/lit/ - Literature

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>>11820289
HA! You forgot the old threads! You did it wrong, wrong, WRONG!

>>11820299
We finally beat him.

>>11820289
Nice (embed)s my man
Nah it's alright just try to leave em out next time

>>11820317
Yes, waifus rejoice.

Tolkien could beat up Jordan in a fight.

>>11820337
Tolkien gets books released after his death, unlike some I could mention.

>thread made by tripfag
>forgot most of the old threads
>nothing but waifu posts
Oh look, it's the worst thread in a while. Might as well start shilling again.

I could beat Tolkien in a fight if he were on his deathbed at the time.

>>11820328
This anon has a point; I stand corrected and somewhat abashed.
>>11820314
This anon follows the multiple thread linking heresy and shall be purged.
>>11820348
>hi I'm the new Stevian Heartbound
>how are you fellow anons
>have you read my book
>"To Kill a Furfag"

this shit any good?
i liked part one of the soul force saga. currently waiting for the third book of part 2 so i can read them in one go.
from what people say about it its actually good urban fantasy.

>>11820402
>from what people say about it its actually good urban fantasy.
They say that of Dresden Files too, though.

>>11820385
A tripfag is several orders of magnitude worse than a furfag. And your thread is still shit, no matter how you try to deny it. Throw me into the fire and I will pull you in as well.

>>11820412
true but i actually like james e. wisher.

>>11820385
>This anon follows the multiple thread linking heresy and shall be purged.
Merely a doctrinal quibble, but the previous thread had no backlinks, disrupting the Great Chain that uncoils to the misty recesses of memory.
BALANCE MUST BE RESTORED

>>11820421
>t. who is "Stevian Heartbound"?
>better just double down on the tripfag thing and hope no one notices
>>11820439
Valid but a better anon than I supplemented them so I made a command decision. Also I really like my "previously on" vapidities and I warned everyone prior to my OP and really I'm quite chagrined about the embeds okay, it won't happen again.
>sob

>>11820402
Just look at that shitty cover.
What kind of spaz do you have to be to actually read something like this
Horrible.

>>11820463
I indeed have no idea who Stevian Heartbound is, and I'm perfectly content with that. You can't touch me. You're still worse than me.

>>11820474
>literally judging a book by its cover

>>11820477
This is why bunnies are a prey animal...

>>11820487
Oh no, I am not judging the book, if it can even be called that. The book is beyond shitty, we all know that.
I am judging the person reading that "book".

>>11820499
But first you must catch me.

>>11820348
>I could beat Tolkien in a fight if he were on his deathbed at the time.
Doubt you could beat him even now

>>11820562
>Doubt you could beat him even now
He'd be a ghost right now, and more powerful than ever. I couldn't even begin to harm him.

>>11820578
Nah, he was a catholic so he’d be in hell.

>>11820585
A demon would be even worse. The point stands.

any fiction with autistic game dev characters like REAMDE

Someone purchase Mortu and Kyrus in the White City from Amazon for 1 dollar and turn it into an epub file then give it to me.

>>11820385
>>11820421
I'd say a tripfag is about as bad as three furfags or one and a half brony.

>>11821058
What if the furfag is also an avatarfag?

>>11821067
I take the avatarfagging for granted when it comes to those kinds of "people"

>>11821069
T.T

>>11821078
Don't worry about that, at least you aren't a fucking tripfag. Have you read anything new lately? I recently started the chinkshit Emperor's Domination but I haven't been able to form an opinion about it yet.

Any fantasy/sci fi series that isn't yas kween slaying a thinly veiled Dick Cheney?

Any books like devil may cry? Please no weeb shit.

>>11821255
Oh fuck off.

>>11821240
Plenty. Be more specific in what you're looking for.

>>11821312
Just something that isn't political, preferably with a complex plot and a lot of fighting.

>>11821328
Galaxy's Edge series.

>>11821105
Nothing good. I need to scrape together a to-read stack so that I won't flail around and waste time rereading my favorites. Just started Titus Groan. Hoping to finish before the deadline.

>>11821330
Nice. Thanks anon.

>>11821362
If it triggers the bugmen then it must be good.

>>11821255
>asks for book based on video game that is based off a book

>>11821362
Also recommend Undying Mercenaries for something pulpy and "fun."

Mark Lawrence is goat

>>11820289
For reference, old threads:
>>11804852
>>11795540
>>11780409
>>11763531
>>11749687
>>11738648
>>11723456

>>11820348
How many copies have you sold by shilling here?

>>11821801
i think he's actually given away a few. he's really not that bad and is nowhere near as bad as "to kill a god" tripfag.
t. not joho i swear

>>11821255
Halo 2

Finally reading Mistborn /sffg/. So far so good.

I wish I was reading this back when this place was basically just /bsg/.

>>11820348
that's actually a nice cover anon. I hope when I get my book published (should have the second draft done soon) I get one that looks that good.

Unfortunately, it's YA so I doubt people are going to care as much here

>>11822229
I read YA.

>>11822461
>>11822229
what even is YA, really

>>11821801
A few I think? Plus like >>11822151 said I've given away three or four print copies that I had lying around with nowhere to go. So it's been worthwhile in all.

I've still got a few copies if you want one.

