humans are sexual beings
Humanity's current state of hypersexuality is the result of constant bombardment of sexual stimuli and perpetual reinforcement of the sexual urge from puberty onward whilst living a near totally sedentary lifestyle.
Moreover, these stimuli always provoke novelty, and introduces an unlimited number of what your body believes healthy candidates for procreation, overriding the frequency that would otherwise be rate limited within mongamy (IE Coolidge Effect)
Were it not for these artificial super-stimuli, life of ease, and constant endless variety, the sex act would tire very quickly.

>>11836799
On Libido

[...]especially in the pornography era where the largest driver compelling sexual behavior is habituation and reinforcement vis-à-vis delta FosB induction. The more you do it, the greater the urge. My sexual release frequency, when unrestrained, only increased as I aged. I might have done it once a week when I was 15. Twice a day nearing the mid 20s.
I never had uncontrollable erections in public in my teenage years. I only started getting them 10 years later after a decade of pornography consumption that gave me hypofrontality and made me sex obsessed that I couldn't avoid arousal. There are neurological consequences to be aroused and major neurological and endocrinal consequences to the sex act and release.

[...]

Most people can report increasing frequency and urges of masturbation as they aged into to their 20s because of the mechanism described. The increasing frequency disproves that sexual behavior is purely the result of hormonal factors, otherwise frequency would be highest in teenage years. ΔFosB induction and habituation are the strongest determinants of sexual frequency. It perfectly explains why sexual frequency would increase.

>>11836799
>1. How do you respond to evocative stimuli as can be found in a) the real world b) the internet at large c) /lit/ itself (which is filled with jezebel-posting)? This is not a rhetorical, tongue-in-cheek question, I'm asking sincerely. Unless you've committed yourself to a hermitic life (which by the fact that you're posting here you obviously haven't) you must have had to develop some mechanism by which you resist the "ping" of fleshly allure that sets the whole desire system aflame.

a) Avert my eyes whenever I see sexually evocative dress or regions. Look away entirely. It's not a white-elephant sort of deal--- I know the cost exceeds the benefit.
b) I browse with a purpose in mind usually to prevent idly just stumbling across whatever website. My use of the internet is largely limited to academic journals and books.
Ad Blockers help immensely. I have uBlock enabled at all times and let's say there is some sort of thumbnail that has the potential to be arousing in Youtube, I right click it, and ad block the individual image.
c) I use filter 4chan.org/* and seldom click the filenames (which redirect to the full image still). It sort of defeats the whole point of an "image board" but I don't care.

>2. If you've seen such a boost of productivity from abstinence, why do you still browse 4chan? Or is it (as I suspect and hope) you only post here on occasion to forward the arguments you've made in this thread (and others)
Mostly the latter. It's an interesting place to post these ideas with anonymity. However, I've been bored lately due to a vehicle accident and have had more free time than I want on my hands.


>5. Within what time frame did you start seeing your claimed benefits? Or to put it another way, suppose I began abstinence from this moment on--not for a limited period of time as the no-fap community advocates, but permanently. No sex, no masturbation, no porn, no arousing images (though question 1 becomes relevant again) etc. How long till I see these benefits you claim?
I notice benefits after 48 hours of abstinence which I attribute to lower PRL, the most immediate being increased motivation. The clearer and more creative mind where sexual associations (not urges) cease being invoked takes about three weeks. Habit pathways weaken after about 28 days and continue to the longer the abstinence.

>>11836799
It's not a mutually exclusive choice of either [live like a degenerate confined by your sexual whims your entire life and have children] OR [celibate and productive; die childless]. Pythagoras advocated, and indeed practiced, that chastity should only be broken for the sake of procreation. In fact, technology today enables the drawing of viable sperm via biopsy of the testes. A man may live out the rest of his days in total continence if he so needed to. Without the power of abstinence, there would have been no Isaac Newton, no Nikola Tesla. Abstinence unlocks the advanced faculties of our minds. Oppositely, activation of the sexual processes inhibits neurotransmission in the cortex of the frontal lobes so as to further procreation, so that they are diametrically opposed. This is why all priests and philosophers of ancient times demonized sex; they knew it drew us toward mediocrity, and hence likened it to animal behavior.

[...]
I hold the old hypotheses regarding the detriments of the sex act to be true but their proposed mechanisms to be crude. They again deserve to be taken seriously with modern medical insights on neuro-endocrinal processes which reveal satisfactory explanations for why sex incurs a penalty.

>>11836799
>Pythagoras, Philosopher and Mathematician: “According to Pythagorus (6th century BCE) sex should be practiced in the winter, but not the summer, but was harmful to male health in every season because the loss of semen was dangerous, hard to control and both physically and spiritually exhausting…” “Pythagoras himself established a small community that set a premium on study, vegetarianism, and sexual restraint or abstinence. Later philosophers believed that celibacy would be conducive to the detachment and equilibrium required by the philosopher’s calling…” – Source: Uta Ranke.Heinman (1988).

>Galen, 2nd century Greek medical writer: “It is not at all surprising that those who are less moderate sexually turn out to be weaker, since the whole body loses the purest part of both substances, and there is besides an accession of pleasure, which by itself is enough to dissolve the vital tone, so that before now some persons have died from excess of pleasure.” – From his work “On Semen”.

>Sigmund Freud Psychologist, founder of Psychoanalysis: “Freud held the opinion (based on personal experience and observation) that sexual activity was incompatible with the accomplishing of any great work. Since he felt that the great work of creating and establishing psychotherapy was his destiny, he told his wife that they could no longer engage in sexual relations. Indeed from about the age of forty until his death Freud was absolutely celibate “in order to sublimate the libido for creative purposes.” – according to his biographer Ernest Jones.

>Georg Hackenschmidt, 20th century strongman, wrestler and philosopher: “Moderation in sexual intercourse is very important. Sexual abstemiousness should be strictly observed during the early age of manhood and development. He who observes this recommendation will soon benefit by the immense prerogatives of chastity. A few years ago a colleague of mine said to me: “Nonsense, that is only human nature.” This “clever” man, however reached only a secondary position as a strong man, and now, at the age of thirty, he is actually degenerating as an athlete.” – From his book; “The Way To Live”

>>11831701
Remember everyone: the option to filter by tripcode is an available option on 4chan.

Clement of Alexandria
"Because of its divine institution for the propagation of man, the seed is not to be vainly ejaculated, nor is it to be damaged, nor is it to be wasted" (The Instructor of Children 2:10:91:2 [A.D. 191]).

Clement of Alexandria
"To have coitus other than to procreate children is to do injury to nature" (ibid. 2:10:95:3).

Lactantius
"God gave us eyes not to see and desire pleasure, but to see acts to be performed for the needs of life; so too, the genital ['generating'] part of the body, as the name itself teaches, has been received by us for no other purpose than the generation of offspring" (ibid. 6:23:18).

Epiphanius of Salamis
"They [certain Egyptian heretics] exercise genital acts, yet prevent the conceiving of children. Not in order to produce offspring, but to satisfy lust, are they eager for corruption" (Medicine Chest Against Heresies 26:5:2 [A.D. 375]).

>>11835219
Nixon was based and extremely well read.
Our guy.

