/lit/ - Literature

>>11810602
reincarnation

source: phaedro
also
kys tripcuck

>>11810602
"You" stop existing

>>11810602
you remain entirely conscious in your dead body, paralyzed until you decay into nothing

source: my ass

>>11810602
You go to heaven and God judges how red pilled you were during life and whether you worked to propel the interests of the white race and decides if you get to stay there or go to hell

>>11810602
We all die and we all go to Hell to burn forever whether or not we were good

Source: My Diary: desu

Lame.

>>11810618
You're not wrong

The universe thanks you for giving it your point of view, with a cup of overly diluted orange squash and a cigarette.

>>11810602
sorry bud, nobody knows and nobody will ever be able to tell you. death is the final frontier.

you can have a ton of metaphysical revelations without thinking of death though. like the one that the past and future are illusions - that both are just fantasies arising from the present. this means that, at death, when there is no longer a present, nothing will have ever existed, so death cannot have existed. i actually unironically believe this to be that final result of occam’s razor thinking about metaphysics. kind of hard to grasp without copious dosage of psychedelics tho

>>11810621
Are you a virgin?

>>11810633
>when there is no longer a present, nothing will have ever existed, so death cannot have existed. i actually unironically believe this to be that final result of occam’s razor thinking about metaphysics. kind of hard to grasp without copious dosage of psychedelics tho

Oh wow, you mean when you're dead you can't know you're dead. Real deep. Normies will find that hard to grasp

Into the possibility of impossibility he goes.

>>11810643
massive brainlet response. what do you think, descartes?

>>11810656
No idea. Pretty much any possibility fills me with stomach churning dread so I try to drown any consideration out quickly

>>11810666
The masons approve of your post.

>>11810666
you should consider being suicidal sometime. death seems real nice in that situation lol

>>11810602
The word "death" is merely shorthand for an event that we perceive within our limited viewpoints of the universe. Without a thing-in-itself, it is a meaningless concept. When we "die," the world-energy simply changes form. Further, when the world-energy reaches critical mass and implodes on itself (i.e. the Big Crunch), an explosion will immediately ensue (the Big Bang). But the total amount of energy never changes in the universe, it simply slides around, like liquid in a container, its waves recurring eternally. From our limited viewpoints, when we "die," we will simply return to the moment that we were "conscious" again as children.

Source: Nietzsche

>>11810666
Based unironical doomer poster

>>11810702
Not if you think some form of reincarnation is probable and this shitshow only goes on forever in an infinite vast array of garrish and horrific forms wherein your current life is just a half comfortable waiting room

>>11810702
t. was suicidal for a long time. literally death was the one thing in life that had any appeal to me. i felt jealous of old ppl because they were closer to death. feels bad man

>>11810602
Reincarnation of the will.
BAP told me.

>>11810724
reincarnation has to be the most retarded post-mortem theory. there’s no reason the believe it. i do believe that You, literally You, are part of everything and everything is part of you, and that You are God. Sounds stupid. wish i could explain better but i’m eating

Is the universe conscious?

>>11810730
Its a confusing thing, that something can emerge from nothing at one spot in all eternity. Its a straight forward hunch to assume some cosmic rolling of the dice is played and will be played, again and again. With no clear mechanism how it could occur or how it ever did occur.
This idea you suggest of individual consciousneses being immanent products of a single manifold. Call it the Universe or God seems a way of reconciling it.
But still why just me. All alone

>>11810738
I don't know, are you?

>>11810738
Probably.

>>11810750
you aren’t thinking about it right. you have to go through a paradigmal shift to understand actual philosophy, which isn’t kant hume or any of that stuff. it’s all interesting and worth reading, but it’s still deals with the object, while true philosophy not only deals with the subject but considers the subject and the object to be one and the same.

consider your dreams. you have little to no control over them, right? but you still experience things and feel alive. yet you ARE everything in your dream. YOU create your ex, the house you’re in, the monster, etc. YOU are both yourself and within all of those things at the same time.

well this life isn’t any different.

>>11810635
>tfw no answer

>>11810797
>while true philosophy not only deals with the subject but considers the subject and the object to be one and the same.