>hard SF

Tell me about Malazan /sffg/

If I'm the kinds of guy that actually enjoys Sanderson, will I enjoy this?

>>11822739
Sanderson hates sex and Malazan has a lot of it.

Other than that, you've shown yourself to have terrible taste and only be looking for A LOT to read about. If you like one, you can probably swallow the other one fine too.

>>11822739
They're both shit so yea probably.

>>11822466
a break from the stuff i'm supposed to read

>>11822466
One part teen angst
One part hormonal love
One part self-insert characters

Sprinkle on some deus ex machina and wish fulfillment through a half-baked magic system, then you've got a delicious YA fantasy novel

Basically Rothfuss

>>11822795
Add a tatted hot half werewolf/vampire/whatever heroine in leather and you have yourself a hit.

>>11822739
>I'm the kinds of guy that actually enjoys Sanderson
Why would you say something like that about yourself?

>>11822811
>Why would you say something like that about yourself?

Because behind the clumsy dialogue and awful romance there's some of the best worldbuilding/magic systems in any fantasy novel I've ever read.

The Battle of Thaylen Field was 10/10

Am I the only one that hates overly explained magic systems?

Magic should be free, and wild, and impossible to quantify or often even truly predict. If you bind it down it just becomes science - science that can control minds or shoot fireballs, but science nonetheless. All the fantasy and luster will be gone from it, and it's just mundane and fucking lame now.

Sanderson is a fucking hack, and people need to stop gobbling his knob for essentially destroying the fantasy and wonder in magic.

>>11822819
World-building and magic systems do not make a good story. But if that's all that makes your pecker stand up then yea I recommend Malazan.

>>11822825
I'm fine with magic having rules and parameters, but Sanderson takes it to retarded levels. Jack Vance did magic correctly in his Dying Earth series. So much so Gygax straight up stole that shit for Dungeons & Dragons.

Currently reading The Dispossessed and loving it
Is all of Le Guin's stuff anarchist circlejerking because I am 100% on board with this

>>11822819
But it's all so badly written.
Why do you autists always zoom in on the most inconsequential parts of the story? Fuck characterization, fuck dialog, fuck anything but magic system. Wow.

>>11822893
As an actual legitimately diagnosed autist, I take offense with the implication that I should like drek such as Sanderson.

>>11822893
What would you consider a good fantasy series that isn't Tolkien or Wolfe?

>>11822910
Conan, Amber, Tigana, Gormenghast, Discworld...

>>11822912
How brave of you

Anything released this century that isn't universally praised?

>>11822916
The Straggler's Mask

>>11822903
At least you don't suffer from that particular brand of 4chan's autism.

>>11822910
The question here is why would you wade hip deep through 1000's of pages of badly written crap because of magic or world building while ignoring everything else, not whether I also partake in shitty fantasy.

>>11822932
But the magic and world building aren't badly written and the only dialogue that's actually bad is Shallan.

Did you even read it? If you did then you "waded through it" as well and if you didn't then you're just re-gurgitating /sffg/'s meme opinions.

>>11822941
>aren't badly written
I shudder to think what constitutes bad writing for you.

>>11822941
I read the first Mistborn book because it was recommended, decided it was awful, read the rest of the trilogy just to see if it'd get better, decided that it didn't, and figured that the author isn't going to get better anytime soon.

I was too dumb to understand Book of the New Sun, is Latro more complicated or less? I like the premise.

>>11822985
re-read my friend. urthus lexicon is super useful as well
also bump for the latro question

>>11822967
im not him but way of kings is genuinely good. if you can grind through the shallan chapters, the kaladin and dalinar chapters are great. minus the flashback shit.
good ending though

>>11822967
Mistborn is YA shit compared to Stormlight Archives

good modern military sci-fi similar to Watt's ZeroS?

>>11822466
Politically charged wish fulfillment for women and children.

>>11822466
Modern YA is a coming-of-age story where the character does not come of age but rather is validated in his youth.

>>11823049
it all goes to shit in oathbringer anyway, not worth reading

>>11820289
>tfw you will never be a famous web novel author.

>>11823179
>implying the last two hundred pages of Oathbringer isn't the best nu-fantasy ever written

>>11823203
In the context of nu-fantasy, "best" would be better said as "least shit".

Everything published since Tigana has been garbage.

>>11823203
it's not, it's actually boring as fuck, unreasonably drawn out and incredibly predictable
the entire book was garbage from start to finish

Any good science fiction (not fantasy) books with rape scenes?

>>11823214
>read 1200 pages of what he considers "garbage"

Never change /sffg/

>>11823226
None - for you see, rape is fantasy, not science.

>>11823230
As a fantasy enthusiast, I cannot possibly limit myself to only what I like. I pride myself of knowing what I'm talking about and being fully aware of what sort of books modern readers enjoy, even if it means wading through some unimaginable shit in order to obtain that knowledge.

>>11823230
yeah the first two books weren't that bad. I wasn't expecting the third one to be as awful as it was. that'll teach me

>>11823236
You've obviously read a lot of modern fantasy then. I'm between books and looking to move past the classics of the genre, is there anything modern you'd recommend?

How is it that the Lord of the Rings manages to tell an entire epic fantasy story in around 1,000 pages, while a modern fantasy series requires around 10,000 pages and never rises above the level of mediocrity?