>>11835243
>Porn can have an ennobling effect as well.

>>11836799

"Getting a girlfriend" is code-word for recreational sex divorced from any other purpose.

All seminal losses are harmful and routine sexual activity puts a toll on creativity and motivation. Doing nofap to get a girlfriend is self-defeating and will provoke prolonged arousal instead of productivity during abstinence, which defeats the entire point.
You should be focused on reading and writing, edifying and bettering yourself so as to accomplish grand dreams and ambitions. Not getting your biological high.
If you have habitual release, and replace only after a month or two of abstinence with a woman, she will only serve to again reinforce the daily if not more frequent releases previously suffered. You need a solid year off any sexual activity if you want to be free of a previously created habit urge to indulge daily if not more often. You are still going to be conjuring fantasies, to sustain this frequency and reinforce the habit.

If you want to have a family and raise children one day, then mate selection should be done like this [post no longer exists] You'll live an alright life, but I maintain, the greater the ambition, the greater the the chasteness one should practice.

>Brain structure and functional connectivity associated with pornography consumption: the brain on porn.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24871202

Shows a loss of gray matter in the right caudate of the striatum from pornography indulgence.

>Pornographic picture processing interferes with working memory performance.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23167900

Sexual arouses induces a temporary state of hypofrontality that decreases working memory and executive function skills.

>>11836968
We need to go back.

>>11836799
thanks for posting im struggling

Y'all are so pathetic

>>11836968
What are some good books that will help me to improve my enkrateia through paideia to the level of a patrician Male of Rome?

>>11831780
yeah but why?

>>11838055
In denial, the post.

>>11831780
Porn actually takes power away from men. Have you ever looked through your average webcam site? Literally endless pages of young girls making mad money perforating themselves with dildos.

>>11838055
t. slave

>>11836897
>he doesn't feel ennobled when he watches two beautiful people have intercourse in a way that he personally admires

>>11838088
it doesnt take shit if you are the one jerking off and not paying a cent you fucking idiot

>>11838176
Wrong. It isn't a biological free lunch. It costs time, energy, motivational capacity, and in the long run, agency over your very life. This one act if repeated soon becomes a terrible habit, which leaves you hypersexualized and a fraction of the person you could have been.
Read the fucking thread.

Erotic literature/erotica can’t be that bad for you, right? I’m going to switch to that and ditch porn videos.

If anyone has any suggestions for sites, I’m all ears.

>>11838191
It's even worse because it associates linguistic interpretation with aroussal. Much like watching too much pornography makes non-sexual thumbnails appear pornographic, erotica defiles the very words you read. Arousal during reading will be an incessant interruption.

All sexual fantasy is terrible for your mind. Remember, we are what we repeatedly do.

Switch to static images and alter your mind so you do not dwell on sexual matters. Walk. Develop a routine. Abstain entirely for a week duration in the beginning. Never ever watch videos or read erotica. They are total poison for the mind.

>>11838220
>All sexual fantasy is terrible for your mind.
Next stop: neurosis!

>>11838191
Wrong. Read >>11835219

>>11838188
no

its not my fault you cant separate short term hedonistic pleasure with real life

seek help and get on meds fucking retard

>>11838220
>>11838231
serious, non “redpilled” replies only please

>>11838246
it's true, dummy.
even your own fantasizing is bad. no, the world won't end, you'll just be a lesser man than you could have been.

>>11838232
>projection, the post

>>11838246
Try asking on www.reddit.com

Thanks for the thread anon.
Seriously. Another weapon for my faith.

>>11838277
>>11838284
you think fapping is a modern phenomenon you fucking dumbasses? I’m just trying to use as healthy materials as possible to make me nut. A shitty imagination can only take you so far. Nofap is a meme

>>11838305
Even monkeys Jack off. Are you a monkey anon, or are you a higher creature?

>>11838308
Not that anon, but you think like someone from a few hundred years ago.

>>11838191
also I would prefer fairly vanilla but well written erotic literature. Relatively short stories too because I don’t want to spend my whole day wanking it to a 39 part story

>>11838305
>you think fapping is a modern phenomenon...?

The time of practice of a certain activity has no bearing on its ethical/moral value. Just because something has been done for a long time doesn't make that thing good, and the fact that something hasn't been done for a long time doesn't make that thing bad.

You're an idiot.

>>11838315
Is that an insult?
Gee, I hope I'm not dumb as some one from a long time ago like Plato!

>>11838305
You are seething. Your post is no different than a child throwing a tantrum after being told he can't have another cookie.

>you think fapping is a modern phenomenon you fucking dumbasses?

Habitual masturbation is. The presence of unlimited novel stimuli at the click of a mouse leads to abnormally high frequencies which soon become habituated. See earlier posts for the mechanism.

>I’m just trying to use as healthy materials as possible to make me nut. A shitty imagination can only take you so far.
Exactly my point.

>>11838337
That's not an insult. That means you're behind the times. You are right, but only for people who aren't fully civilized today.

>>11838345
The argument makes sense even today's time.
It doesn't use a secular perspective, but I'm not secular.

>>11838351
It makes sense... but only for people who aren't fully civilized today.

>I'm not secular.
Most likely the reason why you're behind the times.

>>11838315
>>11838345
A few hundred years ago, masturbation was regarded as an unhealthy act condemned socially, morally and medically.

>>11833962
Nice post.

>>11838358
Yeah?

>>11838354
I'm not secular.
>Most likely the reason why you're behind the times.
God is a timeless part of our culture.
>It makes sense...
>but only for people who aren't fully civilized today.
>only
Is this hyperbole? I don't understand your reaction, nor your point.

>>11838389
>God is a timeless part of our culture.
Your culture.

>I don't understand your reaction, nor your point.
My point is that you're outdated. That's it. You shouldn't want to be outdated.

>>11838372
Thought you quoted another poster, my bad (the guy he replied to).

>>11838399
>Your culture.
No, the idea of God is throughout culture. This isn't even possible to deny. Object it if you might, but you'd be wrong.

>My point is that you're outdated. That's it. You shouldn't want to be outdated.
What makes it out dated?
You obviously understood it's meaning, and it's underlying provocation.

>>11838408
>What makes it out dated?
God is still at the center of it all. That's precisely what makes it outdated. Science and philosophy gave up on attributing things to God quite some time ago because it hindered progress.

>>11838417
>God is still at the center of it all. That's precisely what makes it outdated.
What? How does this make it outdated?

>Science and philosophy gave up on attributing things to God quite some time ago because it hindered progress.
This is quite wrong.

>>11831701
Fix your goddam bot, faggot

>>11838430
>How does this make it outdated?
Consider reading Nietzsche. He didn't declare that God is dead for nothing. He was referring to a cultural paradigm shift, emerging from the latest developments in the sciences at the time. And since then we have only gotten further from God with relativity.

>This is quite wrong.
You are quite unread on recent developments.

>>11838444
>Consider reading Nietzsche. He didn't declare that God is dead for nothing.
He declared God was dead in the coming post modern man. Not that he is literally dead.
>. And since then we have only gotten further from God with relativity.
I can't take you serious.
> with relativity.

