/lit/ - Literature

Not a simpleton, but a neurotic narcissist (100% of /lit/)

>>11804242
>a neurotic narcissist
And proud of it! It's what makes you a writer.

>>11804225
He also thought he could smell colors. Guy was a retard, wrote pretty though

>>11804319
I pity those who don't experience synesthesia.

>admitted he couldn't understand music

more damning

>>11804398
Did he ever say he "couldn't understand" it?

>>11804319
I think it was seeing colours not smelling colours.

>>11804225
Logo_daedalus on twitter always references how Nabakov had a neurotic thing about not being able to visualize a quick 180 degree heelspin without either cutting out the blurred middle part of the process, or imagining doing it slowly.

That level of autistic visual detail, it probably wouldn't surprise me if he was a mostly visual thinker. I can't even imagine a 3d space in my head for more than a couple of seconds (and my thought process is extremely verbal)

>>11804225
this is such a forced meme

>>11804225

I know NPC/inner monologue is a meme, but thinking about it I have found that I'm the most quick witted (verbally) when I don't have a internal monologue. Usually when I am very active and tired. Answers to questions, jokes and such just fly out of me. When the Monologue is the most active I take time answering questions, sometimes even stutter, especially when speaking foreign languages (if the Monologue has chosen a word out of my range.)

>>11804242
>a neurotic narcissist
>not Nabokov

>>11804321
You pity those who don't have brain damage?

>>11805085
>tfw the opposite of an npc is a schizophrenic

>>11804932
Everyone can see colors retard

>>11805441
This is true

>>11805441
Maria Komornicka wrote circa 1905 that mankind is NPCs and "Neurotics-Brainers". It's 2018.

>>11804962
Interesting! If he was such a visual thinker, how come Nabokov became a writer renowned for his style and not an architect or an engineer? Though, I guess, he /was/ a serious entomologist.

>>11804259
*cringe*

>>11805469
I can sort of read Polish. Where can I read that?

>>11805528
The work, "Forpoczty Ewolucyi Psychicznej", is on WikiSource, with Nałkowski listed as its author, because he's the author of "Jednostka i Ogół". Physical print tomes (various anthologies of polish/slavic modernist thought) usually include 2-3 other essays by him and listed as written by him, and Forpoczty listed as written by him, Komornicka, and Jelenta. It's a pretty neat look at neurosis as something perceived from a neo-romantic, individualist standpoint.

>>11805593
Thanks. I'll see if my Polish is enough to handle something that old. Wiedźmin was difficult to me.

>>11805598
Yep, definitely try it, Wiedźmin being difficult isn't uncommon considering that the stylization is sometimes kind of all-in

>>11805117
Can you explain this NPC/inner monologue meme to an anon who's only just got back to /lit/ from a long sojourn outside?

>>11805626
Leave man, it’s not worth it. Whenever you get nostalgic just go to warosu and read something from 2010-2014 or so

>>11805626
There was some study about subvocalizing or something that /pol/, being sub-80 IQ retards, interpreted as "only 20% of people have an inner voice", the remaining 80% are the "NPCs". It's basically just calling people normies but with further emphasis on thoughtlessness and conformity.

>>11805630
>memes are bad beeep boop, return to nostalgia protocol boop beep. Thinking bad boop boop

>>11805626
According to a psychological study most people do not think verbally, which means they are essentially not human. Some sort of stand by NPC until you interact with them. That triggered a bunch of NPCs here.

>>11805452
I am indeed a retard, I meant to say seeing letters/numbers as colours. Mental fart, my bad.

>>11804225
I'm convinced, the more i hear about him, that Nabokov is unironically stupid.

>>11805659
Have you read him? He doesn't write like a stupid man.