>>11823242
Because Tolkien was a genius to such a degree that the entirety of fantasy lit is nothing but footnotes to him.

Tolkien is to Fantasy lit what Jesus was to Christianity

I did not like it. Why did you memed me into it.
There was noting exceptional about it, maybe i was expecting too much, but still.

>>11823250
Judging by the first hundred pages, I'd give a plus at memorable characters and deep surreal atmosphere. But yeah it's pretty long-winded, in a slow boil.

>>11823241
If you've already gone through the classics of fantasy, then you should set yourself for disappointment: the best of new fantasy can match only the mediocrest of what you've already read. Unless you want to go down the same road as I have and cringe through all of it, give a pass to the longer doorstopper series such as Malazan - even with the occasional high point, they're largely just a waste of your time.


The Name of the Wind is not terrible, nevermind what the shitposts say, so long as you steer well clear from the sequel. Some of the newer Discworld books might qualify for new fantasy and are still pretty good, even if nowhere near as good as Pratchett's best. I've also picked up the bunny meme from here, and from what I've read it's actually all right - it has its own voice and feel that I rather like.

That's about it on top of my head. I hope you can find something you like and draw your own conclusions.

I like Revelation Space and the Xeelee Sequence, my two favorite space operas. The new Xeelee book is alright. I'm expecting this to be the finale to the overall 'main' plot line and hoping to get some BIG REVEALS toward the end. Some segments of this feel like a shonen too with all the different powerlevels.
>tfw thread infested with newfags acting like tripfags are the worst thing ever
No wonder we can't discuss books most the time and threads devolve into everything being a repost being a repost being a repost.
>nobody even answers the OP anyway
feels bad man

>>11823346

>>11823353
Oh, and the First Law wasn't terrible either.

If yoy disagree with me, feel free to make a long and informed post about how you felt in regards of these books. I'm sure it'll help the anon here >>11823241 more than reaction images could.

Why is love triangle cuck shit is so common i modern fantasy?

>>11823346
>shits on Malazan
>recommends Rothfuss

>>11823370

>>11823373
Have you taken a look at the writers of said modern fantasy?

>>11823211
Kay has other stuff too.

>>11823385
What about them?

>>11823389
Go take a look.

>>11823374
It's the length that does it. Malazan is thousands of pages of mostly-shit, while Name of the Wind is only a single book of largely-shit. So there's a lot less commitment involved: you can just pick one book and be done with it.

I regret wasting so much time getting 7 books into the Wheel of Time, but I don’t want to quit after spending so much time on it. I’ve heard that the next 4 books are pure shite while the last ones were all just boring.
Should I just man up and finish this shit?

>>11822825
I like the rules in HxH

>>11823468
Case in point - this is exactly why I advocate against Malazan and its ilk. You get consumed by it and feel like you absolutely need to finish it since you started, even though it's mostly pretty bad and just wastes so much of your time.

Might as well finish your endeavor, though, at this point. At least then you'll know what you're talking about when you tell people to not read Wheel of Time.

>>11823468
Life is too short for reading bad books. Move to something else.

botns sucks. Change my mind Pro tip: you can't

>>11823659
Not gonna argue.

>>11823352

Does the raftverse ever show up again? I actually was pretty invested in that thinly disguised worksheet on what if g was much higher.

>>11823485
>>11823431
desu I enjoyed Malazan all the way through. This coming from someone who couldn't bring themselves to finish WoT.

>>11823468
You've read enough of the series to make up your own mind. If you like it continue, if not drop it.

>>11822825
Eh, I enjoy both.

>>11823723
I'm only ~40% through so far. Of course, there is a lot of reference to alternate universe shenanigans but nothing specifically about Raftverse yet. There is tinkering with increase-of-gravity manipulation, though

If Dara's such a waifu why'd she dump Corwin?

>>11824141
He killed her teacher or something. Frankly authors never do justice to waifus. Just look at Soulcatcher.

>>11824154
Can't believe Deidre died after doing absolutely nothing over the course of 5 books.

>>11824179
Can't believe someone would still think of her as a waifu when she's so fucking useless.

>>11824210
It's only Corwin that thinks she's a waifu. Fiona is the patrician's choice.

Waifu fags are the worst, especially in a medium that does not have wafius.
Keep your shit in /a losers.

>>11824253
>a
But what if you waifu is not from anime?

>>11824261
I can share.

>>11824263
Nigga pls.

>>11824297
?

>>11824253
Calm down la it's only banter

>>11824372
Dumb, repetitive banter.

Come up with something new for once. You're an intelligent adult, aren't you?

>>11824380
Ah fuck off dull cunt.

>>11824253
>especially in a medium that does not have wafius.
Im-fucking-plying

>>11824452
I thought people on /lit/ sought to enrichen their lives with literature, become more intelligent and imaginitive, and grow better and stronger from the experience. But I see that I was wrong, and that you're still eager to go for the low-hanging fruit, lazily typing the same old dull shit without ever actually giving it some thought, occasionally throwing out a lame insult to anyone daring to call you out - and never simply going away and doing something actually productive and constructive.

You are a fat, pathetic dumbass, spending your days fantasizing about shit you can never have, utterly unable to think for yourself, and a broken record. I feel nothing but contempt for you.