>You are quite unread on recent developments.
Nothing's been developed anon. How can you develop upon secular understanding of God when it denies there is anything to be developed upon?

Anon, you're out of your water here.

>>11838459
>He declared God was dead in the coming post modern man. Not that he is literally dead.
>literally dead.
Well, I'm done here. You're a little too far behind for me to be interested in guiding you. But you should consider furthering your reading of Nietzsche if you want to get what I'm saying.

>>11838475
>Well, I'm done here. You're a little too far behind for me to be interested in guiding you.
You can't guide me anon, you're a secular person who has no idea about the profane, and you lack the sight to pierce into the absurd.

>Well, I'm done here. You're a little too far behind for me to be interested in guiding you.
I already proved to any on looker I have more understanding of Nietzsche than you do.

>>11838444
>>11838475
relativity =/= relativism
brainlet

Pardon my brainlecy but why is masturbation bad and not sex? Is it the porn that goes along with the former? Because apart from that they are essentially the same thing, ejaculation.

>>11838494
Read the thread. All sexual losses are harmful.

>>11831780
>adults can't consent to situations where there is an imbalance of power
By reading a book, doesn't the author have more power than the reader because it is like a one way conversation? Is Andrea Dworkin basically a mass rapist?

>>11838499
So sex for procreation is the only way ?

>>11834061
damn, I guess I can take up heroin then

>>11838509
Yes. That's why Pythagoras advocated.

>>11835305
accept the fact that you will forever be a product of your environment during your formative years and that, because of this, you are now a lost hope

>>11838522
so the Bible was true about that?

>>11838522
Pythagoras was a creepy autist though

>>11838490
I meant relativity. I was talking about science.

>>11838483
Unless you're speaking of will to power and providing an equivalent description of the world as he did in his notes, you don't understand Nietzsche.

>>11838517
edgy

>>11836752
based

>>11838577
Did you see what I wrote are you implying the other anon understood Neitzches 'God is Dead' better than I?

>>11838646
shut the fuck up

>>11838656
Get the fuck off /lit/ you pseud

>>11838646
I'm that anon. You were off base with that comment and also interpreted what I said poorly which is why I said I was done. Now, stop acting like God i.e. as if you know everything. Further your reading.

>>11838305
>>11838315
>>11838345
>>11838351
>>11838399
>>11838417
Morality is never outdated or ahead of it's time. Wrong is always wrong. Slavery wasn't right just because it was in style, and sexual immorality isn't healthy because no one is stopping you.

>>11838666
t. mutt

>>11838672
No one is equal. If wrong was always wrong, we'd all have to be equal.

>>11838669
How? God is dead in the current state of man - Neitzches saw what the result of this would be, the continuation of the degradation of society and the soul of man.

>>11838686
equality is an abstract term about an intensive thing and holds no real meaning whatsoever

>>11838686
explain what the fuck equality has to do with >>11838672

>>11831688
>>11831748
>>11831750
>>11831780
>>11833145
>>11833382
Replies:135+
Answers: 5

>>11838696
Which is why no one is equal. Equality as a concept doesn't hold up to reality.

>>11838699
I explained it in that post, dude. Equality of all is a prerequisite for the statement "wrong is always wrong." Morality isn't strictly objective, it's subject-object oriented.

>>11838723
morality is strictly objective
judgement based on morality is interpretive but has no impact on morality

>>11838728
Nothing is strictly objective, man. Subject and object meet in a reciprocal relationship. You dudes seriously need to read some philosophy beyond the 18th century.

>>11838736
Math is strictly objective, man.
Your post modernism is showing.
Do you know what Laws are? The laws of Man, IE Morality, are completely objective.
Math - the Governance of numbers is Law and is fundamentally objective.

>>11838742
Math isn't objective, it's simply the extent of ourselves.

>>11838751
Pseud

>>11838775
Nice non-argument.

>>11831701

>>11838785
Your claim is irrelevant, because the self is an objective phenomenon, exterior and interior.

>>11838797
Yours is equally as irrelevant to someone whose joy requires inequality in things. Let's just agree that we are two opposite modes of spirit and call it a day.

>>11838808
I do not believe in equality among all things. That is why I believe in objectivity

>>11838278
Metaprojection the remix

>>11838721
Discussion: Priceless
for everything else, there's r/books :^)

>Balzac, a chronic masturbator
part of the world lit canon
>chaste poster, the bullshit peddler
is going to publish under pseudonym because he is afraid his pseudoscientific hogwash will get ridiculed

really makes you a thinken

>>11831688
>good books about male-female romantic/erotic love
-This Side of Paradise
-Stoner
-Jane Eyre (lol)

honestly unlike in poetry and music, love isn’t a very common theme in literature. you can’t write about it very well, because it’s too all-consuming and powerful

>>11838877
You don't make any sense.

>>11831688
>remembering that I was watching solely gangbangs by the age of 14
>remembering the solely 2d animated phase
>remembering the cheese pizza phase
>the 'other' stuff
I've been using the chon for seven years now, all of my developmental years, this place should really be illegal

Augustine. He pulled me out of the mire.

>>11831780
Fuck off Will.

>>11836851
saved

>>11831701
Tripfag go home

Some people find sexual fantasy more obsessing than others. For some it's a problem, for others it isn't.

I'm a sexual being. I don't feel oppressed by it, in fact it seems to enrich my life in certain ways, and that includes sexual fantasy and porn. I don't feel bad about something that doesn't seem to be hurting me.

However, something tells me that the people preaching chastity are the kind of people that really do need to stay away from sex. The way they talk about it makes it seem like some kind of all-consuming, all-obsessing life-destroying beast. While that is not my experience, it may have been their experience. Maybe they are just that much hornier than the average person.

But I think, if that's your experience, just remember that not everyone shares it. You can't take your allergic reaction to porn and assume everyone else is having the same problem. Maybe some are. Just keep in mind the differences between people, okay?

The main argument for celibates seems to be "cumming drains you and saps your will power." Why is this? I feel exactly the same after cumming, perhaps better. Sometimes the afterglow motivates me to try harder in my hobbies.

>>11831780
Jokes on you I unironically only watch furfag 2D porn
Who's the victim here?

>>11840155
They're low in spirit to begin with, so it is vital for them to not drain any of it.

>>11839591
>actually watching CP
fuck you

>>11840155
>>11836799

>>11839591
kill yourself

>>11840176
You are.

>>11831688
Some new wave hippie shit
>>11831701
>soul
>spirit

The bs really comes in cycles
I guess the nofap meme was never really gone

>>11839208
Either/Or

>>11840964
Or they post infrequently because their actually doing stuff.
Semen retention predates nofap by millennia.

>>11833962
Reads like buddhism

>>11838225
>implying sexual fantasy isn't a neurosis
>implying habituated fantasizing doesn't cause other neuroses

>>11841384
Read other theologians and early church fathers from the middle ages. You'd be shocked to see how they all read like Buddhism.

>>11841557
Buddhism and Christianity both are borrowing from Plato

I haven't fapped in two weeks anons. I think I might actually make it.

>>11841981
Godspeed anon. Feels good to be free.

>>11841992
Porn is still a draw though, I find it difficult to stay away.