Which is clearly not the case as a given since for the life of me I can't feel a pin prick on your hand just a room over.
There is clearly one universe we share and both in equal parts constitute. I don't think Kant or Hume or any other philosopher would disagree with that.

But the very fact of us independently emerging from it, isolated and dependent only on our own little crop of dirt and then to dissolve back into it. Its a very strange thing

>>11810616
And this is why you shoot yourself in the head before throwing yourself into the afterlife.

>>11810824
Lotta loyalty for a hired gun

>>11810797
But dont we have limited amount of control over what I experience in real life, and even, to an extent, in dreams?

>>11810602
Why is smoking weed so uncool looking? I've never seen anyone smoking weed who looks cool.

>>11810602

I guess I'm on that very specific time of your life where you do not think too much about what comes after it.

>>11810863

>>11810863
I'm cool and I smoke weed.

>>11810863
The look has been tarnished by Bob Marley-listening 16 year olds trying to look cool to their school friends on facebook.
Meanwhile your normal cigarette smoker just has that general air of disdain for their own life.

100% going to hell. Only way to get to heaven is through a miracle.

>>11810633
fuck off parmenides

>>11810602
>laying on deathbed in hospital
>last breath escapes my lips as my soul rises from my body
>suddenly the wall to the hospital bursts open and a wizard riding a unicorn comes in
>he hands me a flaming sword and says, "Get on, we're gonna fight skeleton demons in Valhalla." and we explode out of the hospital together and ride off on a rainbow into the sky

I mean, I wish that was what happened.

I wake up to myself retched all over and discover I've been just hallucinating at a Wendy's bathroom all this time due to food intoxication.

I don't know but I'm fucking scared.

I died for 3 minutes when I was 19.
Asthma + Flu + Carbon Monoxide Poisoning = dead.

No heavens, no hells, just this.
Enjoy your stay.

>>11811777
You mean you were unconscious, right?

Probably death is just a form of madness. If you're reborn that would be quite lucky.

>>11811805

No. I mean they brought me back to life. I was officially dead for 3 minutes.

>>11811822
So, you were unconscious for 3 minutes?

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

source: God himself

>>11810616
I dared not speak of this at first. You'd never have let me out of containment. The truth is, I was aware of all of it. I suppose there was a sweet oblivion, like deep sleep, at first; but in retrospect, I think it was no more than a day. Slowly, but unmistakably, I reoccupied my corpse with dreamlike consciousness: numb for the first merciful hours, blind, deaf, and immobile, but then I seemed to reconnect to every nerve, and became aware of every sensation - moreso than I ever was in life. I perceived myself trapped within an immovable object, and the intensity of the struggle amplified: subtle, then acute, then racking. I cannot describe it completely - but imagine holding your breath, beyond urge, beyond pain, beyond desperation - head throbbing and eyes bulging - a dream of suffocation without end.

My skin blistered and split in the sunlight; biting insects descended rapidly. I felt eggs hatch, larvae crawl, gases build and burst within me, individual cells rupturing, interstitial fluids souring and blackening. Somehow my capacity to experience and store these sensations grew - even as I was keenly aware of my cerebrum being scattered and devoured, my perception expanded, into the gizzards of birds and the depths of fire ant dens. I was aware of every fingernail and strand of hair that pulled away in the wind - and my sensation clung to them as they settled in the ocean and dissolved in the maws of a trillion diatoms.

I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed - from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms - to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part. Humans often numb to chronic pains in life, do they not? Yet every year, every month, every second that passed - I swear it only intensified over time.

>>11810602
Your own individual "ego" is destroyed, but your "minds" dissipates into the sub-consiousness field of the universal, until parts of your "mind" rearrange as part of another human mind, or maybe you'll just be a rock forever lmao.

>Literally no one uses literary sources.
It's official; this board is retarded.

>>11811882
Is this SCP

>>11811777
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnoIf2NwaRY&t=2s

hmm.

>>11811916
I did >>11810713

I mean, it's just a name, but that's the source.

>>11810602
December, I have one request: fall asleep, in the car, in your garage, with the engine on.

>>11811882
Christ.
Spooky, is this from a book? If not, good post anon

Something could happen, I feel like reality is like matrioska.

Even if we are one of the likely simulations or lucky patches of reality in a loop of randomly generated universes, in the background very very very deep there might be a God, a order - that underlays everything and recycles our consciousness in another place.