>>11823346
>the classics of fantasy
What books would you put in this category?

Weebs and their made-up waifushit have to make everything so awkward.
This right here is why people avoid you, here and elsewhere.

>>11824487
>This right here is why people avoid you
You mean, like, the picture?
Are you implying people would avoid this person?

>>11824485
For starters, Appendix N.

>>11824500
How horribly awkward.

>>11824479
Allow me to clear up a small misunderstanding you may be laboring under. You, at this moment, are not on /lit/.
THIS
IS
/SFFG/

>>11824581
You seem to be under the impression this is /a lite.
Begone weeb. Come back when your balls drop.

>>11824581
/sffg/ is a part of /lit/, the same way an asshole is a part of a person.

Are you content to be the asshole of /lit/? Are you happy to shit out and smell terrible? Do you not wish to strive for anything more than that?

>>11824487
>>11824479
Your banter is SHIT.

>>11824597
TECHNICALLY the body is not /lit/, the body is 4chan.
Why would someone make themselves a part of 4chan and then expect genuinely good things to come from that?

>>11824593
>waifus
>weeb
What if he doesn't watch anime? I don't and I still have waifus.

>>11824593
I'm not the waifuanon, just trying to educate you. Thanks for posting your trashy weeb gifs though, they really add to the topic.
>>11824597
/lit/ hates fun, we're fine without them

I wish memeanon was here, I didn't save any of the good PSAs.

>>11824638
>/lit/ hates fun
So your idea of "fun" is waifu posts and shitting on famous authors, over and over again, with no variety or original thought?

>>11824620
>>11824627
Why do you have to be so... repulsive, for the lack of a better word?

>>11824651
Because I'm stupid and smelly. I can't help it.

>>11824646
Would you stop being such a whiny faggot?
>>11824651
And you stop being stop pretending to be smart.

Talk about books and shit.

>>11824646
No, we just live with that bit.

>>11824638
>just trying to educate you

>>11824659
>stop being stop pretending to be smart
We don't need to "pretend" to be smarter than you.

>>11824691
I think he lost his composure when his waifu was brought up in negative light.

>>11824697
I don't actually have one

>>11824714
What? Really?
All those inserts of women authors will never touch in all those fantasy novels they wrote, on top of all those fetishes crammed in, and you don't have a waifu?
One of you weeb losers post those collages of waifus so this anon can pick one out.

>>11823346
Hey Patrick.....
Go fuck yourself.

How is Book of the Long Sun compared to Book of the New Sun?
I quite enjoyed BotNS

>>11823370
Nothing like a story that meanders all over the place and never really accomplishes much. other than Glokta sucking his gums eighteen times in every one of his chapter, and Bruce Banner Hulking out every time he's angry....errrrrr, sorry....Logen Ninefingers Bloody-nining out every time he gets angry. There's nothing much different at the end of the trilogy vs the beginning. Go Bayaz yourself.

>>11824841
Oh hey, haven't seen you in a while, snailfag.

>>11823353
>>11823374
>>11824793
>>11823384
>>11824841
What would you gentlemen suggest, then? Are you only here to shit on someone's preferences and inform how terrible something is, or are you capable of positive advice as well?

>>11824913
it's like you've never been to 4ch before

>>11824913
never should of come here

>>11823241
>>11824913
before I give reccs, what are the books you've liked?

>>11824913
I-I liked A Cavern of Black Ice.

>>11824951
Elric.

>>11824597
>Are you content to be the asshole of /lit/?
4chan is the asshole of the internet, so...

Can anyone recommend me some stories with monstrous main characters (literally and figuratively). Secret-hearts-of-gold are okay, but I really like genuine assholes as main characters, especially when they manage to avoid edginess.

>>11825093
Yeah, everyone knows to post their serious stuff on reddit, now fuck off back there

>>11825125
lurk moar newfag

>>11825184
epic, simply epic

>>11825201
>so new that he doesn't recognise old memes
>spouts shitty new memes when called out on it

>>11824988
Hmm well Vurt by Jeff Noon is psychedelic like Elric but modern, written in a cyberpunk style though definitely fantasy.

General fantasy recommendations I make are Sean Stewart’s Cloud’s End for traditional fantasy. Last Call, Zod Wallop, The Night Circus, The Night Watch, His Majesty’s Dragon range from the Napoleonic Wars to modern/post magical apocalyptic times.

I just spent $500 on an original first printing hard cover of The Lord of Light, was that stupid of me?

>>11825285
We've all spent money on dumb shit. Glass houses.

>>11825285
That book is a masterpiece.

I want to read a good fantasy adventure book.
I don't care if it's cliché and/or generic as fuck.
What do you recommend /sffg/?

>>11825331
The Straggler's Mask

>>11825331
The Belgariad

>>11825337

>>11825381
What? It's adventure.

>>11825331
Nine Princes in Amber by Roger Zelazny is v good

>>11825384

>>11825396

>>11825401

>>11825405

>>11823190
dont give up

>>11825395
This

>>11824936
shame a decent looking scabbard is being wasted on a shitty looking fantasy replica

>>11825401
>>11825407
Dumb bunny poster.

>>11825499
Misguided 3D-woman poster.