>>11841466
If mere fantasy is a neurosis, our imaginations would be a detriment to our health and productivity, but they are what drive many people in life for example artists and business entrepreneurs. Developing a fantasy isn't neurosis but repression of an already developed one is. Once you have a fantasy it's healthy to release it in some form.

>>11842115
prove it

>>11842140
>prove it
Are there happy artists? Then it's not fact that having a fantasy and releasing it is unhealthy.

>>11842156
happy doesn't mean healthy

>>11842239
Happiness for an artist isn't necessarily joy, but can be more like a woman who just gave birth and is now at peace and in awe. If that isn't health to you, then pregnancy might as well be a state of unhealthiness to you, in which case it's a good thing not everyone shares your idea of what health is.

>>11842270
Creation is healthy for creators, but you don't create porn.

>>11831780
Dworkin is a cool writer and speaker. Intercourse is a bunch of literary criticism, it's a good ass read even if you aren't full bra burning 60s radfem.
Probably a lot less psycho than a lot of the posters in this thread who are deeply conflicted over busting a nut idk

>>11842279
We were talking about sexual fantasy, not porn. Dreams are both created by us and created for us. If the dream created for us is bad for us, we'd be afraid to live.

>>11831688
porn is not that bad. you want to know what's bad? it's bloody depraved sadists/serial killers

go on now read David Parker Ray, aka Toy Box Killer full transcript:
.. link: http://thinkingaboutphilosophy.blogspot.com/2012/10/david-parker-rays-audio-tape-transcript.html

I had read the whole things and I thought it was pretty literary desu. David Parker Ray in my opinion is smarter in comparison with Ed Kemper, Ted Bundy and Jeffry Dahmer alike.

PART I ---TAPE TRANSCRIPTION: SIDE 1--- (only copied the short extract, go read them at the above link)

>"Hello there, bitch. Are you comfortable right now? I doubt it. Wrists and ankles chained. Gagged. Probably blind folded. You are disoriented and scared, too, I would imagine. Perfectly normal, under the circumstances. For a little while, at least, you need to get your shit together and listen to this tape. It is very relevant to your situation. I’m going to tell you, in detail, why you have been kidnapped, what’s going to happen to you and how long you’ll be here. I don’t know the details of your capture, because this tape is being created July 23rd,1993 as a general advisory tape for future female captives. The information I’m going to give you is based on my experience dealing with captives over a period of several years. If, at a future date, there are any major changes in our procedures, the tape will be upgraded. Now, you are obviously here against your will, totally helpless, don’t know where you’re at, don’t know what’s gonna happen to you. You’re very scared or very pissed off. I’m sure that you’ve already tried to get your wrists and ankles loose, and know you can’t. Now you’re just waiting to see what’s gonna happen next. You probably think you’re gonna be raped and you’re fuckin’ sure right about that. Our primary interest is in what you’ve got between your legs. You’ll be raped thoroughly and repeatedly, in every hole you’ve got. Because, basically, you’ve been snatched and brought here for us to train and use as a sex slave. Sound kind of far out? Well, I suppose it is to the uninitiated, but we do it all the time. It’s gonna take a lot of adjustment on your part, and you’re not gonna like it a fuckin’ bit. But I don’t give a big rat’s ass about that. It’s not like you’re gonna have any choice about the matter. You’ve been taken by force, and you’re going to be kept and used by force. What all this amounts to is that you’re gonna be kept naked and chained up like an animal, to be used and abused any time we want to, any way that we want to. And you might as well start gettin’ used to it, because you’re gonna be kept here and used until such time as we get tired of fuckin’ around with you . And we will, eventually, in a month or two, maybe three. It’s no big deal. My lady friend and I have been keeping sex slaves for years.

>>11842364
>cont
We both have kinky hang-ups involving rape, dungeon games, etc. We’ve found that it is extremely convenient to keep one or two female captives available constantly to, uh, satisfy our particular needs. We are very selective when we snatch a girl to use for these purposes. It goes without saying that you have a fine body and you’re probably young, maybe very young. Because, for our purposes, we prefer to snatch girls in the early to mid teens, sexually developed, but still small bodied, scared shitless, easy to handle and easy to train, and they usually have tight little pussies and assholes. They make perfect slaves. Any time that we go on a hunting trip, if we can’t find a little teenager, we usually start hittin’ the gay bars, look for a well-built, big-titted lesbian. I thoroughly enjoy rapin’ and screwin’ around with lesbians, and there’s not as much danger of them carrying a sexually transmitted disease. And I don’t like usin’ condoms. Also, even though they’re a little older, unless they’ve been playing with dildos a lot, they still have tight holes between their legs, like the younger girls. If we can’t find a lesbian that we want, we snatch anything that is young, clean and well built. We very seldom come back empty handed, cause there’s plenty of bitches out there to choose from. And, with a little practice in deception, most of em’ is very easy to get, with little risk. At this point, it makes little difference what category you fall into. You’re here and we’re gonna make the most of it. You’re going to be kept in a hidden slaveroom. It is relatively sound proof, escape proof, and itis completely stocked with devices and equipment to satisfy our sexual fetishes and deviations. There may or may not be another girl in the room. Occasionally, for variety, we like to keep two slaves at the same time. In either case, as the new girl, you’ll definitely be getting the most attention for a while. Now, as I said earlier, you’re going to be kept like an animal. I guess I been doin’ this too long. I’ve been rapin’ bitches ever since I was old enough to jerk off, and tie little girls’ hands behind their back. As far as I’m concerned, you’re a pretty piece of meat, to be used and exploited. I don’t give a flyin’ fuck about your mind or how you feel about this situation.You may be married, have a kid or two, boyfriend, girlfriend, a job, car payment. Fuck it. I don’t give a rat’s ass about any of that, and I don’t want to hear about it. It’s something you’re gonna have to deal with after you’re turned loose. I make it a point never to like a slave and I fuckin’ sure don’t have any respect for you. Here, your status is no more than that of one of the dogs, or of one of the animals out in the barn. Your only value to us is the fact that you have an attractive, usable body.

>>11842374
>cont
And, like the rest of our animals, you will be fed and watered, kept in good physical condition, kept reasonably clean and allowed to use the toilet when necessary. In return, you’re gonna be used hard, especially during your first few days while you’re new and fresh. You’re gonna be kept chained in a variety of different positions, usually with your legs or knees forced wideapart."