>>11805643
Further, I believe its taken off here because it preys on people's fear of not being as intelligent as they think they are, as the implicit assumption behind the meme is always that the NPCs are the dumb normies and the neurotic /lit/ posters are the "real" people

>>11805659
Nabokov was the 20th century equivalent of a /lit/ poster

>>11805654
this

>>11805643
I see. I do find your anecdote (if you are the same anon who related it) about being wittier when you're less able to think quite compelling, though - I've have the same experience too. We all know that /pol/ is a conglomeration of retards, but perhaps this does suggest that subvocalisation or lack thereof has little bearing on intelligence.

>>11805630
I am glad to see that at least the meme trilogy remains untoppled.

The real NPCs are the people who cannot turn their inner voice off.

They're being told what to do and essentially controlled by the directions of the voice and are unable to function without it.

>>11805654
>most people do not think verbally
>which means they are essentially not human
That doesn't follow. What follows is that to be an NPC is more human than to not be one.

>>11805663
I've read both Lolita and Queen, King, Knave. You're right. He doesn't. But that is because of preternatural ability. He sounds like a writing machine whose mind would become broken by philosophy or physics because he is only built to do certain thinks at a fundamentally cognitive level.

>"The people told me, however, that the big ear was not only a man, but a great man, a genius. But I never believed in the people when they spake of great men—and I hold to my belief that it was a reversed cripple, who had too little of everything, and too much of one thing."

>>11805678
He means human in any sense that matters. Not human in the sense that niggers are ""human""

>>11805667
>Nabokov was the 20th century equivalent of a /lit/ poster
Nabokov loved sports and spend time outside. He had an actually interesting life even if it was forced on him. Lovecraft is more /lit/, or rather, what /lit/ wishes it was. A gloomy, refined NEET who hated his time and spent most days reading and writing letters.

>>11805676
The joke is on you. The voice is the soul.

>>11805676
Is this the bicameral meme?

>>11805676
>They're being told what to do and essentially controlled by the directions of the voice and are unable to function without it.
This is a simulation, and they are player characters. The NPC's don't need a voice in their head, cause there actions are pre-programmed.


After all this NPC discussion I'm thinking of picking up The Origin of Consciousness, it supposedly argues that bronze age people had a "god" within them who told them what to do.

>>11805688
And I am suggesting that perhaps "human" should not be used as a term of endorsement. Frankly, "humanity" is a wretched thing that one should aspire to transcend.

>>11805701
Scientifically false.

The voice is literally just the executive part of your brain piping your thoughts into the language region of your brain as if they had come from the auditory pathway.

>>11805717
>believing this

>>11805714
Nah thats some real reptillian demon shit. You're not welcome in my discussion circle and invite you to leave or re-evaluate

>>11805705
>it supposedly argues that bronze age people had a "god" within them who told them what to do.
Yeah, that's their inner voice.

>>11805717
>Scientifically

>>11805727
>Nah thats some real reptillian demon shit.
Exactly. If reptilians don't exist, "we" have to invent them. (I really hate the pronoun "we", but it's necessary for the allusion.) Don't you want to be a daemon, anon?
>You're not welcome in my discussion circle and invite you to leave or re-evaluate
I won't leave this thread, but leaving is generally a good principle for conflict resolution. It beats arguing and politics. This is why space is so important: there is a lot of it if you want to leave. Unfortunately, the human body is too frail for space. It must be reformed.

>>11805762
You're trying very hard and thats adorable

>>11805771
I wish I had to try to be like this. Sadly, it's effortless and comes naturally.

>>11805717
you quest marker is glowing my fellow npc

>>11805667
This implies that the NPC meme is propagated by /lit/posters when a simple one reply conversation with someone who posts NPC memes reveals they are almost invariably /pol/ redditfugees with no real literary background. I agree with your conclusion about them however.
It also creates a delicious irony where the same people who constantly ridicule their political opponents for having only pop culture to reference (to say Harry Potter, Star Wars, other children’s entertainment) themselves only have pop culture as a frame of reference (video games). Fitting after all, when the great migration began with vidya.