>>11825502
>3D-woman
Shitty writer, weeb and forever alone.
You are going places kid.

The slag poster has been in an awfully bad mood today.

>>11825517
>Shitty writer
You don't know that.

There are guys in this thread who read all of Malazan just so they could tell what shit that book is. Yet you can't read 600 pages in order to be legitimately informed about what a terrible writer I am. I don't have to listen to you.

>>11825285
If you have that much money to spend then please see: >>11820862

>>11825331
The Wizard Knight
Three Hearts and Three Lions

>>11825553
>You don't know that.
Oh yes I do.
Thanks to the wonders of modern communications and inability of of other "authors" such as yourself to keep their idiocy off Internet, I can safely say you are yet another example of the current crop of Amazon writers, probably to be replaced by some advanced version of the Amazon Mechanical Turk.
Don't quit your day job is all I am saying, capiche?

>>11825590
>Oh yes I do.
Oh no you don't.

All your evidence and safe-sayings is mere circumstantial speculation and comparisons to my contemporaries. By the same token, I too "can safely say" that Malazan is not worth my time, merely based on this copypasta that's been thrown around here every other thread or so - even though I've never actually read the books. Those words of mine can't hold a candle to people such as >>11823236 who actually do read the shit - and as such legitimately, and without a shred of doubt, know exactly what they're talking about.

Go on and read it. It's out there on Amazon, only costing you four dollars. Or if you give me your address on Goodreads, I could even send you one of my print copies.

Read it, and cease speculation. Read it, and know the truth. Else admit that you do not know and forever hold your peace.

>>11825627
No thank you. I value my time too much on to spend it on crap.

>>11825657
yikes

Are the books of Merlin in the Amber series worth reading? Seeing mixed reviews and I'm pretty happy with how Corwin's story ended.

>>11825780
Never read them either. I wonder how he interacts with his mom.

Worth reading even if you're not really a fan of Star Wars?

>>11825837
theyre alright in my book. a bit on the edgy side in certain parts but overall worth reading if you are at least a bit into star wars.

>>11825780
As a huge Zelazny fan I would rate the Merlin books a 5 out of 10, Mediocre. Merlin is clueless as a hero, the story is very unfocused, the end is unsatisfying, and there’s too much emphasis on Earth. It’s very sequelly, a watered down version of the original.
But I still liked them because of Zelazny’s voice and Amber and I’ll probably read them again sometime.

>>11825930
How is Dare in those?

>>11825938
She kidnaps Corwin and uses him as a living dildo.

>>11825930
Is it true that there was supposed to be a 3rd series before Roger died, is that why the ending is unsatisfying?

>>11825962
She wot? Do they at least love each other again?

read this its great, a hooker robot works as a spy in a universe where there are no humans for her to fug!

>>11825983
I used to write smut stories for Starbound General on /vg/ before the game came out with this exact premise, Stross owes me money

>>11825337
>>11825374
>>11825395
>>11825588
Thanks friends, I'll look into these.
The Wizard Knight would be the first time I read Wolfe but I hear it's pretty light compared to his other works.

>>11825983
No it's not.

Any good shit on Kindle unlimited?

>>11826017
Mortu and Kyrus in the White City

>>11826017
everything is on kindle unlimited these days.

>>11825879
Dark and edgy is fine. It's straight up nihilistic crap I'm tired of.

>>11826048
>Mortu and Kyrus in the White City
The premise of the book is kinda retarded.

>>11826016
yes it is fag

>>11826067
You should stick to Harry Potter then.

Daily reminder that:

Sanderson is a god
Malazan is the best fantasy series written in the last twenty years
The Name of The Wind is actually pretty good

>>11826088

>>11826074
Definitely. It's far better written.

>>11826073

>>11826109
>tips soi

>>11826122

>>11826088
>Daily reminder that:
>Sanderson is a god
>Malazan is the best fantasy series written in the last twenty years
>The Name of The Wind is actually pretty good

>>11826142
Do you throw a hissy fit every time someone calls you out ?

>>11826204
Where do you think you are? We all do that, all the time.

>>11826219
Fuck off faggot

>>11825973
He finished the Merlin series but it felt like he was rushed trying to wrap up a bunch of loose story threads because the story had dragged out too long. The Merlin books were supposed to be a trilogy not 5 books.

There’s five Amber short stories after the Merlin books. He was going to do five more short stories after that to wrap up loose ends in the Merlin series then write more Amber novels later.

>>11826204
I'm sorry anything beyond Harry Potter triggers you.

>>11826229
That's the spirit!

>>11826219
We do not do it in such a faggy way.

>>11825973
>>11826235
(Actually I’m >inferring at the 5 more short stories because of something he said about a contract for a short story collection. But he did say he’d write more Amber books.)

>>11826244
Why you mad?

>>11826261
And we certainly do not jump to "u mad" almost instantly.
You're really bad at bantz. Reddit transplant, if I may ask?

>>11826258
>But he did say he’d write more Amber books

>>11826239
Below, anon, below.
Your nonsensical story about barbarians on bikes is below 'Arry Potter, not beyond.

>>11826272
>>11826290
See: >>11826142

>>11823241
I'm another anon who's read a lot of modern fantasy and also commits to finishing a series that I start. This includes MYTH, Xanth, almost all of Dune ,a million other shitty things I read in highschool, currently on book 10 of Robin Hobb's world and so on.