Part 2
"Your pussy and asshole is gonna get a real workout. Especially your asshole, because I’m into animal sex. Also, both of those holes are going to be subjected to a lotta use with some rather large dildos, among other things. And it goes without sayin, that there’s gonna be a lot of oral sex. On numerous occasions, you’re gonna be forced to suck cock and eat pussy until your jaws ache and your tongue is sore. You may not like it, but you’re fuckin’ sure gonna do it. And that’s the easy part. Our fetishes and hang-ups include stringent bondage, dungeon games, a little sadism, nothing serious but uncomfortable and sometimes painful. Just a few little hang-ups that we like to use when we’re gettin’ off on a bitch. Heh, heh. If you’rea young teeny bopper, and ignorant about fetishes and deviations, you’re about to get an enlightening crashcourse in sex. Who knows, you may like some of it. It happens, occasionally. If we wanna take the time and trouble, even under these conditions, most bitches can be brought to orgasm. Now I’ve already told you that you’re gonna be here amonth or two, or maybe three, if you keep us turned on. If it’s up to my lady, we’d keep you indefinitely. She says it’s just as much fun and less risky. But personally, I like variety. A fresh pussy, now and then, to play with. We take four or five different girls each year, depending on our urges and sometimes accidental encounters. Basically, I guess we are like predators. We’re always lookin’. Occasionally, some sweet little thing will be broke down on the side of the road, walkin’, bicyclin’, joggin’. Anytime an opportunity like that presents itself, and it’s not too risky, we’ll grab her. Even if we’ve already got a captive in the playroom. Variety is definitely the spice of life. Now I’m sure that you’re a great little piece of ass and you’re gonna be a lot of fun to play with, but I will get tired of you eventually. If I killed every bitch that we kidnapped, there’d be bodies strung all over the country. And besides, I don’t like killin’ a girl, unless it is absolutely necessary. So I’ve devised a safe, alternate method of disposal. I had plenty of bitches to practice on over the years, so I’ve pretty well got it down pat. And I enjoy doin it. I get off on mind games. After we get completely through with you, you’re gonna be drugged up real heavy, with a combination of Sodium Pentothal and Phenobarbital.

>>11842385
They are both hypnotic drugs that will make you extremely susceptible to hypnosis, autohypnosis and hypnotic suggestion. You’re gonna be kept drugged a couple of days, while I play with your mind. By the time I get through brainwashing you, you’re not gonna remember a fuckin’ thing about this little adventure. You won’t remember this place, us, or what has happened to you. There won’t be any DNA evidence, because you’ll be bathed, and both holes between your legs will be thoroughly flushed out. You’ll be dressed, sedated, and turned loose on some country road, bruised, heh, sore all over, but nothing that won’t heal up in a week or two. The thought of being brainwashed may not be appealing to you, but we been doin’ it a long time and it works. And it’s the lesser of two evils. I’m sure that you would prefer that, in lieu of being strangled or having your throat cut. Okay, undoubtedly, somebody’s gonna be lookin’ for you. There may or may not be a missing persons report. But nobody’s gonna be lookin’ for you here. They don’t have any idea where you’re at. You don’t even know where you’re at. We’re always very careful about that. There are not gonna be any knights in shining armor coming to rescue you. You are strictly on your own and, under the circumstances, I bet that is a scary thought. If there is another girl in the room, she won’t be able to help you either. Because she’s gonna be in the same position you’re in. As for escaping, I’m sure you’ll try to figure out a way. That’s human nature. But it’s not hardly even worth talking about here. It would not be prudent on our part to have you running around in the woods screamin’ rape. It would be an embarrassment, to say the least. Consequently, you are gonna be kept in an environment that is even more secure than a prison cell. If it has not already been done, very shortly a steel collar is going to be padlocked around your neck. It has a long, heavy chain that is padlocked to a ring in the floor. The collar will never be removed, until you are turned loose. It’s a permanent fixture. The hidden playroom, where you’re gonna be kept, has steel walls, floor and ceiling. It is virtually soundproof and has a steel door with two keyed locks. The hinges are welded on and there are two heavy deadbolts on the outside. The room is totally escape proof, even with tools. Anytime that you are left unattended in the room, your wrists will be chained and there are electronic sensors to, uh, let us know if you move around too much. And if that’s not enough, there is a closed-circuit TV system with a surveillance camera. It’s wired to the main TV in the living room so we can check you once in awhile, or just set and watch you for the fun of it.

NoFap improved my life ten fold. I am no longer tired all the time, I feel better both physically and mentally. My brain fog is completely gone and find it much easier to read complex literature. Ive even been finding it easier to talk to women. I've currently got a date planned for friday, something I never would have imagined I could do before NoFap.

>>11842393
Electronics is a wonderful thing. Expensive, but hell, everything in the room is expensive, and damn well worth it. If everybody knew how much fun it was to keep a sex slave, half the women would be chained up in somebody’s basement."

Part 3
"Anyway, we’ve had a lot of practice at this and, uh, we’re not real concerned about you escaping. You’re fuckin’ sure not gonna go anywhere. Now if you’re not already naked, you soon will be. Your clothing will be bagged up and saved until such time as we decide to turn you loose. As far as being naked goes, you might as well get used to it. For what you are gonna be used for, clothing would just be in the way. Besides, I like watching a naked woman’s body, all of it, whether it be in a room or on the TV set. As I’ve already said, you’ll be fed and watered on a regular basis. Not as much of either as you’re used to, I’m sure, but enough to keep you healthy. You’ll only be fed once a day, like the rest of the animals. And during the first few days, until you adjust to it and your stomach shrinks up, you’re going to feel a little weak and you’ll be hungry all the time. It won’t take long, three or four days. And during the first few days, until you adjust to the environment, I prefer to keep you in a weakened condition anyway. Now you already know that you’ve been kidnapped and brought here for us to train and use as a sex slave. I realize that being abducted and being forced into sexual slavery is a hard pill to swallow. Some girls really have a lot of trouble with it and I’m sure that you will, to a certain extent. But face it, you can’t get away, you can’t say no. You’re gonna be naked all the time. You won’t be able to struggle or resist. You’re gonna have to lay there and take it, good or bad, no matter what is being done to you. A scary thought? Yes, but there are no options. Nothing that you can say or do will change the fact that it’s going to happen. Many girls beg and plead. Almost all of ‘em cry a lot, especially during the first three or four days. And some of ‘em scream and threaten. But I have a poster on the wall in the playroom that says it all. If they’re worth takin’, they’re worth keepin’. And I’m going to tell you, just so you know, since you are being kept here against your will, we will never trust anything you say, do or promise. You are a potential threat to us and you will always be treated as such. On numerous occasions, bitches have told me that they’d do anything I wanted ‘em to do, if I’d just take the chains off. I’ve been offered ransom money and I’ve even had girls tell me they liked it. But I like to use the chains, money’s not that important and masochists are rare as hell. Heh, heh, I wonder what your scam’s gonna be.