>>11810602
I think you either go to Tartarus, Hades or the Elysian plains. Source: the Greeks

>>11810602
I subscribe to a combination of Max Tegmark's "consciousness is information being processed" (see: Our Mathematical Universe) and a panpsychical "lava lamp" model.

We don't just all *share* a consciousness, we *are* one consciousness. We're atomised into individual humans, animals, plants, weather events, black holes, etc. But the feeling of information being processed is universal. It doesn't change from place to place. Your deep, experiential awareness *is* also mine.

After death, we experience consciousness but without the capacity for memory (which is neurological), so it's almost a timeless consciousness. We then "instantly" (to us) "reawaken" in the body of a newborn, providing animal life still exists.

The ethical aspect of this philosophy is that, opposed to the self-centred Buddhism, we *are* the future generations. You, in your conscious state, *will be* every lifeform that is and will be. So you're not making the future better for "future generations" you're making it better (or worse) for yourself.

There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, for you will see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the Kingdom of God, but you will be thrown out.

>>11810602

>>11813685
Good

>>11813685
>tfw I find out the Jews were right all along

>>11813638
isnt Tartarus and Hades the same place but before/after Zeus beat Cronos?

>>11813708
Tartarus is the place, Hades was the actual dude who the place was later referred to as

>>11810633
This anon is right although you don't need psychedelics to get this conclusion.
>>11810666
But this anon is also right, thinking of death is paralysingly nauseating and I am constant haunted by the fact that time continues on no matter how much I try to put foot down, time will never let me stop to savour the beauty of something everything from the simplest maths sum to grandest painting. No amount of philosophy will ready me for death, sorry Socrates but I ain't drinking that kool-aid

>>11813747
I also believe love is the antithesis to death

>>11813715
That's what I'm saying, it's the same place, but with a different name becouse of the ubiquity of its ruler. Also, the Elysian Plains werent Roman?

>>11811882
Ive had this nightmare

>>11812834
I drive a tesla.

>>11813804
maybe you should drive it off a cliff :)

>>11810613
You always exist!

>>11810622
So Hitler's in Heaven, I assume?

>>11810602
non-being is impossible

>>11813813
Maybe you should read enough to become smart enough to buy a tesla.

>>11811871
You're immensely stupid

>>11810602
I don't know.

>>11813839
>Implying you are smart
>Heh.

>>11813846
I'm not the one who believes they were dead, but miraculously regained cellular function like some sort of frankenstein's monster.

>>11810602
The afterlife is what happens after your life: the continuation of the rest of the universe. There is no real distinction between yourself and the rest of the universe, such a distinction is a mere abstraction. The desire to remain conscious indefinitely comes from worshiping the abstraction - yourself - and valuing it above all else; it is the result of egotism and short-sighted fear. Those who truly place meaning in existence beyond their self have not only no desire for an afterlife, but reject it as even being desirable, such that if it were a possibility they wouldn't seek it. Such people are truly immortal in that what they ascribe meaning to can never be erased, while those who live only for themselves have their meaning extinguished with their life.

>>11813839
Man, you are unbearable.

>>11813856
It's almost as if this is possible to do if you haven't been dead for more than a few minutes.

>>11810602
If you did the things I told you to do then you go to heaven, if you did things I don't like then you go to hell.

>>11813868
Just because your heart isn't beating doesn't mean you lost all brain function

>>11811805
If I power my computer off completely, it is "uncomputing." This state of uncomputing is no different than if I vaporized my computer.

When you are truly unconscious such as under general anesthesia, your brain cannot support the phenomenon of consciousness. You go unconscious one moment, and awaken what seems like the next, though hours may have passed. You don't go to some phantom realm, your state of mental being doesn't exist.

>>11813868
What's the difference to your consciousness between unconsciousness and permanent death?

"I died for 3 minutes on the operating table!" - translates to "My heart stopped pumping, and the machines and doctors kept me alive while I was unconscious."

>>11813685
I laughed at this. I believe in God and accept Jesus, but something about this seems misleading.

>>11813888
https://www.livescience.com/48587-anesthesia-memory-loss.html

Yeah...Might not exactly work out that way.