I agree that name of the wind and first law get more shit than they deserve and are worth reading. First law spinoff trilogy isn't as good so plan on skipping that.

As long as we're talking about popular things that people hate R Scott Bakker is actually pretty good, especially the first three books. I've tried to start a discussion about them in three previous threads but it always gets ignored so I get the impression people here don't like him. Bakker's books get a little more amusing when you read his blog where he's just an enormous ass to the online academic community and you realize that his characters are just representations of classic philosophical positions that he trots out to show why his views are superior.

Dark Tower series is really good with western / post apocalyptic vibes. If you like that you might find yourself branching off into some other King novels to learn where characters come from. It's a long commitment but the first book will be a good indicator of whether or not you'll like the other ones.

If you don't want a series but just want one book I'd say Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell. Really fun charming period novel. Be forewarned of two potential issues. The first is that it is written in the victorian style so expect chapters that are essentially meaningless small talk in tea rooms. The other issue is there's times where the author just really clearly thinks their writing is cute and gets a bit carried away with it if that makes sense? I mean to say that she tries very hard to set up this british genteel charm and when she fails it's a bit galling.

A few popular suggestions that I'd stay away from follow.

The Witcher books: first two are okay but I think it loses a lot in the translation.

Metro 2033: Decent atmospheric writing and a cool setting but frankly it's just obnoxiously bleak and depressing in only a slightly more philosophical way than your typical grimdark fantasy.

Gregory Maguire novels: Read them a long a time ago and wasn't blown away. Wicked is okay but the sequels are worse. The Ugly Stepsister one was good

Sanderson: Only read Mistborn which was fine but nothing to write home about. Felt like a King or a Grisham or one of the worse sue grafton books where it's just a serial writer trotting out his craft. That being said if you like Jak and Daxter 2 the whole world is basically that.

Outlander Books: Actually lowkey there are such fun summer guilty reading novels and as an added bonus when you meet lonely women in their 50s it's a great conversation starter.

>>11826300
Wow you suck at this.

>>11826290
>REEEEEEEEEEE FANTASY AND SCI-FI NEED TO BE AS REALISTIC AS POSSIBLE!!!
Cringe

>>11826324
There's a world of difference between unrealistic and lolrandom.

>>11826324
Please don't project your behavior on me.

“He has a song,” the man replied. “He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire.”
Fucking seriously, George?

>>11826417

>like the premise of Malazan so I look it up
>it consists of 10 fucking books
Shit man, I am a slow reader so that is quite a commitment.
How is each book as a stand alone? I assume the main plot so to speak doesn't get resolved until the very end, but does each book have like its own individual conflict that gets (mostly) resolved within itself?

>>11826302
>I've tried to start a discussion about them in three previous threads but it always gets ignored so I get the impression people here don't like him.
I'm personally not interested, but others may just be burned out on Bakker discussion. We had a couple months of Bakker posting like maybe a year ago.

>>11826436
>I assume the main plot so to speak doesn't get resolved until the very end, but does each book have like its own individual conflict that gets (mostly) resolved within itself?
The first couple sorta do individually, yeah, but only just.

>>11826436
Give the first book a try. If you genuinely end up liking it, you might get something out of committing yourself into reading the rest. Otherwise, you should give it a skip and read something shorter.

>>11822825
I thought drafting in the Lightbringer books was cool

>>11826441
Someone post the copypasta where Bakker argues that he doesn't smoke weed but that it helps his writing.

Anyone read The Sparrow by Mary Doria Russel? Man this book is super duper slow and I'm getting really tired of everyone's picture-perfect family style interactions with perfect puns and perfect emotions. And this straight up annoying shit is interspersed with the even more annoying "what I went through is too horrifying to describe but I will let it out in bits and pieces in a stupid roundabout way like a character from Ace Attorney"

Does this shit ever get good? Do we actually get to some interesting horror? Or is this just an "intellectual" circlejerk on theology

>>11826436
>10 books
>Doesn't know about Erikson's side books, prequels, and Esslemont's incredibly subpar Malazan books

Hope boy.

Get Gardens of the Moon and Deadhouse Gates, and if you don't like it by then and it moves too slow, pass on the rest.

And yes, new characters are introduced every single fucking book.

>>11826803
I tried. I actually liked the in-depth character development and interaction. When they got to the planet I had to stop reading because I knew it was going to go bad and I'm already depressed. The writing is good but I'll try continuing it when I'm not wanting to curl up and die.

>>11826803
>>11826837
These books are good. Unfortunately:
Some of the scenes that would have been the most interesting were blatantly skipped over in the first book while the author elaborated upon ones I didn't care about.

Also I'm characterfagging trash and I hated what happened to Supaari in the second book. I also absolutely despised how Emilio missed all the action in the second book and how Ha'anala died. Most of all, I hated how Gina fucking died. The author has a fuck you tier tragedy boner.

>>11826893
Do I have to read the second book for closure? I'm going to drop the first book immediately if there's no satisfying conclusion.