>>11842400
Not anything that I haven’t heard before, I bet, if you get a chance to talk at all. Well let’s change the subject, a little bit. You already know that, for the most part, you’re gonna be kept in the playroom. But, once in awhile, we like to take a captive into the bedroom, in chains of course. Also, we have a couple of real close friends that we party with once in awhile. They know about our hang-ups and don’t have any problem with fuckin’ a slave. You may be required to service them occasionally. But that’s an easy one, for the most part, just fuckin’ and suckin’. They don’t get into the heavier stuff. However, when we have a party, sometimes I like to put on a little show that you won’t like at all. You’ll be taken into the living room and put on the floor on your hands and knees, naked. Your wrists, ankles, knees and hips will be strapped to a metal frame to hold your body in that position. The frame is designed for doggie fuckin’, your ass up in the air, sex organs exposed, your tits hangin’ down on each side of a metal support bar, knees spread about twelve inches, position similar to that of a bitch dog in heat, right in the middle of the floor so we can set on the couch and in chairs, and watch. I’m going to rub canine breeder’s musk on your back, the back of your neck, and on your sex organs. Now I have three dogs. All of ‘em’s male, cause I don’t need any fuckin’ pups. One of ‘em is a very large German shepherd that is always horny, and he loves it when I bring him in the house to fuck a woman. After I let him in the house, he’ll sniff around you a little bit and, within a minute, he’ll be mounting you. There’s about a 50–50 chance which hole he’ll get his penis into, but it doesn’t seem to bother him whether it’s the pussy or the asshole. His penis is pretty thin. It goes in easy, but it’s about ten inches long and when he gets completely excited, it gets a hell of a knot right in the middle of it. Now I’ve had slaves tell me that it feels like they got a baseball inside of ‘em. It doesn’t take long. He’s gonna hump you real fast for about three or four minutes. And while he’s doin’ it, he’ll wrap his front legs around your chest to hold himself in position. And, in the process, he’ll probably scratch your tits up a little bit, with his claws. After he gets through, he usually turns around and tries to pull out. Oh, he’ll jerk a little, not much, mostly just steady pressure. And I’ve timed it. The knot will usually shrink up enough to come outta your pussy in about three minutes. If he’s in your asshole, about five minutes. I don’t use the dog all that often, but I don’t deprive him of pussy either.

>>11839591
And a frogposter to boot

>>11831688
I'm sympathetic to your position but still don't see a really good reason to stop watching porn. Why should I?
>>11832719
The same reason anyone does any job?

>>11842404
There’s no doubt that he’s going to be on you a few times while you’re here, because I like watching it. And any time it’s just you, me and the dog, it will always be in your butt. The dog knot on his penis is big and extremely uncomfortable when he’s, uh, pushing it back and forth way up in her anus. I really enjoy watching a girl wiggle, jerk and squirm around while he’s doing it. Consequently, I give him a little, uh, assistance getting it in the right hole. Now if you think all of this stuff is sick and depraved, you haven’t seen anything yet. This is a different world. Among our small circle of friends, little things like rape, kidnapping, doggie fucking, stuff like that, are every-day occurrences. Matter of course. Here, anything can happen and often does. We like livin’ in the mountains, because it’s quiet, secluded, private and everybody minds their own business. The only close house belongs to our friends and they don’t hear or see anything. Okay, let’s talk about, uh, your training, the rules and punishment. Here, you are a slave and discipline is extremely strict. You’re gonna be given a set of rules, things you can and cannot do, and you will learn to comply because each time you violate a rule, you will be punished. As soon as each rule is told to you, it will become law as far as you’re concerned. And you know what’s gonna happen every time you fuck up. We’ll use a couple of methods of punishment. A whip is an excellent training aid, so is an electro shock machine. Any time you get out of line, one or both will be used on your body and I assure you, it will not be pleasant. There is not many rules and they’re very easy to remember. But you’re gonna make mistakes. Every slave does. I don’t like repeat offenders. It gets me very upset. During the first few hours, the first time you violate a certain rule [tape recording skips here] a teaching process. The second time you violate the same rule, you’ll be lightly punished. And the third time you violate it, it’s gonna be full punishment. After the first day, we won’t cut you any slack at all. We will expect total obedience. Now let’s start this off right. You are a slave. You don’t realize it yet, but you will eventually. I’m your master and the lady is your mistress. You will be totally docile. You’ll be very quiet and you’ll speak only when spoken to. Never initiate conversation. Keep your mouth shut. Any time that you are spoken to, you will be required to respond and it will be with proper speech. Remember that we are in the dungeon game and as long as you are here, it’s the only game in town. Any time that you are asked a question where a yes or no answer is required, you will respond by saying, “yes, master; no,mistress; no, master; etcetera.” You will show proper respect. Having to use the word master or mistress may sound funny, petty or vain to you, but that’s all right.

>>11842410
>http://thinkingaboutphilosophy.blogspot.com/2012/10/david-parker-rays-audio-tape-transcript.html

>>11838341
not him, but you seem extremely rustled. the name calling and condescension is a giveaway

>>11833962
Weak outlook. I am transitory, and everything in the world is transitory. Transitory things are not shadows, they are real. You hate the world because you are too currently too weak to accept anxiety of becoming, and so like Plato and Christians, you invent a fantasy of world of "true beings" - "god" and your "immortal soul" which is in fact a retreat into nothingness since neither you never come into contact with either, since they do not exist.

>>11834061
only if you want it to be

If Christians had their way, the arts would be damaged for it. Representation of the carnal is necessary for higher drama.

>>11831688
The kreutzer sonata

>>11842296
sexual fantasy is more like hunger

>>11842610
You think so?

let's see, If I were hungry I would fantasize about eating? or at least think abut where food was.

>>11842659
never grocery shop when you're hungry

>>11842476
Chaste ideals predate Christianity, brainlet.
Sexual faculties are antithetical to higher thought.

>>11842610
If so, doesn't that make it natural, and good to satisfy it regularly and at least moderately?

>>11842673
hunger compelles men to do irrational things

hunger leads men to gluttony not just satisfaction

>>11842610
No it isn't. It's more akin to gorging yourself. You don't derive pleasure from hunger, otherwise people would be starving themselves for fun.
The sexual urge has a cause and effect. Lascivious thoughts and stimuli provoke arousal.

>>11842686
Are you one of those breatharian retards who thinks it's desirable to stop eating?

Just castrate yourselves already jesus christ

>>11842697
you don't derive pleasure from sexual desire, desire comeplls it does not please. No one gets themselves Hard intentionally and repeatedly and then denies themselves sexual release either

>>11842701
Do you really see nothing good about exercising your will?

>>11842667
>Sexual faculties are antithetical to higher thought.
Higher thought comes with deeper cravings and deeper cravings require release, or else you'll go mad.

>>11842718
thinking with your dick

>>11842718

>>11842725
If you aren't thinking with your dick, you aren't thinking at all. What do you think nofap is all about? It's about concentration of dick energy for greater thinking.

>>11842754
brain

>>11840023
Are you a woman/non-white? Honest question

>>11840023
I wish I was a women so I could think like that

>>11831688

>porn
>fucked you up
>porn fucked you

Is OP the greatest poet of our generation?

>>11842822
op here
the answer is yes

>>11842704
Wrong. Visual stimuli are a reward, as is conjuring up a visual image in your mind. This makes it especially difficult to quit because the stimuli are rewards of themselves and even thinking of the stimuli provoke arousal. Fantasy, while compelling you to act, is a reward unto itself.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2016.00402/pdf

>>11842877
watching porn doesn't make you orgasm

>>11842884
Neither does a blowjob from your sister but you don’t see me complaining

>>11842889

>>11842884
Porn is a reward as well as a stimuli. As is orgasm. They aren't mutually exclusive, imbecile.

>>11835219
That's actually a pretty good argument.

>>11835219
Nixon was the embodiment of the philosopher king.

>>11840023
You're either a fag or a woman, and hence degenerate.

>>11842884
Yes, it can.

>>11842930
Aren't you the degenerate here, considering you don't believe it's possible for a heterosexual male to have his shit together enough to have sex / masturbate and not ruin his life over it?

>>11842410
Love this copypasta: "What did you say to me you little worm? I'm a former Navy Seal" Classic meme, laugh my ass off every time, dude.