Nabokov was a Hegelian Idealist. Idealists can't be NPCs

>>11805809
say you npc

NPC here. Ask me anything.

And yes, Nabokov is one of us.

>>11805809
but all Hegelians are the worst, dumbest kind of NPCs.

>>11805823
They can't be NPCs by definition since their whole reality comes through the ideal.

>>11805832
they might think so but that's what the simulation programmed them to believe. if you subscribe to Hegel you can't be a sentient PC.

>>11805840
What if you unsubscribe from Hegel? Do you regain sentience?

>this thread

>>11805832
au contraire, the hallmark of npcs is that they operate on and cannot deviate from a pre-programmed ideal. For example, Nebokov cannot for the life of himself recognized the greatness of Dostoevsky; what worse, it was his conviction that Dostoevsky cannot not possibly great.
The latter, being a devout christian, agonized over atheism.
NPCs struggle to reach their ideals. Those with souls struggle to defend their ideals.

>>11805847
In the NPC theory, you are only able to make decisions if you are given free will (aka you're not at NPC), so yes, if you've been a Hegelian but decided to drop it you might just be a very stupid PC.

>>11805048
NPC alert

>>11804225
>thought non-verbally when not writing and that only a simpleton would talk to himself.
He probably told that to himself.

>>11805857
This is textbook memetics in action. A meme has a built-in response to critics to help it spread and deter criticism. Those who say memetics is not real are full of shit.

>All these brainlets patting themselves on the back for subvocalizing

You will never be like Nabochad

>>11805851
>projecting this hard

>>11805496
Yeah it's strange. Though I think a lot of the Nabokov-as-pure-stylist comes just from Lolita.

I think with his synesthesia you can't really tell how his senses were mixed. And a lot of his prose has this rigid feel, where it feels like he's writing it from like a... visual impression of the sound of it? Idk if that makes any sense at all, but it feels so specific and like it couldn't have been written another way.

The best is an exterior dialogue of focused meditation, auto-suggestion, and brutally honest journaling, in order to willfully and forcibly shape your subconscious to your desires.

It's somewhere in Strong Opinions. That's the first thing I thought of when the NPC meme broke.

>>11804962
I bet DFW was a completely verbal thinker. His banality and stiltedness suggest that to me.

>>11806816
>It's somewhere in Strong Opinions.
Thank you! I have found it.
>That's the first thing I thought of when the NPC meme broke.
Nice.

>>11804398
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>>11806879
>>11806883
a true brainlet.

>>11805654
See
>>11805643

>>11805851
>gameboy emulator and bandcamp notification
Based and cringepilled

>>11805870
The robots can't question their actions, they simply do.

>>11804932
Why the fuck would that be noteworthy? 'Hey guys, guess what, I can see colours'

>>11807067
You obviously are familiar with them yourself

>>11807126
In the land of the colorblind the normal-eyed man is king.

>>11805654
>According to a psychological study

>NPC dont realize that the "inner voice" they hear is simply 26 digit (instead of 2 digit binary code in computers) code input
Real humans think in neither vocally nor visually but in abstract concepts

>>11807181
Yes, that is why they are based. But in the grand scheme of all things, they are cringe, resulting in a based/cringe superposition

>>11804319
>t. retard
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/synesthesia

>>11806883
To be fair, most (((acclaimed))) classical music is boring af

>>11807735
Bach is awesome. Mozart is pretty good, too.

>>11807735
ah shut up it's a great genre

>>11807735
by triple parentheses what do you mean? I think most acclaimed composers are pretty great.

>>11807754
>>11807752
>>11807742
I'm just being a nigger.