>epic fantasy

>>11826904
There is a conclusion in the first book but it is written like a proper duology as in the story continues properly, the author doesn't do dumb shit like run out of ideas halfway through the sequel like a lot of the shit authors. The second book organically feels like a sequel to the second while also expanding upon the events within the first book to illustrate the depth of MISUNDERSTANDING that you would otherwise miss out on if you read only the first book and not the second.

However, these books never have any cosmic horror in them so if you are after horror, I would highly recommend the Blindopraxia or Alistair Reynolds. These books are a lot more about personal tragedy and loss of faith.

Also, I do think that the two Mary Doria Russel books are quite good and are probably one of the best books I found in a while, but I definitely feel that they are far from perfect.

>>11826934
>>11826955
Thanks anon
I think I'll read the first book to completion and decide if I wnat to continue after that.

I just can't find space horror that I really like these days. I enjoyed Blindsight very much but I didn't like Echopraxia. I read Diamond Dogs & Turquoise by Alistair Reynolds and felt betrayed by Diamond Dogs. Turquoise had some awesome stuff in it but it wasn't space horror at all.

>>11826998
I haven't finished off Reynold's novellas yet but mainline Rev Space is much more like Blindsight but way more autistic

Is it possible to write a heroic fantasy/fantasy without the political bullshit? Like every village/city is a city-state or something like that? I fucking HATE this crap. It's never intresting and I don't give a fuck about hurr the empire, the kingdom.

>>11827125
You can't write an apolitical work but why the fuck would you have to focus on politics?

>>11822825
>Magic should be free, and wild, and impossible to quantify or often even truly predict. If you bind it down it just becomes science
There's more than two choices.

>Shades of Grey II Either a prequel that takes place before the 'Something that happened' or we'll just carry on straight after Eddie's marriage. I'm favouring the latter. I'll be working on this in 2019 and am not sure how long it will take to write.
Please be a sequel

>>11822893
Look at this fucker. People here don't read books for fun anymore. It's all about muh characterization muh dialog, novels can't be simply written anymore. I love reading Matthew Reilly's works and his writing style is positively infantile but they're fun as fuck to read, same for Brandy. Can't expect everyone to be a Tolkien or something. Different books offer different things, you won't get the ebin battles and thrills you get from Kaladin's chapters in other, better written books.

Post essential Greg Bear

>>11826803
Yes, and it remains one of my favourite books despite its flaws.

It's slow and the character interactions are way too cutesy, but I actually enjoyed the mystery.

Also what the other anon said about Supaari is true, and I'm also huttburt that the series ended with book 2 and we didn't get a book 3 set on Earth.

I just wasn't coming of agree stories with a single characters perspective reeee

>>11828223
*want

>>11828038
>Also what the other anon said about Supaari is true
The entire fucking second book though:
>Be Supaari
>Invite a human bean over
>Human bean misunderstands everything and gets fucking mulilated
>Human bean leaves
>A backstabbing fucker of your species tries to kill off your family
>Get framed for murder
>Mutilate self for the sake of honour
>die in combat so that you will never ever be able to communicate with said human bean ever again and/or apologise
>kid dies in childbirth

>>11827819
This.

Stormlight definitely isn't the best written fantasy series, but it makes me feel unlike anything else I've ever read.

You cannot have my pain

have people who still defend SA no read oathbringer?

>>11828458
I'm mad as fuck that he didn't get to go to Earth. That's really all I wanted out of the second book and instead I got muh holocaust, muh gommunism.

>>11828609
Read it and enjoyed it. It was slower but that led to fleshing out of the world and character development, plus the final section was 11/10.

>>11828628
>I'm mad as fuck that he didn't get to go to Earth.
Me too.
>That's really all I wanted out of the second book and instead I got muh holocaust, muh gommunism.
I expected healing and instead I got genocide

>>11822825
>I like my magic free, and wild, and impossible to quantify or often even truly predict. If you bind it down it just becomes science - science that can control minds or shoot fireballs, but science nonetheless. All the fantasy and luster will be gone from it, it's just not my style.
Fixed that for ya, buddy.

>>11828892
>I got mad that someone disagreed

>>11828895
No, I just felt the need to post. Also there is nothing stopping that guy from just reading stuff he likes, he's acting like there is only one right way to write.

>>11828899
>I just felt the need to post.
Why? I think it was entirely clear to everyone that he was just talking about how he felt on things, indeed that it was not his style. But you still felt like there was enough of an issue there that it absolutely had to be fixed like a day after it was posted.

Nobody likes a smart-ass pedant.

>>11828936
Good for you, champ.

>Teenage girl getting gang raped by orcs in the first chapter
Jesus christ Vox

>>11829276
Screen cap, right now.

>>11829276
Awesome. We don't get enough girls being put to their places in fantasy.

What's the book? Is it graphic and explicit? Does this sort of treatment continue in the rest of it?

>author names his main character after himself

>>11829292
No one does this. Not even the most blatant self inserts do this.

>>11829340
>legolas by laura

>>11829363
Pretty sure that's a parody.

Been on a Wolfe run for the past few weeks - reread BotNS, actually read through Long Sun for the first time properly, Fifth Head of Cerberus and Latro. Now I'm thinking of having a go at The Wizard Knight series, but the summary I get just seem weird. What's the story like?