>>11842944
Not who you responded to but I don't know any hetero males that refers to themselves as a "sexual being"

>>11842991
Maybe not, but it's hard to say whether that means he strongly identifies with his sexuality, or if he was just being a corny nerd.

>>11842449
Fag. Beauty eludes you.

>>11839181
>Anecdote
Really gets my wheels going.

>>11833147
It's like Killer7 except on 4chan.

>>11839181
Nearly every great thinker throughout time shilled for semen retention in one way or another. If you want to accomplish anything worthwhile in life, you can't be a chronic masturbater.

>>11838225
>To this letter he made the following reply: Dear Mr. L_____________: "You ask whether the draining from the body of lecithin and phosphorus through the sexual act will hinder the highest intellectual achievement and debilitate body and brain. Most definitely this is the case. Read my article on "Do Neuroses and Psychoses have a Chemical Origin?" in the June, 1936 issue of The Modern Psychologist, in which I show that the loss of these nerve-and-brain foods through sexual indulgence in any form deprives the nerves and brain of needed nourishment and leads to nervous and mental disorders. Our insane asylums are now overfilled with the victims of thoughtless sexual indulgence which has withdrawn valuable nutrients from the brain and disordered its functioning. These pitiful individuals, when in possession of their normal brain-structure, never realized that with each discharge of seminal fluid, they are pouring forth the very substance of their nerves and brain, until a time is reached when their brain is so sapped of lecithin that it ceases to function. Measurements have shown an actual decrease in the lecithin content of the brains of the insane. This was due to previous sex indulgence, as a result of which the sex glands took up the blood's lecithin to replace expended fluids.

>"The greatest intellectual geniuses in both ancient and modern times led continent lives, and there is yet to be recorded one individual who freely expended seminal fluid who ever amounted to anything. In most cases, individuals who have achieved have been forced by necessity to abstain from sexual indulgence, as Cervantes, who wrote Don Quixote while in prison, or Dante who wrote his Divine Comedy while in exile. Milton wrote "Paradise Lost" when blind and when he did not indulge in sex. Sir Isaac Newton, active in intellect until the age of 80, led a continent life from birth, and so did Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo, both of whom retained their creative genius [until] an advanced age.

>>11843417

>>11839591
I relate to this but im honestly ashamed of that

>>11843463
>m-muh cummies
What a bunch of flowery garbage. Christianity never demonized Eros, it just put it in its proper place. Not to mention Christian civilization isn't anywhere near the only culture to look down on over-sexualization.

>>11843463
No. Eros was/is meant to illustrate Christ's love for the Church, although it is clearly on a lower level. Chastity is not about denying ecstacy; it is about obtaining a higher/purer form of it. Enjoy being a willing slave though. He is waiting should you change your mind.

>>11843763
What do you mean, higher purer form? Like the way you are engaged in your consciousness?

>>11842665
>tfw I did that once
>Made the worst purchases I have ever made

>>11835305
Have NoFap as your home page.

Put up little reminders like "It makes you feel dirty" around your living environment / on your screens.

If you find yourself slipping and end up rubbing one out, force yourself to take a shower or go for a walk, so that you come to associate fapping with effort.

Make the effort to get a girlfriend.

>>11838751
Explain to me how math is "simply the extent of ourselves?" As in, it's a language we use therefore it's an extention of ourselves? An extension of the self--which is subjective--and therefore math itself is subjective? What do you mean?

>>11842877
saving that pic as a source of motivation

>>11835305
for starters block all porn sites and keep away from 4chan or use the internet as little as possible, then you should find a way to remind yourself how empty and devoid your will fill afterwards and that's its not worth to do the deed

>>11843959
Terrible advice. Nofap serves as am inducements for failure. Many people there see nothing wrong with masturbation or sex and make jokes about it. They talk vulgarly, and use arousing sexual terms. You see poor reasoning for their chasteness. It's filled with low IQ cretin doing it only to replace the hand with a vagina. They aren't practicing mental abstinence. As a result, they aren't productive. They're talking about "urges" and being more horny but this is their own fault for dwelling on sexual matters.

It also creates a negative association
>"No fap"

As if you are holding something back. It should be freedom from something negative instead.

>>11843959
>abstaining to get a girlfriend
not gonna make it
Entire point of abstinence is productivity and being free from being a slave to daily releases.

For you to think a girlfriend will solve anything tells me you never had sex.
All sexual releases are equally debilating. You feel tired and unproductive. You become a slave to it. You get nothing done and your dreams are discarded in favor of mediocrity.

See >>11836900

>>11844856
>free from being a slave to daily releases.
Why is that slavery?
Why does holding yourself back make you free?

You can't will yourself out of your body except by way of delusion. Was the passage from Nietzsche posted earlier tying sexual abstinence / morality with madness correct? Are nofap guys just hallucinating their "freedom"?

You'd think in the 21st century this type of ignorance and fear of the body would be all but ironed out of the hyperculture. If abstinence doesn't come naturally, it is just serving as a stimulant for you then; you are not becoming "free" of the body at all.

34th day of no porn/masturbation/orgasm. Flatlining like crazy, don't even feel sexual desire for anything at this point. Got offered a blowjob 3 days ago and declined. Must keep it up for another 2 month bruh

>>11843959
>reddit spacing

>>11833000
Nice

>>11845074
>Got offered a blowjob 3 days ago and declined.
maybe you're just gay, anon

>>11845538
Because gays hate blowjobs

>>11845543
when they come from a girl, yes

>>11831688
Viagra label

>>11845645
Did I say it was a girl?

>>11831701
https://ontherapyaspse.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/geoffrey-miller-the-mating-mind.pdf

>>11831748
even at his lowest, Manara is awesome

>>11832719
delicious hormones

>>11845004
>Why is that slavery?
It reduces the greatness of the human mind to serve the end of base pleasure, and thereby entails an abandonment of autonomy, as by reinforcing and letting the sex instinct run amok, it competes against your intellect for what you should do, i.e. a heteronomy of the mind to serve the master of base pleasure rather.
It is habitual and instills an urge to do it, which in this era of novelty, only escalates in frequency. Most young men have noticed that their frequency increases from once weekly as an early teen, to daily by the end of these years, to bidaily and even more frequently in their 20s.
Worse than the time wasted, it incurs a profound physiological toll >>11836799 and muddies the subconscious with sexual thoughts, which once they manifest, always take precedent.
Indeed, at random times throughout the day when unchaste, sexual thoughts pervade the subconscious, poisoning it, dulling it's creativity and driving you to repeat the same fucking thing over, and over and over and over again for the rest of your life until you die. Doesn't sound like freedom to me.

> If abstinence doesn't come naturally, it is just serving as a stimulant for you then; you are not becoming "free" of the body at all.
This is a very flawed understanding of sexual behavior and motivation. You can read the posts above to see what drives sexual behavior.

Now—the sedentary lifestyle and presence, no, hyperabundance of limitless novel sexual stimuli and pornography at the click of a button inflate the frequency of sex beyond that of nearly all other animals—that is what doesn't come naturally and what is to blame for the sexual excesses of today.

>>11845984
A little bit of both abstinence and sexual indulgence is needed in one's life. Extremity on either side is stagnation; tyranny is stagnation.