Unless the music in question has a distinct melody, elevated by a unique timbre and coherent rhythm (as in, how the individual parts relate to the whole), I'm not interested. What I hate the most are picaresque "explorations in mood" which plagued the late Romantic period. An example of this, in my opinion, is anything by Mahler. Everything, except for his most famous movements, sound like Dark Souls background music. Also, desu, most of the reason I don't listen to classical is that the pieces are too long. But, on the other hand, Jazz is one of my favorite genres, and some of my favorite Jazz pieces (songs?) are 8 minutes plus.

My favorite albums are Rubber Soul, On the Corner, and Forever Changes, if that helps paint a picture of my overall character

>>11807742
i really hope this is b8

>>11807825
??????

>>11807817
You wouldn't like Brahms, then? I love the few things of his I have.

>>11807817

>Rubber Soul, On the Corner, and Forever Changes
>Not In a silent way, and Odessey & Oracle

>>11805452
not the colorblind ;-)

badum-tiiishh *open another tab to browse Reddit*

>>11807852
Odessey & Oracle is also one of my favorites, but it just doesn't seem to me as full of depth as the ones I posted. It's much more "feel good" music overall. In a Silent Way is also good, but it's a little too "cool" for me.

>>11807817
I don't really like jazz, the most 'jazzy' recording I enjoyed was Headhunters by Herbie Hancock, and some of the Japanese jazz stuff like Naoya Matsuoka (which I only enjoyed a little) and the cowboy bebop ost lul.. Have never listened to On the Corner but Kind of Blue was not my thing. Rubber Soul is a great album for me.
I think you should try some baroque stuff and I would start with Bach's 6 brandenburg concertos all of which are incredible imo. During Bach's period the concerto was a genre of chamber music (rather than the large orchestral + soloist thing it had become by the tiem Mozart shows up) and it tends to have 1 or 2 soloists with great instrumental technical proficiency, which I figure is something you might enjoy about Jazz.
>Unless the music in question has a distinct melody, elevated by a unique timbre and coherent rhythm (as in, how the individual parts relate to the whole)
for me this is somethign I've found lacking in jazz and very present in baroque and classical/early romantic music, but maybe I've listened to the wrong stuff. I've had Bitches Brew on my backlog for a very long time..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HSRIDtwsfM
here's an example of the 2nd brandenburg if you're interested. 3 and 6 are pure strings + harpsichord, 4 adds woodwinds, 5 adds woodwinds and has harpsichord solos, and 1 and 2 add brass.
These pieces are meant to be chamber music, like I said, but many modern recordings/interpretations add huge amounts of strings for that modern 'romantic' effect which doesn't sound as good for these pieces imo.

>>11807868
Patrician taste

>>11807884
On the Corner really falls under the category of "acquired taste." I hated it at first, but there's something about the funkyness of its rhythm juxtaposed with the sparseness of its instrumentation that I find oddly compelling. It sounds like a beat-up stoner van roving the desert highway.


If you want a good introduction to classic jazz, try Blues Walk by Lou Donaldson. It's a very pleasant album that still has some meat on its bones: https://youtu.be/Liy9tw03p1I

Giant steps by John Coltrane is also excellent

He was right. NPC is the word that bugmen are throwing around these days to justify their stupidity

He was wrong. Bugmen is the word that NPCs are throwing around these days to justify their stupidity.

>>11807186
No, he's a leper.

>>11808866
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>>11807052
I'm not even /pol/. Strawmaning of to a good start, NPC.

Thinking in concepts and words aren't mutually exclusive, in fact they co-exist. You can't think verbally without first thinking of a concept. Therefore you're just overcomplicating the thought process. Language is only necessary when communicating with others, or when transcribing your thoughts.

I have a feeling that people who monologue to themselves (like myself, maybe I'm just projecting) are egotists who feel that their thoughts deserve an audience, only they lack a real one.

>>11809027
>Language is only necessary when communicating with others

Absolute nonsense. Language is a means by which concepts are crystalized into tracable signs by which they can be placed under the scrutiny of coherency.
The significance of language in the development of higher human thought is absolutely impossible to underestimate, its short of everything