>>11827957
Eon is his most popular and it is a great. It's a Big Dumb Object novel with lots of hard science. I've only read that and Queen of Angels, which was also good but very different, a really ambitious (not always successful?) future mystery about a cop and a serial killer and going into his mind.

I've been meaning to read Forge of God his first contact novel. Darwin's Radio is another of his big books but it's about a plague and I'm usually not into those kinds of novels. Blood Music is a weird sci-horror novel.

>>11826302
Bakker is the fucking man. His books get a little messy towards the end there and I didn't really care for his characters minus Achamian, but boy is he an ideas guy. When I read his stuff I feel like I'm reading hard sci-fi except a) it's in a fantasy setting and b) the focus is to explore philosophy.

If you like philosophy and fantasy read him. He's one of a kind.

>>11829340
>Darren Shan

>>11829340
>Not even the most blatant self inserts do this.
>conquer by aron stone

>>11829609
Feel like I've heard that name before.

>>11828580
legit yelped like a nerd at comic con at that entire Dalinar sequence. I love this feeling

>>11829456
is it true that Book of the New Sun requires a lot literary knowledge to understand references and allegory like Dante's Inferno? Cause I'm interested but worried I"ll miss too much and should read more "real literature" first before trying it out

>>11829820
Look man you are among friends here but you gotta tone down your basedishness.

>>11829902
While everyone should read more "real literature" (especially the fantasy fags here) BotNS is perfect for rereading and taking notes.
You are not supposed to take it all in in one reading.

>>11830003
Why are Sarah Stephens posters fallowing me across boards?

>>11830142
You get noticed with that kind of body of work.

>>11830190
True, I fapped to her a lot.

>>11830196
That's a sin anon.

>>11829456
It's a bumpy ride

Fantasy newfag here,recently finished the first Wheel of Time book and was greatly disappointed. I had heard many good things about the books but only found a teen hero story full of cliches.Is the rest of the books better or I just don't get it.

>>11829276
That turned me on too when I first read it.

>>11829456
The premise of Wizard Knight is a young boy dies/is dying and ends up in this fantasy world, but the story is completely traditional as far as fantasy goes. It's really not weird at all, though I'm sure there's some 2deep4me stuff going on that went right over my head when I first read it.

>>11830277
See: >>11826930

>>11830311
Sounds sad, does he miss him mum?

what's the essential orphaned boy besides Belgariad?

>>11830277
I don't think the rest of the books get any better.
I personally dropped it (on three separate occasions) mid first book.
In the series defense no one ever claimed it was exceedingly well written. I think it's more the case of retreading the familiar (and much loved) ground. The series is nothing but a collection of bits and pieces from other, far better written works.
If you like all the classic fantasy tropes, you'll like WoT.

>>11830265
Well she does play a witch.

Imagine suckin' on some elf tiddies.

>>11830552
I wish.

>>11830552
>tfw you will never be a slaver raiding elven villiages for that sweet knife eared tree monkey puss.

>>11830552
>>11830562
>>11830566
Don't be race traitors.

>>11830583
Elves are Tolkien approved.

>>11830583
Imagine being so insecure about your own shitty race that you try to stop others from jumping ship to something much better if they can.

All humans deserve to go extinct. Our children will be half-elves or more.

>>11830552
>>11830566
>>11830583
>>11830586
>>11830590
I have a wee proposition if you don't mind, would you consider just sodding off?

>>11830612
Manlets, when will they learn.

>>11830624
I'll split your pretty little head open, see if you're still smirking then.

>>11830586
>>11830590
Yeah but those same Tolkien approved elves do not want anything to do with filthy mon-keigh. Especially with weirdos like >>11830590.

>>11830612
Keep walking shorty.

>>11830635
>do not want anything to do with filthy mon-keigh
But they do. A lot.

>>11830641
Oh anon I think you've been watching anime too much lately. A lot of fantasy fags watch too much anime.
Many such cases.

>>11829456
its not very good. its super boring

>>11830671
>anime
I don't, I just like this pairing.

>>11830685
>I just like this pairing

dont fuck up the next thread

>>11830720
Fruitcake

guys i need help.
my elf just climbed up a tree and refuses to come down. shes hissing at me because i told her to let it drip after im done with her.
what do?

>>11830767
Hey, I remember this thread.

At least she's not a dwarf. Mine hoards shit in the basement, tries to brick parts of it into a vault.

>>11830767
There's always that one guy who has to make it weird and uncomfortable for everyone.
The curse of 4chan.
Now we need a new topic.

>read book of the new sun last year
>only just now thinking about it do i realize the "sun"/"son" connection
good thing nobody will see my stupidity in the new thread

New thread!
>>11830816
>>11830816
>>11830816

>>11830388
Aside from the King Arthur stories, I think Lloyd Alexander's Prydain Chronicles influenced generations of writers with the orphan trope.

>>11823352
I'm reading Redemption too and I'm really enjoying it. I love the Xeelsee stories set during the near utopic time before mankind made contact, was conquered, broke free and then became xenocidal maniacs. (I know this is technically a different universe) I'm also liking how there's a lot more action than in previous books like the Ghosts fighting the Qax early in the book.

Based off the very first chapter I think this new universe isn't a reboot, but a kind of sequel to the original one. That Michael Poole is 100% the one from Timelike Infinity.