>>11845984
saved

Are Chasteposter and Londonfrog the two patron saints of /lit/?

>>11838188
>>11838176

What if you fap to 2D only?

Made by men for men.

>>11846627
This reasoning makes no sense.
It still wouldn't be a biological free lunch, and it still would be subject to habituation. Sexual arousal, activity and release profoundly affect the body and the brain.

>>11846453
yes and if they aren't, I nominate them for canonization.

Renounce the flesh. Temper your desires while lessening your appetite. Lessen your labors and remain in your cell. Do this and you will know peace.

>>11847117
Do this after having loads of sex in your youth though for best results.

>>11847239
It's more difficult to quit as you age.

>>11832719
>And why do you think they do that, hm?
because they want attention and enjoy it

>>11847117
>Lessen your labors and remain in your cell.
What does this mean? Remain in your cell? Like don't live?

>>11831688
"Science Discovers the Physiological Value of Continence"

>>11847530
If you quit early enough you shouldn't have any problem. Otherwise, you'll be a thirsty mofo in your later years.

>>11831701
>All of these morons taking such easily b8
Blows my kind how everyone forgets that trolls existence

>>11847628
It means to meditate and reflect. Go inwardly instead of doing your own thing.

>>11847872
>doing your own thing.
Doing my own thing as opposed to what? You mean doing what others tell me to do?

>>11847934
Instead of carrying about your routine as usual.

>>11843763
>Enjoy being a willing slave though.
There are two ways to overcome something. One is to do as you say, which is to practice an ascetic lifestyle. Another is to indulge yourself until you get bored of the stimulant and it no longer has an effect. I prefer the latter way however, because by the end of it, that person will be very proficient at / have a refined taste for whatever it is that was being indulged in, while the former leads to total indifference on the matter (or malignancy towards it). Why does this matter? Because taste = wisdom, and plentiful wisdom imparted from the older generations to the younger means a stronger future for mankind.

>>11848014
>dopamine receptors downregulate, hypofrontality serve in, and impotence follows
>guys I prefer this way because le refined taste!
brainlet eating crayons.JPEG

>>11848014
I tried the second way for over a decade. All it did was make the problem worse.

>>11842449
God and the soul are real and intransitory.

>>11842476
New carnal representations are always offered up as "innovations" to art when they are the oldest Satanic perversion in art through all ages.

>>11848345
It works. It's just very difficult to overcome. Once you achieve abstinence, it's very easy to maintain provided it's practiced mentally.

>>11848455
And you are an example, I assume. Would you mind telling me what advantages you feel you've gained.

>>11835188
This is pure cope from a porn addict. If you can't see why porn is bad, there is no helping you. You are hopelessly addicted and will do or say anything to convince yourself otherwise.

>>11835243
>Porn can have an ennobling effect as well
hello jew

>>11835305
You won't stop until you want to. Right now, you want to fap. You don't want to stop. Until your desires change, you will continue to want to use porn and masturbate. Read the hackbook here:
>>11833145
You fap and use porn because you want to fap and use porn. That's it. You don't want to stop, so you won't stop. It's not complicated.

>>11831780
Go fuck yourself. I like it. Therefore it is good. I will kill anyone who tries to ban it.

>>11842476
how does anyone enjoy berserk? real obvious how gloriously edgy the writer was

>kinda sympathetic to mozgus desu

>>11848162
Your pseudoscience aside, this is simply how life works; there's no arguing against it unless you want to look like a fool. How can you develop taste within a qualitative category you do not ever participate in? "I abstain from looking at paintings, yet I have the finest taste in paintings" — yeah, nah. Fuck you.

>>11848165
You might be low IQ then.

>>11848242
You call it the "oldest Satanic perversion," I call it the "oldest wisdom."

>>11848705
>If you can't see why porn is bad, there is no helping you.
And the reason why is because we don't need helping.

>>11848706
See >>11838172

>>11848792

>>11848792

>http://www.textfiles.com/etext/AUTHORS/TWAIN/onanism.txt

>>11840275
>>11840785
I knew it was the worst shit there was but I kept seeking it out because of the feverish need for something more than before that transgresses just a bit further. It dawned on me that something in me just wanted to mar beauty and innocence like I was some Tolkien orc so I drew my line in the sand with that stuff. Healthy young men should never have anything ado with the sort of horrid niggers that lurk the places such things are shared - Western boomers and general old sadistic perverts, Russians and a host of other orientals and hopeless diagnosed autists that the real world forgets. I never talked with any of them because chances were 70% of them were feds like Unteralterbach carousing these places but reading the 'posts' of those people is sobering if you're not so far gone that you don't see yourself as foreign to them.

ITT: incel coping

>>11835219
Based. Unfortunately, everything he feared has come to pass. Things are probably going to get worse, too, before they can get better.

>>11836890
>>11842926
>>11850522
hate to break it to you guys but presidents don't write things on their own, they have a writing staff. i don't know who wrote this particular statement but the chances of it being nixon himself are near zero. most of his famous speeches including the resignation were by a guy named ray price.

>>11850658
be quiet

>>11850658
You clearly never saw the Nixon threads. He was the most well read president of all time.

>>11832719
If I would be paid eveytime I masterbated I would be a happy man.

>>11850684
it's irrelevant how well-read he was, he still didn't write the thing you're all praising him for.

(plus it's an empty piece of rhetoric that just says "bad things are bad" without engaging at all with the real issue of telling the bad from the good. aristophanes wrote "filthy plays")

Porn has taught me a valuable lesson:
The mind creates things that the physical world cannot provide us with, never will. We are trapped in our hideous bodies, in this hideous, imperfect world, and the only thing we have are the perfect images that are forever in our heads.
Through art, we can come a bit closer to this ideal. We are in contact with our desire for something beyond the physical filth. God was likewise created as a means to elevate man above the disgusting filth of the animal world.
Of course, I am speaking mostly of 2D porn. 3D is also something similar, as it sells you an image of life that is nothing but unreal. But 2D offers so much more, wonderful things that cannot exist, but are made manifest by the capable hand of an artist.

Porn has also given me something to do:
Porn has ultimately bored me, started ERPing for a while, but that too has lost is novelty. I have no interest in chasing after meaningless sex in real life (too much effort, will NEVER be as good as porn). But, for years now, it has given me a purpose.
I am learning draw. Not good enough yet, but getting there. I want catharsis through art. I want to manifest my frustration at an imperfect world that will rot away into dust. I want to relieve the mind for a bit, I want to see an idea given form, to come as close as to what the mind's eye shows me as possible.
And of course, help others do the same. Maybe earn a few pennies from it.
In time, you too, will beg for more.

>>11848014
>Another is to indulge yourself until you get bored of the stimulant and it no longer has an effect
Hello Ricky Martin
> plentiful wisdom imparted from the older generations
he`s imparting you that wisdom my friend

>>11834061
You're right, it fucks society up on a much larger,silent scale.

>>11834586
It still makes your brain release pleasant chemicals for no useful purpose other than sapping your vital energies. Instead of making life gains and achieving your goals and THEN getting high on said chemicals that your body produced after you improved your life.

>>11850792
edgy